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Offline ALF

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AH2: The Manuver Kills Strike Back
« on: October 15, 2003, 09:44:13 PM »
The new AH2 flight model is just as HT described it in many ways.  It feels the same, but somehow different.  The planes now have a much better 'feel' near the stall, and at low speeds.  Much of the over crispness seem to have disapeared in the low speed handeling.  From my limited test flights it also seems that it is MUCH easier to get you arse in deep dookie near the deck.

If youve ever flown a heavy plane like the p-47 for a time, you know that it tends to porpoise if you try and pull up too hard.  In other words, you can change the AOA in a high speed dive and point the nose up, much more quickly than your wings and the laws of areodynamics will allow.  You end up loosing gobbs of lift, and although your pointing forward or even up, your plane is still drifting down with its inertia, the buffeting airflow over the wings being no match for a few tons of metal with a mind to become your ordinary tiller cultivator.

Ah2 and its more accurate force modeling, seems to make planes much less resposive in those situations where you run out of altitude, airspeed and ideas all at once.  Even planes like the Spitfire, that AH has traditionally labled a beginers plane for its easy handling is succeptable to a little power slide.  Flat spins are also more prevelant when you push our plane into areas just not covered at all by the flight envelope.

The ground on the other hand is crawling with trees and shrubs of all kinds.  just like real life, the ground is an undulating mass of large resonably predictable elevations and angles, littered with unpredictable, folliage that owns the 0 to 100 foot levels above ground.  You dare not dip below 100' for more than a second (and thats not really advisable) or you may be toast.

One 'issue' is with the rendering engine used for some of the folliage.  to give cover to GVs, a 3 tier folliage bitmat kind of cover has been used.  3 flat textures, one above the other, create a great visual look from the air, and take almost no rendering power to use.  The down side is these layers, are just that LAYERS, and have ZERO DEPTH....meaning that they are invisable when viewed head on.  Since they are parallel with the ground, any plane flying along at 50' will not see them at all until they are litterally 1/10th of a second from a collision.

Im not sure if HT has a fix in mind, or if this is going to be the way things are for now.  I do know that flying low is very dangerous becaue of the difficulties in seeing potential danger soon enough and becuase of swirling winds, ground effect buffeting and the like making it a bumpy ride.  But this is sure to raise the whine-O-meter at least a few notches for the time being.

Take the new handling and add in the new ground and trees, and you have a recipie for Grandma's Good Ole Fashon Proxie Kills.

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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2003, 01:00:38 PM »
Maybe...I know it's a beta,but try this.

Take a Spit IX to 5000 ft,get semi-fast,wep and start looping.

After the first loop,I looped on and on and on...without losing any alt.

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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2003, 01:06:27 PM »
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Maybe...I know it's a beta,but try this.

Take a Spit IX to 5000 ft,get semi-fast,wep and start looping.

After the first loop,I looped on and on and on...without losing any alt.


If the goal of a loop is to exit the maneuver at the same airspeed and altitude that you started at, then why should it be a surprise if one is able to continuosly loop, over and over again? I think there's a world record for loops. I forget what it is right now. Doing successive loops is not a new idea, or something that is impossible, even in real life.

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2003, 02:57:47 PM »
Spitfire Mk.I could come straight off the runway and into a loop.  Not sure about later mk.'s
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2003, 04:57:41 PM »
Hi biggles, that is correct.

When we get the A6M2, you should be able to GAIN hight by looping.

This is historically correct.

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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2003, 05:03:08 PM »
Your points are good ones.  I took a p51 into a 500mph dive, thinking I could pull out near the earth like ah1, i survived, but it was not the experience I was used to.  You really feel the inertia now.  

loving it.

Oh yeah, the loop thing is really an e retention issue.  Doing loops for eternity without slowing way down is a problem.  Looping forever is fine if you are next to stall speed.