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Title: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: skribetm on July 06, 2010, 08:09:01 AM
.. are needed in the latest installment of AHII Scenarios, Philippine Phandango!

252 Kokutai IJN

(http://www.michael-reimer.com/CFS2/CFS2_Profiles/PTO_IJN_Aircraft_%28Late_200s%29-Dateien/Mitsubishi%252520A6M5%252520M52%252520Rei-Sen%252520ZEKE%252520CFS_004.jpg)

Please see the scenario page for more details!

http://ahevents.org/scenario-registration.html (http://ahevents.org/scenario-registration.html)

Only the most aggressive, bravest and fiercest of warriors need apply.
But if you just registered yesterday, thats okay too!  :aok :aok :aok
We will instill in you the principles of bushido and the ways of your great samurai ancestors:
Loyalty, Honor, & Courage in the face of overwhelming odds!
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Fencer51 on July 06, 2010, 08:13:09 AM
Might want to read the actual scenario writeup as well..   "http://www.ahevents.org/scenario-current-or-next.html"
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Brooke on July 06, 2010, 10:12:57 AM
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/phandangoPromo.gif)
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Glen69 on July 06, 2010, 11:07:09 AM
Love Zekes  :aok

Work weekends  :cry

Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: 68Wooley on July 06, 2010, 11:09:02 AM
Zero's against B24's, P-47's, P-38's and Corsairs?


That should be err..challenging.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Brooke on July 06, 2010, 11:44:12 AM
Zero's against B24's, P-47's, P-38's and Corsairs?

Nope.  It's Zeros (A6M5b), N1K1's, Ki-84's, Ki-61's, and Ki-67's against FM-2's, P-47's, P-38's, Corsairs, B-25's, and B-24's, in various proportions.

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That should be err..challenging.

I think that the mix of aircraft will provide fun and challenge for both sides.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: fbWldcat on July 06, 2010, 11:57:11 AM
Hmmm..... Yesss....

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a59/katsuko2/old%20funny%20pics/Frog.jpg)

Zeke pilots unite! I would join the ranks if only my router wasn't fried.  :noid
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Lusche on July 06, 2010, 12:01:04 PM
Nope.  It's Zeros (A6M5b), N1K1's, Ki-84's, Ki-61's, and Ki-67's against FM-2's, P-47's, P-38's, Corsairs, B-25's, and B-24's, in various proportions.

Also B-24s (Ki-67s as well) are limited to 16,000ft maximum altitude, which is keeping them out of the "untouchable" range for Japanese fighters.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: fbWldcat on July 06, 2010, 12:03:44 PM
Also B-24s (Ki-67s as well) are limited to 16,000ft maximum altitude, which is keeping them out of the "untouchable" range for Japanese fighters.

That should make it at least a decent fight, not a one-sided stall fight.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: BoilerDown on July 06, 2010, 12:45:35 PM
N1Ks in a scenario with no other aircraft with a MA ENY below... what... the F4Us are 15?  If I didn't fly for the Empire in the last scenario I participated in, I'd be signing up for that.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Lusche on July 06, 2010, 12:47:20 PM
N1Ks in a scenario with no other aircraft with a MA ENY below... what... the F4Us are 15? 

You can't use the MA ENY number as a guide for performance in a scenario.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: BoilerDown on July 06, 2010, 01:08:55 PM
You can't use the MA ENY number as a guide for performance in a scenario.
In this case you can.  Obviously its bad if you fly your Niki to altitudes it shouldn't be fighting at, but as long as the missions are designed properly, the Nikis will dominate.  As I recall the Nikis are on a lot of ground attack missions, which means they will be right in their best performance altitudes, whereas most of the allied aircraft will be in their worst.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Lusche on July 06, 2010, 01:23:33 PM
In this case you can.  Obviously its bad if you fly your Niki to altitudes it shouldn't be fighting at, but as long as the missions are designed properly, the Nikis will dominate.  As I recall the Nikis are on a lot of ground attack missions, which means they will be right in their best performance altitudes, whereas most of the allied aircraft will be in their worst.



