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http://www.investors.com/editorial/issues.asp?v=10/22
A Deficit In Decline

INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Budget: President Bush's rivals have criticized him severely for his growing deficits. But — surprise — recent data show they're getting better, not worse.

Data for the just ended fiscal year show a budget deficit of $374 billion. That's far bigger than last year's $158 billion deficit.
So that's a bad thing, right? Maybe not. The deficit is already shrinking from what budget experts expected just months ago. In July, the White House said it expected the deficit to come in at $455 billion. And just last month, the Congressional Budget Office forecast red ink of $401 billion.

So what happened?

It seems growth and a bit of luck on spending performed their magic. A revived economy added $12 billion in unexpected tax revenues to the Treasury. And even spending was $55 billion less than expected. Add in some other changes, and the deficit is actually lower by $81 billion than forecast just three months ago.
But you might not have heard this bit of good news.

Instead, you heard Bush's tax cuts are causing ever-growing deficits. Indeed, a study from the Media Research Center shows 66 of 123 stories on CBS, NBC and ABC in the last year highlighted Bush's tax cuts as the cause of the deficits. Just 12, or less than 10%, focused on nonwar spending.

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As Office of Management and Budget data show, only 23% of the deficit is a result of tax cuts; 77% of the deficit stems from higher spending and the weak economy inherited by Bush. Without those, the deficit basically shrinks to nothing.

That won't stop the continued misreporting of the deficit. Already, we've heard the news litany of a "record" $374 billion deficit expanding to as much as $500 billion next year.

Well, even at $374 billion, the deficit is just 3.5% of GDP — only a bit above its long-term average. And that — not the raw number itself — is the most important way to measure the deficit's impact.
Yet based on such fear-mongering, some people want to reverse Bush's tax hikes just to cut the deficit. That would be a sad mistake.

The Heritage Foundation, using a widely respected econometric model, Tuesday estimated repealing the tax cuts would kill 174,000 jobs, slash Americans' disposable incomes by $52 billion and trim $14.3 billion from GDP each year through 2008.

While the deficit, most economists agree, is little more than an accounting device, tax hikes have a real impact on the economy.
Is it really a good idea to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of jobs and billions in output to satisfy the accountants?
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Offline Mickey1992

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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2003, 09:55:46 AM »
I don't call nearly $4 trillion in debt with annual interest expense of $322 billion "little more than an accounting device".

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2003, 10:04:26 AM »
good article JBA
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2003, 11:06:23 AM »
Heathen how dare you report something good,,,,,

with the break in the dollar US exports are going to explode in both the commodity side and non commodity trade.  Ocean freight values have increased by almost 300 % this year which will drive more business to the US,,, Europe is in another drought the Ukrainians screwed the pooch last year in regards to selling to much cheap wheat and now they are importers, Spain is importing US milo and feed wheat,,,

guess what, it is a business cycle ;)

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2003, 11:15:28 AM »
Just curious JBA, dont you have any life at all?

You start threads constantly, for example, 4 of the threads on the front page of this OT forum you started.

I wonder if you ever get out.


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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2003, 12:44:53 PM »
(gets out calculator)

Total cumulative effect of Bush Tax cuts in 2003 dollars: $188 billion/year
If the tax cut were repealed, the number of jobs the right-wing "heritage foundation" would claim would be lost: 174,000

We'll err on the side of being generous then, and say:
number of jobs lost if a million dollars of tax cuts were repealed:  1

even if you claim they're just talking about the sixty million from this year, that's still over $300,000/job.  You know, public sector jobs go for less than that.

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2003, 12:48:37 PM »
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Originally posted by Dago
Just curious JBA, dont you have any life at all?

You start threads constantly, for example, 4 of the threads on the front page of this OT forum you started.

I wonder if you ever get out.


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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2003, 12:57:20 PM »
Heck, let's play with their own figures, which of course will paint the administration in the best light possible.

23 percent of 374 billion = 86 billion

If 374 billion is 3.5 percent of the GDP, the GDP is 10.69 trillion

14.3 billion is then .133 percent of the GDP

so .8 percent of the GDP in deficit buys us .133 percent increase in GDP.
We get 174,000 jobs at the cost of $494,000/job.

Oh yeah, and $52 billion dollars in "disposal income" most of which goes to the rich, and looking at the numbers, very little of which goes to the GDP or those jobs, at least in this country.

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2003, 01:17:34 PM »
You know I hear Kenneth Lay has left his job... I wonder if I can get his old job... I heard it paid very well.

And Bush brought in the highest unemployment rate in decades too...wonder where all those people are not working right now.

175k jobs Wow! Where are all these jobs are.

Wonder how many jobs we could create just by eliminating income tax all together for everyone who makes more than 100K

I know I would be happy! :aok

I'd vote for that!

it's about time the poor start paying their share and pulling their weight... the rest of us earned our money and deserve to keep it!

Besides.. I need to hire a maid, gardener, personal assistant, a boy to shine my shoes and wash my car... someone to wipe my prettythang with $1000 bills.

But those jobs won't go to Americans... Americans are too expensive with their health insurance.. and high wages... I'll hire illegal emigrants who don't speak English... and don't know I'm screwing them. That's my secret Republican pleasure... to screw people who don't know they're being screwed.

Muhahahaha.

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2003, 01:26:09 PM »
don't worry

when higher taxes cause lost jobs - there will be that money in the kitty for the newly created welfare

say it together now:

HIGHER TAXES, HIGHER TAXES, HIGHER TAXES!!!!!

some of u r unreal....
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2003, 01:30:02 PM »
hell if welfare paid even $400,000 a year, I'd be on it.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2003, 01:44:59 PM »
they have honestly convinced you that spending more than we take in is good? even nessasary ?


wake up.

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2003, 02:59:33 PM »
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
they have honestly convinced you that spending more than we take in is good? even nessasary ?

 


no, stop this crazy spending.

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2003, 03:20:14 PM »
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they have honestly convinced you that spending more than we take in is good? even nessasary ?


wake up.


To my suprise, Bush has spent like a Democrat to try and find some middle ground...it hasn't worked. We have the likes of you criticizing him for too much spending....if he would have shut down these spending increases, you would be the first to say Bush is starving the elderly and children.

Perhaps it is you who should wake up...one man, neither Clinton nor Bush can swing the US economy to one extreme or another. I know this belief of yours lends itself to your hatred of the man, however, it simply doesn't work that way.

I look forward to your response to an economy under full recovery next spring, just in time for the elections....I'm sure you'll find something else to complain about.

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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2003, 03:36:19 PM »
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Originally posted by Rude
To my suprise, Bush has spent like a Democrat to try and find some middle ground...it hasn't worked. We have the likes of you criticizing him for too much spending....if he would have shut down these spending increases, you would be the first to say Bush is starving the elderly and children.

Perhaps it is you who should wake up...one man, neither Clinton nor Bush can swing the US economy to one extreme or another. I know this belief of yours lends itself to your hatred of the man, however, it simply doesn't work that way.

I look forward to your response to an economy under full recovery next spring, just in time for the elections....I'm sure you'll find something else to complain about.



Dead horse Rude.  These guys don't care who is helping or hurting the economy or the condition the economy is in, the state of U.S. foreign relations etc ad-nauseum.  They care about who's in charge "now".  GWB could make every last person in the good ole U.S. of A. a millionaire and HE WOULD STILL BE WROOONG DUDE!  DON'T YOU GET IT!!!

I'm glad we have a President who's not afraid to make a decision, even if that decision doesn't rest well with a whiney MINORITY of people.
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