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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Nemisis on June 26, 2010, 06:26:32 PM
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Please limit the number of possitions fired with the "fire all" button to be limited to 2 (per bomber, not total). Honestly, its almost impossible to attack a group of 3 or more (if they are decent shots) the way it is now. Its like flying into a wall of bullets. You get pilot wounded, they kill your engine, or just go and shoot your wing off.
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The single .50's we have on the M4's tend to give a lot of damaged engines (I've given many, and I've been killed by them) or pilot wounds. Most bombers have 2 per mount, and that gives a total of 12 landing hits at convergence range. Still shouldn't be TOO much of a problem to kill something with them.
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lol, Put on your flack jacket son.
As a bomber pilot who regularly flies in large groups, I've seen how very possible it is for some to fly through the group and take out bombers. Death comes from greed and impatience. One person alone is probably not going to take out all the groups, but can certainly have an impact, it's your decision when to go home or continue the attack. Attack the right way and you will increase your chance of survival.
BTW, this is a classic example of, "this is too hard for me, fix it fix it fix it HTC!!" :furious
Edit again... Maybe we should only allow two fighters to fire when you get into a 1 v. 3 situation. You know, because they chose to work together and it's not at all your fault for choosing to engage.
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Please limit the number of possitions fired with the "fire all" button to be limited to 2 (per bomber, not total). Honestly, its almost impossible to attack a group of 3 or more (if they are decent shots) the way it is now. Its like flying into a wall of bullets. You get pilot wounded, they kill your engine, or just go and shoot your wing off.
Just for clarification before I draw my flamethrower: By "group of 3 or more" - do you mean a standard formation (player plane + 2 drones)?
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I always try to attack them from the front and sides. No doubt its possible, its just extremely difficult. Perhaps let them recruit a gunner, and that will let all possitions with a shot fire.
But my point is that anyone who has trouble killing with 12 .50's (often 15-16 counting the waist guns) isn't shooting strait. Multiply that by 3 and you have 36 .50's shooting at one aircraft.I'm fine with letting the bombers defend themselves, I just want it to be fair.
Take the 91'st for example; its galling when I can't get stop them, or even make them twitch, but I know its part of the game. I'll ask for help dealing with them before they kill all our hangers, and whine about unneeded hanger porking when they DO get the hangers, but I'm not about to start cussing them out on 200 or anything.
And lusche, I mean a group of 3 pilots with formations (9 bombers total, counting drones). You must admit that 36 .50's blazing away at a single aircraft is excessive. I do it with 4 often enough.
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But my point is that anyone who has trouble killing with 12 .50's (often 15-16 counting the waist guns) isn't shooting strait. Multiply that by 3 and you have 36 .50's shooting at one aircraft.I'm fine with letting the bombers defend themselves, I just want it to be fair.
The fallacy with this is that it's not possible for all the 17's guns to be firing at one plane at one time. Think about a strait down attack, the top turret is the only gun that can get on them. Even an attack from the dead six usually only fires the ball and tail turrets.
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Jayhawk, with a dead 6 attack, you have the tail/ball guns of your target plane firing, those on the drones, AND the waist guns on the drones. thats still 14 .50's firing on your plane in a worst case scenario.
I'm not saying that every bullet fired will hit, or that every gun firing will aim directly at you (as opposed to in your direction). Attacks would be suicide if they did. I'm just saying that there is still a hell of a lot of lead flying at you, and it doesn't take a whole lot to kill or serisouly damage fighters. I've had P-38's explode after I got one solid pass with a P-51B (4. 50's to put things in perspective)
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And lusche, I mean a group of 3 pilots with formations (9 bombers total, counting drones). You must admit that 36 .50's blazing away at a single aircraft is excessive. I do it with 4 often enough.
In that case I applaud the buff guys for being smart enough and able to do such a thing. The utter majority of buff guys are flying single, with an additional percentage of players trying to fly in formation...but failing at it.
Limiting the number of guns firing is giving single players a notable disadvantage. It's the same of asking HT to remove formations.
Also you have to keep in mind the buff convergence settings. There is a lot of lead in the air, but outside the convergence point (500yds) it's all over the place. Of course a good buff gunner is a dangerous foe... but good buff gunners are much rarer than good gunners in fighters. And I'm sure you won't tune fighter guns down just because few guys are really good at it? ;)
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Jayhawk, with a dead 6 attack, you have the tail/ball guns of your target plane firing, those on the drones, AND the waist guns on the drones. thats still 14 .50's firing on your plane in a worst case scenario.
And you totally deserve to die for even trying an attack from dead six. As you note it's the worst case scenario, but it's the fighters fault for getting there. And you really have to be almost inside the enemy formation, to enable the drone waist gunners to have a shot in this scenario. That's really a completely messed up attack.
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No, no. I'm not asking to make the guns less effective than they were in real life. I'm just asking to cut out either the top/ball turret and the waist turret (3 guns total) if you fire to the left or right rear/forward. In most cases, it wouldn't make a HUGE impact, just that a group of bomber pilots (even 3-4) that knows what they are doing can be really hard to get at, almost assuring they will kill your hangers before being dragged down.
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Just played with some bombers offline, firing at the six doesn't seem to fire the waist guns, they can't get at that angle. It requires you to be at ~4:30 or 7:30 before it begins firing, and at that angle the tail cannot fire. Like Lusche said, given bomber convergence, there is only a small window where all 3 bomber guns are together, if you've got speed you'll only be in that spot for a split second. Remember drones guns aren't smart guns, they just shoot where the lead is shooting. So if you get right behind the lead bomber, the waist guns still won't shoot at you, even if they could, and the drone guns will still firing strait back into nothing.
No, no. I'm not asking to make the guns less effective than they were in real life. I'm just asking to cut out either the top/ball turret and the waist turret (3 guns total) if you fire to the left or right rear/forward. In most cases, it wouldn't make a HUGE impact, just that a group of bomber pilots (even 3-4) that knows what they are doing can be really hard to get at, almost assuring they will kill your hangers before being dragged down.
Well even 3-4 pilots who know what they are doing can be very effective at taking out bombers.
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No, no. I'm not asking to make the guns less effective than they were in real life. I'm just asking to cut out either the top/ball turret and the waist turret (3 guns total) if you fire to the left or right rear/forward. In most cases, it wouldn't make a HUGE impact, just that a group of bomber pilots (even 3-4) that knows what they are doing can be really hard to get at, almost assuring they will kill your hangers before being dragged down.
You should try to visualise the firing arcs of all those guns. You will find that it's never that both drone's waist guns can shoot at anything the tail guns can fire at the same time.
It's even rare that more than 12 barrels can point on any attacking fighter. And as a fighter, you can do a lot to get that number much lower. And keep in mind the convergence issues of bomber guns:
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/fuzeman/Bomberguns.jpg)
(Picture by Fuzeman)
The result is that it's just helping those who are trying to attack a bomber in the most unsuitable, dumb way and to park their fighter right on the dead six of the buffs.
