Things Bush Can't Find

[Saurdaukar]

This is a really bad troll.

[Toad]

Obviously hard to find people with perspective too.

From Kay's unclassified portion of the report:

Why are we having such difficulty in finding weapons or in reaching a confident conclusion that they do not exist or that they once existed but have been removed? Our search efforts are being hindered by six principal factors:

1. From birth, all of Iraq's WMD activities were highly compartmentalized within a regime that ruled and kept its secrets through fear and terror and with deception and denial built into each program;

2. Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post conflict;

3. Post-OIF looting destroyed or dispersed important and easily collectable material and forensic evidence concerning Iraq's WMD program. As the report covers in detail, significant elements of this looting were carried out in a systematic and deliberate manner, with the clear aim of concealing pre-OIF activities of Saddam's regime;

4. Some WMD personnel crossed borders in the pre/trans conflict period and may have taken evidence and even weapons-related materials with them;

5. Any actual WMD weapons or material is likely to be small in relation to the total conventional armaments footprint and difficult to near impossible to identify with normal search procedures. It is important to keep in mind that even the bulkiest materials we are searching for, in the quantities we would expect to find, can be concealed in spaces not much larger than a two car garage;

6. The environment in Iraq remains far from permissive for our activities, with many Iraqis that we talk to reporting threats and overt acts of intimidation and our own personnel being the subject of threats and attacks. In September alone we have had three attacks on ISG facilities or teams: The ISG base in Irbil was bombed and four staff injured, two very seriously; a two person team had their vehicle blocked by gunmen and only escaped by firing back through their own windshield; and on Wednesday, 24 September, the ISG Headquarters in Baghdad again was subject to mortar attack...


...For example, there are approximately 130 known Iraqi Ammunition Storage Points (ASP), many of which exceed 50 square miles in size and hold an estimated 600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordinance. Of these 130 ASPs, approximately 120 still remain unexamined.

As Iraqi practice was not to mark much of their chemical ordinance and to store it at the same ASPs that held conventional rounds, the size of the required search effort is enormous.

[muckmaw]

WMD Programs existed, and are being uncovered as we speak. See toads post above.

The economy is improving. No thanks to GWB or any president. It merely follows the business cycle. See JBA's post.

[texace]

My grandfather brought up a good point concerning the WMD. Didn't someone not too long ago discover a fully intact MiG buried in the desert somewhere?

His belief is that they WMD have been buried in the giant sandbox that is Iraq, and until someone comes forward to say "Dig right here" we'll never locate them.

That or they've been moved to Syria.

[k2cok]

These are the facts presented by Colin Powell to the U.N. prior to the war.

"26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents, almost 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents, several mobile biological-weapons labs, an advanced nuclear-weapons development program, a design for a nuclear weapon, and a program to enrich uranium."

500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents alone is 1,000,000 lbs of materials-I hardly doubt that would fit into a "two car garage" Toad.

[Rude]

Originally posted by k2cok
These are the facts presented by Colin Powell to the U.N. prior to the war.

 

500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents alone is 1,000,000 lbs of materials-I hardly doubt that would fit into a "two car garage" Toad.

Al Gore shoulda won....he got robbed.

Yup...that Bush is a bad man.

[FUNKED1]

I like threads like this because it gets them all in one place, makes it easy to update the ignore list.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by k2cok
These are the facts presented by Colin Powell to the U.N. prior to the war.

 

500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents alone is 1,000,000 lbs of materials-I hardly doubt that would fit into a "two car garage" Toad.

How hard would it be to hide any or all of this material in one of the 120 unexamined Weapons Depots, some of which are 50 square miles  in size?

How much of this material has degraded over the course of the past 10 years?

Is it possible, that a country that had managed to bury an entire air force in the sand, could do so with 55 gallon drums?

If no WMDs existed, and GWB is a liar, why did so many Democrats including such luminaries as Tom Daschle and Hillary Clinton go on record to say how they IRAQi's WMD's posed a great risk to the world?

Answers would be appreciated. Save the cartoons and sock puppets for the DNC.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by k2cok
500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents alone is 1,000,000 lbs of materials-I hardly doubt that would fit into a "two car garage" Toad.

Assuming a density near that of water, 500 tons would be 500 cubic meters.

500 cubic meters could be a stack 3 meters high, 13 meters wide and 13 meters long.

This amount would fill a 2000 sq ft home, or about 5 - 2 car garages.  

I could very easily hide a 2000 square foot home in Los Angeles, let alone the entire state of Califoronia.

[Drunky]

Originally posted by Horn
Nor have you if you think there is a single positive thing going on in the economy.

