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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Ack-Ack on October 09, 2007, 02:31:03 PM
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From everything I've read, this was a pretty decent ride.
Specifications
Engine K14-1000a 14 cylinder air-cooled double-row radial, rated at 1000 hp.
Powerplant similar in design to Gnome-Rhone.
Construction Cantilever low-winged monoplane with semi-monocoque rear fuselage and welded steel tube forward and center sections.
Maximum Speed 317 MPH {510 KmH} at 13,000 ft. {4000m}
Climb to 1000m 1 minute 20 seconds
Climb to 4000m 5 minutes 40 seconds
Range 940 km
Dimensions Wingspan: Given as 10-10.7m {32 ft 1 in}
Length: 8.9m {32 ft}
Height: 3.6m {11ft 10in}
Wing Area: 16 square meters
Weight Unloaded: 1780kg
Loaded: 2250 kg {5040 lb}
Armament IAR-80: 4 to 6 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns, or 4 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns and 2 Browning FN 13.2mm Machine Guns. IAR-81: 6 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns or 4 Brownings and 2 Mauser {or Ikaria} 20mm Cannons. Ceiling 10500m {34500 ft}
Variants IAR-80 4 FN 7.92 guns in wings-50 built
IAR-80a 6 FN 7.92 guns-90 built
IAR-80b 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 13.2mm cannon, new radio gea-31 built
IAR-81 6 FN 7.92 guns, 1 250kg {550 lb} C/L 4 50 kg. {110 lb} U/L-50 built
IAR-81b 2 20mm Oerlikon {MG FF}, 4 FN 7.92 2 drop tanks-50 built
IAR-81c 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 20mm. Mauser MG 151 wing hard points-38 built
IAR-80 D.C. Two-seat trainer, used until 1952
ack-ack
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nice specs...i wouldnt mind seeing this one in the game
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I dont know... there are some more heavily produced fighters I would rather see *cough Yak series cough*.
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Treize should be along sometime soon.
("It's pronounced 'trays'!")
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From what i have read about the aircraft the allies thought it was a joke and they could easiely handle them if encounted.
suppriseling they were given a shock when they meet them.
I would love to see something like this in the game,although getting the corect data might be hard and geing good origional pictures and stuff
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yo know I like things that look like the 190 series, but I still have to go to the italian airforce. I still want that G-55 in this game
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Specifications
Armament IAR-80: 4 to 6 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns, or 4 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns and 2 Browning FN 13.2mm Machine Guns. IAR-81: 6 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns or 4 Brownings and 2 Mauser {or Ikaria} 20mm Cannons. Ceiling 10500m {34500 ft}
Variants IAR-80 4 FN 7.92 guns in wings-50 built
IAR-80a 6 FN 7.92 guns-90 built
IAR-80b 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 13.2mm cannon, new radio gea-31 built
IAR-81 6 FN 7.92 guns, 1 250kg {550 lb} C/L 4 50 kg. {110 lb} U/L-50 built
IAR-81b 2 20mm Oerlikon {MG FF}, 4 FN 7.92 2 drop tanks-50 built
IAR-81c 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 20mm. Mauser MG 151 wing hard points-38 built
IAR-80 D.C. Two-seat trainer, used until 1952
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That should say-
IAR-81 6 Browning FN 7.92 guns
IAR-81A 4 Browning FN 7.92 guns and 2 Mauser or Ikaria MG/FF 20mm cannon
The 81, 81A, and 81B were all JaBo version that could carry the same bombload. The C was built as a fighter, with the shackles and attachments modified to take a small DT under each wing.
The 80 with a pair of 13mm MGs was more of a later up-gun mod than a factory version. The slight difference in wingspans noted above is due the the fact that the wings were lengthened slightly beyond the ailerons (the very outer section of the wing, before the rounded tip) during the 80A run.
The whole series had a wingloading of around 27ft/sq.in., as compared to the SpitV which had a loading of 24 pounds, the Yak 9 which had 37 pounds, and the P-51 which had 47 pounds. It might be relatively slow, but the thing could turn on a dime, and probably had excellent low-speed handling for those on-the-deck furballs of the Eastern Front. Its biggest drawbacks were speed and low numbers, but even then a substantial number survived the war.
