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Special Events Forums => King of the Hill => Topic started by: Bosco123 on May 24, 2008, 06:42:02 PM
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Just want to clarify a couple of things:
1. When you are going to the nearest fight, does that mean that you are at full power going to the flight?
2. Squad vox is only allowed for the pilots that are not flying anymore on your squad?
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U must be tuned vox 101. So how can u be on squad vox. It states about squad text and yes, U can use squad text now but only for none tactical info. Tactical meaning a players positon, plane status (ie fuel leaks, damage, etc..), who left, etc.
U don't have to be full throttle as I know most fly with limited fuel but u better be still heading to the FIGHT!
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The Rules Of Engagement for KOTH.
14) Films are NOW MANDATORY for round winners and
have to be sent to the host CM’s email to be verified.
* If no film is received, U forfeit that round and/or the
KOTH and possibly a invite to TOC.
B S :aok
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Based on the very clear rules above, could someone enlighten me on what rule M00t broke? I would not want people to think that the CMs are just a couple of vindictive children. That would not be good! :rofl
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Frankly, Ded, it has nothing to do with you.
No, they will not enlighten you. When or If you break a rule, it will be explained to you.
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B S :aok
If thats what u think, that your choice. You don't have to participate either. Simple solution.
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If thats what u think, that your choice. You don't have to participate either. Simple solution.
You don't have to either! :aok
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If thats what u think, that your choice. You don't have to participate either. Simple solution.
Neither do you guys. I know you work for free but obviously, you can't handle the job. So, I don't have to participate because I don't like it. true, and I wont. How about instead, you guys get lost, someone else takes over, and then the players get to participate?
What is more important for HT and th game? The players or the KOTH mafia?
Please resign or explain what rule he broke. It is kind of clear that you guys are seeking revenge for what happened with Lute. Very low if you ask me.
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Dogg, if you show us the film in which m00t "broke" the rule, then I'm sure that not only will people (and myself) stop questioning the CM's actions, but it will also allow us to see why m00t was punished.
Film will do nicely, as you yourself stated that pictures can be photo shopped, and I'm sure you guys didn't just go off of here say.
donkey
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And since this is on a different topic then my other post, I will put it in its own post.
You guys might want to proof read your rules a little better. For event leaders who want to make koth seem like it's professionally run and all, the rules look like they were written by a 3rd grader...
donkey
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Like Roc said, people not involved don't get details. Besides, simple solution here if u want the answer, ask m00t. He alrdy knew what he broke when he sent the film to us. He said it himself in the email.
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Like Roc said, people not involved don't get details.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,237071.0.html
donkey
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You don't have to either! :aok
I don't anymore. Host CM's don't fly in there event.
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Any film supporting any claim of foul, cheating, rule
violations or misconduct of any kind must be made available
to the host CM no later than 1 week after the event has
been held. Any film submitted late, for any reason, will
be disregarded. Any deliberate withholding of a film that
shows proof of a violation that is later submitted as a
retaliation against another player will be considered
manipulative, and that act in itself will warrant a penalty.
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What does dogpiling mean?
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What does dogpiling mean?
U on the bottom of the pile when everyone jumps on. In AH it basically the samething. Everyone is on u.
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Bosco, this rule is new, and was not in place during the February KOTH. Are you suggesting this was the reason M00t was punished?
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That rule came a little after the fact... But what the hell, let's just get after m00t becuase action had to be taken against lute... :rolleyes:
donkey
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Like Roc said, people not involved don't get details.
The reason why this doesn't fly is this was aired in public and many of us got the impression that there was bias(by the CM's) going on against certain players and squads. We were all involved. So in fairness to the event and all that were intently caught up in the situation, it would be in the best interest of the KOTH CM's to "explain" their actions. The old, "I will not explain my decision" crap is not going to fly with many of us. If m00t broke a rule that was posted before Febuary, then point us to that rule so that we may understand what not to do to stay inside of the rules in the first place. You have to remember, it wasn't just Lute that was questioned, it was all the CM's, and to have Lute gone and the CM's left still giving out punishments on the incident won't fly......without explanations! :aok
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What does dogpiling mean?
I guess we should change that to wabbitpiling.
