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« on: October 08, 2003, 05:43:15 PM »
TONY SNOW: Joining us to determine what the Kay report does and does not say is David Kay (search), the CIA special adviser on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction programs and head of the Iraqi Survey Group.

Mr. Kay, welcome.

DAVID KAY, CHIEF IRAQ WEAPONS INSPECTOR: Happy to be with you, Tony.

SNOW: Let's take a quick look at some of the headlines from this week characterizing your report. I want to get your reaction to them.

Here we see The New York Times: "No Illicit Arms." The Washington Post: "No Banned Weapons." The Los Angeles Times: "No Illicit Iraqi Arms." USA Today: "No Illegal Weapons."

Is that what you found?

KAY: Well, we certainly found that — have not yet found illicit arms. But that's not the only thing the report says. In fact, I'm sort of amazed at what was powerful information about both their intent and their actual activities that were not known and were hidden from U.N. inspectors seems not to have made it to the press. This is information that, had it been available last year, would have been headline news. (emphasis added - BB)

SNOW: One of the things that you found, for instance, is the Mukhabarat, the secret service, in fact had a vigorous weapons program of its own. Tell us about it.

KAY: Well, we have found right now — and we're still finding them — over two dozen laboratories that were hidden in the Iraqi intelligence service, the Mukhabarat, were not declared to the U.N., had prohibited equipment, and carried on activities that should have been declared.

Now, at the minimum, they kept alive Iraq's capability to produce both biological and chemical weapons. We found assassination tools. So we know that, in fact, they had a prohibited intent to them.

SNOW: You also talk about reference strains of biological agents. What does that mean?

KAY: Well, that's one of the most fascinating stories. An Iraqi scientist in 1993 hid in his own refrigerator reference strains for — active strains, actually would've — were still active when we found them — Botulinum toxin, one of the most toxic elements known.

 
 
He was also asked to hide others, including anthrax. After a couple of days, he turned them back because he said they were too dangerous; he had small children in the house.

This is typical. We now have three cases in which scientists have come forward with equipment, technology, diagrams, documents and, in this case, actual weapons material, reference strains and Botulinum toxin, that they were told to hide and that the U.N. didn't find.

SNOW: You believe that there are similar strains perhaps throughout Iraq right now?

KAY: We're actively searching for at least one more cache of weapons — of strains that we know exists.

SNOW: This is a cache that had been referred to by a scientist. The first bit of information paid off; you're still looking for the second one?

KAY: Exactly.

SNOW: And the second one is a large cache.

KAY: It's much larger. It contains anthrax, and that's one reason we're actively interested in getting it.

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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2003, 05:47:53 PM »
A weapons program is not an imminent threat capable of striking in 45 minutes.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2003, 06:02:16 PM »
Hmm, let's see here....

Lawnchair - check
Keg of beer - check
Beach umbrella - check

Looks like this will be a fun one to watch.  :)

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2003, 06:41:03 PM »
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A weapons program is not an imminent threat capable of striking in 45 minutes.



a scud is.

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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2003, 06:50:32 PM »
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a scud is.


And the scud can be found where?
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2003, 07:05:22 PM »
150 miles left of the Mig that was buried, also buried.

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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2003, 07:08:02 PM »
...and a buried scud threatens whom exactly?
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2003, 07:13:15 PM »
Someone with their head buried in the sand as well, Sandy, Dear.

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2003, 07:15:27 PM »
I'm not privy to Bush's intel so I have no idea where they were, if they had any or if they were burried.  I do however have a pretty sharp long term memory and I difinitely can remember him raining a bunch of those things down on Isreal back in 91.  I also don't remember Bush saying the imminent danger was only to the US.  I'm pretty sure he stressed our allie Isreal too, though I will admit I may be wrong about this and I'm too lazy right now to go look it up.

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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2003, 07:23:23 PM »
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Someone with their head buried in the sand as well, Sandy, Dear.


I see just fine... there's no chimera in the sand. :p
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2003, 07:39:42 PM »
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...and a buried scud threatens whom exactly?


C.H.U.D.s are threathened, and they are part of the coalition of the willing.

Did 1441 mention the word imminent?

I haven't heard any one mention "Material Breach" in quite a while... when did that become a non issue?
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2003, 07:41:59 PM »
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C.H.U.D.s are threathened, and they are part of the coalition of the willing.

Did 1441 mention the word imminent?

I haven't heard any one mention "Material Breach" in quite a while... when did that become a non issue?



1441 doesn't authorize invasion.
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2003, 07:43:29 PM »
It didn't it mention consequences?

That's diplospeak for "or I'll kick your ass"
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2003, 07:53:18 PM »
Sandman, "UN Security Council" is an oxymoron. France ended any hope the SC would be able to enforce 1441. No use following the law if everyone else isn't. Iraq was able to break the law for 12 years, no biggie.

Take your "UN Ball" and go home. Get US out.

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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2003, 07:56:32 PM »
I forgot about that movie :D