threedays: heeh miko .. come on .. be faithfull and invest money to your family is not good for bussines...
look at contemporary adver. ....
look at the US Tv products ..... you simply can not say that coz, it doesnt fit to market Wait a minute, wait a minute! Are you saying that beacause some unscrupulous guy come with a questionable product that he would like you to buy, or a politician comes with some stupid idea that spending promotes growty, we should junk the wosdom of teh ancestors that served us greatly over many generations and oblige them?
and now tell me Miko ... who exactly should teach them ? The only people with stake involved - parents.
or am i wrong ? Wrong about what? We hear a lot of crap from TV and politicians. Fortunately we have intelligence, withdom and culture of ancestors and accumulated knowlege of geniuses of few millenia to help us see what's real and what's not.
Even those disadvantaged not to be boren in a good family can take advantage of the accumulated knowlege and culture.
Kieran: I think you're a smart guy that occasionally says stupid stuff. 
Same back at ya...
You made an inane comment about people not being like animals where indiscriminate sex is involved. Totally absurd. Of all things to disagree with me vehemently I least expect you to pick this subject. Either one or both of us are seriously confused in this discussion or something...
Would you care to state your position on the subjects, since the one-line statements do not make it clear to me what the heck you are talking about and what are your objections.
Of hundreds of people I know personally in this country and others that I classify as my level of civilisation (of whom many had to start a new life from zero, sometimes more than once) - almost everyone had children in mature age with partners, at a time and in number of their choosing. All of them are planning their lifes at least through their children college education, and most are planning their lives in a way to be around and help with grandchildren, etc.
Not a single one has a child uncared for or unwanted or who's conception was not a planned event or a pleasant surprise.
At the same time there are plenty of cultures/people who experienced a drop in child mortality provided by hygiene and clean water supply - in undeveloped countries and increase in leisure/comfort due to lavish welfare in western states.
Some undeveloped countries like asians, drastically reduced their birth rate and increased their wealth. Some developed countries or certain ethnicities in developed countries did not have a huge increase in extra-marital births, etc.
At teh same time in some coutries population exploded, well beyong the natural support rate and resources were diverted and wasted from economic development. Also in some states, estecially in US the extra-marital birth rate, divorce rate and single family rate exploded - disproportionately among some populations.
Wealth has nothing to do with it since poor people lived in much harsher conditions 100 years ago and did not experience those afflictions anywhere close to such extent.
The only explanation I can see, as well as many scientists, is ingerent differences in intelligence and culture.
Some people plan and act under control of reason, whether they are wealthy or poor. Other live in the spur of the current moment, wheather they are wealthy or poor.
Some act like people, othes like animals and while behavior can be switched, the divide is quite great and most people have no chance to cross it.
What do you say.
miko