I mean that in the most respectful way: Learn to attack bombers properly :)
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That is a good point , I admit I forgot about that. Perhaps then, put a 5-6 perk on the heavies? Just SOMETHING to inhibit the massive bomber raids that will disable all the bases in a 3 sector by 2 sector area that pop up several times a tour.
And lusche, as I said, I try to avoid dead 6 attacks. Thats about as dumb as HO'ing a 110 with a zeek.
Also, wouldn't mind it if you 91'st boys would hit the knits once in a while two. Lately (past 5-6 days), there has been rather little action on that part of your front (in the compello map anyway) :devil.
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In other words because a few buff pilots flew a nice tight formation and killed you with a wall of lead, you want HTC to "nerf" the field of firing for bombers. You want this done so you can attack and have a better chance of surviving when engaging a tightly clustered group of 9-12 buffs (3-4 players) even though the effect would weaken the majority of bombers in the game. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh hhh..........how about no.
Nemisis I'm not saying your a bad pilot, but if you died while trying to attack 9-12 bombers then you just need to suck it up and move on. The whole reason why buff pilots fly those tight formations is to combine their firepower and protect themselves from attackers. You need to get a wingman or two and split the bombers defensive fire, or you need to accept the risk that you'll most likely get killed when attacking a large formation alone. I'm sorry but to me this is just a "make it easier for me to kill them thread".
Lets also look at the impact this would have on other aircraft, not all bombers have 12 machine guns on them. What about my B25C's that I love to fly? Would only 1 or 2 of the turrets fire when I was attacked? How about the Ju88? would only 1 of the 3 rear gunners fire? What about the Ki76? B26? Lancs? You see this would lead to so many other problems it would make your head spin.
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That is a good point , I admit I forgot about that. Perhaps then, put a 5-6 perk on the heavies? Just SOMETHING to inhibit the massive bomber raids that will disable all the bases in a 3 sector by 2 sector area that pop up several times a tour.
The frequency "Several times a tour" strongly indicates that there is no problem at all.
Personally, I love that kind of missions, always a nice change of pace from the usual low/med alt jabo stuff.
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Also, wouldn't mind it if you 91'st boys would hit the knits once in a while two. Lately (past 5-6 days), there has been rather little action on that part of your front (in the compello map anyway) :devil.
Nits had a tendency to not come up and fight us like the rooks did, milkruns just aren't fun. You never know now, seems to be all or nothing if one sides put up a defense. We had a good one yesterday though, a pretty solid defense that cleaned up the guys who drifted out of formation. I can't even remember which side it was on, red guys.
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Beefcake, I admit I don't enjoy breaking even (just barely too) against bombers. But I thought of something I thought would improve game play, I posted it, and you guys proceded to show me that its not as bad as I first imagined.
And Lusche, I guarantee its not fun for the recieving side to have all bases within 50 miles of your pending attack completely leveled (yesterday, I saw that the 91'st had leveled A96. Not even the siren object was left standing :rofl.)
You're pretty much saying "I enjoy killing the fight (sometimes, the only GOOD fight, depending on the map) for my target, just because some "win teh warz!!!!" guy got annoyed that a furball lasted more than a few hours". You don't SEEM to be part of that crowd, but personally I feel its not much different than those that say "fly better" when a newb asks how not to get killed (as if the newb was choosing to fly poorly).
Jayhawk, I belive I was there for that. I bagged 3 lancs flying with, well nearish, you guys, got a B-17, and tried to HO/ram the cocpit of one when 007Rusty shot out my engine.
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And Lusche, I guarantee its not fun for the recieving side to have all bases within 50 miles of your pending attack completely leveled (yesterday, I saw that the 91'st had leveled A96. Not even the siren object was left standing :rofl.)
You're pretty much saying "I enjoy killing the fight (sometimes, the only GOOD fight, depending on the map) for my target, just because some "win teh warz!!!!" guy got annoyed that a furball lasted more than a few hours". You don't SEEM to be part of that crowd, but personally I feel its not much different than those that say "fly better" when a newb asks how not to get killed (as if the newb was choosing to fly poorly).
I usually AM on the receiving side. I'm a bomber hunter. I fight them. A full dar forming up in a sector way behind the frontlines are attracting me like honey attracts the bees. Even better if they are really high, AND being escorted.
And you know... hangars stay down only for 15 minutes ;)
If you take into account how long it takes for the bomber guys to form up & get to alt (and to return from their sortie), it's not a very efficient way to fight "the war"... be glad they are doing it this way, instead of suciding heavy jugs onto your hangars, which is much quicker...
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Something to note, because the argument of dropping all hangers has been had over and over again; different types of players see it very different. Most of the guys on the 91st are patient guys, which allows us to fly an hour and a half mission. There are some fighters who like instant gratification though, and when we drop all the fighter hangers, they get all in a tiff. IF we get all the hangers, that's 15 minutes of down time. Rarely do we drop all the hangers at all the bases we attack in a flight, all it takes is one mistake and all those fighters are enabled. I'd say it's safe to say we've never landed while the hangers are still down.
We've been around for a year doing what we do, and guess what, people are still fighting. I just don't buy the "tool-shedding" complaints.
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Jayhawk, your mission yesterday killed all the fighters at 3 bases (the only bases within 4 sectors) at one point or another. Maybe its the guys with you, IDK. But regardless of if YOU do, all the hangers at A100, A96, and A92 were down (not nessicarily at all 3 at the same time) as a direct result of your actions. Honestly, I don't think there is anything that justifies killing fighter hangers (perhaps if you just CAN'T get the ord from a CV for one reason or another, but thats about the only exception IMO)
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(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1195/whinesy3.jpg)
wrongway
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Jayhawk, your mission yesterday killed all the fighters at 3 bases (the only bases within 4 sectors) at one point or another. Maybe its the guys with you, IDK. But regardless of if YOU do, all the hangers at A100, A96, and A92 were down (not nessicarily at all 3 at the same time) as a direct result of your actions. Honestly, I don't think there is anything that justifies killing fighter hangers (perhaps if you just CAN'T get the ord from a CV for one reason or another, but thats about the only exception IMO)
And this is just a difference we cannot reconcile. I see fighter hangers as a viable target of strategic value worth the effort of taking out, you don't.
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Perhaps then, put a 5-6 perk on the heavies? Just SOMETHING to inhibit the massive bomber raids that will disable all the bases in a 3 sector by 2 sector area that pop up several times a tour.
Also, wouldn't mind it if you 91'st boys would hit the knits once in a while two. Lately (past 5-6 days), there has been rather little action on that part of your front (in the compello map anyway) :devil.
