Author Topic: IL2 Dev Update is up (Read 700 times)

MC_Honky · « **Reply #15 on:** October 20, 2003, 05:53:35 PM »

I meant 8x 50 cals. and udie is right. he didn't even mention the high altitude problems. it WAS like flying in goo. the p-47- I was told- didn't get the 2nd stage of its turbo charger because the 10 or 11 examples the Russians got didn't have them installed. WTF ? Put a P-47 in to sell more in the American market then castrate it!!! Now they are putting a Jap plane on the cover for release in Japan. No carriers, no f4f no f6f no f4u no jap objects no jap ships. WTF ?? The Japanese market will feel screwed like we did.

OH...btw- the P-47 couldn't outrun the stuka at 30k now it magicaly can?? WTF- did we get the 2 stage super. now with this patch??

Udie · « **Reply #16 on:** October 20, 2003, 05:53:37 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Uh Udie, you may have been doing these for a long time - but man, you need to read about who is doing what. Theres a lot of user made aircraft already in FB. They only make the cockpit and 3D models, they do NOT do anything with the flight model. That is entirely in house right there.
-SW

ooops! I guess that was a pretty big piece to that puzzle and I didn't see it

Ok but it still doesn't do anything about the FM changing issues. I'll wait for the last FB patch to come out before I fly it again. I HATE having to re-learn my favorite ride with each patch.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #17 on:** October 20, 2003, 06:02:56 PM »

I don't mind relearning, so long as they are getting closer to accuracy... They were damn close with the 1.1b patch, then it got all sorts of screwed up with 1.11. Stuff like that happens when you get a whole bunch of people together testing something (the 1.1b patch - everyone tested it) that want to see their favorite plane perform so well because they are convinced when they are behind the stick they should be unbeatable.

To be honest, the 109s perform where they should - IN stick forces, roll rates, and responses in the controls. But that auto engine management went to sh** with 1.11 when it was perfect in 1.1b. I suspect if they put the auto engine mgmt of 1.1b into the rest of the FM data for the 109s in 1.11, the 109s would be back to their BnZ selves again. As it is now, unless you use manual management, you don't get full engine performance.

Then theres the P39, needs to be toned down in several areas. Supposedly will be, once it is - I'll be back to happily using it online.

The 190s are way to damage resistant though, I'm not sure how that happened while they left the P47 to get ripped apart easily.

Then the La5 (all variants) and La7s fall apart a little too easily when they begin to compress. Usually this will happen in level flight. Although I don't care much for the La7 since I don't play servers past 1943, I'd still like it fixed.

It will be interesting to see what 1.2 does, I'm hoping it will be like the last Il2 patch which pretty much fixed everything with maybe 2 or 3 planes (out of 40+) still a little off.

The disappointing thing about that patch though, is that it'll be HUGE. 3 maps or something like that in addition to several new objects and 5 new planes (P51, Ki84, A6M5(b I think), B17 and C47). Quite a task for the 56K to tackle.
-SW

pzvg · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2003, 08:24:35 AM »

Hmm, oh I get it,

Btw, this can construed as an "ah who gives a ****" post,

I've always liked AH, probably always will, but I'm still waiting for the "community" to die so I can enjoy the game without the crapskim of elitism.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2003, 08:32:07 AM »

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Originally posted by pzvg
Hmm, oh I get it,

Btw, this can construed as an "ah who gives a ****" post,

I've always liked AH, probably always will, but I'm still waiting for the "community" to die so I can enjoy the game without the crapskim of elitism.

PZ!
As I've mentioned in the past, you'll never find that with any online sim as long as the population is over 1 within the arena, but good luck on your crusade.

Udie · « **Reply #20 on:** October 22, 2003, 08:32:45 AM »

Swulfe...

Yeah I'll prolly start playing again after 1.2. I'm going to let them fix all the FM issues before I start flying it again. I still don't think I'll buy the next offering, but you never can tell. Afterall I am a sucker for eye candy

Batz · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2003, 09:26:56 AM »

Fms in all games change. Ah fm changes, wbs changes, wwiiol changes.

As SW suggested the planes in FB fly the same. The difference comes with tweaks to the CEM. As it is tweaked on one end it affects the other.

There’s been 3 FB updates, ah is going on it 3rd "fm" with ah2 otw.

With FB the problem is getting the CEM and the power settings across the board "historically" correct. AH wbs wwiiol don’t worry much about that. In these games it’s a full throttle sprint through the dogfight. WWIIOL eng heats up but still it’s not as "complex" as the CEM in fb.

Some planes benefit, some planes miss out. If it’s a game killer then don’t play. But the implication that every time you take off in FB the entire flight model has changed isn’t accurate at all.

Also keep in mind that FB is a boxed game with a multi-player component. Oleg has stated that through their market research only like 10% of those who bought fb/IL2 fly online.

Online games like ah and wbs offers faster action and are forced to deal with less eye candy for playability issues. Also the online games rely on current subscriptions to keep them in business so changes won’t come as radically or frequently (even if there is a need). Online developers are forced to deal with many issues and in turn you see for the most part they have very limited plane sets and very similiar gameplay.

I don’t think I will buy the next pay add on to fb, because I don’t care enough about the luft '46 crap. Fb is a different type of fun compared to the quake like shoot umm up that is typical of main arena play. At least for me but I rarely fly on DF servers.

You will notice 80% of box games are all about skins and websites. Most of the players you see on the various forums you will never see in a game.

Take it or leave it.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #22 on:** October 22, 2003, 12:27:09 PM »

these are all games... why get so worked up?

Udie · « **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2003, 12:50:52 PM »

Look I got IL2 the day it came out, same with FB. Go back and load IL2 and play it. Then load the first patch. The FM's changed. Then load the 2nd, the FM's changed again. Then load FB, new fm. Ok they added CEM that's nice I learned how to work the engine and liked it. Then the 1st patch, BLAM new FM's and new method of CEM.

AH's FM got changed what 1.09 or something like that about 3 years ago. They'll change for AH2, but because they are adding lift points and what not. AH's FM does not change with each and every patch like it does with IL2. And the FM has changed with each and every patch, at least the 109/190 FM's. That being said I think they've tended to change for the better, but that's not my point. My point is that I refuse to relearn the envelope with each patch and that Oleg's FM isn't near as good as his fanbois say it is. Torque isn't even modelled, that right there almost killed the game completly for me when I discovered that. There is a check mark for torque in the setup but I can't see any difference with it on or off. I haven't even begun to talk about the russian plane slant in the game. That wasn't so bad the last time I played 1.1b.

Like I said I'll sit out until they get this thing patched and won't patch it again. Then I'll start playing again. I can't argue which fm is better between WB/AH/IL2/WW2OL I'm don't know aerodynamics. I can argue that WB/AH/WW2OL have more consistant FM's that don't change with every patch. That's all I'm sayin

Play IL2 all ya like if you think it's fun. Right now it's not fun to me.....

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2003, 12:57:20 PM »

Honky is funny when he thinks people will feel screwed if their national planes are not included in the game..

What difference does it make? I have played WB and AH for years and the planes my country used are the least favourites. Even though I'm european, I mostly flew P47-d30 scoring 20:1 kills/deaths ratio on MA. I didn't feel cheated at all even though the domestically best planes weren't available, I had fun.