Author Topic: DC sniper lawyers are the real criminals (Read 1054 times)

gofaster · « **Reply #15 on:** October 14, 2003, 08:17:32 AM »

I would guess that a lot of the cost is due to the fact that the investigation involved crime scenes in 3 different states, plus investigations in Jamaica and Bermuda. That's a lot of travel expenses and hotel bills.

Dune · « **Reply #16 on:** October 14, 2003, 08:26:53 AM »

Why is it so expensive? Because sometimes law enforcement gets the wrong person. Think Richard Jewel.

Fishu · « **Reply #17 on:** October 14, 2003, 08:33:02 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Fishu shouldnt you be suprised that the evil forces in the USA you are complaining about just havent abolished the US legal sytem and had these two obviously guilty men shot on sight?

leave your nationalistic bull**** away from this, thank you and good bye.

Sikboy · « **Reply #18 on:** October 14, 2003, 09:09:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
What a frustrating thing for the taxpayer.

I don't mind. Really. Out of all the crap I pay taxes on, this doesn't bother me in the least (now, the new TVs in the "Comuuter Stores", well... ). But if there were ever two guys I want to have a fair trial, it's these two. I don't want anything about this trial coming back to bite me in the ass. Take all the time and money you need. Give those two nutcases the best defense you can. They are still going to lose, and if everyone does their job, they won't have grounds for an appeal (not that this would stop them from filing one, but I digress).

-Sik

Mini D · « **Reply #19 on:** October 14, 2003, 09:11:49 AM »

Court appointed lawyers and public defenders are not the same thing.

As for why this case is so expensive.... it covers 5 states on the east coast, 1 state on the west coast, involves thousands of officer's testimony, hundreds of witness testimonies, and litterally rooms full of paperwork. The ammount of people needed and the amount of travel needed has got to be imense.

When these two guys are getting lethal injections, no Americans will be able to use "they didn't have a proper defense" as an excuse for the sentance.

MiniD

AKIron · « **Reply #20 on:** October 14, 2003, 09:14:52 AM »

They should just drop 'em in a pool of water. If they float to the surface they should be burned. Oh yeah, the snipers too.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #21 on:** October 14, 2003, 09:47:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Mini D

When these two guys are getting lethal injections, no Americans will be able to use "they didn't have a proper defense" as an excuse for the sentance.

MiniD

Except Je$$e Jackson, Al $harpton and the ACLU...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #22 on:** October 14, 2003, 11:06:38 AM »

Hey Fishu about your post, I am actually surprised that you at laeast didn't give this country a WTG on our laws even extending to the fcat that we give people accused of such crimes with so much evidence against them a fair chance at quality legal defense counsel... My percetiopn has been that you are not excatly quiet when you have some criticizms of the USA but when we do something good you are not as happy to say so.

Fishu · « **Reply #23 on:** October 14, 2003, 11:16:18 AM »

Grunherz,

I don't understand why you always think it's criticism against US if I'm saying or wondering something.

Look, you brainless ****, I have some good friends over the net in US, so I don't have any need to be constantly critisizing EVERYTHING possible in US.
So excuse me my amazement on that why their lawyers are able to spend so much money, I don't understand how you can turn that into politics.

Now get off my back and get a grip and stop assuming more than you need to.
This is getting really old from you.
If you don't, I assume it's your way of getting your kicks and if so, you'd deserve to be ignored for good due to nothing good coming out from your direction.

Mini D · « **Reply #24 on:** October 14, 2003, 12:07:32 PM »

Fishu,

I'll say this very carefully so you can understand and then you'll have to figure out wether you're here because you're simply fond of critiquing America or you really want to know the answer to your question:

A court appoints an attourney to defend people in capital crimes when no other lawyers step forward to take the case. There are fixed rates that are billed based on hours spent on the case and the number of people working on it. The defense is obligated to review all of the evidence in order to offer up the best defense possible. That means they have to review the notes of police officers, the notes of FBI agents, every form filled out whenever someone took a phone call pertaining to the murders, interview as many people involved as possible and review all the evidence. Stop and think about how many murders were committed, how many police officers were involved, how many FBI agents were involved, how many different locations these crimes occured at, how many different pieces of evidence there were and generally how much is involved with this case. That takes resources to research properly. Those resources cost money. It really is that simple.

MiniD

SaburoS · « **Reply #25 on:** October 14, 2003, 12:41:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Well... unless they get the death penalty... a lifetime of incarceration is going to be far more expensive...

How so?
Actually if this ends up as a death penalty case and he's found guilty, I'd be surprised if it were less expensive. The legal fees alone on all the appeals (probably used) would make this far more expensive. Because of the complexity of this suspect's cases (alledged multiple murder victims), each appeal will be going in the millions. He'll probably be put to death in about 15-20 years my guess if he actively uses all of his legal options.
If he decided (if offered) to accept life behind bars without the option of parole, it'll be cheaper to the tax payer.
BTW on a personal note, if he's actually guilty of those "sniper" murders, I don't mind my extra tax dollars on his defense to put that scumbag to death. The price we as a society pay to live in our country.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #26 on:** October 14, 2003, 02:36:55 PM »

Why are you being so hostile Fishu. Maybe I can undersand after the first post I wrote but not after the second one, espacially since its such a broad hostility coming from you. What am I to make of it?

But back to the topic at hand, do you agree that this is a very humanitarian thing to do - to provide even those who may not be millionaires themsleves with excellent legal representation?

Sandman · « **Reply #27 on:** October 14, 2003, 02:55:33 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
How so?
Actually if this ends up as a death penalty case and he's found guilty, I'd be surprised if it were less expensive. The legal fees alone on all the appeals (probably used) would make this far more expensive. Because of the complexity of this suspect's cases (alledged multiple murder victims), each appeal will be going in the millions. He'll probably be put to death in about 15-20 years my guess if he actively uses all of his legal options.
If he decided (if offered) to accept life behind bars without the option of parole, it'll be cheaper to the tax payer.
BTW on a personal note, if he's actually guilty of those "sniper" murders, I don't mind my extra tax dollars on his defense to put that scumbag to death. The price we as a society pay to live in our country.

I guess I should have added... A lifetime of incarceration will cost more than $400K per... but yeah... you're probably right. It's expensive no matter how we slice it up.

Fishu · « **Reply #28 on:** October 14, 2003, 05:21:06 PM »

Grunherz,

Why? wasn't it clear already.
I've had enough of your hostility towards me, when you're always saying how I'm critisizing america whenever possible.
Getting really old when I can't have a break of your blatant assumptions.

Mini D · « **Reply #29 on:** October 14, 2003, 06:51:40 PM »

Well I guess that answers it fishu. You'd simply like to argue with Grunhurz and pretend its all his fault.

MiniD