Author Topic: IL2 Dev Update is up (Read 710 times)

Russian · « **on:** October 20, 2003, 02:37:56 PM »

http://www.il2sturmovik-fr.com/the_game/fb_development.php

Strange · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2003, 03:09:36 PM »

As much as I want to see the Pony. I don't think it's going to be as good as it should be. As it stands Oleg still hasn't fix the issue at hand with the Jug's and the P-39 is like uber beyond all means.

Russian · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2003, 03:38:03 PM »

Pony should be like P39, right?

Udie · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2003, 04:15:28 PM »

Are the flight models going to change? Once again?

That sim sure did look pretty but once I got past that I realized that it doesn't offer much else. Haven't played since the patch debacle a couple of months ago.

I think it's funny that Oleg's fanboi's tout that thing as the best FM evar. Yet it keeps changing with each patch. Kudo's to Pyro and HT! You guys do it right the first time, ok well maybe the first or second time. But it doesn't take to the 4th or 5th or 6th......

I doubt I get oleg's next offering.

MC_Honky · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2003, 04:33:00 PM »

I agree. The FM's suck. I was on these boards when Il2 first came out telling people to calm down about the FM's. The AI is great for a offline sim. The eye candy...well.
I have also mentioned that Oleg will never give the US planes thier proper due. Come -on..Russian project published by a French company? Do you think the P-47 would be right? What about the P-51 ? Anything published by a French company and written by a Russian is bound to be biased. I won't buy Lock-on for this reason-never.........

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #5 on:** October 20, 2003, 04:38:15 PM »

Atleast get the facts straight Honky, the P39 is one of the most uber planes in that game. Guess who built the engine and the airframe. Or the Brewster B-239.

Don't be a tard over that percieved bias, same BS people said about Aces High. If you buy into that bias crap, I'll sell you a silver dollar for $1,000,000.
-SW

MC_Honky · « **Reply #6 on:** October 20, 2003, 04:50:29 PM »

Look even the title of the sim smacks of "You spoiled Yankees- You think your so great and you've Forgotten our Battles." The P-39 was cast off by the US. The Brewster was also. Only two good planes in the set were rejected by US. Have you seen the performance curves extracted directly from the Game???? Look at the Russian UFO's.

udet · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2003, 04:53:17 PM »

simply gorgeous

Russian · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2003, 05:03:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Udie
Are the flight models going to change? Once again? That sim sure did look pretty but once I got past that I realized that it doesn't offer much else. Haven't played since the patch debacle a couple of months ago.

I think it's funny that Oleg's fanboi's tout that thing as the best FM evar. Yet it keeps changing with each patch. Kudo's to Pyro and HT! You guys do it right the first time, ok well maybe the first or second time. But it doesn't take to the 4th or 5th or 6th......

I doubt I get oleg's next offering.

All this FM changes showing that team is working on it. Key word is they are working on it. Let me repeat that, they are working on it. Something that HT maybe should start working on? Or you are saying its perfect as is?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2003, 05:06:12 PM »

Ah, so thats what your problem is... "I want a Western Front game with US planes! Why did you go and make a game forcing these planes down our throat which I had to buy because you are an uber communist with the KGB in control of my money!" If you weren't interested in that theater, why in the hell would you even bother with it then? I mean, damn, would you buy a Ford when you know you won't be happy with it and really want a Chevy?!

I still don't see how this "data" was extracted from the game, since the flight model data is in an encrypted file.

The P39D was cast off from the US because of its poor high altitude performance. Information break through: The plane featured in Il2 and FB is the P39N which was vastly improved over the D models the US and Britain used, AND it is ONLY good at mid to low altitudes in the game.

The Brewster was cast off in favor of the F4F because, tah dah!, the F4F had wings that could fold up and was just a little bit faster. Britain used the Brewster quite extensively and were successful with it. Just because the US cast them off does not make them poor planes, they didn't fit in with the high altitude desires the USAAF and USN had.

Guess what? Take that P47 up to high altitude, where it belongs, and you'll have no problems with anything. It belongs above 6000meters in the game.

No, the FMs aren't perfect and many of them aren't right. But each patch has brought advantages to one side or the other. Atleast if you understand some very simple things, you'll see that while some planes are screwy, the majority still rule in their respective performance envelopes.

All German airplanes and the P47 (P51 when it gets added in) belong above 5500 - 6000meters to really be good. All Russian planes, except the MiG 3 (all variants except the AM-38) are great BELOW 3000meters. Mediocre at 4000meters, and SUCK above that. MiG3 great above 6000meters, SUCKS below 4000meters. Hurricanes, SUCK above 4000meters. Pretty good 2500-3500meters. Okay below that when matched against Russian planes.

As for your comprehensive tests done by Il2compare, it only tested the AI variants of the flight models using closed radiators. Not exactly a worthwhile test on the more modelled versions the humans control.
-SW

MC_Honky · « **Reply #10 on:** October 20, 2003, 05:16:45 PM »

The performance curves were/are directly extracted from the game. Don't have a link for them but I'll look.

THE P-47's ROLL IS A JOKE.

THE 6x50 cals ARE A JOKE.

ALL Russian Planes have about 20%+ fluff in them. Check the Il2 forum for the curves that have caused an uproar. Its a joke. I don't trust those greasy UBI guys either. I can see them hanging out in Paris with Oleg say Oui Oui- we screwed those American flight sim fans. Oui Oui...

Pei · « **Reply #11 on:** October 20, 2003, 05:29:02 PM »

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I can see them hanging out in Paris with Oleg say Oui Oui- we screwed those American flight sim fans. Oui Oui...

There's some real paranoia going on here...

Udie · « **Reply #12 on:** October 20, 2003, 05:41:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Russian
All this FM changes showing that team is working on it. Key word is they are working on it. Let me repeat that, they are working on it. Something that HT maybe should start working on? Or you are saying its perfect as is?

Sorry that doesn't cut it. The types of MAJOR fm changes that have come with every patch and force you to re-learn each AC EVERY PATCH tells me a lot. I've been at this too long to think there will ever be a "perfect" FM simulated. Torque isn't even modelled, or is modelled very poorly in IL2. There's a button for it in the set up but I have yet to notice any diference. Besides that, one patch the 109 will outclimb just about anything (prolly close to real life) the next patch the 109 won't outclimb anything. The next one it does again. How many different 190 FM's have there been? I like the current one, but come on man. Now I hear that the new planes were made by players? No thanks, I'm out.......

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #13 on:** October 20, 2003, 05:43:49 PM »

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Originally posted by MC_Honky
The performance curves were/are directly extracted from the game. Don't have a link for them but I'll look.

I've seen that, and as I just stated - those are performance curves for the AI planes. They do not perform like the human planes do, and perform better by as much as 30%.

Like I said, it isn't proof of a bias - atleast in the FM us humans must use.

The roll rate in the P47 is slow, but hopefully will be fixed. The 6x.50s are fine. The 8x.50s are a little weak, but neverthelesss, I can down 2 to 3 planes a fight if I have that many targets.

I'm an American and I don't feel screwed, I think the only people that think they got screwed are the same people that complain to a manager that there was a piece of lettuce on the cheeseburger and now demand four free cheeseburgers with a soda.
-SW

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #14 on:** October 20, 2003, 05:45:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Udie
Now I hear that the new planes were made by players? No thanks, I'm out.......

Uh Udie, you may have been doing these for a long time - but man, you need to read about who is doing what. Theres a lot of user made aircraft already in FB. They only make the cockpit and 3D models, they do NOT do anything with the flight model. That is entirely in house right there.
-SW