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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2003, 12:42:54 PM »
Your squad isn’t special and maybe no one cares what you all want. Have you thought of that? You certainly can whine about it all you want and do. But like Brady said, "piss off".

The 109s aren’t featured any more then any other plane. Hell if anything Pac set-ups were run quite regularly over past few months. This is Jester's setup that he ran at the request of Camo. So I guess you are whining about him again.

But your tard bud isn’t complaining about 109s. He mentioned the Soccer War set up. Which was another player request. Or are you adding a separate whine about this setup?

So much for your pals "Taxation without Representation" non-sense.

I don’t care if you like my criticism or not. Don’t read it. I know exactly where my criticism is aimed. It’s not at the common folk because you and yours aren’t the common folk. You are whiners.

Clear enough?

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2003, 12:42:55 PM »
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How many of the CT staffers actually fly in the CT on a regular basis? And I mean "fly" not man AA guns.  

I know of one that does, but am doubtful of a couple others.

How does one become a CT staffer?


Not like this, I can assure you.  I've got to call you on this one, Bug.  Regarding your baseless assursion that the CT staff is not spending regular time flying in the CT, that's pretty silly.  I see the other CT staffers on-line way more than I see you, but that's an irrelavent yard-stick to measure the CT Staff's worth.  And unless you're regularly on-line, like 24/7, you're blowing smoke with this charge.  Checking kills and sorties is likewise not representative, as I and other CT staffers often check in without flying, though we've flown at least some in every set up.  If it's an identical set up as has been run previously, and it's not our turn to monitor it, we may be more scarce...but we're not absent.

As for Brady, well...what he lacks in tact (and we constantly harass him on that:)), he makes up for in passion for his subject.  It has been my pleasure to work with him for the past year or more.  Likewise Jester, Eddiek, Andijg, and Jarbo. , guys!
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2003, 01:59:41 PM »
"The 109s aren’t featured any more then any other plane."

That shows just how out of touch you really are, not surprising seeing your 15 min in the CT in the last 2 months. Your sole purpose in sticking around the CT board seems to be to promote your childish anti-allied rants.

As for my squad, at least I have one.

Clear enough, Lederhosen boy? go fly an LA-7.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2003, 02:02:34 PM by Squire »
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2003, 02:51:03 PM »
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Lederhosen boy? go fly an LA-7


Ouch, that really hurts :rolleyes:

I dont fly AH at all let alone the CT. The CT has become a displaced persons camp for main refugees. The same gameplay and the same whines. I never thought I would see a guy whining about the 109. Go look up how many 109s were produced and on how many fronts it served.

As for your squad, a squad of whiners is nothing to be proud of. I built  up several squads in AH. You can check through the squad scores to see for yourself. Most of them are in III./JG2 or they are flying with in festers squad.

4./JG53 had 10 pilots. I closed it down because I dont fly ah. Both Brady and Fork were in "my squad". I should stayed then 3 of the ct cms would have been in the same squad. I can imagine your whining then. :p
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2003, 03:37:02 PM »
Well Warlock - exactly what aircraft are YOU wanting featured? I take it it is the Seafire or Corsair as that seems to be 880 Sq.'s main ride.

FYI, before I was requested by Camo to put up this Fin/Rus set-up for their Air Museum event I was going to run the NORWAY 44 set-up so we could bring the Seafire & Corsairs out as well as the late model Spits and Typhoons. The reason for the ETO was the simple fact we had just done a PTO not long ago before the Soccer War.

Also FYI, while I won't elaborate on the details, fans of "Big Blue" will be MOST PLEASED with Eddiek's next set-up so that angle won't wash either.

The CT Staff try to work it where everone gets to fly their favorites. In fact I personally keep the log of every CT event that has been run since the first of the year so we will know the subjects of the latest run events.
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2003, 04:13:03 PM »
Tactless or not, perhaps TheBug has a valid issue.  I fly the CT pretty much exclusively.  (I resorted to the MA only briefly during the Soccer War).  When I do notice a staffer online, with the occasional acception it's usually not doing what I do most ... and that's flying fighters.  Perhaps it wouldn't hurt to have a regular staffer who's purely a fighter jock and flies often?

