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Offline crabofix

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« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2003, 10:41:32 PM »
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Well Sweden!

Better late than never, I always say!


:rofl


Well Actully not that late. A law was already made 1945, that prohibited the use of political Uniforms.

My GreatGrandfather worked for the "Göteborgs handels och Sjöfartstidning" and was a editor there during the wwII. He worked with Torgny Segerstedt, one of the Bigest Anti-Nazis in Sweden. The Newspaper was Anti-Nazi even before the war started. Everyone of the editors was on the "deathlist" that the Nazis had put up for the awaited German occupation.

So you kinda jumping the wrong guy on the Nazisubject.


So, how late are you guys gonna be?
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« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2003, 10:48:33 PM »
Was that law passed ... umm....  maybe 9 May 1945? :lol

We're not gonna ban them; we have this little thing about freedom of expression. Even if it is politically incorrect we'll allow it in most cases.

See, we're not really afraid of folks that wear Nazi uniforms. We figure if they cause much trouble, we know how to deal with that.
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« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2003, 11:01:46 PM »
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Was that law passed ... umm....  maybe 9 May 1945? :lol

We're not gonna ban them; we have this little thing about freedom of expression. Even if it is politically incorrect we'll allow it in most cases.

See, we're not really afraid of folks that wear Nazi uniforms. We figure if they cause much trouble, we know how to deal with that.


The fright was not from people using Nazi-Uniforms as much as the fright for people starting to Use communistic Uniforms. Mao and Stalin made a great impression on the youth here during that time. Cold war begun.

But the law came in hand as soon as the Neonazis started to gather again, in the late 80´s.

No, I can see that the Use of a missinturperated indish symbol, made to a Swedish Family Shield, passed on to Finnish Airforce to hounor him and then adopted By his Brother inlaw to become the most despiced sympol in the world, could make any harm or effect anyone. Freedom of speech and expression, but if you went out naked in public, you would get arrested? ok, what ever..........

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« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2003, 11:08:19 PM »
Huh, this is one odd thread.  

Almost every post in this particular thread was either attacking the history or current state of a country or defending it with all the power of a an animal attacking it's own reflection in a mirror.

Why?!?!

I dont think of myself in terms of being on one side of an imaginary line.  Nor am I responsible for what my fore-fathers and mothers did or didnt do.

If you look in the mirror and see yourself as an American or Canadian or a Croation or an African or a European you need to rethink how you see yourself.

Nationalism is all well and good but not so excessive that it becomes a fault. Digging up old bones from a country's past doesnt help.

Posting a picture of a concentration camp is good though.  We shouldnt forget or hide that stuff. However using such a picture in reference to a group of people is damned wrong.  No one here killed any people at a concentration camp. And being European or German doesnt mean you condone it or are held responsible for it.


Cracking down on other people's heritage to make yourself the lesser of the two evils isn't right.  

Grun smarten up.

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« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2003, 01:15:18 AM »
This will sound harsh and maybe it is.

Perhaps the uniforms don't bother us because we know that should it happen again or even start to happen again, we WILL act again.

Until then an old symbol is just an old symbol; sort of like an old picture.
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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2003, 01:36:53 AM »
But people who wears shirt saying "Bush is terrorist" or something similar gets fired?

Yea, thats what I call freedom of expression.

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« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2003, 01:39:13 AM »
Document that please. There's certainly no federal law against it.
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« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2003, 01:43:40 AM »
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Was that law passed ... umm....  maybe 9 May 1945? :lol

We're not gonna ban them; we have this little thing about freedom of expression. Even if it is politically incorrect we'll allow it in most cases.

I never understood the PC think ... like we said in French : "un chat est un chat" (a cat is a cat) whatever the name you give it ...


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See, we're not really afraid of folks that wear Nazi uniforms. We figure if they cause much trouble, we know how to deal with that.
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Let hope you can.
Btw it's not a question (in my country) of being able to deal with that but more a legal question : it's forbidden not that we try to forget this period.

We do have lot of skeletton like Algeria war and so on we need collectivly to work on ...

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Huh, this is one odd thread.  

Almost every post in this particular thread was either attacking the history or current state of a country or defending it with all the power of a an animal attacking it's own reflection in a mirror.


I do think I've not done that,I'm right ?

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« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2003, 03:17:46 AM »
This is just my opinion

The world has become to soft. Really it has..I say live your life the way you want(or the way your country wants) either way and if one country has a problem with the other. Pick up the gloves and duke it out.Force is the ultimate power

All countries have their high and low points in history, all countries have done bad things and good things who is more "morally" right is Irrellivant

So if you think those girl should or shoudlent of been booted out of school due to their belife or appearence clothing ect dues to some unjustice to them or the state ask yourself this..

Millions are starving,dying homeless you name it.where is your compassion for them? Gonna do something about it? And no if you think giving your .50cents a day to your chairity is not doing something about it..your just bribing them to shut the hell up and leave you alone..

Seems to me that many think kiddies and their scarfs are much more important than the millions dying of hunger and disease.

I dont either I could care less about the millions dying or the kiddies and their scarfs or what germany did early in the century or Japan or the middle east

So what if the Nazi's killed innocent Jews.
I wonder how much innocent people were killed when america dropped the nuclear bombs on Japan.

How many innocents were killed when British/Americans bombed German cities durring the war?

Or how many died when the russians invaded.
You can see where im going with this...

