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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Banshee7 on April 01, 2021, 09:04:04 AM
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First, I would like to offer my official apologies to "Skillet" as my comments about the upcoming topic apparently caused him to log out for the night. So, here's the scenario and topic of discussion:
Last night, I log into AH at approximately 8:00pm CST. I have been flying for the Knights as they have more consistently had the low numbers every time I log on. After surveying the map, there seemed to be a constant fight (furball if you will) between A45 and A22 (Rooks). So, I up in my cartoon airplane looking to enjoy a quick fight as I would not have long to fly for the evening. No sooner than I get over the base, a friendly Knight bomber drops the Fighter Hangars, thus killing the one and only fight. When I asked in country chat why we're killing the hangars at the only fight on the map, Skillet replies that he "has been here for nearly 20 years" and that I need to "go home and drink a Monster." It was then he informed me that "we take bases."
The problem with this scenario is no one ever tried to capture A22. They just dropped the hangars and killed the fight. When I asked Skillet where he was in leading the charge to capture A22, he got frustrated and logged. After the FH went down at 22, all the friendlies RTB'ed and the Rooks upped from another base, coming in from the edge of the stratosphere. A squad mate and I defended A45 from the oncoming horde, then the fight completely died, so I logged early.
I understand that the "name of the game" is base captures and "WiN ZeE WaR." But with the current numbers, the amount of good, big fights are null compared to the "good ole days." I am all for taking bases, but when I only have a limited time to fly, I usually want to jump right into the action.
I guess my reason for posting is not only to offer an apology to Skillet if my comments ruffled his feathers enough to cause him to log, but also to see if I am alone in this mindset? Am I just a crybaby that feels the need to rant? I don't like bashing other players game styles as that's the great thing about this game. There are so many options. I have thoroughly enjoyed my return to this great game, and this has been the first "bad" experience since coming back.
What are your thoughts? Are you a furballer, a base taker, or both?
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I can do both, but I prefer to furball...
That said, if I'm going to log in to get my dogfighting fix, I'll find it somewhere even if it requires daring, smack talk, or whatever works, rofl 🤣
I don't see anything wrong with what you posted in the event above
Hope this helps
TC
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I don't care either way, I'm not paying the other guys $15 so he can do what ever he wants.
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The game started as an A2A combat sim
It was then expanded to include everything it has now
I like the a2a and think the game should revolve around that but many most? think it is a gv, base capturing game now
Sometimes the two cannot exist together depending on map and numbers IMO
Eagler
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I don't care either way, I'm not paying the other guys $15 so he can do what ever he wants.
Wise words!
:salute
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I don't care either way, I'm not paying the other guys $15 so he can do what ever he wants.
Precisely, which is what set me off because he was suggesting that I need to do what he wanted.
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I fly Knight. I generally furball, which usually takes the form of defending if the enemy is trying to take a base. If we're making a genuine attempt to take a base, if it's not a steamroll and there appears to be enemy resistance, I will help. I fly to control airspace, and I generally go where I think it will be most useful. My favorite thing is to stuff an enemy base take attempt, then support a friendly base take with resistance, then furball. If there's absolutely nothing else going on and we are rolling bases unopposed, I will help there but that's not much fun.
What gets my back up, and it was what I saw out of Skillet last night, is self-appointed generals that don't get the support they demand whining and browbeating on country channel. Same with guys that get in over their heads and whine about not getting a six call. Appreciate support when you get it, but every other player here has their own stuff going on and it's not their responsibility to be at your beck and call.
The majority of people that play Knights just don't move mud all that often. If he's been here for 20 years, he's not tremendously observant as I've only been here for around 14, and I noticed it about 13 and a half years ago.
Wiley.
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No sooner than I get over the base, a friendly Knight bomber drops the Fighter Hangars, thus killing the one and only fight.
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Hey Banshee
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I've highlighted this sentence in your description as it is the only part I find objection to. If you were over their base it was not a fight. Not one that was looking very fair at the least.
