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« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2003, 04:44:49 AM »
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Dune I couldn't find numbers for firearm kills; Only all kills.
Staga - here you go. You might find more information from this site.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/weapons.htm

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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2003, 05:05:16 AM »
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mora... I could be wrong... what I am thinking about is the semi legalization of drugs like heroin in england say and the experiments with needle parks in, was it your country?   Parks where addicts could shoot up unmolested by the police.

So... drug use has not gone up in Finland?  I really don't know.  Pot use has not gone up?  what is the incidence of pot use there compared to other countries?   How bout hard drugs?  
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No it's definately not legal here and no needle parks either.  Drug use here is small compared to other western countries but on the rise. I think the problem with that needle park in Vienna was that there was suddenly 10,000 junkies in the middle of the city, not exactly a tourist attraction.
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2003, 06:42:02 AM »
hmmm I live in a town that was in the news 20 years ago because of a law that was passed here. Kennesaw Ga decided it should be a law that all of its citizens should own some type of firearm. The law was passed as a counter point to some towns that had passed a no firearm law.

The law was rescinded around 10 years ago, only because the towns people felt it was your personal right to decide.

Crime rate is still at less than 2% and there hasnt been a murder here since the law was passed.....criminals dont like kennesaw --the odds of getting shot for their crime is greater than most places so they keep on moving to the towns they know liberal anti-guners live...

Thank you liberals, my children can walk around our town without fear......:)

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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2003, 09:16:31 AM »
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well.... yes sandman... most of the recovering and recovered addicts I know (and it is a considerable amount because of things like AA)  feel that the drug war is a good idea... course... they all started with a predispossition and so any exposure set them/us off.


Supporting a losing war that has only made crimminals rich and caused a surge in violent crime suggests that these people have done more damage to their brains than they even realise.
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2003, 10:09:29 AM »
Laws will not reduce violent crime as much as education and better media can.

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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2003, 10:11:16 AM »
curval... I have seen it from both sides and at the source..  I am not sure that supporting the drug war or not supprting it are a simple thing.  

I would be interested in how you would handle the problem since your brain is undamaged.
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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2003, 12:17:17 PM »
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curval... I have seen it from both sides and at the source..  I am not sure that supporting the drug war or not supprting it are a simple thing.  

I would be interested in how you would handle the problem since your brain is undamaged.
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First let me preface any remarks by saying I am in this thread now to talk to lazs about the drug war.  That's it.

Now, as to the above quote:

My brain is far from undamaged.  I may not have been dealing crystal meth with bike gangs, but I can safley say I have seen quite a bit of the ugly underbelly of the drug trade.  

I'm really quite surprised at your support of, or even indifference to, the whole drug war issue lazs.  The bottom line is that drugs are illegal.  Why?  Don't answer that it is funneling money to drug lords or terrorists...they all came AFTER the drugs were made illegal.  Why are they illegal from the outset?

If you boil it down there is only one reason.  It is governments waggling their fingers at their respective people and saying "This stuff is BAD for you."  It is one more attack on a human beings ability to be free to do what he/she wants to do with their bodies.  

What you don't see are those same governments having people standing outside Kentucky Fried Chicken outlets and saying "Don't go in there...that stuff is bad for you."

Now...having made these drugs illegal the same govenments have made the entire business a most profitable venture.

The example of alcohol prohibition in the United States is one example of the failure of such a policy of making something illegal based upon moral and health concerns.

I face the ramifications of the War on Drugs every single day.  The cost of doing business..legitimate business..has soared worldwide to prevent criminals from using their ill-got funds.

Our company alone is considering requesting a retainer, almost equal to the retainer required to incorporate a company, to simply open a bank account for our clients.  KYC and Due Diligence has led to situations in which compliance departments are actually running the financial institutions.  

My solution...Make the drugs legal, save the billions on enforcement of this drug war and instead put it towards education and rehabiliation.  You will, at the same time, save additional billions within the financial services industry.

Unfortunaely though, this is but a pipe dream.  Why?  Because the drug lords, mafia, triads etc have a massive vested interest in seeing this useless war on drugs continue.  They NEED to keep drugs illegal, otherwise they are out of business.
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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2003, 04:27:40 PM »
Not to mention the vast amount of our government that relies on this to keep their jobs and the money that is funneled into the governments pockets "privately" by the very people they are fighting.....can you say "bribes"?