I still say the best versions to do for AH would be the 80A, 81A, and 81C. 80A and 81A could be used in the EW setup, 81C from the MW on. I still have the goal of accomplishing a feat no IAR pilot actually managed during the war- to shoot down a P-51. They got lots of P-38s and bombers, but no Mustangs.
(http://80thfs.homestead.com/IAR-80A.jpg)
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Originally posted by Scherf
Treize should be along sometime soon.
("It's pronounced 'trays'!")
I knew my ears were burning today. :)
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Thumbs up!
Although, with the pilot sitting entirely behind the wing, seeing over that long nose while landing must have been nigh on to impossible. If we *do* get this ride in AH, make sure that you have rudder pedals, so you can side-slip down to the runway threshold.
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Originally posted by Bino
Thumbs up!
Although, with the pilot sitting entirely behind the wing, seeing over that long nose while landing must have been nigh on to impossible. If we *do* get this ride in AH, make sure that you have rudder pedals, so you can side-slip down to the runway threshold.
Probably similar to the Corsair
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Treize and I have been pushing for this ride, for a long time.
I'd rather see this, than a "duplicate".
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Originally posted by Bino
Thumbs up!
Although, with the pilot sitting entirely behind the wing, seeing over that long nose while landing must have been nigh on to impossible. If we *do* get this ride in AH, make sure that you have rudder pedals, so you can side-slip down to the runway threshold.
That was one of the few complaints the LW pilot who test flew it in 1940 had about it was its view on landing and on the ground. He loved flying it, said it was much more maneuverable than the 109 and had excellent handling characteristics at all speeds, its only disadvantages in combat were lower speed (and climbrate) and MG only armament at the time.
Incidentally, his poor visability after touchdown caused him to taxi it into the mud and get stuck, so he wasn't kidding.
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The 38 drivers of the 1st FG didn't think the IAR80s were lousy opponents. They thought they were 190s.
June of 44, 1st FG P38s and Rumanian IAR80s that were misidentified as 190s in the mass of confusion. Quoting "Stub" Hatch who was in the thick of it.
"...At this point we were only 250-300 feet off the ground. As we pulled up
slightly to turn back north again somebody hollered, 'Cragmore Break left
for Chrissake!' I looked to my left and there was a whole flock of FW 190s
headed in from 10 O'clock high.
Our entire squadron broke to the left. As I continued around in my sharp
turn a lone 190 came out of nowhere and pulled right across in front of me.
He was so close -fifty to seventy five yards away- that all I could see in
my ring sight was the belly of his fuselage and the wing roots. I opened
fire with all four 50-caliber machine guns and the 20mm cannon and I just
damn near blew him in half. That saved my neck because when I rolled out
to shoot at the 190 I looked to my right and here comes another bunch of
190s from my 2 0'clock.
There were four 190s in the lead. I did the only thing I could do. I
turned sharply to my right, pulled up and fired again. The leader was
150-250 yards away, nearly head on and slightly to my left. I set the lead
190 on fire with a burst that went through the engine, left side of the
cockpit and the wing root. The 190 rolled to its right and passed me on my
left. I didn't see him crash but my gun camera film showed the fire and my
wingman Lt. Joe Morrison, confirmed that he crashed. Unfortunately the
other three 190s in that flight went right over my head and down on the
tails of Green flight leader and his wingman. Both were shot down.
As I continued my turn around to my right, my wingman stayed with me and I
saw another 190 right up behind one of my tentmates, Joe Jackson flying as
Cragmore white 4. I closed in on that one from about his five o'clock and
tried to shoot his canopy off from about 100 yards, but I was too late to
save Joe. By then the 190 had set Jackson's plane on fire. Joe's plane
rolled over and went in and he was killed. I finally did get a burst into
the cockpit area and the 190 followed Joe right into the ground.
I was still turning to the right, going quite slowly by then, because I had
my combat flaps down. I turned maybe another 90 degrees to my right when I
saw on of our 38s coming head on with a 190 on his tail. We were still
only around 300 feet and the P38 passed over me by fifty-seventy five feet.
I pulled up my nose and opened fire on the trailing 190 from a distance of
about 150-200 yards. He kept coming head on and I shot off the bottom half
of his engine. He nosed down still shooting at me and I had to dump the
yoke hard to miss him. He was burning when he went over me, by not more
then three feet and part of his right wing knocked about three inches off
the top of my left rudder.
