AH2 feature request

[mos]

Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
You don't have to be an ***..  

Think about what I said before acting that way.  And no, It should not be overly complicated.

You have NO IDEA how complicated it will be, whether you believe it "should be" or not.  When you know one thing about programming, know the intricacies about network programming, and have a look at their code, then you can instruct them on how best to implement your change.  Until then, don't tell people more knowledgeable than you how to do their job.

Before you ask, no, I'm not an employee of HTC.  I am, however, a games network programmer.  I didn't take issue with your suggestion, it's a perfectly reasonable request.  I've never lost a 262 from a disco, but I'm sure I'd be pretty unhappy if I did.  I do, however, take issue with your making assumptions about the difficulty of the change.  You said "since there are no downsides," but you fail to consider the design change to the code architecture, the time it takes to make that design change, the time it takes to code that change, the time it takes to debug it, the possible impact it has on normal network operation, and the time it takes to roll out a new patch.  No change, no matter how "simple" is ever "easy."

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by mos
You have NO IDEA how complicated it will be, whether you believe it "should be" or not.  When you know one thing about programming, know the intricacies about network programming, and have a look at their code, then you can instruct them on how best to implement your change.  Until then, don't tell people more knowledgeable than you how to do their job.

Before you ask, no, I'm not an employee of HTC.  I am, however, a games network programmer.  I didn't take issue with your suggestion, it's a perfectly reasonable request.  I've never lost a 262 from a disco, but I'm sure I'd be pretty unhappy if I did.  I do, however, take issue with your making assumptions about the difficulty of the change.  You said "since there are no downsides," but you fail to consider the design change to the code architecture, the time it takes to make that design change, the time it takes to code that change, the time it takes to debug it, the possible impact it has on normal network operation, and the time it takes to roll out a new patch.  No change, no matter how "simple" is ever "easy."

perhaps, perhaps not.  It's safe to say neither of us know for sure for reasons you seem to be aware of.  For that reason you might have handled your first post more decently.  You just grabbed a rather irrelevant issue and started trashing me.  That's what I have issue with.

BTW, it's not about losing perk points per se  it's about a decent feature to improve the quality of the experience which leads to retained customers.

It's a pity we have spent so much talking about so little..  What's wrong with peoples attitudes here?

[2Hawks]

The Attitude is Generated by the audacity of a request born of complete (apparent) ignorence.

I am not assosiated with HTC in any way except  as a client. I take offense to people of your type that think you can just wave some magick wand and have the code wonderously dance to your perfection. A self mutatiing engine for your special needs.  - Will create a plane to fly around in the M.A. for you. I mean hell, think of the kills you could have had in the time that you were gone? It would be a simple request to have the plane fight for you while you were gone, or better yet just GIVE you a few kills for the inconvienance of being disconnected from their server. Perhaps a free trip to the con per 10 Discos? 5 maybe?

I am reminded of the comic strip "Dilbert". Where the pointy haired manager was portrayed as saying: "I was looking at your code and found it to be a jumble of mispelled words... I can do that!".

Mos Summed it up pretty good. -- I tire of this conversation.  I have spoken my mind and there is nothing you can say to change it.  Good Day.

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by 2Hawks
The Attitude is Generated by the audacity of a request born of complete (apparent) ignorence.

I am not assosiated with HTC in any way except  as a client. I take offense to people of your type that think you can just wave some magick wand and have the code wonderously dance to your perfection. A self mutatiing engine for your special needs.  - Will create a plane to fly around in the M.A. for you. I mean hell, think of the kills you could have had in the time that you were gone? It would be a simple request to have the plane fight for you while you were gone, or better yet just GIVE you a few kills for the inconvienance of being disconnected from their server. Perhaps a free trip to the con per 10 Discos? 5 maybe?

I am reminded of the comic strip "Dilbert". Where the pointy haired manager was portrayed as saying: "I was looking at your code and found it to be a jumble of mispelled words... I can do that!".