[ We wont though, just note that was a humerous reply.]
Multiple people going after the wabbit or two time winners.
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It was one of those rules that were not explained in the rules, but more of a rule of honor. So to make this as clear as possible for you guys heres pretty much what sums it up:
1. He was cheating by talking on squad, which then he upheald to try and get someone else in trouble, he ADMITTED that he had done somthing wrong and knew the cosequences when he sent the email to ROC of fuzeman which ever one.
If you are still saying that it is a new rule, Take this into mind: I was suspended for talking on squad. It is just that simple, he got himself and the CM during that time to get him in trouble as well.
I hope that, this is as clear as possible.
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1. He was cheating by talking on squad
Can you prove this? I doubt it, because this is an untrue statement!
This whole debacle started long before this latest episode, and it needs overhauling with full public disclosure!
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Can you prove this? I doubt it, because this is an untrue statement!
Right here. Your own squad member.
This whole debacle started long before this latest episode, and it needs overhauling with full public disclosure!
Like Roc said, people not involved don't get details. Besides, simple solution here if u want the answer, ask m00t. He alrdy knew what he broke when he sent the film to us. He said it himself in the email.
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1. He was cheating by talking on squad, which then he upheald to try and get someone else in trouble,
Are you talking about me?
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Edit: Never Mind
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If you didnt want us to know about this, you wouldve never posted this in public view.
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That rule came a little after the fact... But what the hell, let's just get after m00t becuase action had to be taken against lute... :rolleyes:
donkey
Pretty much what it comes down to... Total BS...
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BiPolar, you are correct, and I've already explained it to the KOTH team. That doesn't change anything though.
Skyrock, you got me curious.
We were all involved. So in fairness to the event and all that were intently caught up in the situation,
What I saw, the players involved were dealt with. I didn't see you as part of this at all. Is there something else out there I need to see?
If you were involved, I'd like to see that. If you Chose to make yourself involved with something that didn't concern you, well that is your problem and I can't solve that.
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The Rules Of Engagement for KOTH.
14) Films are NOW MANDATORY for round winners and
have to be sent to the host CM’s email to be verified.
* KOTH wins will be announced after films are reviewed
* If no film is received, U forfeit that round and/or the
KOTH and possibly a invite to TOC.
16) Chat rule
* Text chat is only allowed on squad and range (Only in tower)
Text.
* PM’s are only allowed to Host CM’s.
* No tactical information is allowed on all text and vox
channels to any player still flying.
* Tactical means any information regarding to people still
flying.
* <S> and good fight is still allowed on country channel
and chn 101.
* No check 6’s are allowed at ALL Times!
actually Rule# 14 has ben in place for almost a year ( at least the 1st (2) sections of it )........going back to some incident that happened in KOTH , where some shades account or oldtimer/new handle player was flying
and Rule #16 has been here since a handful of people were caught on channel 169, which predates the Rule# 14......
just saying......
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Skyrock, you got me curious.
What I saw, the players involved were dealt with. I didn't see you as part of this at all. Is there something else out there I need to see?
If you were involved, I'd like to see that. If you Chose to make yourself involved with something that didn't concern you, well that is your problem and I can't solve that.
Ahh here we go the start of more vindictive BS ..
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BiPolar, you are correct, and I've already explained it to the KOTH team. That doesn't change anything though.
Skyrock, you got me curious.
What I saw, the players involved were dealt with. I didn't see you as part of this at all. Is there something else out there I need to see?
If you were involved, I'd like to see that. If you Chose to make yourself involved with something that didn't concern you, well that is your problem and I can't solve that.
He means that we were all involved since this was let out in the public forums, not what you are implying.
donkey
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sounds like a lot of stuff going on that shoulda stopped a time ago? anyway you won't see me in KOTH
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BiPolar, you are correct, and I've already explained it to the KOTH team. That doesn't change anything though.
Skyrock, you got me curious.
What I saw, the players involved were dealt with. I didn't see you as part of this at all. Is there something else out there I need to see?
If you were involved, I'd like to see that. If you Chose to make yourself involved with something that didn't concern you, well that is your problem and I can't solve that.