As the 190 went over my head I saw three more making a pass at me from my
left. I turned so fast I lost Joe Morrison. I missed my shot that time
but when these three went over me they went after Morrison. I saw three
190s diving on another 38. I snap shot at the leader from about 90 degree
deflection. I hit his left wing and shredded the aileron. He fell off on
his wing and went in. He was so low there was no chance for him to
recover. I kept on going around to my left and shot at the second one with
was going away from me on my left. I hit him, but I am not sure if he went
in. I know I knocked a bunch of pieces off his cowling and fuselage but I
didn't have time to see what was happening to him.
I looked to my 2 o'clock and here comes another 190 right at me. It was
too late for me to turn. I just shut my eyes and hunched down in the
cockpit. I thought I had bought the farm right there. But he missed me,
he never even hit my ship. I think he missed me because I was going so
slowly. He overestimated my speed and was overleading me. I started to
turn his way and when he went behind me I continued on around. There was
another one out there so I closed in on him. I took aim, fired but my guns
only fired about ten rounds and quit. I was out of ammo. I damaged him a
bit but he flew away.
I cannot over emphasize what a melee that was. There were at least twelve
P38s in that little area, all of them at very low altitude. Somewhere
between 25 and 30 190s were also there. None of us were at more then 200
or 300 feet and some were quite a bit lower. The topography was kind of a
little hollow with hills on each side. It was by far the wildest melee I
saw in sixty odd combat missions I flew. I heard one guy who had been
wounded pretty badly, scream until he went in. It was a wild, wild few
minutes. And a few minutes is all it was. According to the mission report
from our debriefing the whole fight took something like three to six
minutes. I had no inkling of elapsed time while it was going on. I was too
damned busy trying to stay alive...."
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Originally posted by rogerdee
From what i have read about the aircraft the allies thought it was a joke and they could easiely handle them if encounted.
suppriseling they were given a shock when they meet them.
I would love to see something like this in the game,although getting the corect data might be hard and geing good origional pictures and stuff
They were MORE THAN a handful against the Allies.
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Its buried quite deep, so-
(http://community.mjeol.com/images/smilies/smilie_bump.gif)
(http://www.worldwar2.ro/arr/iar81c.JPG)
(http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto/vizanti1.jpg)
(http://www.webkits.com.br/news/articlefiles/282-Foto%207.jpg)
(http://www.afwing.com/images/iar80/IAR81B.jpg)
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Treize, you should add to your sig, "Treize - the bumper of dead threads.."
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Don't do it often, but was thinking again today how much I wanted to fly it in AH, so I dug up the old thread rather than start a new one.
And while we're at it, a 109E-7 so I can carry bombs :aok
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RC
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z36/spiked73/iar80-1.jpg)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z36/spiked73/iar80.jpg)
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Come on HiTech! Give us this craft!
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Hey Karaya.... shhhh.... don't tell anyone...
http://www.warbirdkits.com/IAR-80A/IAR-80.html (http://www.warbirdkits.com/IAR-80A/IAR-80.html)
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I am mesmerised,
mesmerised by the, ahm
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Hmmm low wing loading, possiblity of a cannon armed varient, good handling, Russian planeset filler, whats not to like here folks?
YES PLEASE! I'll take 2!
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Hmmm low wing loading, possiblity of a cannon armed varient, good handling, Russian planeset filler, whats not to like here folks?
YES PLEASE! I'll take 2!
Russian??
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Romanian not Russian
:aok
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Treize, you should add to your sig, "Treize - the bumper of dead threads.."
There are some old threads that are worthy of a "bump" and this is one of those threads.
ack-ack
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I ahve flown the IAR 81c in IL2, it is a good bird. Rather responsive on the controls, good punch and an over all delight to fly. Of course I find the cockpit layout to be a bit muddled next to my beloved MC.200, 202, 205 , G.50, and..... Wait for it..... Bf.109E-7/Z and Bf.109G-6AS/U4 (yep Im the alt monkey I love nirto :) )
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Im all for filling out the Russian plane set as long as this is included. http://www.airpages.ru/cgi-bin/epg.pl?nav=ru80&page=tu2
BTW 547 KPH = 339.890 MPH. And 3,000 kg = 6 613.867 pounds.:D
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It wouldn't fill out or add to the Russian planeset as the Iar-80 was a Romanian built and designed aircraft.
ack-ack
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yeah what Ack-Ack said, it's not RUSSian it is ROMANian. :D
But it would be nice to have.