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Hey Banshee
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I've highlighted this sentence in your description as it is the only part I find objection to. If you were over their base it was not a fight. Not one that was looking very fair at the least.
I should have worded it differently. By the time I made it to the fight, which was right over the water. The two bases were less than a sector apart.
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I don't care either way, I'm not paying the other guys $15 so he can do what ever he wants.
This sums it all up for me. While I am one of those "Win ZeE War" :D guys, & I will take what ever actions are necessary to do so, I do understand the desires of others being different. If a base take fight turns into just a furball, I will usually move on. If its a defensive situation for me, taking out the enemies means to attack is a viable option.
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I should have worded it differently. By the time I made it to the fight, which was right over the water. The two bases were less than a sector apart.
That's the frustrating part about the way this game works. There's little worse than heading toward a fight and watching the red bardar dwindle as you get closer, and finding 5 friendlies and 1 or 2 enemy still engaged when you get there. Then you get people griping about how it has turned into a vulch because the side that is prevailing has pushed them back over their ack.
Couple that with watching groups of enemy run away from you to their base ack/CV if you come in co-alt or higher it can make for a rough night of gameplay.
It's the price we pay for the freedom to do what we want as opposed to being led by the nose everywhere.
Wiley.
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Killing fighter hangers often will just thin targets for a bit, but if you see they are not trying to take the base, it will mean the red guys will start upping from a nearby base.
Very rare given during prime time that shutting down hangers will "kill fights" as much as vulched/camped fields would.
In that situation you were in last night, I would of gained some alt and head over to the nearest enemy field to try to bounce cons.
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In that situation you were in last night, I would of gained some alt and head over to the nearest enemy field to try to bounce cons.
I considered that, but the dar never really grew THAT much from the next base over. I launched with limited fuel looking for a quick fight.
When the hangars were downed, the few remaining guys were taken out, then...nothing. I had flown by several enemies but did not engage as they were already fighting someone.
Oh well. I was happy to log a sortie or two last night. I haven't played near as much as I'd like to.
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Like 20min after 22 FH (Rook field) were shut down, I went and shut down 45 (knight field) hangers in retaliation :devil
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I should have worded it differently. By the time I made it to the fight, which was right over the water. The two bases were less than a sector apart.
Well then in this case, I find the actions of this jabo fella disgraceful and worthy of shame! :D
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Like 20min after 22 FH (Rook field) were shut down, I went and shut down 45 (knight field) hangers in retaliation :devil
You were the B-24s? :rofl My squadmate and I literally knew what was about to happen. We really figured the rooks would take the base.
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The game started as an A2A combat sim
Sort of. When AW closed and I moved to AH, the AH emphasis on winning the map was something of a shock. I thought then, and think now, that this encourages vulching and ganging. OTOH, it's hard to argue with success. The "team player" and "what's the goal of the game" crowds wouldn't be here otherwise.
Like Banshee, I get irritated when someone sinks the carrier or kills the fighter hanger, but the fight does move somewhere else after that, so I try to stay philosophical about it.
- oldman
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You were the B-24s? :rofl My squadmate and I literally knew what was about to happen. We really figured the rooks would take the base.
Yep B24s are my jam. Yeah I thought we'd try to take the base since we had so much air power/cover. But, Rooks are a fickle bunch, I think we had a lot of people logging off around then as it was late-ish on a Wednesday night.
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I always make sure to call out whoever kills the FHs. Fortunately the bomber icon makes it quite easy. There's loads of other bases you can go bomb that have no outcome on the furball at hand. :)
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Bombers who kill FHs certainly don't know what they are doing if they are seriously trying to capture a base. Its far more crucial to take out VH and ord on base or take out the town.
I believe that killing FHs back in the day was one of the main reasons so many fighter pilots and squads became displeased with the game. The new base layout is a far better change. That said, it's still possible for bombers to ruin that fight. Many bomber pilots think that the place with the most action is solely geared toward base capture. What they fail to realize is that is just the place for the pick up fight. If you are a bomber pilot, it's always good to ask locally what's the most important thing to take out at the time.