Scenario fights are still quite different from MA brawls. Higher unit cohesion and more proper real world tactics quite often lead to results more similar to RW ones. In this case, the agility of N1ks can much better be countered by keeping speed up and using wingman tactics, just like the allied pilots did in the real thing.
This isnt only theory, but has been experienced in many scenarios.


I'm not saying the N1K isn't very dangerous... but the MA ENY number is just that.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: jolly22 on July 06, 2010, 01:29:27 PM
I can't get into the sight to register, once i register i cant do anything else.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: BoilerDown on July 06, 2010, 01:45:58 PM
Scenario fights are still quite different from MA brawls. Higher unit cohesion and more proper real world tactics quite often lead to results more similar to RW ones. In this case, the agility of N1ks can much better be countered by keeping speed up and using wingman tactics, just like the allied pilots did in the real thing.
This isnt only theory, but has been experienced in many scenarios.


I'm not saying the N1K isn't very dangerous... but the MA ENY number is just that.
/shrug.  My point is still valid.  As long as the N1K is flown at the right altitudes its the best aircraft in the scenario at those altitudes and it isn't close.  Now if the pilots or tactics aren't equal, then of course that can change the outcome, but who is to say which side will have the upper hand in that case?  I prefer to compare apples to apples, personally.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Lusche on July 06, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
/shrug.  My point is still valid.  As long as the N1K is flown at the right altitudes its the best aircraft in the scenario at those altitudes and it isn't close.  Now if the pilots or tactics aren't equal, then of course that can change the outcome, but who is to say which side will have the upper hand in that case? 


You are entirely missing my point. By a mile at least. You basically even ignored what I wrote. And no, I didn't even try to say which side will have the upper hand.

Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: skribetm on July 06, 2010, 04:06:29 PM
american pilots only gun n run. they do not like to tangle up close and personal.
because they know the japanese planes are superior in REAL dogfights.

with the exception of those fork-tailed helicopters.  :t :t :t
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: 68Wooley on July 06, 2010, 06:36:03 PM
Nope.  It's Zeros (A6M5b), N1K1's, Ki-84's, Ki-61's, and Ki-67's against FM-2's, P-47's, P-38's, Corsairs, B-25's, and B-24's, in various proportions.

I think that the mix of aircraft will provide fun and challenge for both sides.


The OP specifically asked for Zeke pilots. I wasn't commenting on the overall balance of the scenario (which seems pretty reasonable), I was specifically pointing out that flying Zeke's against that Allied plane-set will be tough. They have a hard enough time against P40's and P39's in FSO.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: froger on July 06, 2010, 06:40:50 PM
Hmmm..... Yesss....

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a59/katsuko2/old%20funny%20pics/Frog.jpg)

Zeke pilots unite! I would join the ranks if only my router wasn't fried.  :noid


Though i am not crossing the road this is an excellent picture of me resting on a log.


best of luck,

froger 
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Brooke on July 06, 2010, 06:55:44 PM

The OP specifically asked for Zeke pilots. I wasn't commenting on the overall balance of the scenario (which seems pretty reasonable), I was specifically pointing out that flying Zeke's against that Allied plane-set will be tough. They have a hard enough time against P40's and P39's in FSO.

It will depend on the fights in this one.  If it's just a squadron of Zeros vs. some other squadron of Corsairs, etc., yes, that could be tough on the Zero pilots (depending on how they are flown, of course).  If it's just a squadron of Zeros vs. a like number of FM-2's, it will be a good fight, with the edge to the A6M5b's, in my opinion.  If it's some Zeros, N1K1's, and Ki-84's vs. American planes, then it will be a good fight and plenty challenging for the American planes.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: TinmanX on July 06, 2010, 07:05:32 PM
Feh!

Click activation link after signing up for yet another account... Why this isn't all tied into to a central db I don't know. 3 different accounts for one game? Seriously?