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Yes, Romanian.
IAR = Industria Aeronautică Română
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Never heard of this airplane before and I just spent 10 mins studying its history. It would be an interesting addition. Apparently it was well like by those who flew it and it put a pretty good thump on Yank bombers in its day.
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found this w2hen I googled iar-80... first result:
http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/farmer/120/iar.html
good pics
from Wikipedia:
The IAR 80 was a Romanian World War II low-wing, monoplane, all-metal construction fighter aircraft. When first flown in 1938, it was competitive with most of the contemporary designs, like the German Bf-109E, the British Hawker Hurricane and the Supermarine Spitfire. It entered service in 1942, and although there were plans to replace it fairly quickly it was forced to remain in front-line use until 1944, by which point it was entirely outdated.
If we had this in AH2... Oh boy... another airplane that is competitive only in EW/MW arenas!
Also AckAck Pomania fought on the AXIS side of the war, Apparently Stalin was more of a "Monster" to the Eastern Europeans, than was Hitler... go figure.
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romania started off with the axis so they could get there land back that was taken from them by other countries like hungry ect ect.
When the goverenment were over thrown they then came to fight on the allies side.
pity that after the war England and America left them for the russians which the romanians didnt want.
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Go with the IAR.81c if youre bent on an IAR product :)
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Yes. :aok
Oink
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Originally posted by rogerdee
romania started off with the axis so they could get there land back that was taken from them by other countries like hungry ect ect.
When the goverenment were over thrown they then came to fight on the allies side.
pity that after the war England and America left them for the russians which the romanians didnt want.
My take on History:
The Romanians switched sides when it became apparent that the Soviets were going to win and hoped that the allies would not allow the Soviet Union to make them into a "satteite" state. The Allies sold out all of Eastern Europe to Stalin at the Yalta Conference, including "recent converts" to the allied cause Including the Romanians... BTW, The Romanian Army was a large part of "Operation Barbarossa" and fought along side the Whermact in almost every major campaign on the Eastern front, notably the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk ("Operation Citidel").
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Another interesting fact on this plane. The factory that produced this fighter eventually halted production of the IAR-80 series and began making the BF-109 series under license. I still think it would be a great addition to the planeset. By the way what variant are we talking about? A, B or C? Each variant had different features and uses.
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I still say the base 80 (which was in service for the summer of '41), 81A (upgunned, slightly later) and 81C (for MW).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2fjvPIQYMw
Skip ahead to about the 1:40 mark, unless you want to look at a bunch of pretty pictures for that long.
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I.A.R. 81c or bust!!!!
I've talked to HT himself back in 2003 about this plane, he was unfamiliar with it. I hope now this becomes a plane to use.
IDGAF if it's a "MW" ride or not. The kills I land in the LWA are myself being in EW/MW rides.
If we get this, this will be the ONLY plane I roll.
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Hey K, if you ever pop into the AvA, you can rock the yellow cross in a 109 with us... :cool:
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Originally posted by Treize69
Hey K, if you ever pop into the AvA, you can rock the yellow cross in a 109 with us... :cool:
I may be cheap, but I'm not easy! So, uhh...when you gonna be in the AvA? :D
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LoL, probably on and off right through tonight. Gonna pop in and out a few times this afternoon, watch the Giants-Packers game, then probably fly all night (unless the numbers get too lopsided).
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I still think IAR.81C .it is not that bad of a bird.
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I just can not let this thread die so this is not so much as a bump, but more of my afirming my belief in the IAR-81.c . It is a sound airframe with a decent engine and a good solid mix of MG and Cannon.
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I hope that one day soon, i see this plane in AH, i can imagine it...new update, me entering the game...hangar...scrolling down on the list...and there i see it IAR81c....!! Oh yes, the moment :D, I would fly this most of the time. Would love to see a scenario of Ploiesti, or other battles over Romanian territory. Treize would make great skins for it :aok. How can we get some sort of answear form the officials? Maybe a petition? :lol
This plane was on 4th place when it was produced.
