Author Topic: Palestinians Screw Up, Bad (Read 1738 times)

bozon · « **Reply #45 on:** October 16, 2003, 10:41:40 AM »

DmdNexus:

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Why are Palistenians exhiled from the lands they lived on for over 2000 years?
Replaced by European Jews, because the UN in 1948 established a Jewish homeland. Did they have any vote in this?

They were not exiled, they are still there. Those who found themselves in the newly found Israel became citizens. The palestinians in the occupied territories were on Jordanian/Egyptian soil till 1967.

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Their homes are bulldozed with out due process.
Their people are put into Israeli jails with out formal charges, with out due process, their jobs and lives are destroyed by the Israelis.

it's WAR and they are the weaker side.

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Why hasn't the UN stepped in between the two, like it has in many other places in the world. [Because the US and Israel don't want them too... then Israel would have to stop their opression and stop their illegal activities of stealing land from an impoversed people]

The UN doesn't get itself into wars. NATO does.
making a distinction between 1948 lines and 1967 lines is funny. what is the difference between land captured in one war to a land captured in another? 1948 lines were not international borders.

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What I find interesting is that Sharon was brought up on war crimes in the Hague last year for his role in authorizing the masacre of 800 women and children whild Israel invaded Lebanon back in 1983. The charges were quietly dismissed.

I'd like Sharon on trial for a lot of things. This isn't one of them. Though he is guilty of not forseeing and preventing that masacre, it was preformed by Lebanonies cristian militia as revenge for the crap the palestinians brought upon them. Not one Israeli rifle was fired there.

In the end, a palestinian state will be founded. Not because they are right and the Israelies wrong or vice versa, but because this is the only smart solution. being right and being smart are unrelated things and the middle east need more of the other kind.

oh yes,
don't expect anything from the UN - they are completly worthless when it comes to real action. They proved it beyond any doubt in their actions in Lebanon when Israel withdrew from there.

Bozon

Nashwan · « **Reply #46 on:** October 16, 2003, 10:45:40 AM »

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25% of the British "Palestine" on the map was to be a Jewish Palestinian homeland .

Britain committed itself to creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine, not converting Palestine into the Jewish homeland. There is a big difference.

Regardless of the history, how does it justify keeping 3 million people under military occupation, and with no citizenship, in the only land they have?

Jordan is a different issue. 3 million Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. Israel needs to either stop occupying them, or annex the territory and make them citizens. It won't do either.

Fantasies of ethnic cleansing 3 million Palestinians into Jordan won't help solve the problem.

Monk · « **Reply #47 on:** October 16, 2003, 11:14:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Dinger
Mr. Black. Every day, Americans are attacked and imprisoned all over the world for doing stupid stuff.
I won't stick up for them.
Now, and American who works privately as a "Security Agent" is basically selling his taxpayer-funded military expertise to the highest bidder. People would pay a lot for that in certain situations. I refuse to believe that, over and above what we've already paid, we should foot the cost of massive retaliation on those grounds.

If they're US soldiers, or US diplomats, or random people who are targeted because they're US citizens, that's one thing. If they're random US citizens caught in a crossfire, that's another thing. If they're attacked because they're security personnel (who happen to be US citizens), that's an entirely different kettle of fish. Sorry. Mercenaries get paid for a reason.

You are one retarded fool!!

medicboy · « **Reply #48 on:** October 16, 2003, 11:34:47 AM »

Dinger, your an Idiot! There was a US diplomat in that convoy, he was the target. This was an attack on the USA and there should be an appropiate response.

BTW did you guys see the PIC's? That was one large bomb! How do you place a bomb that must have weighed around 200lbs next to a main road and not get noticed.

Udie · « **Reply #49 on:** October 16, 2003, 11:40:39 AM »

The thing that pisses me off the most is that they were there to freakin help. There were there for that program that brings kids to America to go to school, I can't remember what it's called. And then the pal's try and kill them.

There has never been a group of people who deserved a homeland less than the palestinians.

