So, what's the deal with this huh?

[AKSeaWulfe]

BS aside, why is everyone jumping on dead aircraft with an "invisible" wing?

In case you are thick headed, I'm referring to DEAD planes. If they are missing a vert stab, they are dead. A wing, dead. THE ENTIRE TAIL SECTION.. Must I really answer that one?

Gimme a freakin break here. Tonite I pulled onto the 6 of a 109, after a few seconds I get into range and pour 2x20mm mausers into his right wing. Entire thing falls off(I only hit him 5 or 6 times), and I think "he's dead". But wait.. what's this? A fellow countryman must think his wing adopted the technology to become invisible(10bears, that new technology is dangerous eh? Spinning around on one wing in a vertical fashion.. ouch!), so he continues for not a burst but for an entire 2 seconds putting bullets into him. Oh not this again. He gets the kill.

This isn't the first time, in fact TWICE in less than TWO minutes on saturday(or was it friday????? I know someone remembers me squeaking about it) I watched as countrymen gunned down aircraft missing vital parts neccessary to retain a state of aerial presence.

Am I missing something here? Do planes magically recover missing the entire tail section or an entire wing? No.. not half a wing.. the whole freaking thing.

It's rediculous.
It's lame.
It's getting old real quick. I'm done doing the work for you crackheads, spewing me this line "oh but I really didn't see it". Yeah, maybe AH should claim with the disclaimer: Warning only for players with eyeballs in socket that can see.
-SW

[flakbait]

Yep, just heard you squeaking about it. I was in an M3 just SE of A21, waiting for Someone to get the AAA down. Unfortunately, Someone never showed up and I was nailed by a hiding Ostwind when I tried taking the place. No one told me there was an Ostwind there, or that the AAA was indeed down. 134 people online, 43 of them Knights, 3 guys either over or ON the field, and not one that knows how to tell someone "The ack's still up" or "there's a flakpzr in the maproom".

The utter lack of communication in there is staggering. Co-ordination is nearly non-existant. I'll stick to H2H after today, at least in there you don't have to rip someone a new one just to get an answer. Between kill-theves and people who don't know how to use the radio it's highly irritating. The Knight country channel was mostly filled with whines, idle conversation, or questions like "How do u dump DTs?".

I'd like to be able to squelch channel 2 on some occasions, like tonight. Instead of screaming on the radio, switching sides, or sitting there drooling I simply logged out.



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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School
"My art is the wings of an aircraft through the skies, my music the deep hum of a prop as it slices the air, my thrill the thunder of guns tearing asunder an enemy plane."
Flakbait
19 September 2000

[ezdoc]

SW, I've personally flown an AH aircraft 30 miles with a wing missing and bailed over home.  I don't think the pilot that took my wing off got a kill.  So you might do what I do to avoid this source of fustration for ya and fill that enemy sucker with hot lead unitl it vaporizes.  Just a suggestion.

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ezdoc
48th Fighter Group "Checkertails"

[AKSeaWulfe]

No wing. None what-so-ever. This is 1.04, planes don't do anything except lawn dart with only 1 wing left.
-SW

[SFRT - Frenchy]

I can land a plane with alf a wing missing if I still have my rudders, taxy back to the runway and have a successfull landing.

but I think that what you are describing are people stealing your kill    Well happens to me too... kids ...

[Yeager]

AKSW,

Are you saying that you have clipped a enemy plane then had a fellow countryman come along and zap the helpless con thereby getting the kill instead of you?

If so, then this:  Your fellow countryman saying he did not recognise that the enemy plane was doomed, that it indeed was all together and not damaged in any way? And consequently splayed it himself in a deserving and honorable fashion!

Is this what you are saying?

Just to be clear?

Yeager

[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 10-29-2000).]

[gatt]

LOL, I've flown and landed (yes, I did the whole landing pattern) HOGs and FWs missing two half wings. Yes, I had to use the rudder to turn, but she flew pretty well.