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I just noticed, this plane is very very light, it's 5621lbs loaded (max fuel + 450kg ord.), let's say you don't take the 450 ord. It gets even lighter...5621lbs-992lbs (the 450kg ord.) = 4629lbs at max load, i think that it pretty impressive. A power to weight ratio...4629lbs/1025HP=4,5lbs/1HP, that's better then most planes in AH. I think many will fly it, 2x MG 151/20 - 175 rounds/gun + 4 FN 7,29 - 400 rounds/gun. It's lighter than a spitfire mk 1 :D. Maybe somebody can compare this plane better with what we have in the game, i think it has the handling of a early spit, fire power of a late spit (8,9). And similar cockpit visibility (not sure about back-view visibility).
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Again, give us the I.A.R. 81c
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want
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Anybody for a petition sort of thing? :lol
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petition heck, lets just kidnap their pets and hold them hostage. :D
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If they would ever want to get this plane in the game, i would gladly help in the gathering of data/hi-res pictures/information from Bucharest Military Museum of WW2. They just need to ask me :D
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If they would ever want to get this plane in the game, i would gladly help in the gathering of data/hi-res pictures/information from Bucharest Military Museum of WW2. They just need to ask me :D
I think this would be helpful in any case. Go for it! :aok
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The funny thing is I was about to do one of those "search" replies with the 7 IAR-80 threads until I realized that this is just bumped.........
SO YEAH.... BRING IT ON! It would be a fine addition.
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Anybody for a petition sort of thing? :lol
Hijacking HT's scotch works best. :noid
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If they would ever want to get this plane in the game, i would gladly help in the gathering of data/hi-res pictures/information from Bucharest Military Museum of WW2. They just need to ask me :D
Do it, and post up some pics. I'd enjoy some for my desktop wallpaper.
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Iar-80 FTW.
I want my countries plane in this game soooooo bad.
And yes, someome take HT's scotch, and he can get more then just this :pray
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My guess is that when they do research for a new plane, they sometimes go in that country, to see the plane, take as much hi-res pictures of it, from all possible angles, i may be very wrong about this. I would be glad to help them by going at the museum and talking getting "access". The rest of the data is available on the internet, engine power/characteristics, etc.
P.S: thedudee95, de unde esti? daca esti din Bucuresti este ideal.
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(http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2005/01/images/profile_iar80_02.jpg)
I just love the long slick nose, and the low profile.
Pefrect image, IAR taking down p38 :D
(http://hsgalleries.com/images/IAR81h.jpg)
That canopy flows so well with the long nose...
(http://www.constantinionescu.ro/iar80_05.jpg)
(http://images.google.ro/imgres?imgurl=http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/airshow01/constanta/iar80.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/airshow01/constanta/iar80.htm&usg=__pzVvQMi6q_r-RJAk23Td67ZEQ1c=&h=450&w=700&sz=95&hl=ro&start=55&um=1&tbnid=ytW01QCmTJQzMM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Diar%2B80%26start%3D42%26ndsp%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dro%26sa%3DN)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8141/iar80aky2.jpg)
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send them all the info you find. I'm local so Ill deliver the scotch. how can they say no? lol
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If we're taking up a scotch collection, I'd gladly part with a bottle or two of Famous Grouse for the IAR. :aok
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My guess is that when they do research for a new plane, they sometimes go in that country, to see the plane, take as much hi-res pictures of it, from all possible angles, i may be very wrong about this. I would be glad to help them by going at the museum and talking getting "access". The rest of the data is available on the internet, engine power/characteristics, etc.
P.S: thedudee95, de unde esti? daca esti din Bucuresti este ideal.
Medias :)
Also great pics. I got IL2 1946, and i go ingame and get some info.
Positng it here soon :)
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Ok i got some good info on the Iar-80 and Iar-81 from IL2 1946. Everything in that game is super realistic and hte info is 100% correct becuase they have peopel in the team that know their stuff :)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-21-40-64.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-21-44-30.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-21-46-24.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-21-48-44.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-21-50-92.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-21-52-95.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-22-01-53.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-22-03-65.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-22-04-90.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-22-11-89.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-22-11-89.jpg)
(http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/thedude9555/il2fb2009-03-0420-22-13-73.jpg)
Hows this :)
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Ok i got some good info on the Iar-80 and Iar-81 from IL2 1946. Everything in that game is super realistic and hte info is 100% correct becuase they have peopel in the team that know their stuff :)
:lol
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texas, i would gladly go to Bucharest for 3-4 weeks and gather data, but it's useless if they don't want to put it in the game. thedude95 :lol, il2 "super uber realistic" ? was that some sort of thin ironic module? or you really believe that il2 is like that, if yes, you've got it all wrong... :aokm I noticed the number "95", you born in 1995? If so, i understand the "super duper realistic" il2 thing...