Hear that? It's all our fault. :)
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Jayhawk, your mission yesterday killed all the fighters at 3 bases (the only bases within 4 sectors) at one point or another. Maybe its the guys with you, IDK. But regardless of if YOU do, all the hangers at A100, A96, and A92 were down (not nessicarily at all 3 at the same time) as a direct result of your actions. Honestly, I don't think there is anything that justifies killing fighter hangers (perhaps if you just CAN'T get the ord from a CV for one reason or another, but thats about the only exception IMO)
Hold on a sec. Hitec EXPANDED the radar coverage. Would it not give you more warning time that we are on the way to your bases. It's not like it's unannounced. ;)
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They should put recoil on the gunners
Jayhawk, your mission yesterday killed all the fighters at 3 bases (the only bases within 4 sectors) at one point or another. Maybe its the guys with you, IDK. But regardless of if YOU do, all the hangers at A100, A96, and A92 were down (not nessicarily at all 3 at the same time) as a direct result of your actions. Honestly, I don't think there is anything that justifies killing fighter hangers (perhaps if you just CAN'T get the ord from a CV for one reason or another, but thats about the only exception IMO)
Popcorn= check
beer= check
chair= check
This is going to be a good show. :D
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Just a small tip when attacking a set of bombers- attack the drones first, makes it just a bit tougher to aim and get full concentration on you.
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Popcorn= check
beer= check
chair= check
This is going to be a good show. :D
:rofl Na, I think the show's over.
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Simple solution to the multiple .50 cal problem.
Wgr 21 :aok
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It's all in the angle of attack grasshopper :old:
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Just a small tip when attacking a set of bombers- attack the drones first, makes it just a bit tougher to aim and get full concentration on you.
and always get the right side drone first. ;)
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:rofl Na, I think the show's over.
Did you DVR? :pray
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Hold on a sec. Hitec EXPANDED the radar coverage. Would it not give you more warning time that we are on the way to your bases. It's not like it's unannounced. ;)
All buffs to file flightplan, alt, and intended target to the otherside before liftoff. :x
Failure or filing an inaccurate flightplan will result in you being sent to the 'naughty step'
Expanded radar gives 2 mins additional warning - assuming its 'up' of course :lol
[edit] 2 mins approx for buffs, less for everything else.
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All buffs to file flightplan, alt, and intended target to the otherside before liftoff. :x
Failure or filing an inaccurate flightplan will result in you being sent to the 'naughty step'
Expanded radar gives 2 mins additional warning - assuming its 'up' of course :lol
[edit] 2 mins approx for buffs, less for everything else.
Right on, Kev! :rofl
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Hear that? It's all our fault. :)
Naw, I just don't like bomber hoards in general. Nothing personal against you guys, I've even flown escort a few times when I was bish.
However you guys LEVELED 96. No destroyable object was left standing; I took a jeep out to check :rofl.
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I took a jeep out to check :rofl.
F5 & F8 from tower is quicker :neener:
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Yes, but I wanted the film :D.
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i understand cos as i was shocked to find that when attacking a formation of B17's from their 4 o'clock position i was shocked when the trailing bomber on the right opened up along with the left bomber. but it doesn't end there i was even more shocked that the lead bomber tail gun was firing through the trailing bomber on the right. now after i got shot down i spoke to the bomber pilot and he said he had moved from the lead aircraft to the right one to get a better shot at me. i would do the same. but even he was shocked when he saw tracer from the lead bomber firing through the right bombers fuselage and tail section. he could not explain that one away either.
can any of you explain it away i don't think so :O :O :O :O :O
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The only thing I'd like to see (and this is only a graphics request) is to see the other guns fire in shorter bursts to make it look more historical. If there is some way to break up the fire a bit (without reducing the lethality) I think it would just look so much better than what we see currently.
Given Hitech's recent posts it's clear to me that HTC's is trying to make bombers, and the strategic targets, a more important part of the game. So I seriously doubt we will see any changes that reduce their survivability at this point.
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Not sure if it's a bug or intended but when the gunner on a buff fires it appears as if ALL the guns are firing. So while yes it may appear that the nose guns might be shooting through the fuselage, trust me, they're not. Only the guns that can be brought to bear on you will be actually shooting bullets at you, the rest are just phantom tracers.
If you want to see this for yourself just have a gunner jump on board and watch him move the guns around and fire. You'll see them all move and fire at once.
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Beefcake, he's saying that the tail gun of plane with lead plane in the formation is firing through the bomber on the right (on the left from the tail gun). At least I THINK thats what he's saying. I've noticed this too, and it should be taken care of (possibly by shooting down the drone :aok.... :D).
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Beefcake, he's saying that the tail gun of plane with lead plane in the formation is firing through the bomber on the right (on the left from the tail gun). At least I THINK thats what he's saying. I've noticed this too, and it should be taken care of (possibly by shooting down the drone :aok.... :D).
In case you juusst missed it:
Not sure if it's a bug or intended but when the gunner on a buff fires it appears as if ALL the guns are firing. So while yes it may appear that the nose guns might be shooting through the fuselage, trust me, they're not. Only the guns that can be brought to bear on you will be actually shooting bullets at you, the rest are just phantom tracers.
If you want to see this for yourself just have a gunner jump on board and watch him move the guns around and fire. You'll see them all move and fire at once.
But I know you read that already, right?
:aok
wrongway
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Jayhawk, your mission yesterday killed all the fighters at 3 bases (the only bases within 4 sectors) at one point or another. Maybe its the guys with you, IDK. But regardless of if YOU do, all the hangers at A100, A96, and A92 were down (not nessicarily at all 3 at the same time) as a direct result of your actions. Honestly, I don't think there is anything that justifies killing fighter hangers (perhaps if you just CAN'T get the ord from a CV for one reason or another, but thats about the only exception IMO)
Dang Thndr we did that :O
I was thinking for Christmas HT could give us the YB-40...even more guns(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/452/yb40.jpg)
Need to get more of your country men to up and help you defend and don't tell me you can't see us coming, even a blind man can with THE NEW dar system :bolt:
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Beefcake, he's saying that the tail gun of plane with lead plane in the formation is firing through the bomber on the right (on the left from the tail gun). At least I THINK thats what he's saying. I've noticed this too, and it should be taken care of (possibly by shooting down the drone :aok.... :D).
Yes Nemises all 3 tail guns where firing at me even tho the lead bomber's tail gun could only fire at me through the drone on the right's fuselage. it was weird as people have said it may have just been a glitch but if other's do see it we should report it to Hitech and his team. as we all know that if it happen's we may get killed quicker thus be at a disadvantage from this possible glitch. I mean come on think if it doe's keep on happening think of the Perk Point's you may miss out on HUH. :rock :salute
I ask that if anyone else see's this or it happen's to you let's get it posted in the bug reporting Section of the forum's
:salute :salute the Brother-hood of Ace's High II
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Nd P.S Can HTC upgrade the Tail Turret Gun's On the Lancaster III to 2 50 calls and 2 .303's as later versions where armened with this setup for increased success against German Night Fighter's PLEASE. :salute :salute :salute
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Well 91st, looks like you've been doing well, too well. :D
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Not sure if it's a bug or intended but when the gunner on a buff fires it appears as if ALL the guns are firing. So while yes it may appear that the nose guns might be shooting through the fuselage, trust me, they're not. Only the guns that can be brought to bear on you will be actually shooting bullets at you, the rest are just phantom tracers.
In case you juusst missed it:
But I know you read that already, right?
How the hell is the nose gun shooting through the fuselage of a drone? The limited traverse would prevent that. And I know he doesn't mean that the nose gun of a drone is firing throught the fuselage of the lead bomber since thats impossible with a 4 o'clock attack position.
