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Offline Engine

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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2003, 08:06:17 AM »
Whoa, 16 out of 3000, it's a mutiny in the general ranks!

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2003, 08:14:41 AM »
I'm sure they will return when they wake up from their alchol induced stupors.

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2003, 08:16:37 AM »
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The vast majority ... have already been tracked back to guys who missed planes, missed connections — one man's house burned down



His house burned down and he didn't return on time?! We're doomed!

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2003, 09:40:18 AM »
More disturbing the suicide rate of services members has gone up.

As well as the hardships placed on servicemembers families....

I'm not sure that many Americans realize that when a reservist gets called for active duty, they get military pay and their employer is not obligated to pay them their salary during this time... military pay is usually substantially less than their regular pay check.

Thus... if they were just getting  by before, the hardship is even worse.... not only is there an emotional burden of being separated for a year or more and the serious concern of getting killed... there's also the financial struggle that the spouses and children have to endure.

There are many service member's famillies who had to seek out help from local churches, charities, community services such as  food stamps and even wellfare, and still there are debts to pay.. and creditors threathening ligation (typical American attitude! We don't care what your spouse is doing for the country... just give us our money)

Really is this a burndon our service members should endure?

Congress is making an effort to help service members out by authorizing the government to pay the difference between the military pay check and the civil pay check with admendments to the Soldiers & Sailors Civil Relief Act. Section 206 (50 U.S.C. App. § 526)

However, they're slow to act.... again... the Republican congress and White house is quick to go to war, quick to get 87 billion in aide  for Iraq...

yet the service members who are making the sacrificies and making this all possible... are getting the shaft by their conservative government..because their conservative government is concerned about over paying service members. Yet we can over pay Iraq 20 billion? And Iraq has oil they can use a collateral.

Why can't they just do the right thing and not worry about if one service memeber gets $1 too much... one of the issues holding up the relief is the arguement the Bush adminsitration is making that only members that are Overseas in Iraq or Afghanistan should recieve compensation... However, I say whether a service member is state side or overseas... for every service member overseas, we need 10 state side to support them in logistics, training, command and controll... what ever!!

It's all the same effort!!!

Please write your congressmen and ask them to do the right thing... they should expedite authorization of hardship pay and compesation with the same speed at which they authorized to fund this bogus war and the WarBucks they are giving to Bush and his civilian buddies who are profiting from this illegal act of mass murder and left.

http://www.theolympian.com/home/news/20030914/frontpage/99897.shtml
http://www.legalpr.com/Washington%20Post%20-%20Steve%20Camp%20Garedere%20Civil%20Relief%20Act%20of%201940.html
http://www.illinoislawhelp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentid=83
http://www.mshq.net/guides/militarypay.shtml
http://www.heraldnet.com/Stories/03/10/4/17568527.cfm
http://www.afsa.org/congress/legupdate040403.cfm
http://www.honolulu-pacific.feb.gov/cola/updatelocality.doc
http://www.phillysheriff.com/SSCRA.HTM

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2003, 09:40:39 AM »
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His house burned down and he didn't return on time?! We're doomed!


Seriously!  What kind of pink socks twinkle toes types are they letting into the service these days!

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2003, 09:52:23 AM »
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I'm not sure that many Americans realize that when a reservist gets called for active duty, they get military pay and their employer is not obligated to pay them their salary during this time... military pay is usually substantially less than their regular pay check.

Thus... if they were just getting  by before, the hardship is even worse.... not only is there an emotional burden of being separated for a year or more and the serious concern of getting killed... there's also the financial struggle that the spouses and children have to endure.

There are many service member's famillies who had to seek out help from local churches, charities, community services such as  food stamps and even wellfare, and still there are debts to pay.. and creditors threathening ligation (typical American attitude! We don't care what your spouse is doing for the country... just give us our money)

Really is this a burndon our service members should endure?



Who forced them to sign up? Do you think they might have had an idea what the deal was when they signed?

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2003, 09:54:32 AM »
Ummm....its a volunteer force....

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2003, 09:56:04 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2003, 10:01:36 AM »
Let me do the balance sheet for simple minds to understand...

America Gives 87 billion to Iraq.. who... harbor terrorists... hate the US... are killing Americans DAILY.... who have trillions of dollars worth in oil....

America gives 0 to it's service members who are going into debt because they have mortgages to pay, children to feed, and their military pay check doesn't cover the bills.... and let's not forget they are a risking their lives in a war zone...

And that's ok because the service men are volunteers and they knew what they were getting into.

Man you Republicans are twisted

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2003, 10:06:31 AM »
Saying "its a volunteer force" or "nobody made them join!" is equivalent to a car company saying "nobody made them buy this car" when confronted with the fact that it explodes when in fender-benders.

I have no qualms with forcing our troops to fight, its their job, but at least the Government should take care of them and their families.

We are never going to win this Iraq situation.  Casualties will escalate and the next admininstration will pull our troops out.  And thats a fact.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2003, 10:09:15 AM »
Your analogy is weak.

Point is, they signed up, they serve.  No one made them go...ala no draft.  

Whether its popular or not, they made a committment and will see it thru.

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2003, 10:42:02 AM »
yeah, they should have read the fine print

It looks something like this:

Thank you for joining our military forces to protect our country. By signing the dotted like you consent to the fact that you will be underpaid, screwed and generaly f___d in every which way possible without access to any lubricants. We hope that any high ideas and dillusions about seriving the nation and its people will keep you motived thoughout the service and you will not notice non-existant wages, being overworked, and away from the loved ones more then anyone else on the planet. As a compensation americans agreed to use bumper stickers with "Never forget" and "Support our troops" on their cars, along with national flags, at least till they go out of fashion. And if that doesn't make you all nice, warm and tingly inside, then you should remember that you VOLUNTEERED, you moron !!!

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2003, 10:46:28 AM »
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yeah, they should have read the fine print

It looks something like this:

Thank you for joining our military forces to protect our country. By signing the dotted like you consent to the fact that you will be underpaid, screwed and generaly f___d in every which way possible without access to any lubricants. We hope that any high ideas and dillusions about seriving the nation and its people will keep you motived thoughout the service and you will not notice non-existant wages, being overworked, and away from the loved ones more then anyone else on the planet. As a compensation americans agreed to use bumper stickers with "Never forget" and "Support our troops" on their cars, along with national flags, at least till they go out of fashion. And if that doesn't make you all nice, warm and tingly inside, then you should remember that you VOLUNTEERED, you moron !!!


Hey, you just cut and pasted that from the UCMJ! I'd recognize Article 134 anywhere!

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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2003, 10:50:35 AM »
I'm with dementednexus on this one.