Anyway, activation link is a bust, try and log in it says I haven't activated, use activation link and it says it's invalid. Done trying now. Thanks for the finger work-out.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: 321BAR on July 06, 2010, 10:07:56 PM
isn't it surprising it took me almost two full pages to respond to this thread? :D is this a walk on? too lazy to read the links. not enough time to
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: phatzo on July 07, 2010, 12:39:26 AM
isn't it surprising it took me almost two full pages to respond to this thread? :D is this a walk on? too lazy to read the links. not enough time to
you can walk on but no guarantee what you will get. If you want a Zeke, register. If you do register be prepared to be F4u'd.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: skribetm on July 07, 2010, 03:49:25 AM
If you want a Zeke, register. If you do register be prepared to be F4u'd.

bring it!  :devil :devil :devil
the only trouble with corsairs is theyre "extending" all the time!
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: skribetm on July 07, 2010, 06:11:21 PM
4/10 slots filled. 252 Kokutai: Pez, JRjolly, sevnty, Molsman
6 more zeke specialists needed. our primary objective will be to provide fighter cover.
our squadron will likely see multiple enemy incursions, likely to be B-24's & B-38's, F4U's & FM-2's.
an abundance of easy targets! come join the slaughter now!

http://www.ahevents.org/scenario-registration.html (http://www.ahevents.org/scenario-registration.html)
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Brooke on July 09, 2010, 03:44:00 AM
Feh!

Click activation link after signing up for yet another account... Why this isn't all tied into to a central db I don't know. 3 different accounts for one game? Seriously?

Anyway, activation link is a bust, try and log in it says I haven't activated, use activation link and it says it's invalid. Done trying now. Thanks for the finger work-out.

The ahevents.org site is a site maintained by the volunteers who put on special events.  They aren't HTC employees, and ahevents.org isn't an HTC site.  So, there is no integration of all the DB's.

I'll ask the admins to look into it to see if there is some problem with the new site somewhere.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 09, 2010, 04:13:51 AM
Feh!

Click activation link after signing up for yet another account... Why this isn't all tied into to a central db I don't know. 3 different accounts for one game? Seriously?

Anyway, activation link is a bust, try and log in it says I haven't activated, use activation link and it says it's invalid. Done trying now. Thanks for the finger work-out.

Sounds like someone missed their nap time :aok
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Greziz on July 09, 2010, 06:39:57 AM
Niki's Lol Almost every single american vs japanese fso I have participated in the top japanese plane was the ki's followed by niki then bottomed out with the poor zero...... Don't let that last sentence fool you though the american birds normally mince up the japanese especially in mariana's turkey shoot. I was top japanese ace with 4 KILLS! americans top ace had like 15 or something in and f6f a 15 eny plane that is widely ignored in the ma's
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: TinmanX on July 09, 2010, 11:59:23 AM
Sounds like someone missed their nap time :aok
That's your contribution to this topic? Back under the bridge troll, the goats are coming.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: skribetm on July 09, 2010, 01:29:52 PM
k guys, dont tell me that in all of AHII-land there are only FOUR loons who will ride the zero and fight blenders, jugs, fm-2's and f-15's?
come join the elite, the few, the proud, the IJN samurai pilots!!!
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Fencer51 on July 09, 2010, 06:58:00 PM
k guys, dont tell me that in all of AHII-land there are only FOUR loons who will ride the zero and fight blenders, jugs, fm-2's and f-15's?
come join the elite, the few, the proud, the IJN samurai pilots!!!

F-15s?

(http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/.Pictures/topcover/JASDF/F15J7w.jpg)
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 09, 2010, 07:13:16 PM
That's your contribution to this topic? Back under the bridge troll, the goats are coming.

So it's not just about the sheep? 

Seriously, what's wrong with you?  These guys go out of their way to volunteer their time to make your experience better and panty bunched whine is all you can manage?  How about manning up and stop peeing in their cornflakes? 
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: TinmanX on July 09, 2010, 08:07:02 PM
Can't register for the event. Let them know in the thread that was started asking folks to register for the event. That's peeing in cornflakes?

The other point. I build both databases and database driven web applications for a living and this scenario we have here; having one account for the game, one for the boards, another for registering for events organized for the game on these boards is the most inefficient waste of server power I've ever come across in years and years. I'm not detracting for volunteer work at all. It's the paid staff that humped the pooch on that one.

There's nothing wrong with me. Go dry hump a different ankle.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: whipster22 on July 09, 2010, 08:55:36 PM
F-15s?