BulletVI was saying that the tail gun (or possibly the waist gun or ball turret) of the lead bomber is firing through the fuselage of the right side drone. I've noticed this as well, but I never thought anything of it.
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Just 2 quick points:
Don't forget there is lag in play and you might be in a different position in space on the bomber's FE. It may look as if he is shooting through another plane on your end - but not on his.
The absolute maximum time of hangars being "down" (ie planes not being available) for a full 15 minutes is not achievable in practice. For that to happen to they would all have to be struck at exactly the same moment. They are "down" only for the period from when the last is hit til the first comes up.
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Dantoo, I've seen this in my own bomber. I've used F3, and used my head possition key for "look backward" after alining my tail gun to shoot through the right drone (left from the tail gun). Use the "n" key, so as not to change your aim point.
I haven't done this in a while, and may have been resolved or changed.
And Dantoo, given the size of some of the 91st's raids, the time in between the first hanger down and the last hanger down can be a matter of 30 seconds or so.
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If you've done it, and can reproduce it, then you can film it and submit it as a bug. It's not a subject for a wish list.
If you can do it now, then you can rapidly post a screenshot here, by way of explanation, as you head for the bug forum. We'll all wish you well.
The size of raids is irrelevant to my second point. You are making my second point. In the sample case that you are describing, then the hangars are out only for 14 minutes and 30 seconds. Unless you try and spawn at that precise moment, then you are even less inconvenienced. Any time after that exact moment and you will have to wait even less.
If the 91st have found a way to attack that helps them enjoy the game then they need encouragement. The game will be more enjoyable for everyone when there are greater incentives to attack and less to defend.
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Damn, 91st. This is close to my incident a couple days ago.
Kilt Strega's 152 in my 262 in a turning battle (I wasn't picking) and he whined and said he was gonna quit...as Assi said...a two-fer!
WTG 91st! Almost got a two-fer!
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YB-40 YB-40 YB-40........come on all chant along......YB-40 YB-40 :x
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YB-40 YB-40 YB-40........come on all chant along......YB-40 YB-40 :x
See the "Y" in front of the name? That means it was experimental and that means it won't happen. Just like the Narwhal looking Me262 with the BK50 on it was experimental and won't happen.
There, a bone to both sides.
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See the "Y" in front of the name? That means it was experimental and that means it won't happen. Just like the Narwhal looking Me262 with the BK50 on it was experimental and won't happen.
There, a bone to both sides.
Maybe the next plane at the CON should be a narwhal... :D
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and always get the right side drone first. ;)
I disagree. If you are coming from the rear hemisphere take the left side drone first, then turn to fire at the lead. After a few hits the right side drone will come across your fire disrupting the gunner and allowing you to kill the crossing drone. Then a few final rounds finishes off the lead.
It's best if you can do this in a left to right sweeping pattern, starting with the left wingtip of the left drone and moving right to the right wingtip of the lead.
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How the hell is the nose gun shooting through the fuselage of a drone? The limited traverse would prevent that. And I know he doesn't mean that the nose gun of a drone is firing throught the fuselage of the lead bomber since thats impossible with a 4 o'clock attack position.
BulletVI was saying that the tail gun (or possibly the waist gun or ball turret) of the lead bomber is firing through the fuselage of the right side drone. I've noticed this as well, but I never thought anything of it.
Let me copy and paste even slower so maybe it will sink in. I'll also remove the superfluous bits:
it appears as if ALL the guns are firing... they're not Only the guns that can be brought to bear on you will be actually shooting bullets at you, the rest are just phantom tracers.
:aok
wrongway
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To the OP:
Strap on a bomber and fly solo with drones and then report back here and tell us how easy it is to clear the air...
I am tired of hearing how lethal the bombers are when HTC has continued over time to reduce both their attack lethality and their defensive lethality...
Check NOTAM: Signal to Noise Ratio
Out
Oneway
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HTC has continued over time to reduce both their attack lethality and their defensive lethality...
Care to explain?
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How the hell is the nose gun shooting through the fuselage of a drone? The limited traverse would prevent that. And I know he doesn't mean that the nose gun of a drone is firing throught the fuselage of the lead bomber since thats impossible with a 4 o'clock attack position.
BulletVI was saying that the tail gun (or possibly the waist gun or ball turret) of the lead bomber is firing through the fuselage of the right side drone. I've noticed this as well, but I never thought anything of it.
Nemisis you've obviously never had a gunner on board a B17 before. Fly a B17 sometime and let someone join you and move the guns around. The above will be made clear as to why it looks like the nose gun shoots backwards. Or any gun for that matter.
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Wrongway, do you understand that its the tailgun rather than the nose gun thats firing through the drone? You fail to realize that I know they are just phantom tracers, and that I'm saying they are coming from the tail gun rather than the nose gun.
And Beefcake, I rarely get a gunner for the few bomb runs i do. It seems that whenever I do, I'm intercepted by rather quickly and my gunner either won't shoot, or is incompetent enough to miss a 110 500yds out still climbing up to us (it can't be doing better than 175).
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Please limit the number of possitions fired with the "fire all" button to be limited to 2 (per bomber, not total). Honestly, its almost impossible to attack a group of 3 or more (if they are decent shots) the way it is now. Its like flying into a wall of bullets. You get pilot wounded, they kill your engine, or just go and shoot your wing off.
Support for this idea:
The single .50's we have on the M4's tend to give a lot of damaged engines (I've given many, and I've been killed by them) or pilot wounds. Most bombers have 2 per mount, and that gives a total of 12 landing hits at convergence range. Still shouldn't be TOO much of a problem to kill something with them.
Buffs are easy kills, you're just doing it wrong.
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Masherbrum, did you read anything but the OP? We've already resoved this issue.
And they are much easier to kill now that I've figured out how to use the german AA rockets.
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Masherbrum, did you read anything but the OP? We've already resoved this issue.
And they are much easier to kill now that I've figured out how to use the german AA rockets.
Bombers are easy to kill even without rockets.
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I mean that I can do it and barely take a hit by haning back 800ys out :rolleyes:.
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And Beefcake, I rarely get a gunner for the few bomb runs i do. It seems that whenever I do, I'm intercepted by rather quickly and my gunner either won't shoot, or is incompetent enough to miss a 110 500yds out still climbing up to us (it can't be doing better than 175).
I fully understand the gunning for yourself part as I do it myself all the time and rarely take a gunner. However, thats not the point. The point is takeoff in a B17 and let a friend join you as gunner, then while in F3 view have the gunner man the tail gun or the ball turret and spin around. When he does this you'll see EVERY SINGLE GUN on the B17 track his movement, this includes guns like the nose turret turning completely around and aiming through the plane. Now have your friend fire the guns, you'll see EVERY gun fire and they will appear to shoot through the plane. Now ask him how many guns are firing on his screen and you'll get a different story.
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hmmmm... interesting. I'll have to check that out.
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Give it up... :rofl
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Bombers are easy to kill even without rockets.
Forgive Nemesis, he's too busy spamming the BBS to stop, read and comprehend.
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Forgive Nemesis, he's too busy spamming the BBS to stop, read and comprehend.