Much is made of the CT staff being 'volunteer.'  

It would appear that at least two current staffers are having serious time/conflict/access issues.  And then there was all the wailing and nashing of teeth over the recent resignation/return of one staffer over online bashing.

Now you have at least one person stepping forward, offering to put up with the watermelon -- knowing full well it's no picnic.  If the current staffers are so attached to the job that they don't want to step aside for "new blood,"  how about changing the rotation to 5 instead of 4?  Who knows?  It might add a new dimension to the offerings ... and it would give you a buffer for the next time someone quits over the crap the community inevitably deals out.

These are my impressions, anyway.  You might see things differently, and that's fine.  :cool:

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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2003, 06:09:42 PM »
No wonder MA #'s are 10 times greater than CT #'s. Every time a player brings up an isssue (or whine as you call it) the CT staff
(or at least some of them) adress the issue by telling the player to "piss off", "bite me", or calling them whiners. Give your heads a shake! If you worked or represented my company, & treated paying customers in this manner, your "prettythang" would be out the door with my boot stuck up it in short order. I'm not one to vent my frustrations on the BBS, but calling 880 a squad of whiners is WAY out line.....
MY suggestion is to spend more time satisfying (or at least trying too) the paying customer, and less time bashing them or defending yourself.

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2003, 06:40:51 PM »
Jester.

I supported your setup while others attacked you, and I have never said anything negative about you, or your work, on ch.1, or on the BBS.

As for the rest of it, thats between me and "other posters" here.

As for setups, I have made several suggestions, and posted them.

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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2003, 07:34:15 PM »
First off my opinion is my opinion and I will speak it if and when I chose, as I surely do hope all CT'ers would.

Count off your hours, tell me how I'm hardly in the CT or maybe a "piss off" suits your style.  But none of that will cover up the bad job or should I say lack of a job the CT staff seems to be doing in my eyes.

The fact this thread came around to arguing setups, what planes should be included, who whines for what, blah blah blah.....
Is the surest sign to me that the CT staff is in a rut, a changing of the guard is in order.

My point had NOTHING to do with setups or planes or perks, well other than the fact that this all the CT has become.  Hell we could almost automate the CT staffers job, rotate the maps every Friday and maybe every other month use a random number generator to pick the planeset.  Can't say that you'd be missed.

My goal was to develop a better community in the CT.  Maybe a website for the CT, where articles on tactics could be posted, screen shots, AAR's from the last week's setup etc. etc..

Maybe a CT staffer organizing a "Mission night" organizing the CT squads and individuals that are interested in  something more than a furball.

These are just a couple ideas, but they both are something that I haven't seen from the CT staff in quite awhile, involvement and enthusiasm.  And maybe a little thinking out of the box.  Either you don't have the time or the desire to take it to that level so once again I say step aside and let those that have a higher level of interest in the CT take a chance.

Lastly who the foghat is Batz??  Is he Brady's love child or something?  Is he Smithers to Brady's Mr Burns??  Doesn't anyone else find that relationship a little disturbing??
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2003, 09:15:59 PM »
Batz is a good friend of mine sowome who I have flow extensively with and have know for quiet some time now, we have been in the same squads and have worked together in two of the past two Event's Guadacanal and Okinawal, whear I was CO and he was XO and Vis Versa respectively for the Empire. I respect his openion and Him and while we dont always agree on everything we do see eye to eye on many issues, He was also a CT Staffer at one time.


   Bug their is much time and effort that goes into What I personaly do for the CT that is in no way meashurable, countless horus working with map makers and doing reserch for those maps and for Skins and for set up's, literly hunderds of hours this year alone, you have no clue.


      While recently it is true I have little time in the CT do to my real world constraints I have still kept up with my work for the CT, I give up my flight time to keep that up when I am crunched for time.

