huh?!?!

[Renfield]

None of it my call Deja. I think HT and HTC are on the right track though. I think this has been needed.

There are a vocal few in the arena who are chasing away customers. HT and Pyro have to look at this from a business standpoint - it is after all their livelihood - and do what is necessary to increase customer base and satisfaction. Enough were complaining about the behaviors in the arena (myself included) that this step was taken.

Now I am sure they will watch and see how the arena changes, how many leave, and how many new people sign up.

If people continue to ack like dweebs and try to circumvent the filter or continue with abusive behaviors, we'll see more restrictions - i.e. the vote mute HT was asking the arena about the other morning. Maybe they will be good for the sim and maybe they won't. Time will tell.

But one thing I can assure you, the behavior of a few has been hurting this sim. After RAM went off the deep end I was about to drop my account too.

Sure, outbursts are expected and probably unavoidable in this type of simulation. But there is a level of thought associated with yelling at the monitor vs. taking the time to verbally assault someone over the open channel, cuss like a sailor at your monitor vs. type it into the radio.

One of the guys in another thread brought up the importance of posturing - why some feel the need to act tougher than they really are or say things on the computer they wouldn't say in person.

That is what you are fighting for, Deja, the right to act like a tough guy and a not too bright one at that. Since these people can't control themselves, they have now forced action on the part of HTC - action I'm sure they would have rather never had to take.

I think people forget that if they like the sim, they have to respect this is how HTC makes its living. By acting like dorks, you drive away potential customers (or as I like to think of them - targets) and cut into the desirability of running HTC as a profitable venture. If the arena gets too ascerbic and people leave, HTC goes the way of other online ventures. Is that what you want?

You guys need to consider the effect of your actions on the sim and the sim community. This is not a freedom of speech issue by any stretch of the imagination. This is a muzzle forced on everyone by the actions of a few - and a required muzzle I would add. I am actually surprised that you aren't calling for the "purge".

[AKDejaVu]

 

That is what you are fighting for, Deja, the right to act like a tough guy and a not too bright one at that. Since these people can't control themselves, they have now forced action on the part of HTC - action I'm sure they would have rather never had to take.

I am not fighting for anything.  I am sitting here at my computer, typing using less profanity on this forum than most favoring the current filter have.

What I believe is that when you attempt to weed out the bad eliments, you risk drawing the line at the wrong point.

Who is to determine what bad behavior is?  What committee is going to sit down and decide this for us?  Then how is this going to be imposed on the arena?

This whole thing smacks of a book-burning session.  A bunch of closed-minded people doing what's right for their children and society.  Of course, they believe they are so right that any argument against them is evil and automatically makes the person a sinner.

The majority isn't always right.  They just voted and decided they were.

AKDejaVu

[Renfield]

Hate to point this out - again - but this is a business. It isn't a democracy. There are no votes unless HTC decides to ask for one.

HTC has to decide what is right and what isn't. The majority has to rule here no matter what you think - simply because that maximizes HTC's profits. I'm also not ignoring free will and HTC's right to run AH however they want regardless of profit.

But that is the gig - they have either decided to place the filter to make the arena better for more people and more profits or they did it because it was the right thing to do and they decided it had to be done.

It isn't a book burning or anything of the sort. Calling it that is merely an attempt to escalate things not unlike the people who cuss and harass on the radio.

I've said all I have to say on this matter. If reason isn't good enough for you, you will just have to live with things as they are or leave.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Renfield:
Hate to point this out - again - but this is a business. It isn't a democracy. There are no votes unless HTC decides to ask for one.

It ain't,neither, your private dictatorship. And I think that this very thing is what drives you crazy.  



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[Dowding]

Isn't there an amendment in the AH constitution on this? All you people who want change are just anti-AH fiends (probably with communist leanings). It is a god-given right for us to bear arms in the form of swear-words. How will I express myself otherwise?

What do you mean there isn't a constitution? How will we know what to do, without one?

RAM - when are you going to get around to replying to my post concerning your 'admiration' of Nazi pilots in the O-club ('StSanta, about your new sig.' topic)?   I'm really interested with what you have to say (and anyone else, for that matter).

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[Renfield]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
It ain't,neither, your private dictatorship. And I think that this very thing is what drives you crazy.

