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Offline Siaf__csf

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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2003, 05:03:11 PM »
The mountain/desert areas in the far-east are full of terrorist camps. Why is that? It's because the governments can _not_ control the deserts. They can not control the mountains.

I'm sure that if you wanted to dig things up, you'd find a terrorist camp or two also in saudi-arabia, egypt etc. Are they supported by the government? Not likely. Tolerated, maybe, they share the ideological enemy in the end.

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2003, 05:08:08 PM »
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Hortlund, I'm sure there are ties between the British government and the IRA, Northern Ireland is a part of the UK so it must be so.

LMAO!!!


GS:
"There are no links between Iraq and Al Queida"

Hortlund:
"What about the Al Queida terrorist camps in Iraq?"

GS:
"They were not under direct control from Saddam"

Hortlund:
"So does that mean that they were not there or what?"

GS
"The situation is identical to the one between the IRA and the Brits"



Keep it up...
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2003, 05:08:35 PM »
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I guess I'm wondering, what Gscholz and other doubters would consider sufficient evidence to convince them of Iraq's ties to Al Q specifically and global terrorism in general?  How much evidence is enough for you?  


probably none

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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2003, 05:20:10 PM »
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I wonder why the US president stated that there were no links between Iraq and Al Q. when the "evidence" is so abundant. He must have some really bad advisors.


What he said was.........

G.W Bush Thu, Sep. 18, 2003
"we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th,''

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2003, 05:56:49 PM »
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
The mountain/desert areas in the far-east are full of terrorist camps. Why is that? It's because the governments can _not_ control the deserts. They can not control the mountains.


You can not back that up with a single fact.

And GS... the MEK is in fact a terrorist organization.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2003, 06:01:04 PM by Tumor »
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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2003, 06:04:53 PM »
Rip, post this on BF.C in the terrorism forum, plz.  Youll get all the Bay Area natives in an uproar.

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2003, 06:22:50 PM »
innocent till proven beyond a shadow of a doubt  guilty

sure he was a tyrant who deserves to die...but you didnt need to make up phantom WMD's to justify it...all you needed was to give one of those peace loving save the animal types a camera and a ticket to iraq to see what a terrible place they live in (by our standards)...then you would have had support from both camps



then again a countries leader having a wmd isnt really a good reason to invade a country at all...even if the leader is a psychopath...unless your absalutly terrified that they might use it against you...but then again thats as rediculous as a hood with a bowie knife being afraid of another hood with a simple 6" switch blade

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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2003, 09:08:58 PM »
Just wondering...

How does a guy commit suicide by shooting himself in the head FOUR times?  How do you explain that?

Poor marksmanship?

Hand trembling at the thought he was about to face divine retribution?

Or was something sinister going on?

Curious,  Shuckins

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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2003, 01:39:51 AM »
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I wonder why the US president stated that there were no links between Iraq and Al Q. when the "evidence" is so abundant. He must have some really bad advisors.



You're not even an American so why should you care?
Just wondering how any of this affects you in you're country.

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2003, 07:18:13 AM »
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And me-thinks the blind can not be made to see.


I am far from blind.  I don't doubt that there were ties to terrorists etc etc etc.  As already mentioned, however, there is a long list of countries with such ties and horrible track record visa vis terrorism - such as Saudi Arabia.

Fact is I supported the invasion of Iraq because I was assured by Mr. Bush that there were copius amounts of WMDs ready to be used.

Please provide this evidence.  Backtracking and finding "other excuses" for the invasion suggests that the Bush apologists are simply scrambling to find justification.
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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2003, 07:25:44 AM »
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Oh I care when the largest superpower in the world defies the UN and goes to war on what seems like shaky justification and unknown motives. I care because I'm not American.


Don't worry, we still love you and will protect you from the boogieman. Oh and we will work on our justification and motives department while trying to make the world a better place.

You see in over two hundred years that is really our motivation, we really want freedom for oppressed people, we just can't do it all. How would the world be if we stopped sending money and aid, both in the form of men and materials. What would the UN say if we said we would “take a pass” the next time they needed our help with a hotspot somewhere. Do you really think the US is this big evil empire with no humanity and no willingness to help others? Is your country ready to take up the slack with men and money if we take ten years off? What has been the level of your commitment over say the last 25 years to making the world a better place?

You get all fired up about us, but like a small dog you bark to feel better about yourself, I find your obsession with us quite amusing, albeit a bit unhealthy.


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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2003, 10:02:58 AM »
"The Israeli-Palestinian peace effort -- one of Norway's greatest triumphs -- is now in tatters, undermined by years of trying to negotiate details of a final treaty and by more than 18 months of violence. But Jan Egeland, a key player in that effort, said Norway recognizes that there are risks of failure when taking on peacemaking challenges others often resist."


Yep always a risk but we all keep trying.