(http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/.Pictures/topcover/JASDF/F15J7w.jpg)


I love that those are Japanese F-15
:noid
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Brooke on July 10, 2010, 12:06:48 AM
The other point. I build both databases and database driven web applications for a living and this scenario we have here; having one account for the game, one for the boards, another for registering for events organized for the game on these boards is the most inefficient waste of server power I've ever come across in years and years. I'm not detracting for volunteer work at all. It's the paid staff that humped the pooch on that one.

As I mentioned, ahevents.org is a volunteer site.  There is no paid staff, and the site doesn't belong to HTC.  HTC is not going to give a volunteer site controlled by people whom they don't employ or have control over access to their user DB.  That would not only be unwise in general business terms, but it would probably violate privacy policies.

If you are willing to volunteer your time to help with the ahevents.org site, please contact forHIM and 68Lurch.  They might welcome the additional manpower.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Brooke on July 10, 2010, 12:09:07 AM
k guys, dont tell me that in all of AHII-land there are only FOUR loons who will ride the zero and fight blenders, jugs, fm-2's and f-15's?
come join the elite, the few, the proud, the IJN samurai pilots!!!

I would join you, Skribetm!  I am flying Ki-67's, though, for the Emperor.  I was -->||<-- this close to registering for Zeros, though.

The a6m5b can be an awesome plane in circumstances like we will probably find in Philippine Phandango, I think.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: TinmanX on July 10, 2010, 12:29:56 AM
NVM, forget it.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Brooke on July 10, 2010, 01:40:27 AM
NVM, forget it.

How about contacting forHIM and 68Lurch?  If you have admin skills and can manage a Joomla site along with custom code that does things like parse event logs, manage registration, etc., that could be very useful to the guys.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: TinmanX on July 10, 2010, 02:45:26 AM
Because it wouldn't be appropriate to volunteer for something I no longer intend to participate in.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Brooke on July 10, 2010, 03:10:27 AM
Because it wouldn't be appropriate to volunteer for something I no longer intend to participate in.

ahevents.org isn't used just for this single scenario.  It's for all scenarios and all special events (FSO's, SEC's, Air Racing, Snapshots, King of the Hill, Heavy Metal Sundays, This Day in WWII).

It's OK, though.  Volunteering shouldn't happen because of convincing or external factors.  If it's not for you, then it's not for you, and that's OK.

I think it's unfortunate that you won't play in a scenario because of troubles with registration, though.  I hope you fly with us the next one.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: skribetm on July 10, 2010, 06:27:49 AM
F-15s?

 :rofl i meant to say f-4u's but theyre just about as fast once theyre in my zero's gunsights!
ki-67s! good luck and sink em all brooke! give the yank navy another defeat as painful as the battle of savo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Savo_Island)!

tinmanx, wish you would join us.
white knuckle fights, 2 hour patrols with about 3 minutes of sheer TERROR!

MA got nothing on scenarios!
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: TinmanX on July 10, 2010, 11:39:11 AM
ahevents.org isn't used just for this single scenario.  It's for all scenarios and all special events (FSO's, SEC's, Air Racing, Snapshots, King of the Hill, Heavy Metal Sundays, This Day in WWII).

It's OK, though.  Volunteering shouldn't happen because of convincing or external factors.  If it's not for you, then it's not for you, and that's OK.

I think it's unfortunate that you won't play in a scenario because of troubles with registration, though.  I hope you fly with us the next one.
Perhaps I should have been more specific. I do not intend to participate in any future scenario or special event and that decision is not based upon the failure of an automated email system or the activation links it provides.
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: skribetm on July 10, 2010, 12:46:04 PM
Perhaps I should have been more specific. I do not intend to participate in any future scenario or special event and that decision is not based upon the failure of an automated email system or the activation links it provides.

awwwwwww c'mon!!!
we can slaughter these putrid smelling corsairs, jugs & blenders ourselves.
but we'd like to share the fun with other zero dweebs out there!
zeke dweebs FTW!
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: Rino on July 10, 2010, 01:00:21 PM
     Sounds like someone got into Dad's good sake  :D
Title: Re: zeke fighter pilots
Post by: skribetm on July 18, 2010, 03:45:09 PM
six slots still open!
for all four frames-
this squad will be right in the thick of battle!

patrolling the hotly contested visayan sea!

(http://salbehe.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/boracay_palm_trees1.jpg)