As an example, Denver area has seen a 46% increase in homeowner foreclosures over last year. Really great.

h

Okay.  That is just plain stupid.

If you really believe that any president in office has a truly significant effect on the economy RIGHT NOW then you are pretty much asinine.  Never mind the other outside factors that the president can't control.

I suppose you also believe that Clinton was responsible for the great economy that Bush has "ruined"?  It doesn't have anything to do with the dot.com business and wall street?

[muckmaw]

Good post, Holden.

Oh, wait...courtesy of JBA:

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show the Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorist, including al-Qaida members . It is clear, however, that if left unchecked. Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” Sen. Hillary Clinton D-NY Oct 10, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years… WE also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in developing of weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D- W.VA. Oct 10, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Ted Kennedy D-mass 2002

“We urge you, after consulting with congress and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspected Iraq sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs” Letter to Clinton, signed by Sen. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct, 9 1998


How's that?

I've got more.

[Drunky]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
I like threads like this because it gets them all in one place, makes it easy to update the ignore list.

LOL...you go funked

[Toad]

Originally posted by k2cok
These are the facts presented by Colin Powell to the U.N. prior to the war.

 

500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents alone is 1,000,000 lbs of materials-I hardly doubt that would fit into a "two car garage" Toad.

Oh, absolutely, K2!

You should immediately call Kay and share your observations with him and point out to him that he's an incompetent fool and, totally unlike yourself, he doesn't have any idea what it takes to search Iraq for WMD.

Tell him you've got it all figured out and explain to him all the things he doesn't know about the subject that you know and have proven beyond all shadow of a doubt.

Oh, and call him names and stuff, too.  That'll help cower him and show your dominance.

A grateful nation awaits the performance of this service by you!

Go to it lad!

[Horn]

Do you even bother to read what you posted?

Originally posted by JBA
Ya you're right "no" good Economic news.

"When you look at the overall picture, it seems like it's following a script of a slow comeback," said David Littmann, chief economist with Comerica Bank in Detroit. "One where employment is going to grow, but not nearly as fast as the (number of) job seekers who are looking, so the unemployment rate is going to remain at current high levels through March."

And though factories shed workers for a 38th straight month, pink slips slowed. Manufacturing payrolls declined by 29,000 in September, the fewest since July 2002.

Oh yeah, kickin prettythang.

The government also has been trimming its payrolls, eliminating 15,000 positions in September, its seventh straight monthly decline.

"Littmann said the labor market seems to have found its bottom and is now entering a period where monthly payrolls seesaw back and forth between positive and negative territory.

More good news! Even the Government is laying off?

"It's like "prisoners under torture being relieved at the slightest removal of pain," said Russell Sheldon, managing director of the Bank of Montreal. "This was just barely better than being poked in the eye by a small stick, but it went over well.""

A nice way of putting it....

He notes the creation of 57,000 jobs isn't that large when compared with the overall job market.

"100,000 jobs is just one-tenth of 1% of the work force," Sheldon said. "This increase was barely visible and it comes after a long string of declines."

Whooohoo! Real progress!

But, "You need that well above 50%," Sheldon said. "We did have some gains, but they're still too narrowly based to get excited about. It's coming, but it isn't here yet."

Also, average hourly earnings edged 0.1% lower in September, the first drop in over 14 years.

More glowing news.

"The wage numbers were pretty spectacularly bad," Sheldon said. "There was no income created here. The jobs barely rose, the workweek is pretty steady and the amount of pay dropped, so we're still in cost-cutting mode in this report."

Yeehaa.

"A lot of it was temporary help, but at least it was a plus," Sheldon said. "We seem to be turning the corner.

"Our theory is that the economy is strong and will blossom in the next few months, but this didn't prove it," he added. "If this is the first step, it was a baby step. We hope to see more and soon."

Companies are waiting to make sure that the increased demand is here to stay before they add jobs.

Sounds like they are waiting to see if that light at the end of the tunnel isn't a train.

Utilities in the S&P 500 are expected to post third-quarter profits down 4% from a year earlier.

Telecommunications firms' profits are expected to drop 5%, while the basic materials sector is forecast to see earnings dip 1%.

In the second quarter, revenue among S&P 500 firms rose 7.4%, down from 9.9% in Q1. But excluding energy and the weak dollar, sales growth was tepid.

Wow. Tech stocks are up--but utilities are down.

Thanks for making my point.

h

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Horn
"100,000 jobs is just one-tenth of 1% of the work force," Sheldon said. "This increase was barely visible and it comes after a long string of declines."

Whooohoo! Real progress!

I suppose that if you were in an aircraft in a steep compression dive from thirty thousand feet, and you pulled out just five feet above the surface, you would still be terrified until you regained your original altitude...