You might just want to do what is right, explain exactly what rule m00t broke.... or are you saying that asking who is left is a tactical advantage? Bottom line is many of us feel a type of "good ole boy", under the table" mentality coming from the KOTH CM's on how they handled this situation. Not to mention the unprofessional behavior of the CM's at times, (that is up until their authority is questioned) then we get the "this is the law", and its none of your business how we came to this conclusion. Now, if you guys are so elite and all powerful that you can't fully explain this entire incident and how it was handled by the authorities that be(CM's), then the credibility of the entire KOTH CM staff is jeapordized! The incident was very public and Now, are you going to let us know how the decision came about to punish m00t, and why 2 months were chosen. Or will I be banned for asking? I mean Lute, was not even banned, he stepped down honorably, while m00t was made looking like a cheater! B S!!!!!
OK. I apologize for being in such a antagonistic tone, but it is imperative that the CM KOTH staff go the extra mile to instill outstanding bojectiveness and open honesty, imho! :salute
Mark
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Speculation doesn't become you.
Ahh here we go the start of more vindictive BS .
I wasn't implying anything. Kindly read where Skyrock brought something up, and I asked for clarification. How can I be vindictive asking for clarification of something? Your asking a question crocket, are you honestly curious about something or do I apply your rules and consider you vindictive because they are laced with what I "feel" is mean spiritedness? Do the rules of decency and good intention only apply to you? I asked a question of Skyrock, you stuck your nose in, with an opening shot based on what...speculation? Hmm, that's a shame.
See how quickly things can deteriorate when you have a preconceived idea of what someone meant? Did I bring up the subject? Nope, Skyrock did..
These are things that I am trying to point out, this is why things go sideways. Speculation, assumptions, drawing conclusions based on what you Think someone meant.
Skyrock brought up his being involved. He didn't clarify what he meant by that, I asked at what level. Clearly, I explained why I saw a distinct and different level of involvement. One suggested culpability in recent events, once suggested inserting himself into a situation that he wasn't involved with. Clearly, knowing Skyrock for a while, I have full faith that he sees what the comment, phrased the way it was, left open a concern that he created. Your comment was a cheap shot, mine was a question with logical conclusions to draw from. Vindictive?
If you think this is vindictive, there will never be any satisfying you, and frankly this is why I don't bother trying :)
Again. Crocket, that was none of your concern, that was a question to Skyrock. He's a big boy, can answer for himself. Your inserting yourself into it solves nothing, contributes nothing, and goes along way towards being a clear example of what I won't waste time trying to solve.
Hope this helps you understand. If not, that's not my problem.
Skyrock, you won't be banned for asking anything. I've already answered it though. Not going to discuss penalties on another player with you. The Koth team, I believe, is going the extra mile to settle this. The first questions I asked through the rules redraft were intended to poke holes in the rules, to make them clarify them so there was no speculation. That's a start, clarity of the rules. Again, unless your directly involved in the prior situation, the only thing anyone need concern themselves with is in making sure the KOTH rules are clear. That should solve each and every little issue anyone has from this point forward. If the Rules are clear, and the Players understand them, and the CMs apply the decisions consistently, then every single concern anyone has is thwarted. Doesn't that sound simple? Arguing about what was would be energy better spent making sure you know what is. If, that is, everyone is truly concerned about actually solving something. Are you? I am. Satisfying your curiosity over something is not a solution though. It isn't going to happen. My grandma used to gossip with her neighbor all the time. Drove me crazy, never had a taste for it. That's all it is, gossip. Not your concern.
Now, get this. If a CM doesn't apply a rule consistently, you show me, and it's fixed.
If a Player doesn't get a penalty and should, you show the Cm who can't see everything, and it's fixed, standings etc modified. Might see there Was a penalty, so that your concern was shown to have been addressed, might not know the full details, but that's just the way it is.
Rules are clear enough, that if everyone spends time reviewing them and making sure they are clear, instead of wasting time with this silly stuff, then the Rules improve because everyone is on the same page.
Isn't productivity nice?
This subject is growing old. It's time to get past it. You won't be banned for asking, but I will spend my time, and my team will spend their time on moving forward. Not ducking, hiding or anything, simply not opening things up where it's not your concern. This is the last time I'm going to explain that. If anyone hasn't figured it out by now, don't be surprised if you are simply ignored. If people insist on pushing the issue into the point of disruption, I'll deal with that on it's own merits.
