Reading, Writing, RFID

[Sandman]

http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,60898,00.html

At the risk of having my ACLU card yanked, I think it's a good idea.

[capt. apathy]

what kind of privacy protection is there on this thing?  can your local pedophile just get himself a scanner and find out things on the kid like, name, address, home phone, time the kid usually arives and leaves school, mother and fathers place of work(to find when the kid will be alone and vulnerable.

if they store them at the school and the kids pick them up in the morning and drop them off on the way out the door then it's a great cost saving idea, and I see no more privacy violations than student ID, except much more cheaper and efficient tracking.

however if they are carrying them to and from school, then I wouldn't want my girls wearing them.

[gofaster]

The school spent $25,000 on the ID system. The $3 ID tags students wear around their necks at all times incorporate the same Texas Instruments smart labels used in the wristbands worn by inmates at the Pima County jail in Texas.

Having them around the kid's neck doesn't sound very efficient.  The kid could just take it off, or a perv could grab the kid and throw the RFID on the ground.  The school would be out $3 and would have accomplished absolutely nothing.

I think a better idea would be to have the RFID subcutaneously imbedded in the back of the kid's neck, just below the skin, like the aliens did to me back in '83.  

[Gadfly]

So as long as you have one sucker to wear the badges, everyone else can play hookey?  Cool!

[midnight Target]

MArk of the Beast I tell ya!!


REPENT!!!!

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,60898,00.html

At the risk of having my ACLU card yanked, I think it's a good idea.

I'd join the ACLU just to fight this.  

Read about this technology a few months ago (Popular Science I think).  The idea of these tags being on various things I may buy sounds like a terrible idea.  Sure, use them in your store, but it better be gone when I leave.

[capt. apathy]

Sure, use them in your store, but it better be gone when I leave.

good point I completely missed the product angle.

would be great for burglers if all new purchases had them.  just scan the houses and see which ones are worth the trouble.

[Sandman]

I guess I should clarify...

I don't trust the school, the teachers, the other children... none of them.


If the school can track my children's movements during a day, fine by me. In addition, I want the faculty and every other child to wear one of these things.


I have my reasons. Last year, my son was in eight grade. During the regular school day, his english teacher pulled him out of another class to "talk to him". This (male) teacher then took him to another room where he began to touch my son inappropriately. We filed a report with the police and just this month, the teacher plead guilty to multiple offenses. He is now a registered sex offender.


I'm probably not at all objective on this...

[Tarmac]

Ok I can see the use there, Sandman.  

I might support it if it were voluntary, or if the kid had to scan it instead of simply being scanned, or if the tags were all left at school when the bell rang as someone already suggested.

[capt. apathy]

I guess I should clarify...

I don't trust the school, the teachers, the other children... none of them.


If the school can track my children's movements during a day, fine by me. In addition, I want the faculty and every other child to wear one of these things.


I have my reasons. Last year, my son was in eight grade. During the regular school day, his english teacher pulled him out of another class to "talk to him". This (male) teacher then took him to another room where he began to touch my son inappropriately. We filed a report with the police and just this month, the teacher plead guilty to multiple offenses. He is now a registered sex offender.


I'm probably not at all objective on this...

something like that would deffinately change your perspective on school security.  congratulations on the self control not to kill him and cost your son a father.

I'm at a loss though to see how this system would have made any difference in that situation.  the only benifit I could see is it would prove that they where both alone in the room at the same time.  which would help, I guess, if the other teacher covered for him and denied releasing your son to him,  but then you have a whole class of students to testify if it came to that.

[ra]

OTOH, the molesting teacher could leave his badge in one room and take the kid into another room to molest him.  In that case the badge would help him beat the rap.

[Twist]

There is an interesting self defense course offered in many cities that teaches kids how to handle situations like the one mentioned above. They show the kids how to defeat a would be attacker by doing everything most attackers don't want them to do. I'm talking about screaming, dropping to the floor and using their legs etc. Both my kids have taken it and have been enrolled in Karate class for some time, though not at the present time.

A short time later, on the return leg of a long bus ride some kid decided to 'mess' with my daughter. Bad move, she literally kicked the crap out of him in the back of the bus. No amount of technology,short of a stun gun, would have helped her, so she helped herself with what she knew. They made her the 'bad guy' (because the kid was hurtin') and expelled her. Only the threat of a lawsuit pursuaded them to allow her to return to school. (pre-paid legal service rocks)

I guess what I'm getting at is that no matter how much we try to help our kids with gadgets and gizmo's, we will fail in the end if we do not teach them to take care of themselves. These devices should not be used as a solution, but rather as a backup or aid.

Kudos to you Sandman for the way you handled things......as for myself, I had to be 'restrained.'

[capt. apathy]

all of my kids where taught things that they can do in a bad situation from as soon as they where old enough to comprehend it.

especially abduction situations.  things like if you're stuck in the trunk of a car pull the wires to the taillights to improve the odds of being pulled over, the most painfull places to hit someone,  etc.

the worst are the situations sandman discribed though, with someone the kid trusts so they don't realize they are in danger until they are in a setting of the POS choosing.  then the most important thing is to make sure they know befoe hand that these things can happen and it's important to tell (at least the guy won't get another victim.)

[AKIron]

Originally posted by midnight Target
MArk of the Beast I tell ya!!


REPENT!!!!

No man, that's your VISA.

VI is 6 in Roman Numerals
S was 6 in ancient Egypt
A was 6 in Sanskrit

[Mini D]

We've been using this system at work for about 3 years now.  There are some serious misconceptions about it.

It is the equivelant of a magnetic strip for all intents and purposes.  I've seen some very good detectors that can pick up the chip from up to 3 feet away, but those were massive in size.  It is not something that can be used to track movement.

It can be used to control and monitor and control entrance/exit to a building or room quite effectively.  Depending on the security and database setup... you can have a monitor that pulls up the picture of the card holder when the card is touched to a detector in order to confirm their appearance.

For controlling entrance into a building, there really is nothing better out there right now.  This is fast efficient and easily tied into databases.  Its also realatively indestructable.  Where magnetic strips used to wear off... the chips are completely protected and never contact anything.

This can easily replace the student body card that is normally given.

MiniD