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Offline Sundog

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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2003, 03:10:56 PM »
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It's beta stupid.


ROFL...Oh man, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying.

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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2003, 03:41:30 PM »
i looked up beta so its no help  there if they dont know what Beta in gaming is

Beta
Be´ta n. The second letter of the Greek alphabet, B, B, and cf. etymology of Alphabet. Beta (B, (a) (Astron.) To designate some bright star, usually the second brightest, of a constellation, as, . (b) (Chem.) To distinguish one of two or more isomers; also, to indicate the position of substituting atoms or groups in certain compounds; as, . With acids, it commonly indicates that the substituent is in union with the carbon atom next to that to which the carboxyl group is attached.

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2003, 03:45:54 PM »
LOL, now that's PR! :) Seriously, ya gotta love HTC, what a breath of fresh air. No stuffy corporate EA BS here.

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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2003, 03:51:00 PM »
I am clueless and I am dolt but I am not a clueless dolt :)

stupid goes without saying ..

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2003, 04:08:14 PM »
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Did you read the release news post?  Did you read the 2 sticky posts in the BETA Test forum?  How many places do we need to put what we are looking for in this BETA test?

Gameplay is irrelevant right now.


I guess you did not even try to understand the main point of my post.

It's not about what this beta is about, but what the naming and announcements suggests it is.

To answer your questions: Yes, I did read the announcement and the stickies. The one place where to put what it is all about is the title. "AH2 Open Beta" as thread title and AH19900.EXE as filename seem to be a bit misleading.

The same is true for the manual. It's pretty hard to find, if someone is looking for something actually called "manual". Something called "help" might not appeal to someone looking for a real manual.

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2003, 04:20:20 PM »
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You clueless dolts.


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lol never were truer words spoken.  WTG hitech

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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2003, 04:27:09 PM »
Open Beta means it is open to everyone.  Then a description of what the Open Beta is about followed.  Your "point" flies in the face of what we asked for ccvi.
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2003, 04:30:41 PM »
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You clueless dolts. AHII Beta does not represent what it will be in it's final form.

The purpose of beta is not for players to evaulate AHII as a product. A beta's purpose is for Us to evaluate items that we wish tested.

The primary purpose of why we did this release was to find core problem issues. And we expected them to be there. People discussion simple things like all planes having the same tracers is just idodic and stupid. There are to many detail items to be written before desussing things at that level. But they are all based off a solid fondation, and thats what we are solidifing and testing at the moment.

If you wish to play a game, beta testing is not for you, especialy in the early stages.


If the best feed back from testing you can do amounts to "AHII Sucks", Well beta testing is not for you, and I would apreicate you don't take part in it.


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HAHAHAHAHA!

Well said.

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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2003, 05:07:46 PM »
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Open Beta means it is open to everyone.  Then a description of what the Open Beta is about followed.  Your "point" flies in the face of what we asked for ccvi.


It's like offering "Porsche 911" on ebay in the category for cars.

Then the description reads "1:20 scale model".

Someone might actually bid the price for a 1:1 scale car, confused by the title.


No difference here. Something called "AH2 Open Beta" is an open beta of AH2. A graphics engine test of AH2's gfx engine might have been advertised as "Open Beta of AH2 graphics engine" and 90% of the confusion avoided. Nearly all neccessary information is available immediately, not in the last paragraph of an announcement or somewhere hidden on a discussion forum. (whoever posts there might have read the stickies, but someone not posting there will still get the wrong impression after skipping a few lines of the initial announcement while reading).

You're looking too much from the perspective of someone knowing everything what's going on, or at least everything that has been written something about.

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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2003, 05:14:39 PM »
I think you arguing stupid logic...any non-Dolt should be able to figure out what they want & stick to that.

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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2003, 05:22:50 PM »
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It's like offering "Porsche 911" on ebay in the category for cars.

Then the description reads "1:20 scale model".

Someone might actually bid the price for a 1:1 scale car, confused by the title.


It's more like offering to let someone test drive a new model porche, but only on a closed track, and with an unfinished interior.

"Open beta" means "It's a public test" not "it's a game".

I think you're confusing Ah2 with AH2:TOD.  Ah2 is the graphics engine and flight model improvments.  AH2:TOD is the new arena, and isn't going to be releaed untill well after the ah2 update.

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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2003, 06:10:52 PM »
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It's like offering "Porsche 911" on ebay in the category for cars.

Then the description reads "1:20 scale model".

Someone might actually bid the price for a 1:1 scale car, confused by the title.


No difference here. Something called "AH2 Open Beta" is an open beta of AH2. A graphics engine test of AH2's gfx engine might have been advertised as "Open Beta of AH2 graphics engine" and 90% of the confusion avoided. Nearly all neccessary information is available immediately, not in the last paragraph of an announcement or somewhere hidden on a discussion forum. (whoever posts there might have read the stickies, but someone not posting there will still get the wrong impression after skipping a few lines of the initial announcement while reading).

You're looking too much from the perspective of someone knowing everything what's going on, or at least everything that has been written something about.


I think you are the only one confused:confused:

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« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2003, 06:20:48 PM »
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It's more like offering to let someone test drive a new model porche, but only on a closed track, and with an unfinished interior.


If you need to worry about linguistic detail maybe. Independed of the difference between classic and TOD the announcement title and file name could have indicated the nature of the beta.

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"Open beta" means "It's a public test" not "it's a game".
I think you're confusing Ah2 with AH2:TOD. Ah2 is the graphics engine and flight model improvments. AH2:TOD is the new arena, and isn't going to be releaed untill well after the ah2 update.


AH2 isn't the game engine - it's the game. Classic and TOD are different arenas within. "open beta" means it's a public test of whatever thing it is beta off - in this case AH2, the game - not one of the areans of course.

Regardless of hair splitting, more information in the title and file name does avoid confusion among non-readers.

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« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2003, 06:31:36 PM »
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It's like offering "Porsche 911" on ebay in the category for cars.

Then the description reads "1:20 scale model".

Someone might actually bid the price for a 1:1 scale car, confused by the title.


Who are you to dictate the meaning of "AH2 Beta"?  

I mean, seriously.

It doesnt matter what is being tested;  beta is not a finished product.  Beta is beta.

YOU develop and code a game.  YOU put up with Clueless Dolts (TM).  Then YOU can create the meaning of your own personal "beta".  There's no need to attack Skuzzy for that.  HT goes out of his way and wastes precious time explaining the meaning of 'beta'.

Had you actually read the announcements, then this would have made sense to you.  

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No difference here. Something called "AH2 Open Beta" is an open beta of AH2. A graphics engine test of AH2's gfx engine might have been advertised as "Open Beta of AH2 graphics engine" and 90% of the confusion avoided. Nearly all neccessary information is available immediately, not in the last paragraph of an announcement or somewhere hidden on a discussion forum. (whoever posts there might have read the stickies, but someone not posting there will still get the wrong impression after skipping a few lines of the initial announcement while reading).
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Confusion is relative.  And now you're trying to tell HTC how to make announcements!   I'm assuming you misread and are just now trying to defend your first post.

In this case you're wrong, admit it and move on.
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« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2003, 06:47:08 PM »
Ehehehehe

 Lucky for me, I wrote a favorable review :D

 You dolts who wrote negative article are in big trouble!