I don't do KOTH, I have a team that does KOTH, I came here to fix something broken. It's fixed, and I have other things to get done now. Been nice chatting with you all.
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BTW, Sky, you have a PM.
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Speculation doesn't become you.
I wasn't implying anything. Kindly read where Skyrock brought something up, and I asked for clarification. How can I be vindictive asking for clarification of something? Your asking a question crocket, are you honestly curious about something or do I apply your rules and consider you vindictive because they are laced with what I "feel" is mean spiritedness? Do the rules of decency and good intention only apply to you? I asked a question of Skyrock, you stuck your nose in, with an opening shot based on what...speculation? Hmm, that's a shame.
See how quickly things can deteriorate when you have a preconceived idea of what someone meant? Did I bring up the subject? Nope, Skyrock did..
These are things that I am trying to point out, this is why things go sideways. Speculation, assumptions, drawing conclusions based on what you Think someone meant.
Skyrock brought up his being involved. He didn't clarify what he meant by that, I asked at what level. Clearly, I explained why I saw a distinct and different level of involvement. One suggested culpability in recent events, once suggested inserting himself into a situation that he wasn't involved with. Clearly, knowing Skyrock for a while, I have full faith that he sees what the comment, phrased the way it was, left open a concern that he created. Your comment was a cheap shot, mine was a question with logical conclusions to draw from. Vindictive?
If you think this is vindictive, there will never be any satisfying you, and frankly this is why I don't bother trying :)
Again. Crocket, that was none of your concern, that was a question to Skyrock. He's a big boy, can answer for himself. Your inserting yourself into it solves nothing, contributes nothing, and goes along way towards being a clear example of what I won't waste time trying to solve.
Hope this helps you understand. If not, that's not my problem.
Skyrock, you won't be banned for asking anything. I've already answered it though. Not going to discuss penalties on another player with you. The Koth team, I believe, is going the extra mile to settle this. The first questions I asked through the rules redraft were intended to poke holes in the rules, to make them clarify them so there was no speculation. That's a start, clarity of the rules. Again, unless your directly involved in the prior situation, the only thing anyone need concern themselves with is in making sure the KOTH rules are clear. That should solve each and every little issue anyone has from this point forward. If the Rules are clear, and the Players understand them, and the CMs apply the decisions consistently, then every single concern anyone has is thwarted. Doesn't that sound simple? Arguing about what was would be energy better spent making sure you know what is. If, that is, everyone is truly concerned about actually solving something. Are you? I am. Satisfying your curiosity over something is not a solution though. It isn't going to happen. My grandma used to gossip with her neighbor all the time. Drove me crazy, never had a taste for it. That's all it is, gossip. Not your concern.
Now, get this. If a CM doesn't apply a rule consistently, you show me, and it's fixed.
If a Player doesn't get a penalty and should, you show the Cm who can't see everything, and it's fixed, standings etc modified. Might see there Was a penalty, so that your concern was shown to have been addressed, might not know the full details, but that's just the way it is.
Rules are clear enough, that if everyone spends time reviewing them and making sure they are clear, instead of wasting time with this silly stuff, then the Rules improve because everyone is on the same page.
Isn't productivity nice?
This subject is growing old. It's time to get past it. You won't be banned for asking, but I will spend my time, and my team will spend their time on moving forward. Not ducking, hiding or anything, simply not opening things up where it's not your concern. This is the last time I'm going to explain that. If anyone hasn't figured it out by now, don't be surprised if you are simply ignored. If people insist on pushing the issue into the point of disruption, I'll deal with that on it's own merits.
I don't do KOTH, I have a team that does KOTH, I came here to fix something broken. It's fixed, and I have other things to get done now. Been nice chatting with you all.
I'm in the same squad, considering you guys have banned a entire squad in the past, what afects players in my squad can affect me besides that this is all out on the public forum. Anyone who reads it, can input their opinions.