Let's say we email them and we get some sort of "OK" from them, how could i help besides lots of hires pictures? Nothing comes up in my mind so far, the information about engine performance and other technical characteristics are available on the internet, or I'm sure they already have 100% reliable sources for this type of information.
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Ok i got some good info on the Iar-80 and Iar-81 from IL2 1946. Everything in that game is super realistic and hte info is 100% correct becuase they have peopel in the team that know their stuff :)
Hows this :)
About as accurate as wikipedia.
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I want to see a HTC official say "YOU WILL GET IT!, NOW STOP IT" :lol, was thinking about making a special request e-mail in the name of several members that want this plane in the game :) anybody in? :D
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Won't do any good, we've been starting up these threads asking for it for at least the four years I've been here and there's been absolutely no comment from anyone at HTC. You'll either get a "Yeah, we'll think about it" message or they'll just blow you off.
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4 years? That is a lot of time. Too bad they don't want it in the game, I think they invested more hours in making that German half track, witch i think it's stupid, a lot of work for nothing. When they add a new plane, on what factor they add it? On ppl's demand? or do they decide what is best for the game...?
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I have no idea how they select them aside from user input (we did have that poll a while back), but they usually figure it out on their own. I question a lot of their additions (Sk251, Spixteen, Ta152, etc.) and omissions (IAR, He111, just about everything Russian) but its best to just stay patient and keep reminding them what a/c are wanted by the community and why we want them. I think "It fills a historical need" or "It fills a gap in the planeset that hurts in scenarios" works much better than "Its cool and I want to fly it".
Even though the IAR is all three IMO... :D
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"I just noticed, this plane is very very light, it's 5621lbs loaded (max fuel + 450kg ord.), let's say you don't take the 450 ord. It gets even lighter...5621lbs-992lbs (the 450kg ord.) = 4629lbs at max load, i think that it pretty impressive. A power to weight ratio...4629lbs/1025HP=4,5lbs/1HP, that's better then most planes in AH. I think many will fly it, 2x MG 151/20 - 175 rounds/gun + 4 FN 7,29 - 400 rounds/gun. It's lighter than a spitfire mk 1 . Maybe somebody can compare this plane better with what we have in the game, i think it has the handling of a early spit, fire power of a late spit (8,9). And similar cockpit visibility (not sure about back-view visibility)." - As i said one page behind, it's not a bad plane at all, even for MA, maybe the top speed isn't great at all, but the guns are more than decent, handling should be more than great, it's lighter than a spit 1, and it has a 4,5lbs/1hp for God's sake, that's better than MOST of the planes we have. I don't see any reason not to get it in-game, it's more than decent. I did read an older topic about this plane, everybody in that topic wanted it in, somebody said "think it's the first topic i've read, where everybody is ok with something" if those aren't the exact words, i'm sorry, but it was something similar. Would be a great scenario plane, it could be used in so many events.This plane has the look, it has the moves, i want it! :)
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Send an email, put my name on it too.
Karaya
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Great, 3 so far :aok
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If we ever started a petition, I'd sign it, but i don't think it would do a bit of good.
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4 years? That is a lot of time. Too bad they don't want it in the game, I think they invested more hours in making that German half track, witch i think it's stupid, a lot of work for nothing.
If they had put in the IAR instead of the 251, people would have said the same.
When they add a new plane, on what factor they add it? On ppl's demand? or do they decide what is best for the game...?
Their call. Though we had a poll some time ago, B-25 won and P-39 came second. Planes like the 410 or Re 2005 lost. If you know look at the P-39's usage numbers.... what people want and what they actually use can be quite different.
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Ok i got some good info on the Iar-80 and Iar-81 from IL2 1946. Everything in that game is super realistic and hte info is 100% correct becuase they have peopel in the team that know their stuff :)
Pure comedic gold.
ack-ack
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Send an email, put my name on it too.
