Author Topic: Holier Than Thou (Read 2291 times)

Mini D · « **Reply #60 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:16:55 AM »

Ban it? who said anything about banning it? I'm not trying to argue about whether or not it's art. I'm trying to point out that what an organization choses to display in front of their buildings says something about the organization... that's why it's there. What this display says about the organization is: "We encourage people to ridicule the papacy."

It's not about it being religious, it's about ridiculing people. It's about a college chosing to show of how willing they are to do it.

Sorry, but this says alot about the person or organization that choses to put it in their front yard... none of it good.

MiniD

lazs2 · « **Reply #61 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:21:39 AM »

I'm not for banning it at all. It don't freighten children. I don't know why I can't have my lawn jockey tho... seems like art to me.

As for the pimp/drug dealer.... are you saying that there is no such thing? even if there weren't..... it's just art right? Just some artists conception of what he sees.
lazs

Tumor · « **Reply #62 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:22:59 AM »

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Again, I'm sure it's exactly how the gun arguments sound to you. And uh... the beat goes on... lada lada lay

Art doesn't kill people... people kill people.

Nash · « **Reply #63 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:31:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
What this display says about the organization is: "We encourage people to ridicule the papacy."

Replace "encourage" with "allow".

In the context of a university there's a huge difference, and I think they're all about that. Sure.

Mini D · « **Reply #64 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:33:25 AM »

No Nash. "Encourage" is the right word when you select a single statue for placement in a courtyard. "Allow" applies when you're displaying everyone's art without exception.

MiniD

midnight Target · « **Reply #65 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:49:10 AM »

Well they know how to deal with stuff like this at Harvard!

http://www.dazereader.com/001180.htm

Nash · « **Reply #66 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:49:38 AM »

And that's exactly why I think you're wrong.

"Monical said artists and art teachers representing Washburn's Campus Beautification Committee picked Boyle's sculpture and four other winners from 90 entries to be displayed as part of the municipal university's eighth annual Outdoor Sculpture Exhibition.

If the dick-Bishop was of obviously better merrit than the ones it beat out, then its exclusion due to its critique of the papacy, in the context of a university, would be I think far more outrageous.

AKIron · « **Reply #67 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:55:15 AM »

Would the same University set up a manger scene (arranged tastefully artistically) at Christmas? Or would that be considered too offensive?

Mini D · « **Reply #68 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:58:53 AM »

Sorry nash... they picked it for display in the courtyard. That is both encouraging and rewarding... not simply allowing. Once again, what the college displays in their courtyard says something about the college... what they allow as entries into an art contest does not.

The college has made a statement... and I doubt it would be defended if it were satiricle toward other groups of people. It's just that right now the diacy is the in group to make fun of. But please don't try to play it off as "just art". The second the college placed it in their courtyard it moved from being art to being a statement.

MiniD

Nash · « **Reply #69 on:** October 05, 2003, 12:02:22 PM »

I may be critical of university art majors, but subject matter aside, it's not common to see an art student display the kind of technical ability that the dick-Bishop has. It probably stood out like a sore thumb, far and away more developed than the work that it was judged beside.

If a manger scene was submitted and possesed the same thing, I don't have a single doubt that it would also have been included. None, really.

Nash · « **Reply #70 on:** October 05, 2003, 12:14:48 PM »

Well, then I just disagree deja.

To encourage work like the dick-Bishop would be to pull it out of a class project and, without precedent, put it on public display. To allow work like the dick-Bishop would be to include it among the other winners if it merited that. Subject matter is of course subjective...

So it was a contest of sorts. To disallow someone's art due to subject matter alone, would have been stupifying to the people that actually participate in art's development...

Now, it's merely stupifying to the people who's only participation in the art world occurs when they voice their displeasure or can score political points off of same... and I don't think that should rise to the same level of consideration.

Public funds and display at the city hall is a whole nuther ball 'o wax, with its own set of criteria and realities... This aint that.

SOB · « **Reply #71 on:** October 05, 2003, 12:34:33 PM »

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Monical said artists and art teachers representing Washburn's Campus Beautification Committee picked Boyle's sculpture and four other winners from 90 entries to be displayed as part of the municipal university's eighth annual Outdoor Sculpture Exhibition.

The sculptures are on loan to the university and should remain on display until July, Monical said. He said no one involved in picking the sculptures intended to cause anyone pain.

Mini, you can choose to think of the university whatever you want on the basis of this art being in the front lawn. The fact remains that this is an annual contest, and every year the winners have their art displayed. This guy's art was one of the winners this year, and as a result his art was displayed. Unless you think the administration should start choosing which of the winners are politically correct and non-contriversial enough to be placed on their lawn, I don't see how you can associate any perceived message behind the art with the institution.

Nash · « **Reply #72 on:** October 05, 2003, 12:43:50 PM »

"I've gotta agree with Nash on this one... " - SOB

Gee... ya make it sound like that's either highly unusual or is tantamount to gettin' your teeth pulled or something. SOB, baby, I thought we had something good going... Where did we go wrong?

SOB · « **Reply #73 on:** October 05, 2003, 12:49:29 PM »

LOL, don't get all sensitive honey, it didn't mean a thing!

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #74 on:** October 05, 2003, 02:40:38 PM »

Still waiting for the outrage from the left over this bigoted depiction of a stereotype of a historically persecuted group. Saburo, MT, etc., where are ya?