What about the fact, that in your forum PM to me you specifically stated that Lute was not banned as a CM for KOTH events because of the in game PM he made. You specify said it was not winging and he didn't break any rules. You said the reason he was banned from the event was bickering with other players or what ever you called it, I forget. In any means you made a very specific point of justifying that Lute didn't break any rules or cheat with his PM.
Yet you turn around and give m00t a short ban for the exact same thing that you claimed was ok for your CM. How is that not a double standard? How is asking who killed someone worse than PMing the location of a player who has a chance of winning the event? If one is a tactical advantage the other is as well. So why is it cheating when m00t did it, but not when your CM did it?
You were extremely clear and went into much detail justifying why Lute's PM didn't break any rules yet now somehow m00t's squad text is much worse. Give me a break man, how can you not see how hypocritical that is? Hell man I even went on to post in my squad forum that there is no way m00t would get banned nor anyone else after the PM you sent.
I figured there surely isn't anyway you could justify banning anyone else after you went out of your way claiming Lute didn't do anything wrong with his PM. I figured it was all done and over with and things were back on track. Guess I was wrong.
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I'm voluntarily banning myself from reading anymore of this Soap Opera Warrior drivel.
How about we all get our panties untwisted, and fly and shoot stuff.
Balsy
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How about we all get our panties untwisted, and fly and shoot stuff.
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post sommore duck porn :aok
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If the Rules are clear, and the Players understand them, and the CMs apply the decisions consistently, then every single concern anyone has is thwarted.
Not your concern.
Rules are clear enough
If people insist on pushing the issue into the point of disruption, I'll deal with that on it's own merits.
ROC, I didn't get the PM.
The rules, and penalties of an event I participate in are my concern.
The rules in place when m00t's actions got his penalty are in question along with the actions of the CM staff that delivered the penalty. What rule did m00t break to get a ban????????????????????
I won't play KOTH again unless I get an explanation, but then again, one less Muppet might be what the CM's want.......apparently? My squad feels very dishonored by what we saw, and how this was handled, and in that respect, I am involved. Consider my absence at KOTH my protest.
Lastly, threatening people does not give the one doing the threatening credibility, quite the contrary.
Done.
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If anyone wants a fair, yet raw and to the point alternative to KOTH, look up 'The Kennel' in the DA...
:salute
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Why not be open about what m00t was banned for? I don't understand.... Would that not lead to clarification of the KOTH rules to play by?? Are you guys (CMs) not saying why he was banned b/c you feel it might jeopardize the KOTH event further??
Honest communication seems the wiser choice here imo..
Also, to clarify, I have asked m00t why he was banned.. m00t was unable to give a satisfactory reply that could be applied to the 'known' set of rules in KOTH.
What ever the reason in the end it is the CM's choice.. Certainly the players could and should be trusted to the workings of the KOTH justice system since we play knowing we are subject to that system..
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What ever happened to a good ole' public flogging?
Seems more fun than some cloak & dagger stuff.
I've only flown KOTH 2 or 3 times, but just a humble question.....
If it is TRULY every man for himself, why are there ANY forms of communication allowed besides a "fight on" by the CM or a one-way commo channel to the CM for "No-Joys" Can the radio simply be shut down?
I'm sure you don't give a
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what I think, as I am only 1 guy, but considering what I have seen going on lately, I am less inclined to participate in KOTH than ever. I am also less likely to tout it to my friends.
I have no intentions of taking sides, but I just wanted to give a total outside opinion (before you tell me how opinions are like arse's , etc ... save it for someone who cares)
Players committing infractions:
Most of you are not new. The rules are (mostly) clear. Flirting with disaster, or skirting dangerously on the edge of (or trying to "bend") the rules as much as possible OR constantly testing the limits of said rules will piss off anyone "in-charge" Claiming ignorance will not cut it, either. "Who, little ole' me?" is easily transparent. Playing with fire will eventually get you burned.
In short, don't push your luck.
now
Persons In Charge
"Because I said so" is what we tell our kids. "Because it's da rulz" is kinda weak. "He knows what he did wrong" is less-than informative. "It's none of you business" is plain rude, especially coming from persons who are volunteers and not paid employees of HTC. The combination of any or all of the above can come across as many things:
A witch hunt for certain players, or squads
An attempt to make an arena one group's own private sandbox
An excuse for making a bad judgment call and a now lame attempt to sweep it under the carpet.
