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NiteF1yr

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Observations on Scoring Kills
« on: December 06, 1999, 08:55:00 PM »
I'd like to pass on a couple of observations I have made in the past few days about scoring kills, or the lack of. I'm not complaining, not to much anyway, but since HTC actually reads its forums and acts on the info provided in them, I thought this would be a chance to voice your thoughts on the current way kills are being awarded.

Last night f6 was without ack and being vultched by one enemy. I thought this looked like it would be a fun time so I hopped in a niki and ran straight now the runway. I got vulched and the attacker was awarded the kill. Good so far. I replaned and fired up the niki again. This time I wasn't going to be as easy a target as last time so as soon as I powered up I hit full rudder and turned off the runway. I checked my 6 view to see where the enemy was and decided my turn on the runway worked. I went back to front view just in time to read the graffiti on the wall of the building I was about to hit. I of course died instantly and was feeling a bit foolish. What I didn't understand was when I died the enemy was awarded the kill even though he had never fired a shot at me. It wasn't a big deal really, I thought about it and figured it must be some code to prevent pilots from augering to avoid awarding someone a kill. So, it appears to me that if you do something dumb and auger even though you aren't in a fight at the moment,nor have you been pinged at all, the nearest enemy is going to get the kill whether he deserves it or not. I was on the receiving end as well later on. I was flying low near ammo dump or something with ack when enemy flew to close and ack killed him. I was awarded the kill but I never even shot at the guy.

In a later sortie over f1 I completely shot the tail off of a F4U. We both had some alt so he didn't bail right away. After shooting the F4 I banked left right into a hail storm of tracers and was killed. I must have taken one between the eyes. Well since I was now dead but the F4U pilot had not bailed yet, I did not get the kill even though there was no doubt he was a gonner and there was no doubt I was the one who killed him.

One last item which prompted me to write this. Tonight I blasted the right wing off yet another F4U. I was to close and flew through what was left of the plane and got myself killed. Well guess what, I died right away and the F4U pilot was falling to earth in a plane with no wings but the F4U pilot was awarded a kill for me plowing into him and I of course got none.  

So guys, what do you think about the current awarding of kills? I look forward to your replies.

Nite

AE71 atrox

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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 1999, 09:05:00 PM »
I've had similar experences.  I've been killed by Ack and someone near by but who had not even been in a position to shoot at me got the kill credit.

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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 1999, 09:28:00 PM »
I think the ack kills fall under the category of maneuver kills.  I was waxing the tail of an enemy plane and he flew into the ground trying to avoid me I'd expext credit.  This happened in WW2 while I reading Bud Anderson's book I found out he became an ace without firing a shot he got on the 6 of an enemy and the guy just hit the silk before he could fire a shot.  Similar situation with the acks, if you're in a dogfight and you drag the bandit into friendly fire you out maneuvered him, at least to some extend.  
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 1999, 06:43:00 AM »
I don't think the scoring and who gets credit for particular kills has been ironed out yet.  I see alot of strange things.

I blew the wing off on a F4u and turned away knowing it was a goner.  Another pilot behind me shot at it not knowing it was dead.  That pilot ended up getting the kill.  Ah!  No big deal.  Bottom line was the Bish was DEAD!!  That's all that counts.

AH  probably has these things to improve so Im sure it will get better!

In the mean time just keep flying and killin!

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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 1999, 08:20:00 AM »
 How about implementing the scoring the way it happend in real life? You fly your mission and then report how many enemy planes you think you have killed (guncamera helps here).
 That will surely result in the number of kills much exceeding the number of sorties...
 I recal reading the memoirs of E. Manstein - russians reported destroying scores of his tanks in certain operations where he did not have a single tank under his command.

 My point is, the historical scoring was full of confusion and errors. I bet the current AH or WB system is closer to the truth despite all its drawbacks.

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 1999, 11:21:00 AM »
The only that has ever bothered me is when both planes go down and only one kill is awarded. Usually this occurs on HO's but on more than one occasion I've been chewed up after taking the wing off a buff. I've had it go both ways on me but never understood why a kill is awarded to one person and not another...this is not to be confused with being KIA...either still in the plane or bailing when other guy has already hit silk.

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 1999, 12:43:00 PM »
Uhh, realistic way, I wouldn't get too much confirmed kills when I do fly alone  
(no witnesses...)

But little tweaking into scoring system would be welcome.. I hate it when someone has already left target like 5 minutes ago and running home, then I shoot the guys wing off and kill him, the other guy gets the kill even though he did not even harm enemy even close enough to kill him.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 1999, 12:59:00 PM »
 This looks like another catch 22 to me. If you hit the ground first the other guy gets the kill message but you dont. How ever it does show up on your score. However for the score to mean anything you have to buff. Its like there tring to squeeze any interest in scoreing out of the fighter pilots.

 As to ack kills being awarded to pilots. Im guessing this was done to discourage vultching of fields. The problem is it encourges ack hugging. I would much rather see the ball moved onto the field of play. Manuver kills are BS anyway. Ive fought very hard to get a kill. His buddys show up, get a pilot kill and I dont even get a message for my hard work. And at the same time I get kills for dweebs that spin out when I just happen to be in the area. This is absurd. Scoreing is fundamental to any game.