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Offline vorticon

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« on: October 23, 2003, 07:25:26 PM »
would be interesting to see it in AH...flesh out the italian set a bit more anyway...

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2003, 07:29:25 PM »
would be very nice.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2003, 08:01:35 PM »
One of the things that I think we all have to consider in aircraft requests, and please forgive me it isn't directed at Italian ACs, is that during WWII the Americans (no allies included) built over 250,000 planes. WWII was the afternoon of the aircraft in combat as opposed to WWI. This was the first serious demonstration of the power of Air Supremacy. An idea that continues without doubt to this day. A plane that had a total run in comparison equal to roughly 0.1% of the US production is so rare as to be unimaginably vague. 1000 US aircraft were built compared to the each of the various Regianne. This is without comparing all Allied/Axis plane production which would put the Regianne as being roughly on the order of 1:70000. Imagine this... for every single plane that you see either in your country or not 1 out of 70000 is a Regianne variant of which 1 out of 350000 is a plane that stands even a chance in everyday MA operations.

Yes I realize that the 262, 234, and 163s are also comparatively vague but these aircraft represent the Third generation of ACs. As such and considering that they were produced and flown in combat during WWII hostilities demonstrates the idea that they were important.

Biplanes and Zeppelins are Generation 1 the beginning.

Planes like the 190D9, P51D, and Tempest are the pinnacle of Generation 2. Which begins roughly speaking with the bf 109, Spitfire, and Zero. Note I didn't mention a US aircraft because the US Army laughed at the idea of aircraft playing any important role in combat.

Jet propelled aircraft Generation 3. ME 262s, AR234s, MiG15s, F117s.

For completeness sake I'll include the Dark Stars and Predators which are the dawn of Generation 4. The unmanned AC that human G force tolerance is not an issue in and hence the apex predator of non-terrestrial combat in Earth atmosphere.

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2003, 09:14:12 PM »
It represents one of the most suitable additions to the AH Italian planeset, which is 1/<10 countries to be represented,and not the least of all plausible countries to include now or later, since we already have the 202+205.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2003, 11:54:43 PM »
Production Numbers have no bearing on wheather a plane will or will not be added to AH, AH is already Top Heavy with US Equipment and it is high time that other countrys get more representation, presently it is extreamly dificult to make certain CT and Event Set up's due to this discrepency in modeling aircraft.

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2003, 12:42:38 AM »
To read in some depth about the Re.2000, go to this page on my website, Re.2000 Falco



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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2003, 07:51:06 AM »
Hrmm that looks like a P-43 Lancer which later devloped into the P-47 Thunderbolt  :aok




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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2003, 08:04:34 AM »
Sort of missing my point. I'll try again. I want more Italian, Japanese, and German aircraft in AH. I don't want more US aircraft. However my desire for new non-US aircraft is tempered by production numbers. An aircraft that had 300 variants produced is not as desirable as one that had 3000. As with any rule there are exceptions. I'd love to see the Japanese and US experimental jet fighters. If nothing else it would help in the what if CT setups.

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2003, 08:05:38 AM »
I would love to see more Italian planes, - notably the Re 2000 series, MC 200, Fiat G50 series and the Cant.
I did not quite get that part about the overwhelming numbers of US aircraft in comparison to other nations planes. Variety is good, and aircraft of many nations create more setup possibilities.
Looking closer into that also, the missing planes that hit very high production numbers are mostly russian......
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2003, 10:17:58 AM »
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Originally posted by scJazz
Sort of missing my point. I'll try again. I want more Italian, Japanese, and German aircraft in AH. I don't want more US aircraft. However my desire for new non-US aircraft is tempered by production numbers. An aircraft that had 300 variants produced is not as desirable as one that had 3000. As with any rule there are exceptions. I'd love to see the Japanese and US experimental jet fighters. If nothing else it would help in the what if CT setups.


my point is that we need more italian fighters...and the re 2000 is the only one (other than c202/205) wich wont be completly useless...anyway this is more of a long term want...other plane sets need some looking at first

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2003, 12:41:52 PM »
missed mine too: if you (the playing customer) want it, it should be there, except if it really goes against the spirit of the game.
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2003, 12:48:43 PM »
[size=8]SPANISH CIVIL WAR [/size]

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2003, 01:31:29 PM »
AS USUALY I AGREE WITH  U WTG WTG!!!

add some italian plane would be am imteresting addiction
about MA; CT : and Scenarios,
i mean MALTA
Spanish war
GREEK
North AFRICA!!!!

so re 2000 would be very nice but there are a big list!!!!
about italians airplane

and about nembers .....

i made some example: u have to compare numbers
not beetwin nation but about the total numbers of plane
that a nation build...

italy build about 10.000c airplane in wwII

so

FIAT G-55 -----------------------> 1.8% ONTO TOTAL ITALIAN AIRPLANE PRODUCED

FIAT REGGIANE 2005----------> 0.36% ONTO TOTAL ITALIAN AIRPLANE PRODUCED

NK2-JSHIDEN KAY-------------->0.34% ONTO TOTAL JAPAN AIRPLANE PRODUCED

ME-163--------------------------->0.25% ONTO TOTAL GERMAN AIRPLANE PRODUCED


and About MA i cannot think that russian made so much LA7 that i have seen there!!! hehehehehe
joking out that is the list tell me what u prefer!!!


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SM-79 "sparviero" called "the cursed hunchback"

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Cantz 1007bis "Alcione"
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Fiat g50bis "Freccia" (Arrow)
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fiat g55
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[SIZE=8]REGGIANE'S FIGTHERS[/size]


Rggiane 2000 "falco I" (hawk I)

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Reggiane 2001 "Falco II" (hawk II)

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Reggiane 2002 "Ariete" (Ram)

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Reggiane 2005 "Sagittario"

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Macchi MC 200 "saetta"

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2003, 03:12:22 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Strange
Hrmm that looks like a P-43 Lancer which later devloped into the P-47 Thunderbolt  :aok





Regianne freely admitted to using the Seversky P-35 as the basis for their Re.2000 fighter. Reggiane made several improvements, the greatest of which was the flush retracting landing gear. In terms of maneuverability, the P-35 was considerably more agile than the P-36 or P-40. However, the lighter Re.2000 was even better than the Seversky, better even than the Fiat CR.42 biplane fighter! Modelled correctly for AH, it would rival A6M2 as the most maneuverable fighter in the game.

The photos shown are of the Seversky (later Republic) YP-43 and the Seversky AP-4, from which the P-43 was developed. The XP-47B was a new design, considerably different from the P-43, although the family resemblance is very strong.

By the way, I wrote that article for the Cradle of Aviation Museum, and it can also be found   here.

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« Last Edit: October 24, 2003, 03:15:34 PM by Widewing »
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2003, 08:31:10 PM »
Nice Post BigJava:)