A way to "even the score" with another player or squad that you may have a less-than-perfect rapport with
In short. Bring it in the open, explain it thoroughly and concisely, admit any mistakes made(if any) and make it perfectly clear that the matter is closed, that there will be no more discussions about it, and what the (clear) penalties for doing so are..
Just some outsider observations guys and , as always, feel free to tell me where to shove them. From my point of view, and I'm sure I can't be the only one, the playground is getting too muddy to play in. The drama to old fashioned shooting each other ratio is out of proportion.
Flame on :aok
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If anyone wants a fair, yet raw and to the point alternative to KOTH, look up 'The Kennel' in the DA...
:salute
When are they there? I must be on at the wrong times
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When are they there? I must be on at the wrong times
We make it a point to avoid you... at all costs!!!! :O :O
:noid :noid :noid
donkey
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When are they there? I must be on at the wrong times
tis the smell of musaca in your breath that we avoid! :rock
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When are they there? I must be on at the wrong times
seconded..............have seen no kennel in weeks............
one question I have, if m00t mentions in his email or PM that "he knows why or is aware he could be penalized" then why are the rest of you ( us, me ) continouing to drag this out?
All m00t or ROC has to do is cut & paste that part of the message where m00t typed such a thing? what do ya think?
I really could care less either way, I just did not like how the 2 posts
one titled "m00t" the 2nd titled "New Koth Rules" ( which are really just some extended wordly same rules we have always had from the beginning )
these 2 new post popped up to close together, you should have posted one 2 days or more before posting the latter or vice versa...................are any of you confused yet?
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K, here is the old MOTD that I had loaded in previous to the new rules. Note the red arrow.
Da' Rules...
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> TUNE RADIO 5 to CH 101, [ .radio 5 101 ] <
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This is NOT a chatroom, keep the chatter to a minimum.
Excessive talkers to people inflight will be muted. No <-------
Squad text or PM's is allowed.
The Rules Of Engagement for KOTH.
1) Fighter, Fighter/Attack, and most Bomber/Attack planes
can be used.
* Do not use rear guns on attack planes.
* No B5N2, Ju 88A-4 or Ki-67.
2) ALL players will take off from the same field.
* Fuel and ammo loadout is pilot's choice.
3) Allow everyone adequate separation on roll-out (5K min).
* If under 5k before fight called, the 'NoJoy' rule applies.
3A) When 'NoJoy' time announced, call nojoy if too close.
* When the fight starts, you can not attack a player you
nojoyed.
* You must find someone else to fight first.
* If BOTH people agree to fight after separating they can
cancel their nojoy.
4) Maximum altitude is 6K during the fight, no exceptions.
* Wind will be 180MPH straight up, End Flight, ".ef" if you
do.
5) The distance boundary is the giant 20k crater wall.
6) NO WINGING! (dogpiling on a 2-timer is NOT winging)
* Winging is a coordinated attack on a single plane or when
engaged with multiple targets passing up obvious shots on
certain targets.
7) Skirting the edge of the fight is prohibited.
* Either be IN a fight, or headed TO the closest fight at
all times!
8) Running (refusing to engage) for an extended period of
time is prohibited.
* After 30 seconds you must reverse and merge.
9) If your engine dies, your plane is unflyable due to
damage, or you run out of ammo, End Flight ".ef" immediately.
* Fuel, oil, or radiator damage is OK until your engine
stops running.
* Pilot wounds and burning planes are OK until you die or
explode.
* You need to be in powered and controlled flight at all
times.
* Controlled flight means you can perform general flight
maneuvers if needed. If you can't you should end flight.
10) If you get shot down, please End Flight ".ef"
* Do not linger on the ground if you ditch or in a chute,
it is a distraction to people still fighting.
11) If you are one of the last two, anything goes. Then
fight to the death!
12) Winner of previous round picks the plane for the next
round.
13) Win three rounds and you win the event and are KOTH
for the month
14) Film your rounds incase there is a issue, U can back
it up with film if there is a problem. Films can be emailed
to me at oldmaddog@rcn.com. If I get any films during
the halftime break, I will Review them and DQ any pilot that
breaks any rule for that round.