Wow, RAM, this is really funny coming from a guy that demands others fly the way you want them to - self-admitted ranting and raving (and counseling from HTC) over HO, "dweebs" and such.

What have I ever said that would lead you to believe I wanted a dictatorship and wanted to rule AH? This is ludicrous in the extreme (no suprise that you would voice it, though).

I just don't like being squeaked out by some punk with wet diapers over something he is completely in error about. I also don't like being told how I will or won't fly so that I might please the almighty RAM. I also don't like seeing others being the benefactor of your abuse or similar abuse from others in the arena to other players.

No, RAM, I only complained. I would think the dictator approach would be one that suppresses all forms of dissent - not unlike you are trying to do now.

If I wanted my own little online kingdom, I would write my own software and see how I did. But sorry dude, even though I probably could (I am a programmer) I have no desire.

You might be projecting???  



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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Renfield:
Wow, RAM, this is really funny coming from a guy that demands others fly the way you want them to.

Demand? I never demanded anything. I called HO people Dweebs . I called Ack huggers cowards. Never demanded them to fly otherwise.

And that is past.  

What have I ever said I wanted a dictatorship and wanted to rule AH? This is ludicrous in the extreme (no suprise that you would voice it, though).

Never. but you DEMAND people to behave like YOU Want. You DEMAND people to not to say some things that YOU dont like, YOU DEMAND people to behave in the ways that YOU think are right. And you THREATEN people that don't do all those things your way with your "informant" self-proclaimed role  .

That fits quite well in a dictator's way of acting.  

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[SIFTER]

Udie,
Don't think that you can keep me from cussing your ******* dumb *** out when your not takin' care of your ******* job as a wingleader. I won't be ******* squelched! I completely agree with HTC on this ****** ** policy! It should keep AH from turning into the main lobby at ******* M-player! How do they plan to squelch the ******* RW channels?   This is a "Bomb***" sim! HTC..."Way to ******* go!" WT*G  Keep up the good work. Udie! Get back to work!                      BERSERKR

[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by Renfield:
As a matter of fact, Pongo, I was. However, it was you who chose to name yourself. I was merely using your childish behavior as an example. I wasn't naming names.

No petitions. Your beef with HT is between you and him. He will ban you when and if he feels like it. I would bet another session like the one I was referring to and you are out. But who knows. It isn't my decision. It was embarassing to watch though and I tried to get you to shut up on private a couple of times before HT booted you as you seemed pretty close to out of control on the open radio.

I still think the way you behaved was shameful and that you owe HT an apology for acting like a spoiled brat. But that is just my opinion.

[This message has been edited by Renfield (edited 09-24-2000).]

Really. Shameful? I was pissed at being gangbanged for 4 days and posted.
"Gangbang -> poor game design"
That was all. No rant no prior statments.
I was punted.
When I got back a conversiation was in the buffer about the same topic.  someone said why doenst HTC do somthing about it.
I said they dont want to.
Punted again.
I then logged on and asked how many times HT was going to do that. He said one more time and I would be banned. I said ban me.

HT then challenged me to a flight modeling trivia test since I thought I was so smart.
I told him that I dont know anything about flight modeling and never claimed to. There was a long pause and it blew over. HT asked for my ideas about what could be done different. Probably ignored them. And on we went.

What do I think happend? I insulted the game and he got pissed off.  Others have surmised that he confused me for another player that had been insulting the new flight model. Well I will likly be whining about gangbanging if I am lucky enough to be playing this game in 5 years.
I recount the details as I remember them only so that your version is not left to stand.
Frankly I was alot more bothered the day that I logged on to have to read you insulting ram for 30 minutes on country channel when he was not there. I am alot more disturbed to see your insult to the AK squadron last night after you vulched one of them. You try to cause more animosity and conflict than any of the people like Joemud, or creamo that are somewhat renouned for their vulgerity
It is typical of you to bring up the night I got booted for your own purposes and to try to twist what happend so that it fits in with your strange little view of what constitutes morals and maners.
For your personal gratification I will add that HT apologized to me the next day and I apologized to him. I apologised to him because I insulted him and his product in front of his customers. Accepting blame and moving on is probably something you dont understand. You are more likely to assign blame and dwell on it.
While i am not proud of my slam against HTC and pyro in particular, the many responses that I recieved after made me think that others were as confused as I. Apperantly you are not confused about what happend.
I find it interesting that you are so confused by the way I shut you down on channel 1 or 2 every time that you start picking on someone. I find it interesting that you do stop so quickly when ever I point out your strange behavior. Well I guess that is the coward in the bully.