 Sabrs right I am quiet tactless at times and I will continue to be so I suspect, I have found It quiet difficult to get anywhear when one is tooo diplomatic and were hear to make good set up's not blow smoke up each other's but, I think you comments above reflect how little apreation you have of the work that goes on behind the sceans and of how much experance I have and the other staffers have both in the air and in the creation of these set up's, I am a very experanced player in everything, I dont say that lightly or with any reservation.

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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2003, 10:16:49 PM »
Warloc, you misunderstand me I think. I was "ASKING" for a suggestion in the above post. I don't pretend to "See all, Know All" or have all the answers. You may have a good idea I can put into play. E-Mail me.

The rest of the info on the post was just for the info of the CT regulars.

Tks for the support - ANY positive is always appreciated. !
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« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2003, 10:25:14 PM »
I politely disagree with you Brady.
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2003, 05:26:11 AM »
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As for your squad, a squad of whiners is nothing to be proud of.

Besides being complete BS, that was totally uncalled for, but considering the source I'm not surprised.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2003, 06:22:00 AM »
To answer the original question, I do frequent the CT regularly, and I do fly.  I fly fighters 99% of the time, as that is where my interests lie.
You want to know how to become a CT staff member?  When an opening comes up, you contact the CT staff and Skuzzy and Pyro, and let them know, send in an email telling them your experience in Aces High and what your goal(s) is should you become a member of the CT staff.  It is up to Pyro and Skuzzy to select who is on the staff, not us.
Then, after you are selected, you learn the ropes of setting up the arena, you try and come up with setups that are fun for players, you try to achieve some semblance of balance, you submit it to the other staff members for debate or discussion, then you post your proposed setup here in the public forum.

THEN..........when your turn comes up, you go in and begin making the changes to the arena.  You spend time going over all the bases and getting everything just right (you hope) and you open the arena to the players.
You come back here and read all the flames and negativity from the players, and you ask yourself "Now what the heck was I thinking, taking this job on anyway?"
Then you go back into the arena about a million times over the week to make sure things are running smoothly and the players are happy and having fun.  Some are, some aren't.  Again, you question your sanity in ever taking on the job of being a staff member.
Staff members are not always on the same page when it comes to the setups.  We are not BORG, we are not hardwired into one another's brains.  I find myself 180 degrees out of synch with some staff members when we talk about setups, but we stick together in public and try to present a unified front.  

Real life sometimes bites US on the butts, too.  Lately, I have been travelling so much with my job that I rarely have the energy, much less the time, to log in and play for long.  
Small facts I have discovered while I have been on the staff:
1) The CT numbers have always and will probably always remain less than the MA numbers, due to folks wanting to fly whatever they want when they want, and due to the different settings in the arena, i.e. reduced icon ranges, etc.
2) No setup has EVER pleased everyone completely.  There have always been and will always be detractors who chime in and give the usual "this setup sucks" comments.  You have to grow a thick skin and get used to it, or give up the position on the staff.  If you don't, it will drive you nuts.
3) Setups that failed before to draw good attendance numbers the first time are still worth trying again.  The AH playerbase is a dynamic one, and changes monthly, if not weekly.  Making a few subtle or not so subtle changes can make a world of difference in how players perceive the setups, and that alone affects attendance as much as the big stuff.
4)  Players want to be heard, and listened to, and dealt with as people and players.  I appreciate feedback from the players, and I try to gather all the feedback and make sense of it and improve my future setups.  Sometimes I am not able to improve things, due to lack of more planes, incorrect or unavailable terrains, etc.
Players who feel they are being listened to and worked with on setups tend to be happier players, and draw more players into the arena.  
5)  Add facts #1-4 together and you arrive back at the "I musta been NUTS to take this on" mentality and you wanna quit and let someone else give it a try.

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2003, 09:18:01 AM »
well, yes to change the subject ....

can we get rid of nite in this setup and make dusk and dawn about 10 minutes long?
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