Gee.. I don't know what to say.. apparently.. today.. because you feel like it.. no one can make a feature sugestion for all the non existent reasons you wrote above.  A request is just that an idea of how to improve a product in a way that's in everyones best interest.  Instead of having anything worthwhile to say you fabricated points and belittled them.  These are your points you are denegrating not mine yet you lack the rational capacity and moral decency to take responsibility for yourself.  At least be man enough to admit you did not think about or probably even read what I wrote before  jumping on the trash talk bandwagon so you could look like mr cool.. in your own mind anyway.  I never thought you worked for HTC and it's good that you don't you clearly lack the social and logical capacity to do so.  Your right, you have said every thing you could think of, pity you said nothing worth while.

[2Hawks]

-- LOL --

You would have saved yourself the typing and just declared "I know you are but what am I?"

[jonnyb]

Well, to try and get this thread back on target....

One major issue I see with the implementation of your request is the abuse such a system would suffer.  Let's look at an example.

JoeDweeb takes up his 262 and tries to fly it like a spit.  He gets low and slow (for argument's sake say 5k@250).  He looks up and sees a couple fast P51s.  Uh-oh, those ponies are going to shoot me down!  JoeDweeb does the magic "forced disco".  3 minutes later he comes back in and his precious jet is away from danger.

There are multiple ways to express this type of scenario, however they all have one thing in common: abuse of the system.

[rabbidrabbit]

Jonny,

What I said is when the server sees a disco it just keeps the connect alive for longer than it does now.  This by no means makes you invincible since you are a valid target.  How can it be an advantage if you have no flight control?...  you can get shot down.. fly into something... etc..  

2hawks... don't bother.  If you want to insult others for things they did not say just start your own thread and make a fool of yourself there.

[Rutilant]

Originally posted by Arlo
Dear Hitech,

 Last night I was shot down behind enemy lines and had to ditch in the ocean. I was able to get out ok and inflated my liferaft. I knew that a friendly submarine was patroling roughly 50 miles south of where I went down. After seven and a half hours of paddling I discoed. Would you please reinstate my rank and points? If you put me back in my raft, I'm sure it'll only take another couple of days to get to the sub. Would you please consider coding something into the game that allows players to "freeze" where they are so they can take breaks and eat or use the bathroom instead of paddling ... or maybe an "auto-paddle" function? Better yet ... an "offline paddling" option that continues on even if you disco or log.

 Sincerely,

      Fillius P. Dinglehopper aka "DethGod667" (666 was taken already)

[Arlo]

Heh, Rut. I had to doubletake. I coulda sworn I didn't post in this one yet.

[mrblack]

I am still cleaning soda off my monitor LOL.

[Fariz]

I hear you DR Lost lot of perk rides this way. I once asked HT online if something gonna be changed about it, he said no.

[Saintaw]

I'm all for it myself DadRabit san. But I have no idea what kind of time it would take to build such a function.

[hitech]

I do love statments like this.

"What I'm asking is that there be some relatively simple code be added"

Just to give you a little idea.

1. In lots of cases the sever dosn't know you disco until you time out with no communication.
2. There is no simulation code running on the server.
 It would have to be added to keep your plane flying.

3. But wait you could fly into a mountain.
 There is no terrain on the host, let alone collision detection. Even worse getting 1 fast enof to be able to collide mutilple people ,And run there sim.

4.  What happens when you get shot down. Thats not handled on the server now.

5. But you could fly threw ack. There is no terrain on the server let alone AI for the ack to shoot at you.

Just a few quick thoughts, of that realatively simple code add.

Sorry not going to happen.

HiTech

[zanshin]

rabbidrabbit puts forward a suggestion for improving AH and gets a whole load of crap back and  not as to why the suggestion if adopted would be detrimental to the game but a lot as to why he was a whiner for wanting the benefits it would give.


I guess those that replied that way would ask for a "hard man" option so if implemented they could opt out and take their chances on the odd CTD to lose perk points. Well maybe not!

Let's be constructive and stick to commenting on what impact ideas might  have on the game play and attractiveness or otherwise of them to us and  for new gamers. Personalising it all gets no one and AH nowhere.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Every MMorg I have played has had this feature , EQ etc..    I sincerely doubt it would be a substancial or even noticable server load.

I hate to tell you this but EQ has no such feature, nor do any of SOE games.  If it did, I wouldn't get so many complaints of discos at work.


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