They danced in the streets on 9/11, they supported saddam (i lost my 2 palestinian friends in houston over this), this new attack on US personel....

medicboy · « **Reply #50 on:** October 16, 2003, 11:49:17 AM »

Udie, we needed to have a replacement for Iraq on the Axis of Evil, I think we just found it. Kill 'em All!!

Hortlund · « **Reply #51 on:** October 16, 2003, 12:05:27 PM »

Isnt it funny how the pals never are able to get their hands on the Hamas terrorists, or the Hezbollah terrorists, or the Al Acqusa martyrs brigades terrorists... But suddenly when the target is not Israeli women and children, the guilty ones are found within 24 hours.

Disgusting ****ers

Dinger · « **Reply #52 on:** October 16, 2003, 01:23:22 PM »

Heh. I wrote that carefully so I wouldn't have to retract it.
I stated that if they were people targeted because they're US citizens, then, yeah, that's an entirely different kettle of fish.

Nilsen · « **Reply #53 on:** October 18, 2003, 07:48:51 AM »

Only one guaranteed winner in this conflict.... the weapons industry

And the looser is??? Everyone else.

Bluedog · « **Reply #54 on:** October 19, 2003, 03:05:53 AM »

Why would being classified as 'mercenary' be an insult?
It is the oldest profession after all (well, that and prostitution, same same really, just a differant service for sale)
I would think that most 'mercenaries' would take a certain pride in the title, and I garuntee that ALL of them know that by selling their knowledge/abilities/services to anyone other than their own country's government, they forfiet their 'serviceman' status where their govt is accountable for their actions, and usually will do all in it's power to ensure correct treatment.
Thats why they are worth big money to hire, they are taking big risks. Their parent company would be about the highest authority they could count on I would think.( and in a lot of cases, you wouldnt want to count too high)
When such a company is registered as a US company, and contracted by the US govt though, I can see that there is a bit of a grey area.
You would have to wonder why they were there and not 'regular' soldiers though, surely they cost a lot more.
Surely the US Govt understands the risk involved and the likelyhood of these operators being injured/killed? Maybe that is precisely why they use 'mercenaries' not regular army?
If it had been regular troops/ federal agents, there would be no option but to retaliate, with 'mercs', there are other options available? Like doing nothing.
I may be way off track, but thats my take on it.

I have to agree with Medicboy too......just how the hell DO you plant an explosive device of that sort of power without anyone noticing? That vehicle looks like a Ford Bronco (???), according to the article it was armoured too....and it is blown in half nearly, that wasnt half a pound of C4 that did that.

Engine · « **Reply #55 on:** October 19, 2003, 05:09:33 AM »

You can plant it in broad daylight, if you have a community that supports the murder of Israelis. That's the second post registering confusion at how the explosive was placed. This isn't rural America, where individuals digging up a road would be reported in a heartbeat.

Anyway, it's not as though the Palestinian police would've stopped them. Hell, it's more likely one of them was an off-duty cop.

Jack55 · « **Reply #56 on:** October 19, 2003, 11:43:40 AM »

Time once again for the "Jordainian solution" to the Palistinian problem?

Pei · « **Reply #57 on:** October 19, 2003, 08:36:48 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Nuke you do understand that Palestine has been continously inhabited by arabs and other semites of all sorts for thosands of years and that it has been governed by those people and others by their own and Islamic overnments for hundreds of years. They did not just show up in 1948 to disrupt the creation of Israel.

This idea somehow that those people are foreigners in their own birthland is one of the most bizzare and ignorant fantasies that the more rabid Israel supporters have.

Just get over it, they have to get a state it is the only way to resolve this in the long run. Wheter they are ready to have that state now is disputable but the fact that they do need one is not.

Its like saying that the USA was never a homeland to anyone except the native indians... Its beyond ridiculos..

This is more or less what I was going to say (Hey I agreed with Grun, do I get a prize?).

Having said that until the Palestinians make a real effort to prevent militantt groups commiting attrocities then there can be no progress towards peace and a Palestinian State.