Author Topic: First overt Israeli military action vs. Syrian territory 2 decades (Read 2267 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #60 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:37:50 PM »

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What the hell? I don't have any policies. Just trying to see where this is all headed and what might be the path of least resistance or bloodshed.

Least resistancs? Least bloodhed? Do you think these people will just let the israeli army simply herd them into cattle cars for a comy trip? Would any people do that after WW2 or Bosnia? It would be a bloodbath....

You obviously havent thought this through...

Thrawn · « **Reply #61 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:41:11 PM »

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My question Thrawn was "isn't that what the Palestinians are trying to do to the Israelis?" Ethnically Cleansing them from their claimed land? And they are resorting to terrorist activity to do it. Are you denying this?

No, it is what some Palasinians are tyring to do. Others are doing it for retribution, others to try and force the settlers out of thier land. But by far, the vast majority of Palastinians aren't blowing themselves up at all.

AKIron · « **Reply #62 on:** October 05, 2003, 11:47:33 PM »

I don't think you've considered the full impact of what a no holds barred war in the middle east might be like. By the time it's over the Palestinians may be more than willing to move a few miles from where they are. If there are any left.

If you look at my first post you'll see I'm only speculating about what may be motivating their current actions. And yeah, I'm not hiding my lack of sympathy for the murderous Palestinians.

Please tell me why the Palestinians are so intent on the ethnic cleansing of their lands and how it's justified?

Thrawn · « **Reply #63 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:08:55 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Please tell me why the Palestinians are so intent on the ethnic cleansing of their lands and how it's justified?

Geez, I thought you caught my drift in my last post. Using the generalisation "the Palastinians" is rediculous. It implies that all the Palastinians on intent on enthically cleasin their lands. Can you prove this is the case?

JBA · « **Reply #64 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:10:22 AM »

I didn't bother reading any further the the post title, and I'll say It's about time.

AKIron · « **Reply #65 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:16:29 AM »

Maybe our media is so right wing that they intentionally fail to show all the anti-terrorism rallies in Palestine? Or detail the actions taken by the Palestinian leadership and police force in curtailing the continual mass murders? Not the Palestinian police force that occasionally conducts firefights with the Israelis, the one you're refering to. Or how about all the interviews we're missing where the average Palestinian reveals how revolted they are at all the unncessary bloodshed. Maybe I'm watching the wrong stations, maybe they're only on Al Jazeera?

icemaw · « **Reply #66 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:26:44 AM »

Well if it was indeed a terrorist camp. I hope they all died painfull fiery deaths that lasted a long time.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #67 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:33:08 AM »

Why dont the israelis expell all palestenians?

Lazerus · « **Reply #68 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:33:28 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
It would all be over in less than one hour....

Sounds like a plan, I'm tired of hearing about it.

Thrawn · « **Reply #69 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:28:01 AM »

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Maybe our media is so right wing that they intentionally fail to show all the anti-terrorism rallies in Palestine?

Maybe they don't. However, the implication of you statement is interesting. Because the Palastians don't have anti-terrorism rallies they are all for terrorism? Remember my issue was with the all inclusive, "the Palastinians".

Strangely enough you have still yet to proved proof that substantiates you statement that they all wish to ethnically cleanse their land.

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Or detail the actions taken by the Palestinian leadership and police force in curtailing the continual mass murders?

Ah, so because the Palastinian leadership gives tacit, if not outright, support of terrorism, all the Palastinians support terrorism. Kind of like, how because the the US goverment were for the war in Iraq, all American citizens were. Of course, they weren't.

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Not the Palestinian police force that occasionally conducts firefights with the Israelis, the one you're refering to.

Are you saying that the Palastinian Authority has firefights with the IDF? Can you please provide a source documenting this, because it's news to me. If they occure, do they occur do they occur in Isreal, or is it when the IDF invades the West Bank and Gaza strip. If that is the case I don't see how defending you country from an armed invasion can be considered terrorism.

What's more are all Palastinians are part of this force, or some?

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Or how about all the interviews we're missing where the average Palestinian reveals how revolted they are at all the unncessary bloodshed.

Great, now we are getting somewhere. The average Palastian is much different that all the Palastinians.

Of course we don't protest marches in the US against the war in Iraq anymore either, does that mean that all Americans are for the war? Of course not.

Enthic cleasing by relocation is immoral. It's immoral because it's a trial in abstentia of every Palastinian for this simple crime of being born Palastinian. Not for any actual action, not even for their actual thoughts and feelings, which of course isn't a crime anyway. And this is why generalisation is so very dangerous.

Not to worry though it won't happen. It won't happen because the Israel people wouldn't let it happen.

PS: Grunherz, it's very disconcerting being on the same side of an issue with you. Please switch.

Tuomio · « **Reply #70 on:** October 06, 2003, 03:05:10 AM »

But what is the average Israeli women and children right to be clear of suicide bombings? If you cant hold your citizens away from suicide bombings, then you dont have right to have country. Israelis should do cleansing operation in Palestinia. Mobilize all forces and kill everyone that lives within 10 meters of explosive material. Thats how it has worked previously and how war works generally, you wannabe partisan, then die like one. 10 000 of Africans starve to death every month, life is tough, people die you know. Better be on the winners side. Morality is for peacetime, if you want to have perfect moral and wage war, then you should destroy all your weapons and ***** slap your opponents.

I understand Isrealis standpoint completely, they have right to end this thing fast, its been already been on for tens of years. Every peaceful solution that is within any reasonable limits has been tried atleast twice. Enough is enough. Yeah i am a nazi, there is no difference between outright slaughter and gassing few million people because they are jews.

straffo · « **Reply #71 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:37:51 AM »

Strangely I agree with GRUN ...

Don't you think you are slowly becoming an Euro***** ?
Prepare to be assimilated

-tronski- · « **Reply #72 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:43:01 AM »

I'm hoping being on the same side of an argument with Grunherz is a temporary thing that will quickly pass.....God I hope so...

Tronsky

straffo · « **Reply #73 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:30:22 AM »

Well I find the idea of a nuclear vitrification of the area seducing

Imagine : doing ice skating with a bright sun ... it would be pretty attractive for the tourists ... (I admit the radiation can be a problem at first )

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #74 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:46:00 AM »

My fantasy anti-communist ravings aside, I dont like genocide type solutions or any of it's cousins such forced mass expulsions and resettlements. Really I thought that decent people learned how bad all that was with the last century oh Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot or Milosevic or even after 911, an event of that magnitude considering some 25,000+ civilians were targeted for death..

I guess I was wrong...