If you can fly and shoot, you are a target.


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4° Stormo Caccia - Knights

[Hangtime]

I think he's refering to gunning planes that are missing an entire wing HALF from the fuselage out.. planes that no longer have entire empenage (tail section compleatly gone; rudder/dorsal gone; entire stab AND elev shot away)

In other words.. DEAD planes that have a pilot still in it; that have not exploded. Yet.  

Hang

[StSanta]

Yah but is a whole other deal when tail gone/whole wing gone etc.

Some knits are notorious kill stealers and repeatedly do it.

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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[gatt]

I dont like kill-stealers. But sometimes the situation is not so clear. One week ago, I bounced a HOG coming out of the clouds. I cut-off his right wing. After the zoom I watched him. He was still flying and heading to the big melee over a field.

Well, I had to chase him and make him explode. He was still a threat for other Knights (snapshots, you know?). If another Knight did it, no problem for me, I dont care anymore about points and kills, but it is just MHO.

Other times its not easy to spot a missing horizontal stab. Other times there are real kill-stealers around and you are right. In the MA these kind of things happen. Moreover, main arena furballs and this strange FM/DM make it easier.

[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 10-30-2000).]

[Weave]

We've all had kills stolen. Sometimes it's intentional, sometimes not ( heat of battle).
I'm having a hard time figuring out the scoring system as it is.
Situation: You come on an enemy buff that someone is working, he has the thing smoking, but its flying fine. He has either (attacking fighter) been shot down, or is extending for another run. You make your run and blow the buffs wing off, or blow the whole thing up, and.... get the assist. Now, what's that all about?

...Weave

[-ammo-]

ya know, I know exactly what you are talking about SW. I have had pilots so greedy that they killshooter themselves on me. And like you I'll mortally wound a plane and break off only to have others that were in pursuit contibnue on to get the kill.

Well, If I got paid for those kills..well i would prolly get a little mad. And at times I have gotten a little frustrated. But mostly I just let it go And I log off when i get a belly full. Nothing wrong with being competitive, I have just found something that keeps me from expending too much energy.

ammo

[2Cool]

Just the other day I pinged a chog a little and then saw Skua shoot half his wing off. Feeling polite I did not want to "steal" his kill, and just flew behind this hog (on deck) a while not shooting because I expexted him to crash. Then I was forced to abandon him, and he disappeared rapidly from sight. Half an hour went by, but no assist announcement came. He must have made it home.

So, from now on I'll keep firing until enemy pilot is in chute. And I don't care about if someone "steals" my kill, we rooks are supposed to be on the same side imho.. I'll take all the help I can get.  

2Cool

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"It isn't allways bein' fast or even accurate that counts; it's bein' willing."

[CavemanJ]

I've gotten into the habit of aiming for the empenage, looking to pop the Vstab and Hstabs off a target.  I'll put in a quick burst and peel the control surfaces off and move on the next target since the one front of me is no longer a threat.
Did this to 4 kites in one sortie, and got nothing but assists on all 4 (was the first to fire on them).  I landed, logged off, and went to fly CFS2.

Kinda hard to tell if a kite is still a threat when it's spinning wildly out of control ain't it?  Especially if he's laying down on the trigger and creating a fan of tracers (which should be the first clue he's dead).

I'm hoping that, with the perk system coming, something is done the damage/scoring system that locks the kill to whoever peeled off the control surfaces/does the damage that makes the enemy kite no longer airworthy.  Otherwise we're going to see a massive influx in kill stealers who are trying to load up on perk points w/o actually earning them.  I see where this could be a VERY large problem if not addressed before the perk planes are introduced.

The past couple of days I've laid on the trigger til they target explodes or is smoking so heavily there can be no doubt about his fate.

[Eagler]

thought this was a team thing, who cares who gets the kill. If it's flying and a threat, take it out. If it's spiraling down, find another target. Simple. Wouldn't let it bother you too much.


Eagler