:lol
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I mean that I can do it and barely take a hit by haning back 800ys out :rolleyes:.
Solution:
Don't attack from dead 6.
Use side angles from 3 and 9 oclock positions either above or below in fast swiping passes.
Maybe I should just write a book, "Attacking Bombers in Aces High for Dummies".
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Please limit the number of possitions fired with the "fire all" button to be limited to 2 (per bomber, not total). Honestly, its almost impossible to attack a group of 3 or more (if they are decent shots) the way it is now. Its like flying into a wall of bullets. You get pilot wounded, they kill your engine, or just go and shoot your wing off.
Support for this idea:
The single .50's we have on the M4's tend to give a lot of damaged engines (I've given many, and I've been killed by them) or pilot wounds. Most bombers have 2 per mount, and that gives a total of 12 landing hits at convergence range. Still shouldn't be TOO much of a problem to kill something with them.
No
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I like my way of attacking bombers better.
Get some E.
Go underneath.
And sneak attack that guy when he's not looking.
This is best done when someone else is attacking.
Get your kill, Then go find something else to shoot at (not the same formation of bombers).
If youre as bad as a fighter pilot as I am, I suggest you stick to this simple doctorine.
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No
:rofl
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If youre as bad as a fighter pilot as I am, I suggest you stick to this simple doctorine.
There are simpler and more effective ones. :)
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Note if u attack a buff from below make sure it doesn't have a ball turret. Or if it doesn't that it won't pull streight up auto pilot then ping the hell out of u.
Semp
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Forgive Nemesis, he's too busy spamming the BBS to stop, read and comprehend.
:rofl Well he was at 10-11 a day when he first started, then he got a nice little 30 day vacation from the boards. I think he's working his way back up to there though.
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Note if u attack a buff from below make sure it doesn't have a ball turret. Or if it doesn't that it won't pull streight up auto pilot then ping the hell out of u.
Semp
Sneak up on him.
Head on pass with B24's if they have someone engaging them already.
Just take out 1 bomber. Limit their payload. Make it harder for them to pork hangars.
I dont usually go after bombers, so any time I attack one it's just to kill that 1 and leave the others to finish the rest off.
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Forgive Nemesis, he's too busy spamming the BBS to stop, read and comprehend.
Yup, thats why YOU'RE the one that replyed to a resolved OP.
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Yup, thats why YOU'RE the one that replyed to a resolved OP.
IIRC it was not resolved until Ht made it that way, and Karaya posted before that. There fore it was not resolved.
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Forgive Nemesis, he's a teen and as such he knows everything.... just ask him.
Fixed
:D ;)
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Fixed
:D ;)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Beefcake, I admit I don't enjoy breaking even (just barely too) against bombers.
Have you thought that the reason why you do so poorly against bombers is that you're using the incorrect tactics to engage them? Try improving or learning new tactics instead of trying to nerf the game into oblivion.
ack-ack
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Hold on a sec. Hitec EXPANDED the radar coverage. Would it not give you more warning time that we are on the way to your bases. It's not like it's unannounced. ;)
Exactly, there really isn't all that much of a valid reason for not being able to intercept a bomber raid, even one with altitude.
How can we expect the toolshedders to adapt to the new changes in the game play when we furballers refuse to do the same?
ack-ack
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Just a small tip when attacking a set of bombers- attack the drones first, makes it just a bit tougher to aim and get full concentration on you.
The main reason why you attack the drones first instead of the lead (manned) bomber is to keep the drones from warping into the lead slot and preventing a collision when you shoot down the manned bomber.
ack-ack
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The main reason why you attack the drones first instead of the lead (manned) bomber is to keep the drones from warping into the lead slot and preventing a collision when you shoot down the manned bomber.
ack-ack
Cool Nice tactic Ack Ack i shall remember that :cheers: :cheers: :salute :rock
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Fixed
:D ;)
I'm well aware of the fact that I don't know everything there is to know.
Yup, thats why YOU'RE the one that replyed to a resolved OP.
The OP was resolved when we all agreed that there is no need to nerf bombers. I didn't post this because a bomber killed me and I was pissed. I posted this because I flew into a wall of the 91'st bombers, and got to thinking that the ammount of guns firing was excessive (I still do as a matter of fact).
However, I've gotten a few tips on bomber busting (from this thread and in the game), and I've learned how to use those german rockets (marvelous things they are)
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I posted this because I flew into a wall of the 91'st bombers, and got to thinking that the ammount of guns firing was excessive (I still do as a matter of fact).
I wonder if the Luftwaffe pilots intercepting the bomber streams over Europe complained that the number of guns firing back at them from the bombers were excessive. Makes me wonder if they sent letters of complaint to the 8th AF and RAF Bomber Command to tone down the number of guns that could fire back at them or limit how many bombers could be in the bomber stream.
ack-ack
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hmmmm.... that would be a good comeback if the game were more than 70% accurate, and if we didn't have spits fighting P-51's, and zeeks fighting Ki-61's. Unfortunatly for your argument, there has already been concessions for game play reasons.
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hmmmm.... that would be a good comeback if the game were more than 70% accurate, and if we didn't have spits fighting P-51's, and zeeks fighting Ki-61's. Unfortunatly for your argument, there has already been concessions for game play reasons.
Well we could add Pawn's King's Queen's as country's and then we can have each Chess piece fly for the 5 country's :lol
Bishop's British
Rook's German
Knight's Italian's
King's American
Queens Japanese
Pawn's Russian
WELL IT'S JUST A THOUGHT IT MAY ALSO ENCOURAGE THE SWITCHING OF SIDE'S MORE :) :rock :rock :salute :rofl :rofl
:rofl :rofl NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS SAYS HiTech :rofl :rofl
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hmmmm.... that would be a good comeback if the game were more than 70% accurate, and if we didn't have spits fighting P-51's, and zeeks fighting Ki-61's. Unfortunatly for your argument, there has already been concessions for game play reasons.
But my comments are absolutely on target because you were whining about the 'excessive' firepower of the B-17s that were firing at you. Whether or not we have historical game play or concessions made in the name of game play is irrelevant and doesn't negate the point of my comment. In case the point was lost, I was basically calling you a whiner.
ack-ack
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c'mon guys, THIS is how to kill some buffs :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBit-xSsXyM
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And I'm saying you have no grounds to attack my whine (I'll admit it, I was whining :confused:) for historical reasons when we have spitfires fighting P-51's, and Zeeks fighting Ki-61's.
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And I'm saying you have no grounds to attack my whine (I'll admit it, I was whining :confused:) for historical reasons when we have spitfires fighting P-51's, and Zeeks fighting Ki-61's.
But what do Spitfires fighting P-51s have to do with the fact that there actually were "excessive" numbers of defencive guns firing at attacking fighters, be they German, Japanese, Russian, American, or British?
wrongway
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And I'm saying you have no grounds to attack my whine (I'll admit it, I was whining :confused:) for historical reasons when we have spitfires fighting P-51's, and Zeeks fighting Ki-61's.
