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ra · « **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2003, 09:45:43 PM »

MP-34?

Widewing · « **Reply #2 on:** October 11, 2003, 11:18:31 PM »

Looks like a Steyr-Solothurn SI-100, which looks superficially like the MP18-34 series of Schmeiser designed subguns.

My regards,

Widewing

Guppy35 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 12, 2003, 12:19:46 AM »

MP-28 according to my son the weapons expert

Dan/Slack

Widewing · « **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2003, 02:36:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
MP-28 according to my son the weapons expert

Dan/Slack

Here's a Bergmann MP28:

It's very much different in the details.

My regards,

Widewing

crabofix · « **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2003, 03:10:54 PM »

It is for sure a Mp 34(O).

Now, by 1934, the Germans where not allowed to use any other submachinegun then Mp 18/28 (versilletreaty). So it was manufactured for Austria and incorperated into the German defence as Austria was annected by Germany This giving it the (O) Osterreich designation. The development of the gun was made in Swiss, by Solothurn, a German owned company.
The Mag. can be loaded or toped up while still inserted to the gun by stripper clips.
Used By The SS and other Policeforces.

Also called "Bergman", by the Swedes who was one of the countries that used it.
(Edit, It was used by coastdefence, because of the side loaded Mag, who allowed the shooter to get closer towards the ground, not giving away to much siluette.)

Most Bergman Guns where constructed by Schmiesser and Most Schmissers where constructed by Bergman.

This piece is on my wishlist, as well as the "Thompson" with Swedish defenceforces markings.

Widewing · « **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2003, 04:09:20 PM »

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Originally posted by crabofix
It is for sure a Mp 34(O).

Now, by 1934, the Germans where not allowed to use any other submachinegun then Mp 18/28 (versilletreaty). So it was manufactured for Austria and incorperated into the German defence as Austria was annected by Germany This giving it the (O) Osterreich designation. The development of the gun was made in Swiss, by Solothurn, a German owned company.
The Mag. can be loaded or toped up while still inserted to the gun by stripper clips.
Used By The SS and other Policeforces.

Also called "Bergman", by the Swedes who was one of the countries that used it.
(Edit, It was used by coastdefence, because of the side loaded Mag, who allowed the shooter to get closer towards the ground, not giving away to much siluette.)

Most Bergman Guns where constructed by Schmiesser and Most Schmissers where constructed by Bergman.

This piece is on my wishlist, as well as the "Thompson" with Swedish defenceforces markings.

IIRC, this subgun was designed by Rheinmetal, developed by Solothurn and manufactured by Steyr. The only difference between Swiss guns and those used by Germany was the shape of the stock, with the Swiss furniture using a grip very much like that found on the Enfield No.I Mk.III SMLE.

My regards,

Widewing

crabofix · « **Reply #7 on:** October 12, 2003, 04:20:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
IIRC, this subgun was designed by Rheinmetal, developed by Solothurn and manufactured by Steyr. The only difference between Swiss guns and those used by Germany was the shape of the stock, with the Swiss furniture using a grip very much like that found on the Enfield No.I Mk.III SMLE.

My regards,

Widewing

Yes, this Pictured Gun carries the MP34 Furniture, not the Solothurn, wich has no slit for the handdold, as the German gun has.

brady · « **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2003, 08:12:23 PM »

It is, Lanchester.

crabofix · « **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2003, 09:57:22 PM »

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Originally posted by brady
It is, Lanchester.

No I am affraid you are wrong on this Brady.

The Lanchester is a copy of the MP 28/II

This is not a picture of MP28/II or Lanchester.
Theres No Bayonnet lug under the barrel, the stock is wrong, theres no slit to hookup the slide, the magasin is way to short (Lanchester 50 rounds) the barrel does not proceed beyond the outerprotection on Lanc. or MP 28. Yes the frontsight is correct, but thats it.
Its not a MP 34 Bergman Either, cause its mag feed from right hand. (the one sweden used)
It is a MP 34 (0).

Check sources Brady

Widewing · « **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2003, 11:10:18 PM »

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Originally posted by brady
It is, Lanchester.

Brady, your source has mis-identified this weapon. It's most certainly NOT a Lanchester. I have a photo of a Lanchester in front of me and it's VASTLY different.

The Lanchester uses a tubular receiver with a brass magazine housing (painted black), whereas the MP34's is milled from a solid billets of steel. Likewise, the Lanchester used the sight from a No.I SMLE, and a cut down stock from the P-14 rifle (less the milled bolt relief notch). The design is nothing more than a copy of the MP28. Oddly, it was fitted with a bayonet lug for the long SMLE bayonet, which was nearly as long as the subgun.

My regards,

Widewing

crabofix · « **Reply #11 on:** October 12, 2003, 11:29:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
Oddly, it was fitted with a bayonet lug for the long SMLE bayonet, which was nearly as long as the subgun.

Not that odd, really, the Lanchester was used By the English navy. The navy likes long bayonnets.

The Lanchester was In use until the 60´s and after the war the brass was polished shinny, like all navybrass stuff.

brady · « **Reply #12 on:** October 12, 2003, 11:44:32 PM »

My Apoligises, indead:

It is, SI-100:)

My Original source was incorect, clearly show in my coppy of Sub-Machine Guns Automatic Riffles by Peter Chamberlin and Tery Gardner, is proof posative that it is, SI-100.