Karaya
I'd say put my name in it too but they'd just think I was sending them porn again.
ack-ack
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I'd say put my name in it too but they'd just think I was sending them porn again.
ack-ack
Porn might help, as long as you stop sending them stuff with you in it.
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Once again, a bottle of scotch with a nice email full of porn can make wonders :)
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Once again, a bottle of scotch with a nice email full of porn can make wonders :)
That's what I tried but as Trieze pointed out, maybe sending naked pictures of myself laying on the bear skin rug in front of the fireplace with a roaring fire wasn't a good idea.
ack-ack
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That's what I tried but as Trieze pointed out, maybe sending naked pictures of myself laying on the bear skin rug in front of the fireplace with a roaring fire wasn't a good idea.
ack-ack
I bet if we put jessica alba's face instead of yours, photoshop the color a bit to make it look hot, and we're going somewhere :)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol
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Great, 3 so far :aok
in...
4 so far
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I bet if we put jessica alba's face instead of yours, photoshop the color a bit to make it look hot, and we're going somewhere :)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol
Please, stop. The IAR 80 wants you to....
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That's what I tried but as Trieze pointed out, maybe sending naked pictures of myself laying on the bear skin rug in front of the fireplace with a roaring fire wasn't a good idea.
ack-ack
Why didn't you just stick pins in his eyes. :lol
I agree with thedudee on this one, "The IAR 80 wants you to..." stop. :D
:aok for any Eastern front ride.
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IL2 1946 has 3 HE-111's..........
Man I am playing the wrong game! :salute
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4 years? That is a lot of time. Too bad they don't want it in the game, I think they invested more hours in making that German half track, witch i think it's stupid, a lot of work for nothing. When they add a new plane, on what factor they add it? On ppl's demand? or do they decide what is best for the game...?
With a response like that it's lucky we get anything new and I don't blame them for keeping development close to the cuff.
wrongway
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That's what I tried but as Trieze pointed out, maybe sending naked pictures of myself laying on the bear skin rug in front of the fireplace with a roaring fire wasn't a good idea.
ack-ack
Dear Cod, that image is an intolerable cruelty.
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Dear Cod, that image is an intolerable cruelty.
(http://static.flickr.com/19/116450033_4266fb5229_o.jpg)
ack-ack
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OMG, Ack-Ack is Buck Naked!
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4 years? That is a lot of time. Too bad they don't want it in the game, I think they invested more hours in making that German half track, witch i think it's stupid, a lot of work for nothing. When they add a new plane, on what factor they add it? On ppl's demand? or do they decide what is best for the game...?
People will say the same thing no matter what is added, including the IAR-80.
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People will say the same thing no matter what is added, including the IAR-80.
I disagree with this ride. We don't NEED 10 Hogs, 14 Jugs, 20 Spitfires before some others. This is a ride that gave the USAAF fits. This is a very capable ride from a "lesser known participant of WWII."
Absolutely folks will disagree with what I just said and IDGAF.
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I disagree with this ride. We don't NEED 10 Hogs, 14 Jugs, 20 Spitfires before some others. This is a ride that gave the USAAF fits. This is a very capable ride from a "lesser known participant of WWII."
Absolutely folks will disagree with what I just said and IDGAF.
i agree with masherbrum.
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I disagree with this ride. We don't NEED 10 Hogs, 14 Jugs, 20 Spitfires before some others. This is a ride that gave the USAAF fits. This is a very capable ride from a "lesser known participant of WWII."
I know. But a fair amount, if not a majority of people, will say 'zomg its not flown 'smuch as da spit16 its a hangar queen'.
Doesn't mean I would agree with them.
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add it, and we will come
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do it do it do it
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If they put it to vote ever again I commit to voting for this plane.
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Very cool looking plane. I'm all for it.
BTW though, don't you suspect the reason it gave the USAAF abit of trouble was that they were mistaking a plane than handles and performs alot like an early-model Spit for 190s, which handle, well, like 190s?
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Very cool looking plane. I'm all for it.
BTW though, don't you suspect the reason it gave the USAAF abit of trouble was that they were mistaking a plane than handles and performs alot like an early-model Spit for 190s, which handle, well, like 190s?
My statement still stands.
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The 152 was a questionable addition? :lol
You think 4 years is a long time to wait? How long did the Finns wait for the Brewster?