Your argument is moot because we weren't discussing P-51s fighting Spitfires and vice versa. You were commenting about the excessive firepower of the B-17s and how you felt they should be 'toned' down or perked so it would be easier for you to shoot down. My comment was poking fun at your whine in a very germane way.
ack-ack
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And I'm saying you have no grounds to attack my whine (I'll admit it, I was whining :confused:) for historical reasons when we have spitfires fighting P-51's, and Zeeks fighting Ki-61's.
Then Ill attack your whine you sniveling dweeb. Since you admit your immaturity above.
You can not even understand the basic concept that war simulation and aircraft simulation are 2 completely different concepts.
Not only that your premises of Zero's and p-51s fighting is again incorrect, you have every opportunity to fly AvA.
So grow up and ask for what you really want. I.E. you want bombers to be easier to kill because you are not skilled enough to be up to the task.
HiTech
HiTech
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Then Ill attack your whine you sniveling dweeb. Since you admit your immaturity above.
You can not even understand the basic concept that war simulation and aircraft simulation are 2 completely different concepts.
Not only that your premises of Zero's and p-51s fighting is again incorrect, you have every opportunity to fly AvA.
So grow up and ask for what you really want. I.E. you want bombers to be easier to kill because you are not skilled enough to be up to the task.
HiTech
HiTech
A kill has been recorded.
ack-ack
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Oh snap!
:rofl
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(http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/oh-snap.gif)
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This guy made me laugh today.
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Jayhawk1/bombers.jpg)
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This guy made me laugh today.
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Jayhawk1/bombers.jpg)
Nemisis crying again about being shot down by a bomber?
ack-ack
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Then Ill attack your whine you sniveling dweeb. Since you admit your immaturity above.
You can not even understand the basic concept that war simulation and aircraft simulation are 2 completely different concepts.
Not only that your premises of Zero's and p-51s fighting is again incorrect, you have every opportunity to fly AvA.
So grow up and ask for what you really want. I.E. you want bombers to be easier to kill because you are not skilled enough to be up to the task.
HiTech
HiTech
Body slam :x :bolt:
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(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Jayhawk1/bombers.jpg)
That last line made me giggle. :D
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Lol in response to that...in AH they aren't escorted by multiple squadrons all the time either.
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Ouch, remind me never to piss off HiTech!
Nemisis I dub thee Krusty Jr.
;)
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Then Ill attack your whine you sniveling dweeb. Since you admit your immaturity above.
That is your right. You are the CO of the company, and a board moderator; I can't stop you, and I'm no where near dumb enough to think I can.
You can not even understand the basic concept that war simulation and aircraft simulation are 2 completely different concepts.
I think do understand the difference. I wasn't asking for a change to the aircraft, I was (I no longer am. I've realized that this was a foolish thread, and I did a while ago) asking for the number of guns firing on the same target from one bomber to be limited to 3.
So grow up and ask for what you really want. I.E. you want bombers to be easier to kill because you are not skilled enough to be up to the task.
HiTech
I can't take back this thread. If I could, I would do it gladly. So seeing as I can't, I've done what I feel is best, and attempted to own up to what I did. What more would you have me do sir?
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What more would you have me do sir?
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Ouch, remind me never to piss off HiTech!
Nemisis I dub thee Krusty Jr.
;)
Ohh now that's just down right mean. ;)
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hmmmm.... that would be a good comeback if the game were more than 70% accurate, and if we didn't have spits fighting P-51's, and zeeks fighting Ki-61's. Unfortunatly for your argument, there has already been concessions for game play reasons.
I've done what I feel is best, and attempted to own up to what I did. What more would you have me do sir?
Stop making inaccurate statements about the realism of our aircraft simulation. Stop purposely mixing your claim about our choice in war simulation vs our uncompromising simulation of aircraft. Because we do not modify performance of simulations for game play.
HiTech
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Sounds like Nemisis may want to change his location to "top of watermelon list". :D
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/smiley-level1_don021.gif)
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Sounds like Nemisis may want to change his location to "top of watermelon list". :D
i can think of a few others that could be placed there above nem :rofl
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Well hitech, I personally don't feel that the number of guns from one bomber firing on the same target is part of its preformance. However, I don't have the authority to make that call.
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Nemisis, stop just stop.
:lol
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It's one of those "even though I've been proven wrong, I am right" threads.
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Well hitech, I personally don't feel that the number of guns from one bomber firing on the same target is part of its preformance. However, I don't have the authority to make that call.
When you've been schooled and proven wrong, it's smart to just walk away, hopefully a little bit wiser. Sadly, don't think it's gonna happen.
ack-ack
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Well hitech, I personally don't feel that the number of guns from one bomber firing on the same target is part of its preformance. However, I don't have the authority to make that call.
Let analyze again your totally naive statement.
Take the B17 as an example.
1. We model accurate muzzle velocities.
2. We model accurate bullet coefficients.
3. We model wind.
4. We model atmospheric density with altitude on the bullets.
5. We model the angles at which the guns can traverse.
6. On turret mounts we model traverse rates.
7. We model gravity accurately.
8. We model the dispersions do to gun mounts and barrel inaccuracies.
Now I choose not to model moronic gunners as you wish who would not all fire on the same plane when only one plane is attacking a formation. But if you wish I could adjust the gunners IQ to your level when you are flying a bomber, so most would just not fire when being attacked , because by golly it's just to hard for that 109 to kill us if we fight back.
HiTech
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Let analyze again your totally naive statement.
Take the B17 as an example.
1. We model accurate muzzle velocities.
2. We model accurate bullet coefficients.
3. We model wind.
4. We model atmospheric density with altitude on the bullets.
5. We model the angles at which the guns can traverse.
6. On turret mounts we model traverse rates.
7. We model gravity accurately.
8. We model the dispersions do to gun mounts and barrel inaccuracies.
Now I choose not to model moronic gunners as you wish who would not all fire on the same plane when only one plane is attacking a formation. But if you wish I could adjust the gunners IQ to your level when you are flying a bomber, so most would just not fire when being attacked , because by golly it's just to hard for that 109 to kill us if we fight back.
HiTech
I would like to interject some of my fanboi-ism by saying, You're my hero.
:salute
wrongway
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I'd suggest Cragenmore Scotch Nemisis. Probably about a case, addressed to Hitech Creations in Grapevine Texas.
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This thread made my day! :aok
:banana:
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Great Googly Moogly...
I should have gone to bed a half-hour ago, but I couldn't stop reading; and I had to read every word in every post. I feel the need to thank most everyone in the thread - but especially Nemisis and Hitech. Nemisis keeps setting him up and Hitech keeps knocking it outta da park. :D
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Ouch, that one is going to leave a mark.
ack-ack
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poor nemisis
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4 times in 1 thread...this forum rocks!
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Oh my god this is Beautiful.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3As6AtD63gQ
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Well hitech, I personally don't feel that the number of guns from one bomber firing on the same target is part of its preformance. However, I don't have the authority to make that call.
ENOUGH!!!!!
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Well hitech, I personally don't feel that the number of guns from one bomber firing on the same target is part of its preformance. However, I don't have the authority to make that call.
You do not take advise well do you? STOP DIGGING !!!!!!