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Unless you are one of the last two. Then fight to the death!
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Now, I will say this. I know that the AHevents page didn't have the lastest rules posted till now. Awhile back there was a problem with the site and stuff was restored with a earlier backup. Needless to say, we never checked it. So I will say that my bad. But that doesn't negate what I had in the MOTD and going over the rules before every KOTH.
This is what we suspended Bosco and his squad for. Now, if U think I was unfair in apply the new rules to the suspesion, I can use the old rules and give the entire AOM squad a 2 month suspension and m00t a 4 month suspension. The squad for breaking rule of communication on squad text and m00t for samething and asking for info related to KOTH. I actually think I was more then fair. Difference between this and bosco's, Bosco admitted his guilt. This we have film of it.
Now, I know U guys know the rule as I stated before, They were gone over at every KOTH plus the fact that Bosco and his crew were also suspended for.
If this is not clear enough for yas then speak to my Boss or HTC. Now stop trying to find loop holes in the rules or circumventing them. I done with subject. :salute
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I've only flown KOTH 2 or 3 times, but just a humble question.....
If it is TRULY every man for himself, why are there ANY forms of communication allowed besides a "fight on" by the CM or a one-way commo channel to the CM for "No-Joys" Can the radio simply be shut down?
We as a CM team have asked HTC to give us a switch or what ever to disable communication. Otherwise the only otherway to control this is to have everyone send me there films. IMHO, that way to many films. For ex.: 30 people X 14 rounds = 420 films. That is not gonna happen,lol.
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1. Now, if U think I was unfair in apply the new rules to the suspesion, I can use the old rules and give the entire AOM squad a 2 month suspension and m00t a 4 month suspension.
2. and m00t for asking for info related to KOTH.
3. Difference between this and bosco's, Bosco admitted his guilt.
3 things here:
1. The entire AoM squad? Or just the ones that were on text that day?(smelly)
2. asking for info related to KOTH?????? (not smelling good)
3. This comment about how bosco admitted his guilt and m00t didn't smells of bias. (stinky)
So let me get this straight, m00t got a ban for asking who it is he is going to be fighting when only two are left, he and the other fellow? :rofl ...and you want him to admit his guilt??? :rofl Guilt only comes from someone knowingly doing something wrong, brother. Also, you think you should have banned the "entire AoM squad"? :rofl
I want to see you type publicly that Lute was banned from being a CM for breaking the rules.
Thanks for explaining the situation. :aok
I'm done with this topic. :aok
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You know what I said to get banned SR, I said "WTG, ur doing good!"
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You know what I said to get banned SR, I said "WTG, ur doing good!"
Maybe it was bad grammar. :noid
You should have phrased it "You are doing well."
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When are they there? I must be on at the wrong times
Usually half a dozen of us on at night. Haven't seen you there in weeks either. Guess time zone differences.
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See Rules #4, #5
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K, here is the old MOTD that I had loaded in previous to the new rules. Note the red arrow.
Da' Rules...
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> TUNE RADIO 5 to CH 101, [ .radio 5 101 ] <
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This is NOT a chatroom, keep the chatter to a minimum.
Excessive talkers to people inflight will be muted. No <-------
Squad text or PM's is allowed.
[...]
I have one request for the rules: Make them clear, and post them here well ahead of the event.
I wouldn't get involved in this, except that it makes no sense.
Now looking at what Dogg posted above and looking at the quote below...
Wasn't m00t banned for the February event?...February 9th to be exact?
Below is a post Dogg made on February 11th.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,226561.0.html
Here is the entire list of Rules. Fuzeman is the FriKOTH CM, I am the SatKOTH CM.
They are held twice a month, 1 on friday of a month, other on a saturday of a month. Dates will be posted here in the KOTH forum and on the calendar.
Any more ?'s, feel free to ask.
Da' Rules...
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> TUNE RADIO 5 to CH 101, [ .radio 5 101 ] <
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This is NOT a chatroom, keep the chatter to a minimum.
Excessive talkers to people inflight will be muted.
The Rules Of Engagement for KOTH.
1) Fighter, Fighter/Attack, and most Bomber/Attack planes
can be used.