If you really care about taking bases. It's best to be on a squad, or atleast ask a few in the game to team up to take bases. Other than that, you aren't gonna capture a base where people are just trying to find some fighter action. The knights are notorious for this. Skillet obviously didn't understand his teammates intentions and cost about 10 players their fun for the evening.
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I always make sure to call out whoever kills the FHs. Fortunately the bomber icon makes it quite easy. There's loads of other bases you can go bomb that have no outcome on the furball at hand. :)
This was exactly what I was thinking.
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I think shutting down all FH is kind of lame, especially on Friday nights an hour or two before FSO when everyone that isn't a regular is practicing a bit before FSO.
Yesterday is probably the first time in a year I shut down all FH and a VH at a base, and I just did it as a vengeance sortie.
Most of the time I try to let the tankers do their tank battles (I used to fly A20s all the time and be an annoying bomb****), fighters do their furball stuff, and me do my stuff, because AH like all multiplayer games is chaos and anarchy.
Also, setting up a good air superiority, kill VH, kill all autos on base first, then vulch, is way way way easier to do than to get all FH, BH, and the VH at a base, especially the 2-mile base that is A22 on yesterday's map.
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I can do both, but I prefer to furball...
I will do both.... but I dislike furballin outside of TT/FT areas. And I will drop Hangers/Pork all night long to kill a furball, in hope of turning it into a base capture.
In FR AW furballs was considered poor gameplay... at one time it was considered poor gameplay by many here... but AH has been slowly turning into an arcade game with the new generation of players.
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In FR AW furballs was considered poor gameplay
As opposed to what? That is not my recollection at all.
- oldman
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As opposed to what? That is not my recollection at all.
- oldman
Really! I thought we kinda lived for it!
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The anti furball crowd is what really killed it. Not a lot of people have the time to jabo and die after a 7 minute flight time to a base without doing anything. Plus you have to get alt, then watch out for that 19k p51 who can't fight worth a chit. People wanna fight other fighters, not play by themselves shooting immovable objects....
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Maybe the game is trying to be to much for too many...
CAV is a perfect example of this
His vision of this game is not mine or many I would guess but in his 30k super bomber he can affect/ruin the game for many others while he enjoys it his way
Eagler
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The problem is low population not who is doing what at a given base.
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The problem is low population not who is doing what at a given base.
I 100% agree, Way! When the numbers were up, there were multiple fights to choose from! It was just odd the way this fight died after the FHs had been taken down. And the only reason it died is because our country mates moved on. I think had more stayed to defend our base from the rook retaliation the fight would have continued.
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Being able to capture bases gives us a goal and drives fights. Sometimes we can just furball. Sometimes we can get in a contest to win the war. The set up here gives us options. That is one of the many reasons I fly Aces High and not one of the other games. We have this big playground with all these cools toys, and we get to decide how we play with them. In order for this to work, each of us has to respect the other player's choice.
As Wiley said, "It's the price we pay for the freedom to do what we want as opposed to being led by the nose everywhere."
So in Aces High we have some guys playing tag. Over here we have some guys playing hide-and-seek. Over here we have some guys playing capture the flag. Then we get people in the BBS, "Mr. Hitech. Those guys aren't playing tag with us they way they are supposed to. They're using the playground wrong. Make them stop!"
If those guys want to play tag, let them play tag. If those other guys are playing capture the flag, respect that and don't try to force them to play tag. Remember that a good game of tag can easily turn into capture the flag, and vice versa.
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Being able to capture bases gives us a goal and drives fights. Sometimes we can just furball. Sometimes we can get in a contest to win the war. The set up here gives us options. That is one of the many reasons I fly Aces High and not one of the other games. We have this big playground with all these cools toys, and we get to decide how we play with them. In order for this to work, each of us has to respect the other player's choice.
As Wiley said, "It's the price we pay for the freedom to do what we want as opposed to being led by the nose everywhere."
So in Aces High we have some guys playing tag. Over here we have some guys playing hide-and-seek. Over here we have some guys playing capture the flag. Then we get people in the BBS, "Mr. Hitech. Those guys aren't playing tag with us they way they are supposed to. They're using the playground wrong. Make them stop!"