Get the hint?
Edit: Nem, playing last word with HT is not advisable.
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Nemisis listen carefully please.
Your "deep" in the hole, this is a fact.
Nothing you can do is going to get you out of the hole.
All you can do is walk away, let the hole fill itself naturally over time.
Try to help it and its just going to get worse.
Walk away son, and think while your doing that.
Think about exactly how you got here, and remind yourself to never, ever, under any circumstances ever do it again.
Best thing you can do at this point is just say your sorry, and take a 2 week break from the boards.
Just stop digging.
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I hear the banhammer coming. :lol
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:rofl Na, I think the show's over.
I couldn't have been more wrong. :lol
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You should always approach from the dead six. This way your bullets travel through the whole distance of the aircraft causing more damage. :D
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You should always approach from the dead six. This way your bullets travel through the whole distance of the aircraft causing more damage. :D
Raking fire, as we old Wooden Ships & Iron Men players know :D
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But if you wish I could adjust the gunners IQ to your level when you are flying a bomber, so most would just not fire when being attacked , because by golly it's just to hard for that 109 to kill us if we fight back.
HiTech
:rofl :rofl :rofl
OMG.. I think I just broke something inside..
Medic!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Ouch, remind me never to piss off HiTech!
Nemisis I dub thee Krusty Jr.
;)
This sounds familiar . . . :lol
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<S> to all A.H. members and MR.Hitech i apologies for the actions of a specific member of the 49thfg that does not know when to give it up. I was told to read the b.b. about this and could not help but laugh my off wen Mr.Hitech him self replied to this thread :cheers:. As of this result nemisis please let it go. if u cant kill bombers with out makn a donut out of ur self then go to training arena and learn.. :O
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Hoked on fonics wurked for ME
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The main reason why you attack the drones first instead of the lead (manned) bomber is to keep the drones from warping into the lead slot and preventing a collision when you shoot down the manned bomber.
ack-ack
And if the bombers are low, you can actually shoot the lead bomber. Aaand hope the drones crash into ground.... Two free kills :)
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ENOUGH!!!!!
No. this is fun to read :lol
I need more popcorn, any one else? :lol
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No. this is fun to read :lol
I need more popcorn, any one else? :lol
Me me :cheers: :x
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This...is...just...way too good to walk away from :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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It's the thread-that-died-but-nobody-can-let-it-be thread.
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I say delete all of the post except Nemisis' posts and HT's ownage posts.
Oh, and once that's done sticky it.
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Now come on fellas through this post we have actually identified a few minor glitches that have let other player's become aware of. So in turn it's helped a few of us under stand what happened and that it just didn't happen to one person it's happened to a few.
The real problem this thread has had is as always certain people have hijacked it and turned it around.
:rock
:salute
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What glitches? The only glitch that can be identified in this thread were the terrible tactics used by Nemisis to attack bombers.
ack-ack
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What glitches? The only glitch that can be identified in this thread were the terrible tactics used by Nemisis to attack bombers.
ack-ack
:rofl
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c'mon guys, THIS is how to kill some buffs :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBit-xSsXyM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I did that once
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You guys can make it REAL hard to do the right thing, and let this thing be. You know that? I can see why someone would think "You know what, screw it. These guys aren't going to stop regardless of what I do", and keep digging the hole. I've tried to stay out of this, and I really hope this will be my last post in this thread.
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Doh, it's real easy to stay out of it. Stop posting in it, heck, stop reading it!
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Nem you have a compulsion disorder.... find a good psychiatrist he can help you with it. ;) :D
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What glitches? The only glitch that can be identified in this thread were the terrible tactics used by Nemisis to attack bombers.
ack-ack
Page 3 about halfway down i spoke of a glich well a possible one anyway and another one spoke of somthing similar that happened to him :) :salute
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I really hope this will be my last post in this thread.
I bet its not :devil
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Let's all call Nemesis twoguns from now on. :D
Come back twoguns. Come back.
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You guys can make it REAL hard to do the right thing, and let this thing be. You know that? I can see why someone would think "You know what, screw it. These guys aren't going to stop regardless of what I do", and keep digging the hole. I've tried to stay out of this, and I really hope this will be my last post in this thread.
Hard to do the right thing? Which was what? Continued to make inaccurate comments after you said the first time you were trying 'to do the right thing'? If you want to do the right thing, don't post anymore.
ack-ack
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This thread......is.......amazing.
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I say delete all of the post except Nemisis' posts and HT's ownage posts.
Oh, and once that's done sticky it.
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You guys can make it REAL hard to do the right thing, and let this thing be. You know that? I can see why someone would think "You know what, screw it. These guys aren't going to stop regardless of what I do", and keep digging the hole. I've tried to stay out of this, and I really hope this will be my last post in this thread.
It's like a Wet Paint sign, isn't it? You just have to touch it.....
wrongway
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You guys can make it REAL hard to do the right thing, and let this thing be. You know that? I can see why someone would think "You know what, screw it. These guys aren't going to stop regardless of what I do", and keep digging the hole. I've tried to stay out of this, and I really hope this will be my last post in this thread.
I believe you have just stopped digging. Now if you wish to start filling in the hole most of us would be glad to help.
It really is as simple as as stating "I screwed up and was out of bounds". Once people recognize you see what they are speaking of, they will stop pushing you.
HiTech
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Nemisis? What plane are you using to kill bombers? Next time we are online together I will show you three methods with a P-51 P-47 or F-4U that the majority of bomber pilots cannot even hit. That works all the way to (dare I say?) 35k. :D :rofl
If you catch bombers low (below 10k) no reason you cant kill all three in less than one minute. Some bombers are tougher (234s B26 Ki) but the rest are pretty easy really. :bolt:
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or with a F-16 :noid
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or with a F-16 :noid
But then you have to worry about red scorpion bites but I hear that at 35,000ft the cold air and lack of O2 puts the scorpions to sleep so they won't bite.
ack-ack
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or with a F-16 :noid
I have noticed that you (Fudgums) tend to reply with nothing but criticism. For someone that posts with AvA Staff Member under his avatar you should refrain from doing this. It makes you look stupid. I am trying to help this person which is something you didnt even think of after 11 pages of replies. And then all you have is F-16s?
I guess maybe you feel protected because you are staff? Well I certainly wont go there. Not only will I not stoop to your level (because I am not protected from being banned) but you are not worth it.
I love you too Ack-Ack. Likewise on the "worth it." :P
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I have noticed that you (Fudgums) tend to reply with nothing but criticism. For someone that posts with AvA Staff Member under his avatar you should refrain from doing this. It makes you look stupid. I am trying to help this person which is something you didnt even think of after 11 pages of replies. And then all you have is F-16s?
I guess maybe you feel protected because you are staff? Well I certainly wont go there. Not only will I not stoop to your level (because I am not protected from being banned) but you are not worth it.
I love you too Ack-Ack. Likewise on the "worth it." :P
Not criticism but sarcasm :aok, also just because I have a tag under my name does not hold any special protection from the board.