No ones hands are clean.and no ones hands are dirtier than the others

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« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2003, 03:37:14 AM »
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This is just my opinion

The world has become to soft. Really it has..I say live your life the way you want(or the way your country wants) either way and if one country has a problem with the other. Pick up the gloves and duke it out.Force is the ultimate power

All countries have their high and low points in history, all countries have done bad things and good things who is more "morally" right is Irrellivant

So if you think those girl should or shoudlent of been booted out of school due to their belife or appearence clothing ect dues to some unjustice to them or the state ask yourself this..

Millions are starving,dying homeless you name it.where is your compassion for them? Gonna do something about it? And no if you think giving your .50cents a day to your chairity is not doing something about it..your just bribing them to shut the hell up and leave you alone..

Seems to me that many think kiddies and their scarfs are much more important than the millions dying of hunger and disease.

I dont either I could care less about the millions dying or the kiddies and their scarfs or what germany did early in the century or Japan or the middle east

So what if the Nazi's killed innocent Jews.
I wonder how much innocent people were killed when america dropped the nuclear bombs on Japan.

How many innocents were killed when British/Americans bombed German cities durring the war?

Or how many died when the russians invaded.
You can see where im going with this...

No ones hands are clean.and no ones hands are dirtier than the others


     I am in awe of this post.  I didn't think anyone could be this
cynical and naive at the same time.

     I'd like to point out that Germany and Japan both started
their respective wars, so whining about wartime casualties or
comparing them to the Holocaust seems ludicrous.

     I wonder how blase you would be if your family was one of
the ones gassed?  There are definitely greater evils, and claiming
otherwise is very foolish.

     Rino
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« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2003, 05:11:54 AM »
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But people who wears shirt saying "Bush is terrorist" or something similar gets fired?

Yea, thats what I call freedom of expression.


:rofl

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« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2003, 05:15:59 AM »
Sarcap there is a difference between the death camps and the yes terror bombing of the allies.  

On one hand the Nazi policy was strictly aimed at killing the people- wiping out a racial cultural group - that was the means and the end.  The allies saw the bombing as a strategy to end the war - rationale  being to kill industrial workers and demoralize the poulation. The goal here was to end the war as quick as possible so the axis would stop occuying and terroriing the world.

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« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2003, 05:24:50 AM »
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Huh, this is one odd thread.  

Almost every post in this particular thread was either attacking the history or current state of a country or defending it with all the power of a an animal attacking it's own reflection in a mirror.

Why?!?!

I dont think of myself in terms of being on one side of an imaginary line.  Nor am I responsible for what my fore-fathers and mothers did or didnt do.

If you look in the mirror and see yourself as an American or Canadian or a Croation or an African or a European you need to rethink how you see yourself.

Nationalism is all well and good but not so excessive that it becomes a fault. Digging up old bones from a country's past doesnt help.

Posting a picture of a concentration camp is good though.  We shouldnt forget or hide that stuff. However using such a picture in reference to a group of people is damned wrong.  No one here killed any people at a concentration camp. And being European or German doesnt mean you condone it or are held responsible for it.


Cracking down on other people's heritage to make yourself the lesser of the two evils isn't right.  

Grun smarten up.



I agree with everyting you said here.  But seeing as how things went down regarding Iraq and all the shallow moralizing of euro leaders and arrogant protests aginst the cowboy USA I thought it appropriate to point out the fact that European people dont have clean hands either. Because cetainly that was the image they were trying to pass in criticizing the US "warmongering" in Iraq.
Especially whn they said thing invoking Europes old wisdom or such nonsense -  I asked whewre that old wisdom was during ww2 or ww1, or colinal wars or in the yugo civil war, or the holocaust or communism.

So in fact we agree - nobody's hands are clean.

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« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2003, 08:02:58 AM »
Mormons wear holy underwear.

Are the French conducting underwear checks also in ordre to OUT the Mormons?


They just might discovery another underground religious movement much larger than all other religions combined... the Order of the Brown Skids.

I'm sure that will confuse the French and InterPol detectives for years.

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« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2003, 08:07:31 AM »
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I agree with everyting you said here.  But seeing as how things went down regarding Iraq and all the shallow moralizing of euro leaders and arrogant protests aginst the cowboy USA I thought it appropriate to point out the fact that European people dont have clean hands either. Because cetainly that was the image they were trying to pass in criticizing the US "warmongering" in Iraq.
Especially whn they said thing invoking Europes old wisdom or such nonsense -  I asked whewre that old wisdom was during ww2 or ww1, or colinal wars or in the yugo civil war, or the holocaust or communism.

So in fact we agree - nobody's hands are clean.



Now you start talking.
SO you are bashing on to the Euros because we didnt support The attack on IRAQ?
Shallow moralizing and arrogant protests?

Looking on to how the things are developing in the Iraq and the lack of the WMD´s so on, so on, it does´nt seam like the protests where that arrogant.

Even if the people in the USA belive that thier leaders cant do anything wrong, this is way diffrent in country´s like France, Greece and Germany.
To join in a unlegimate attack on a already beaten up country, just because "big daddy"  say they got WMD´s, but no proof, would be political suicide.
The political turbelance in Europe would have been enourmus right now and maybe riots, fall of goverments, etc, etc.

Nato, is still alive, disturbed: yes, but still breathing. But it is dying and the last relic of the cold war is soon gone.
After the fall of the Soviet state and the Warzawa-pact, it is useless to keep it alive. The Cold war is old and soon only a couple of lines in the history books.