If those guys want to play tag, let them play tag. If those other guys are playing capture the flag, respect that and don't try to force them to play tag. Remember that a good game of tag can easily turn into capture the flag, and vice versa.
Well said sir, you have summed it up exactly. :cheers:
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Several years ago I saw one of our bases being attacked. I headed toward the enemy base planning to kill the VH to help my teammates defend the base. Someone comes on the text buffer and types, "Mongoose. Don't touch that base."
"Why?" I ask. This is a logical question, since I am trying to help my teammates.
The reply was, "Don't be stupid. How long have you played this game?"
The answer is that I have played the game long enough to know that you don't talk to your teammates like that. The proper response would have been, "We have a good tank fight going on over here." Proper, respectful communication keeps it fun for all of us.
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The problem is low population not who is doing what at a given base.
True, but now that we've got the population situation we have, it has more of an impact than it used to. It's a side effect but it's more noticeable than it used to be.
Wiley.
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I uninstalled AH.
I do this every so often and reinstall.
Do i suffer from mental issues
Tip for today
Never apologies to anyone
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I uninstalled AH.
I do this every so often and reinstall.
Do i suffer from mental issues
Tip for today
Never apologies to anyone
Unless that anyone is your wife.
(https://www.majorgeeks.com/news/file/13801_!%20wfie%20argue%20majorgeeks.jpg)
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LOLZ :rofl
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I have not been flying since my equipment was destroyed. In any case some folks can fly for years and still not care about anyone else.
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The anti furball crowd is what really killed it. Not a lot of people have the time to jabo and die after a 7 minute flight time to a base without doing anything. Plus you have to get alt, then watch out for that 19k p51 who can't fight worth a chit. People wanna fight other fighters, not play by themselves shooting immovable objects....
Not everyone wants to just furball and new players just dont stand a chance against a vet in a dogfight. Since neither of us are paying for their account it's only fair to let them do what they want for their 15bucks.
:salute
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I have not been flying since my equipment was destroyed. In any case some folks can fly for years and still not care about anyone else.
What happened to your equipment? Did your new computer get trashed too?
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What happened to your equipment? Did your new computer get trashed too?
during the texas freeze, it was too cold outside to get ice cubes, so he got a hammer and broke pipes around the house looking for ice.
semp
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I see the logic!
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Sounds like his insurance is dragging their feet
Eagler
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The game started as an A2A combat sim
It was then expanded to include everything it has now
I like the a2a and think the game should revolve around that but many most? think it is a gv, base capturing game now
Sometimes the two cannot exist together depending on map and numbers IMO
Eagler
Used to be the day that base captures were done consistently without even one GV used.
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Used to be the day that base captures were done consistently without even one GV used.
Map with all mountain top bases only goons and planes can take
Sounds interesting
Eagler
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Both depending on how I feel, how many bases have active fights, how large/small the fights are etc...There’s a whole lot to the equation of what drives each of us to base take or furball.
Also sometimes (a lot lately) want to find a good GV spawn fight. The increase in trees has made that more difficult though.
Unless if someone is really harassed by others, I doubt that one person’s words/comments cause players to log out all that often. Probably has more to do with how much/little they are really enjoying things (life, work, play...)
:salute
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Sounds like his insurance is dragging their feet
Eagler
Insurance is doing great.... I was dragging my feet trying to find receipts for things. They have it all now.
I could just go buy all new gear without insurance input but I am not sure I will come back.... heck I have not even been coming to check the boards. LOL
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Hope you make it back Shuffler..miss your 38 in MNM
Heck you have yet to try it in VR
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Eagler
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Yeah, Shuffler, get your bad 38 self back in here! :salute
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The furball fun police squads are a hive of scum and villainy.
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if you dont like big dar vs big dar base takes, you might need to get that fever checked.
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Isn't this topic from 2005?
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Isn't this topic from 2005?
And from when I started flying with the LCA and 2008... and 2009... and so on
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