* Do not use rear guns on attack planes.
* No B5N2, Ju 88A-4, B25's, B26's or Ki-67.
2) ALL players will take off from the same field.
* Fuel and ammo loadout is pilot's choice.
3) Allow everyone adequate separation on roll-out (5K min).
* If under 5k before fight called, the 'NoJoy' rule applies.
3A) When 'NoJoy' time announced, call nojoy if too close.
* When the fight starts, you can not attack a player you
nojoyed.
* You must find someone else to fight first.
* If BOTH people agree to fight after separating they can
cancel their nojoy.
4) Maximum altitude is 6K during the fight, no exceptions.
* Wind will be 180MPH straight up, End Flight, ".ef" if you
do.
5) The distance boundary is the giant 20k crater wall.
6) NO WINGING! (dogpiling on a 2-timer is NOT winging)
* Winging is a coordinated attack on a single plane or when
engaged with multiple targets passing up obvious shots on
certain targets.
7) Skirting the edge of the fight is prohibited.
* Either be IN a fight, or headed TO the closest fight at
all times!
8) Running (refusing to engage) for an extended period of
time is prohibited.
* After 30 seconds you must reverse and merge.
9) If your engine dies, your plane is unflyable due to
damage, or you run out of ammo, End Flight ".ef" immediately.
* Fuel, oil, or radiator damage is OK until your engine
stops running.
* Pilot wounds and burning planes are OK until you die or
explode.
* You need to be in powered and controlled flight at all
times.
* Controlled flight means you can perform general flight
maneuvers if needed. If you can't you should end flight.
10) If you get shot down, please End Flight ".ef"
* Do not linger on the ground if you ditch or in a chute,
it is a distraction to people still fighting.
11) If you are one of the last two, anything goes. Then
fight to the death!
12) Winner of previous round picks the plane for the next
round.
13) Win three rounds and you win the event and are KOTH
for the month.
14) Film your rounds incase there is a issue, U can back
it up with film if there is a problem. Films can be emailed
to me at oldmaddog@rcn.com. If I get any films during
the halftime break, I will Review them and DQ any pilot that
breaks any rule for that round.
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Unless you are one of the last two. Then fight to the death!
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TO WIN...
you just have to win three rounds... It's easy!
Most Importantly...
HAVE FUN!!!!
*Use CM-eye [F5] mode to enjoy the action after you die!*
You may have to set up CM-Eye for it to work, here's how.
There are a few ways of course but it is easier to set up
a 'Mode 3' and use your joystick buttons and throttle.
1) Go into Options > Controls > Map Controlers
2) Open the Mode Selection menu, select 'Mode 3'
3) Hit the 'Copy Mode 1' button
4) Select Button 0, set to 'View CM Eye Move Forward'
5) Select Button 1, set to 'View CM Eye Move Backward'
6) Select Button 2, set to 'View CM Eye Move Map'(optional)
7) Go to 'Map Keys' and set an available key to
select Mode 3.
I personally set it to the * on the keypad.
However, there are other keys you can use.
CM Eye should now work.
Hit F5 from the Tower, then your key to enter Mode 3.
Joystick buttons 0, 1 and 2 will move you around in CM Eye.
Your throttle controls how fast you move.
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seconded..............have seen no kennel in weeks............
one question I have, if m00t mentions in his email or PM that "he knows why or is aware he could be penalized" then why are the rest of you ( us, me ) continouing to drag this out?
All m00t or ROC has to do is cut & paste that part of the message where m00t typed such a thing? what do ya think?
I really could care less either way, I just did not like how the 2 posts
one titled "m00t" the 2nd titled "New Koth Rules" ( which are really just some extended wordly same rules we have always had from the beginning )
these 2 new post popped up to close together, you should have posted one 2 days or more before posting the latter or vice versa...................are any of you confused yet?
Why? Because the CM's are applying a double standard. Yes they did ban Lute but they went out of their way to say Lute's PM's were not cheating and he was banned for other reasons. Then they turn around and claim m00t's PM's were cheating.
So some how a CM that was PMing the location of another player was not cheating, but simply asking who killed another player is cheating. Why are we carrying this one? Because it's the same double standard BS that went on before seems nothing was solved.