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Offline JBA

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128 million vs 40 million
« on: October 08, 2003, 02:31:02 PM »
45% of US thinks media is to liberal
14% say to conservative

128 million people can't be wrong.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr031008.asp
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Re: 128 million vs 40 million
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2003, 02:36:30 PM »
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128 million people can't be wrong.


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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2003, 02:53:10 PM »
JBA: 128 million people can't be wrong.

 There could hardly be a more liberal kind of statement that this. It's a liberal doctrine in a nutshell.

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2003, 02:57:20 PM »
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JBA: 128 million people can't be wrong.

 There could hardly be a more liberal kind of statement that this. It's a liberal doctrine in a nutshell.

 miko


I think you may be prone to too much extrapolation miko.

Not always but when most people believe something it's often true. In this case, the 128 million weren't stating fact but rather their opinion.
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Re: 128 million vs 40 million
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2003, 03:12:23 PM »
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45% of US thinks media is to liberal
14% say to conservative

128 million people can't be wrong.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr031008.asp



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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2003, 03:20:34 PM »
AKIron: I think you may be prone to too much extrapolation miko.
 Not always but when most people believe something it's often true. In this case, the 128 million weren't stating fact but rather their opinion.


 Here are the levels of information ranked by their degree of confidence:

1. A person posting as JBA says (maybe even thinks) that  "128 million people of US thinks media is to liberal". That's a fact.
 
2. "128 million people of US say they think media is to liberal". That is very likely - I doub JBA made that up. I've not asked those people and doubt anyone actually asked all but likely extrapolated from a smaller sample. Nobody asked me or my wife. But I would generally agree with the truth of that statement.

3. "128 million people of US think media is to liberal". Probably. The people in the sample could have lied about what they were thinking. But I doubt it.

 So I do not have any problem with that opinion and actually believe myself that the US media is mostly liberal-socialist and about 99% socialist if you count in the righ-wing socialists.

 What I have problem with is the statement like "128 million people can't be wrong." or "(Overwhelming) Majority can't be wrong" or "when most people believe something it's often true".

 It is patently groundless as a general kind of statement. Those people may be right in this particular case but there is nothing in any theory that would make majority correct and historical experience shows that majority is usually wrong.

 Truth is not determined by voting. Claim otherwise is the main basis for collectivism, socialism, liberalism, etc. That's all I wanted to say.

 miko

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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2003, 03:33:57 PM »
We are talking about a poll asking if people thought the media were too liberal or conservative. The question is by nature asking for an opinion and is not an attempt to determine truth as this truth is relative to what people believe. Therefore in this case, what the majority of people believe constitute the truth and in fact "can't be wrong".
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2003, 04:38:29 PM »
Just proves that the conservative media did their job well.

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2003, 04:40:51 PM »
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Just proves that the conservative media did their job well.


Or the liberal media not well enough.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2003, 04:48:11 PM »
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Or the liberal media not well enough.


Or that only those with IQ's above a certain range recognized the truth... huh miko?

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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2003, 04:50:26 PM »
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Just proves that the conservative media did their job well.


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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2003, 05:44:20 PM »
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Truth is not determined by voting. Claim otherwise is the main basis for collectivism, socialism, liberalism, etc. That's all I wanted to say.

 miko



...and yet the argument breaks down when the religious right attempts to legislate some form of christian belief with reasoning that the majority of americans are christian.


The notion of "if we all agree we must be right" doesn't simply apply to the left.
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2003, 06:24:04 PM »
As each and every one of us is a middle of the road moderate, only making our decisions based on pure logic, anybody to the left is too liberal, and anybody to the right is too conservative.

Political persuasion of others is based on our perception.  

The perception of a strong plurality is that the media leans left, therefore it is true.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2003, 06:27:37 PM »
Well, we are a Republic, a nation based on laws and not mass rule. Still, if most people believe the media is not being objective a new media will replace it. One that can be trusted by the majority, not the minority. The media isn't funded by the government afterall.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2003, 06:36:45 PM »
I blame Clinton
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(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)