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Offline Twist

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« on: October 23, 2003, 11:38:39 PM »
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and had grown to be in strong favor for the distribution of all wealth in America. She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative which she expressed openly.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and more welfare programs. In the middle of her heart felt diatribe based upon the lectures she had from her far left professors at her school, he stopped her and asked her point blank how she was doing in school.

She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. That she had to study all the time, never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying. That she was taking a more difficult curriculum.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Mary." She replied, "Mary is barely getting by", she continued, "all she has is barely a 2.0 GPA" adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies."

But to explain further she continued emotionally, "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung over."

Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to her friend who only had a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would-be a fair equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter visibly shocked by the fathers suggestion angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!"

The father slowly smiled and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."


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Offline mrblack

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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2003, 12:42:12 AM »
RIGHT ON BRO!!! :aok

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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2003, 12:48:58 AM »
Unfortunately, her actual response would be along these lines:

Why don't we just do away with the grades all together? All they prove is the ingrained bias against my firend Mary's race, and school is about experience, not learning, anyway.

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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2003, 02:15:07 AM »
Well I know one thing for sure, it's nice to have liberal professors who let you have open book exams and bring 2 index cards of notes to the final exam.  The best ones tell you what questions will be on the exam ahead of time.

Now that's what I call a good compromise!!!  Have grades, only give the answers ahead of time, before the mid terms.

Yeah, that's the ticket!!!:D





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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2003, 07:30:13 AM »
what GPA do peple who cannot afford to go to college and work 50 hour weeks labouring to make end meet get?

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2003, 07:36:42 AM »
Leslie, hypothetical question: If you as a teacher could give everyone in your class knowledge, and all you had to do was tell them the answers, would you? Not that I am defending the practice of giving answers to a test right before the test, just wondering how people view knowledge and its acquisition...

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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2003, 07:44:08 AM »
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what GPA do peple who cannot afford to go to college and work 50 hour weeks labouring to make end meet get?


The same one my father got...

Its called a paycheck.

Not everyone goes to college, but if you work hard, your kids will.

Life is not fair....get used to it.

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2003, 08:50:35 AM »
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The same one my father got...

Its called a paycheck.

Not everyone goes to college, but if you work hard, your kids will.

Life is not fair....get used to it.


So a person's ability to go to college should be determined by their parents income?

Republicans equate having money is the same as working hard and having good values, and those who don't have money are lazy.

Let's take Dubya's biography for example...

Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt shortly after he sold all his stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With father's help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments in Previous Positions

Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.  

Set record for most executions by any governor in American history.  

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of his father's appointments to the Supreme Court.

Accomplishments As President

Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history.
In his first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest him (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
His presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.
Members of his cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.  
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).
All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).
With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
First U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
Failed to fulfill his pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months he had no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks he successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.
Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available)
AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of his tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into his insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All minutes of meetings for any public corporation he served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings his (or his VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

Now that's a hardworking individual!

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2003, 08:58:29 AM »
Nexus, you can derail a thread better than anybody on this board.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2003, 09:01:37 AM »
Well, I think it is terrible that people who could succeed in college do not always get the opportunity to go.

But as I said.....life's unfair.

So people are afforded opportunities others are not.

Dubya, and just about every other spoiled brat in Washington was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. JFK ring a bell?

I'm not sure what you alluded to in your wall o' text, Nexus. I simply do not have time to read something of that length right now. I'll try and get to it this weekend.

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2003, 09:05:41 AM »
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Nexus, you can derail a thread better than anybody on this board.


Oh,was that what that was all about?

So the whole thing was a cut and paste job because he saw an opportunity to take a shot at GWB?

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2003, 09:09:46 AM »
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Republicans equate having money is the same as working hard and having good values, and those who don't have money are lazy.


Its not just Republicans.  I think too many people equate money with hard work.  I know plenty of roofers who work hard all day with toxic chemicals who don't make squat.  I know people who work 30 hours a week and spend the other 10 hours at their desk reading the newspaper who make six figures.  As I write this, the guy in the office next to me is reading the NY Times and won't be "working" for another hour or so.

I think making money is more a matter of opportunity, ability, and luck than a simple case of hard work.

The thing about college is that its the last time that everybody is pretty much equal.  Once they get that B.A. degree, they enter the economic class system.  Some continue their education as a way to improve the economic opportunities available to them in the future.  Others enter the workforce to take advantage of economic opportunities available at the present.  Others enter the workforce and muddle along as best they can based on what's available.

Never associate failure with laziness.  I know a lot of smart, hard-working, well-educated people who've lost their money due to a change in their markets.

Now about this "take from the rich and give to the poor" thing in the first post, that's more an example of Marxist communism than Democratic Party thinking.

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2003, 09:24:33 AM »
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Oh,was that what that was all about?

So the whole thing was a cut and paste job because he saw an opportunity to take a shot at GWB?


Yeah pretty much.  Seems that's what Nexus does to a lot of threads, turn them into a shot at GW.  All politicians live in glass houses anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2003, 09:33:54 AM »
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Yeah pretty much.  Seems that's what Nexus does to a lot of threads, turn them into a shot at GW.  All politicians live in glass houses anyway.


I don't understand how people can think any other way. When making a decision, the first person every politico things of is himself or herself. Simple fact. Dem or Rep. Washington cares about Washington. If the needs of Congress happen to conincide with the needs of the people, hey Bonus!

Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves. If it makes a good hobby to spend time turning GWB into the Anti-christ...hey, knock yourself out. Me? I'll keep on being cynical and voting for the guy who looks the most harmless to my well being.

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2003, 09:53:00 AM »
As an analogy let's say that... the US becomes a CASH only economy... no more credit...

In order to buy a house, one has to have CASH up front... well, only those who have money will be able to afford a house.... the rest will be renting. and may or may not ever be able to save enough money in their life time to own a house...

People with ideas for new inventions would not be able to get R&D money ... again many new ideas will not happen...

A lot of businesses wanting to grow and bring their products to more people would not be able too or would not be able as fast.

The economy would not grow as fast... the standard of living and wealth would not flurish as well as it does today in our current system of credit.

In short the 'Haves' will acquire more, and the 'Have nots' will have less.

The opportunity to go to college is like credit... it is an investment in the potentional of individuals... each individual has the potentional to do great things... not all do... yet many do, and the benifits of an educated society out way the disadvantages of an impoverished ignorant society.

It makes sense from a business point of view also. If hi-tech companies want to sell their hi-tech products, they need a saavy hi-tech consumer who makes good money to afford their product.

"All boats rise on the incoming tide".... (JFK)

Saying that only those who can afford college deserve to go to college is rather short sighted.

Dubya went to college and he's an example of someone in the 'HAVEs' and he's hasn't done much good for any one. He and the Republican party, basically are crooks... His hard work involves stealing from every one else and giving to himself.

Hardly noble characteristics.

I wonder if Kenneth Lay is a Republican? I betcha he is!