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Neither one of them (sarcasm/criticism) is helpful. Nemisis is still young and desires to learn more about the game. I dont believe for one second that 11 pages of sarcasm helped him one bit. Surprisingly it was mostly the bomber pilots that offered help but of course after the second page of grief I decided to stop reading the bloviating (and bloviating is the primary reason the BBS doesnt have more qualified input).
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practice aiming and aim for the wing root, sets them on fire everytime.(bombers)
You need to practice your lead and use angles and or practice from coming vertical where it is harder for the gunner to shoot you down.
Bad practice is to climb to a bomber and try from the bombers 6.
There are people in here that are very good shots with the guns from bombers and hard to shoot down.
The bomber I dislike to try and shoot down the most is high alt b 26.
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Neither one of them (sarcasm/criticism) is helpful. Nemisis is still young and desires to learn more about the game. I dont believe for one second that 11 pages of sarcasm helped him one bit. Surprisingly it was mostly the bomber pilots that offered help but of course after the second page of grief I decided to stop reading the bloviating (and bloviating is the primary reason the BBS doesnt have more qualified input).
NO worst than you using hyperbole to qualify your arguments.
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practice aiming and aim for the wing root, sets them on fire everytime.(bombers)
You need to practice your lead and use angles and or practice from coming vertical where it is harder for the gunner to shoot you down.
Bad practice is to climb to a bomber and try from the bombers 6.
There are people in here that are very good shots with the guns from bombers and hard to shoot down.
The bomber I dislike to try and shoot down the most is high alt b 26.
Yeah, the wingroot is always good. A few taters will either set it ablaze or knock it right off.
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I think the OP is correct. Bombers are too hard to kill and should be nerfed.
HiTech please nerf bombers by giving us a Me410 :pray
(Actually don't agree with OP, this is an epic thread and the opening was there....)
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I think the OP is correct. Bombers are too hard to kill and should be nerfed.
HiTech please nerf bombers by giving us a Me410 :pray
(Actually don't agree with OP, this is an epic thread and the opening was there....)
Well it would be great that if you fired at a bomber on the wings and missed most o the wing structure but damaged the two engine's an one was on fire you could put it out with the extingisher or by a dive :) and have the other smoking and also have to feather the prop to stop the wind milling of the bomber's prop. :aok that would be sweeter and also come back with damage like in real life. :aok that would be sweet as well but it shall all come at a steady pace i believe. As with each version HiTech and co are improving the game to give us new twits and hopefully new challenge's within the game :)
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NO worst than you using hyperbole to qualify your arguments.
Hi five Bronk my friend............
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Another thing that would do good for the bombers is Gunner's you know you can get people instead of 1 that way 1 can use the tail and ball turret another the waist and top another the front and bomb aimer.:) that in my thoughts would be a better way. And if you don't have a few comrades spare you can select to have 3 drone gunner's of course they would have to have a certain human element like panic thus not aiming properly and soforth lol forget the last sujestion it be too much computing power but lets have 3 gunner's then you find out how hard it really is to kill B17's and soforth. :)
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In that case I applaud the buff guys for being smart enough and able to do such a thing. The utter majority of buff guys are flying single, with an additional percentage of players trying to fly in formation...but failing at it.
Limiting the number of guns firing is giving single players a notable disadvantage. It's the same of asking HT to remove formations.
Also you have to keep in mind the buff convergence settings. There is a lot of lead in the air, but outside the convergence point (500yds) it's all over the place. Of course a good buff gunner is a dangerous foe... but good buff gunners are much rarer than good gunners in fighters. And I'm sure you won't tune fighter guns down just because few guys are really good at it? ;)
idk - I'm GREAT as a bomber gunner, but I suck in a fighter :P
I love blowing the wing off of an enemy aircraft and watching them spiral to the ground
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last sujestion it be too much computing power but lets have 3 gunner's then you find out how hard it really is to kill B17's and soforth. :)
We're not going to see that happen due to connection quality issues.
ack-ack
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We're not going to see that happen due to connection quality issues.
ack-ack
Yeah you are probally totally correct on that but if it was made available Ack-Ack i'd like to see the moaner's that bombers are hard to kill cos then they be 3 times harder to kill.
:salute :lol
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Yeah you are probally totally correct on that but if it was made available Ack-Ack i'd like to see the moaner's that bombers are hard to kill cos then they be 3 times harder to kill.
:salute :lol
Why would they be harder to kill? All guns that bear will fire in the direction you point them now. Convergence issue?
wrongway
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Why would they be harder to kill? All guns that bear will fire in the direction you point them now. Convergence issue?
wrongway
You have 3 guys shooting at you think man 3 guys 1 guy controlling the Tail Gunners 1 the Ball gunners the other waiting in the top turret waiting for you to climb up above them. 3 chances to die then. :)
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You have 3 guys shooting at you think man 3 guys 1 guy controlling the Tail Gunners 1 the Ball gunners the other waiting in the top turret waiting for you to climb up above them. 3 chances to die then. :)
You, alone are in the tail gun shooting. All the drone's tail guns fire when you do (3). The Top gun also fires when you fire the tail gun when the top gun can "see" the target (3 more). Same for the ball turret.
What were you saying again? Your three gunners firing three guns verses my six guys? :rock
wrongway
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You, alone are in the tail gun shooting. All the drone's tail guns fire when you do (3). The Top gun also fires when you fire the tail gun when the top gun can "see" the target (3 more). Same for the ball turret.
What were you saying again? Your three gunners firing three guns verses my six guys? :rock
wrongway
Yes but if you have 3 friends in 3 different gun positions then you will have a hard time cos if one misses you the next will get you. Like it was with Bomber crews.
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Yes but if you have 3 friends in 3 different gun positions then you will have a hard time cos if one misses you the next will get you. Like it was with Bomber crews.
Same thing here If one gun is missing the others can still hit.
HiTech
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Same thing here If one gun is missing the others can still hit.
HiTech
Thats true hitech your programing in the game covers that so when you fire from the main plane the drones folloe you but are capable of slight adjustments to hit the targrt. I saw it once the tailgunner in the lead plane couldnt hit me but the other two tail gunners did and i went KaBoom :)
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Yes but if you have 3 friends in 3 different gun positions then you will have a hard time cos if one misses you the next will get you. Like it was with Bomber crews.
You would have loved the Deathstar in Air Warrior, B-17 with six manned guns. But it is also an example of why it's not in AH, 3 out of 4 times if you tried to join a bomber's crew you'd get disconnected from the game and there was also a lot of micro warping.
ack-ack
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OK, there is probably a simple answer for this, but is there any reason HTC doesn't let us shoot from gun possitions while on the ground? Is it just a way to keeping people from improvising "AA" defenses for capped fields?
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OK, there is probably a simple answer for this, but is there any reason HTC doesn't let us shoot from gun possitions while on the ground? Is it just a way to keeping people from improvising "AA" defenses for capped fields?
From what I understand, "back in the day" people would land their bombers on the enemy runway and cap the whole field.
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ah, I guess that makes sense.
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Re: bomber guns.....
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Quote from: Nemisis on July 10, 2010, 09:44:50 AM
I really hope this will be my last post in this thread.
I bet its not :devil
haha
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