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If they put it to vote ever again I commit to voting for this plane.
If they ever do a vote like that again, we'll get another American aircraft regardless of what you or I vote for.
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If they ever do a vote like that again, we'll get another American aircraft regardless of what you or I vote for.
So true! :lol
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If they ever do a vote like that again, we'll get another American aircraft regardless of what you or I vote for.
Fine I think we ought to fill up the wish list page with nothin but IAR-80 wishes until we by god have a IAR-80. We can do a internet filibuster, why not it works for politicians. Unbearable whining and annoyance until we get what we want. :cry :aok
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I have thought about it a little and started woundering if Hitech would even be able to dig up enough info to even get close with the flight model. There really doesn't seem to be a lot of info on this plane and what info there is seems to counterdict it's self. I am sure that they know where to get better info than I do but I still think it would be a tough one for them.
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Iar-80 is a great choice. It adds more diversity and heck looks like fun.
+1
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(http://www.borchi.de/wp-content/gallery/fb-skins/iar-80.jpg)
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That must be a screen shot from IL-2, correct? How is it in that game?
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I've only flown the early version with 4x7.7mm machine guns, but besides the weak armament it's a decent aircraft. To me it compares well the 109F: a little slower but with a better turning circle. The ailerons and elevator are responsive at high speeds, and, IIRC, the engine torques to the right!
Keep in mind I have about one hour of stick time in the Iar-80 in Il-2, trying to shoot down Il-2s in one of the "Skies of Valor" setups.
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Cool, I wounder if any one knows how many 20mm rounds the IAR-80C carried, I can't find any specs that on that. Is all the specs that I find say is that it had 20mm guns, but not the load out.
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I'm guessing about 250 rounds per gun. The total firing time is a little less then 22 seconds, but unlike the FW190, the cannons aren't so close to the fuselage that they have to be synchronized with the propeller (hence a slightly faster rate of fire). 500 rounds of 20mm is a lot of fire power! The Iar-80c would definitely not be a hangar queen.
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Sounds good, where did you find this info?
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I just fired the cannons and timed the duration with a stop-watch, which was about the same as the Fw190 and C.205. You can buy the latest version of the game with all of the expansion packs for $10, so there's really no excuse for not having it on you drive. ;) The offline campaigns offer something very different from AH arena play, there are far more aircraft to fly (except for the 4 engine behemoths), online play is free... and boy is it purty!!!!
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IIRC, the engine torques to the right!
Yup, notice which way the prop spins. :)
(http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/uploads/post-2-1100394836.jpg)
(http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/uploads/post-2-1100394705.jpg)
Also, here's a photo of the cockpit of an IAR-80C, courtesy of Denes Bernad.
(http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/uploads/post-2-1100321239.jpg)
And no, I won't let this one die! :noid
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Good, I am with you. :aok
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I just fired the cannons and timed the duration with a stop-watch, which was about the same as the Fw190 and C.205. You can buy the latest version of the game with all of the expansion packs for $10, so there's really no excuse for not having it on you drive. ;) The offline campaigns offer something very different from AH arena play, there are far more aircraft to fly (except for the 4 engine behemoths), online play is free... and boy is it purty!!!!
Yep. Too bad the snap viewing system is so bad that it must literally be designed to make people buy TrackIR though. Nice little kickback deal? Or that Oleg apparently real airplanes have constant nose bounce for no apparent reason and that hosing a 190 down with .50s was slightly less effective than urinating on the thing. But yeah, at the end of the day its worth 10 bucks, especially if you got enough machine to crank the graphics *all* the way up.
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BnZs, I fixed the nose bounce issue with some very aggressive stick scaling and a little bit of deadband.
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Yeah, I did that, you can get some playable stability out of it that way, but still a little squirrelly.
In contrast, I fixed my bounce problems with AHII by turning scaling completely off...
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I dont know why but you remind me of...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=PlayList&p=A2C58CDFF32FA25C&index=0&playnext=1
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I would fly it. :aok
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I dont know why but you remind me of...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=PlayList&p=A2C58CDFF32FA25C&index=0&playnext=1
oh my :confused:
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(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4307/m8h0at.jpg)
(http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2005/03/images/iar80_06.jpg)
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Things that go "bump" in the night....
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Things that go "bump" in the night....
:rofl