It must be very distressing to people that you have appointed yourself the defender of the filter. You treat it like its your own personal acomplishment. Maybe if you toe the line enough and put words in enough peoples mouths you will get to be the hall monitor.
Wouldnt that power be somthing renfield...
mmmmmm
Ban people...
mmmmmmm

By the way. I dont care about the filter at all. Other than you trying to provoke the AKs last night the areana does seem more civil..

[Renfield]

Well Pongo, I'm glad you and HT worked things out. As to your version of the events, you seem to leave things out - but I wasn't running a recorder so can't quote verbatim. You guys apologized to each other. Fine.

RAM's and my dislike for each other is common knowledge. I think he is an bellybutton and he thinks I'm an HO dweeb. The way you say it the buffer was full when in actuality, there were comments and there have been comments. The jerk keeps butting in and I keep slapping him down. Actually it is probably way past due to just ignore the pest. Read the comments about the filter - many of the comments are RAM's - not commenting about the filter but goading and provoking. So point taken - comments about him will stop.

You comments about bringing up you getting booted for my own purposes - in a manner. I brought your behavior up as an example of how out of control some get. I thought you were being a complete bellybutton - to the guy who made this all possible - apparently because you can't figure out not to take off from a capped field and/or not to fly into a fight where you are outnumbered. Those are all errors in your judgement - not poor game design.

I am curious how game design would correct the so-called gangbanging. That behavior on the part of an adversary is perfect survival. Outnumber and crush your opponent fast so you don't die. It is a wartime simulation. Every general that ever lived would go for the gangbang every possible chance they got. There is nothing wrong at all about the behavior. In a game where points are scored, the only problems may come from "kill-stealing" on the part of the victors - not on any whiney-ass dweeb getting pissed he flew into a hornet's nest. On this point you just lose.

As to your "shutting" me down when i commented on the AKs after dropping Nimitz - you probably won't recall but the comment was followed by a <S>. I said something like "them AKs go down easy". I was joking with the guy. So jump on in with your comments whenever you feel like it, Pongo. I didn't understand your comment then and was surprised to see you were Knight.

And the junk about the hall monitor - sorry dude. Only standing up to say that the obscenities had to go. The crap about people complaining on the open channel about "ack huggers" and "HO dweebs" is just an arrow to the guy that apparently can't get a kill. It does however, make the arena an unpleasant place as someone squeakes out someone who got away.

The filter gets implemented and a few start squeaking. So I, along with others, say we support it. So what? It is my opinion. So I screenshot and forward RAM and others who were being particularly abusive? So what? You condone the abuse? I could care less if you or they get pissed at me for doing it.  Frankly, I only did it the one day - haven't seen anything really that bad since.

So go ahead and get pissed and think you "shut me down". Oooh. You sure showed me.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Renfield:
AM's and my dislike for each other is common knowledge. I think he is an bellybutton and he thinks I'm an HO dweeb. The way you say it the buffer was full when in actuality, there were comments and there have been comments.

Poor renfield...always mistook, when he is a Informer Saint  

And your comments were only that, comments   nothing to "inform" about, I guess,ROFL  

BTW I dont think you are a HO dweeb. Well,I do think it, I mean that I think much more things about you, and none of them quite good  

   

The jerk keeps butting in and I keep slapping him down. Actually it is probably way past due to just ignore the pest.

 

 

Read the comments about the filter - many of the comments are RAM's - not commenting about the filter but goading and provoking. So point taken - comments about him will stop.

I had few things to say about filter. It doenst affect me at all, as I very rarely cuss in AH.

But I had a lot of things to say about you and your stupidity   And I still have a lot to say  

And to laugh  

 

You comments about bringing up you getting booted for my own purposes - in a manner. I brought your behavior up as an example of how out of control some get. I thought you were being a complete bellybutton - to the guy who made this all possible - apparently because you can't figure out not to take off from a capped field and/or not to fly into a fight where you are outnumbered. Those are all errors in your judgement - not poor game design.

already playing the smart bellybutton Renfield? when pongo's "problem" with HT happened, Knightland was down to 5 A fields, 4 of them under attack, and the fifth had enemies nearby   what do you suggest, us to log off?  