"If there was a remote chance, we took the chance when other countries wouldn't," said Egeland, a former deputy foreign minister. "It's the sides that have to make peace. We can only help."


What, you guys want ALL the credit??



"Norway does not take up every peace challenge -- one key condition is that both sides must be sufficiently committed to reaching agreement. "


What the easy ones,
;)



Really just kidding,

I hope you understand we also want peace and stability in the world. Often the good is overlooked as it is not real newsworthy (if it bleeds it leads) our country seems to lap up bad news as if it were milk.
The record of both our countries show lives lost and billions spent on aid and support the world over, I am sure you could do a google search on aid the US has provided so I won't take up the space. We also have many private agencies that offer help the world over.

I don't think we really differ that much.

We gave the UN 12 years to go about a change in Iraqi nothing changed. The UN passed resolution after resolution to no avail.

If you have children, what would happen if you gave threats of punishment with never any action. How long before they laughed at you and did what ever they wanted?

S.H. had WMD used them and had in place forbidden programs for further development. I don't think they have been destroyed as it would not be logical to do so then not show proof of their destruction. Just as S Africa showed the world the destruction of there programs S.H. should have done so and then the sanctions would have been lifted and all would be the same in Iraqi.

It would have been so easy, full UN cooperation, full disclosure and destruction verification, not to do so made no sense, unless you were lying about the no weapon thing.

So you say the President of this country lied about WMD that must mean you believe S.H. at his word as you have no proof of the destruction of the weapons (or the UN inspectors would have been done) that no one disputes he had and used.

The UN wanted proof  and said they never got it, remember they needed more time to search, If S.H. really broke down the programs and destroyed them there would have been no searching needed. He could have shown the remains of the weapons and the dismantled sites and been done with it years ago.

Please show the logic of loosing everything when you were in compliance all along.

Please show the logic for all the games and cat and mouse with the UN inspectors.


Who do you believe acted in the interest of humanity Bush or Saddom?
Who do you think cares about peace and stability Bush or Saddom?
Who do you believe about WMD Bush or Saddom?

That’s what it gets down to really

The Iraqis deserve better, the are a proud and now free nation.


Regards,




Me I call S.H. the lier and despot

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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2003, 10:47:46 AM »
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[BIf you have children, what would happen if you gave threats of punishment with never any action. How long before they laughed at you and did what ever they wanted?[/B]


Good analogy...but can you not see how people from countries other than the US would view this with a degree of skepticism?

Is the US the parent of the world...and is everyone else their children?  Many Americans are beginning to believe this is indeed the case....or at the very least this is the perception outside of America.
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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2003, 11:04:24 AM »
IF all of this IS truly evidence and justification for going to war with Iraq...

Why didn't Bush present this to the UN and the American people as justification?

Why did Bush choose to give the UN and the AMerican people the following reasons:

1. Iraq has STOCKPILES of WMD
2. We have irrefutable proof that Iraq has WMD.
3. Iraq is an IMMEDIATE threat to the US.
4. Iraq is READY to USE WMD against at any time
5. We must attack IRAQ IMMEDIATELY before they attack us - we are acting in SELF DEFENSE.

(SELF DEFNSE is the only legal justification we have to pre-emptively attack another nation)

Bush did not go to the UN with the arguement that Al-Quada is operating in Iraq, or that Iraq had any involvement in 9/11 or that Iraq has any link to Al-Quada.

By the arguements you Bush-lovers are proporting... Damn! Our State department is guilty of harboring Terrorists and has irrefutable links to Al-Quada... heck they even gave visa to the 9/11 terrorists.

(REMEMBER... Bush Senior's CIA trained OBL to fight the Russians! But you Republicans forget that fact!)

MOST OF THE 9/11 TERRORISTS WERE TRAINED TO FLY PLANES IN THE US!!

HOLY KARIST!!

The USA is TRAINING TERRORISTS!

Ok so now all you Bush-lovers aren't even on page with what Bush says his reasons were (typical of drug users)... your stories are changing (typical drug users).... you're rationalizing (drug users)... you're trying to justify (drug users)....

When stories change... someone is lying (typical of drug users)

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2003, 11:09:54 AM »
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Good analogy...but can you not see how people from countries other than the US would view this with a degree of skepticism?

Is the US the parent of the world...and is everyone else their children?  Many Americans are beginning to believe this is indeed the case....or at the very least this is the perception outside of America.



Yes, but I was referring to the UN as the parents as they are the ones who issued the resolutions for 12 years, the US is but one part of the UN. If the UN is have any power or purpose it must sometimes act. Like a parent there comes a time when you must mean what you say for it to have any meaning.

I guess it boils down, what is the meaning and purpose of the UN in todays world.

If they are pecieved to have no power then they need to never issue resolutions (requirments not requests). If that is the future of the UN, just to serve coffee and cake, why bother.