I dont excuse pongo's attitude, but your point is that of a guy that doenst know what is he talking about,and still is giving moral,tactic and strategic lessons  


 

I am curious how game design would correct the so-called gangbanging. That behavior on the part of an adversary is perfect survival. Outnumber and crush your opponent fast so you don't die. It is a wartime simulation. Every general that ever lived would go for the gangbang every possible chance they got. There is nothing wrong at all about the behavior. In a game where points are scored, the only problems may come from "kill-stealing" on the part of the victors - not on any whiney-ass dweeb getting pissed he flew into a hornet's nest. On this point you just lose.

LOL renfield. You seem to have a lot of knowledge on how to fight and win eh?...strange why arent you #1 in scores?  


 

And the junk about the hall monitor - sorry dude. Only standing up to say that the obscenities had to go. The crap about people complaining on the open channel about "ack huggers" and "HO dweebs" is just an arrow to the guy that apparently can't get a kill. It does however, make the arena an unpleasant place as someone squeakes out someone who got away.

ROFL...it's getting better each thing you say  

 

The filter gets implemented and a few start squeaking. So I, along with others, say we support it. So what? It is my opinion. So I screenshot and forward RAM and others who were being particularly abusive? So what? You condone the abuse? I could care less if you or they get pissed at me for doing it.  Frankly, I only did it the one day - haven't seen anything really that bad since.

So go ahead and get pissed and think you "shut me down". Oooh. You sure showed me.

LOL...sure I got abusive, I called someone warper and then I squelched him in public.

Abusive and offending, way off   Oh yeah  

AH yes I forgot it, I called you WEenie in private   another abusive act from my side  

About not doing it again since that day...with the desire you have, the NEED you have to put me in the worst position possible in front of all the people and HTC, the fact that you havent been able to "Inform" about me again is because I VERY rarely jump on people in MA. The HO dweeb time has passed long time ago,but you didnt notice it,were too busy informing  

You see me how you do because I call you what you are...hurts?...poor kid  

you are a ridiculous stupid Renfield. But, again, you are funny.

 


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-24-2000).]

[Toad]

<Yawn>

This BUSINESS belongs to HTC.

Like restaurants with "No Shoes, No Shirts - No Service", he gets to make the rules that he feels serve his business plan.

If you wish to dine in fine style barefoot and barechested....go ahead. But don't claim it's your _right_ to do it in any restaurant you choose.

[Renfield]

RAM, give it a rest. I'll leave you alone and ignore you from now on. I suggest you do the same. Your provoking and goading are really getting old.

As for the gangbang thing and the Knights with few fields I still say the same thing. If you don't like it, don't fly from a capped field or fly into fights where you are outnumbered. It is that simple. If that means logging off, then fine. That resets the board that much faster.

I should have seen it long ago that replying to people obviously unable to reason with is a waste of time. I'm out. You guys have fun.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Renfield:
RAM, give it a rest. I'll leave you alone and ignore you from now on. I suggest you do the same. Your provoking and goading are really getting old.

Heh, do you remember who started provoking each other in threads that had nothing to do with him?...8after the HO in TOD, of course)

But ok, if you want a "cold" peace ,is OK with me. I wont answer to your posts as long as you let me in peace, here and in MA (And yes, the stupid informer attitude is included)  ...

But I'll still laugh a lot with some of them  


 

As for the gangbang thing and the Knights with few fields I still say the same thing. If you don't like it, don't fly from a capped field or fly into fights where you are outnumbered. It is that simple. If that means logging off, then fine. That resets the board that much faster.

Your fighting spirit is that of a desserter   I guess that you in WWII would've been a valuable asset for defending ground while outnumbered  

 

I should have seen it long ago that replying to people obviously unable to reason with is a waste of time. I'm out. You guys have fun.

As I said...very Funny  

And you get funnier with each post  

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[Renfield]

What do you want me to do RAM? I can't ban you. I can't get you deleted from the board.

I say let's leave each other alone and you call me a deserter. You feed off this stuff RAM. That is obvious. You somehow think you are better but you really aren't.

I am amazed you are so fixated on the HO thing. Get over it.

Call me whatever you like. I couldn't care less.

Maybe I get funnier with each post but you get more pathetic.