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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: *UH* on November 03, 2006, 11:47:32 PM
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i know it was used as a "Buzz Bomb" killer for the brits...but i really think they should have this in the game.
(http://s115619818.websitehome.co.uk/meteor.jpg)
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I agree, Meteor III's were on the continent attacking ground targets with the 2nd TAF from January 1945 i believe, they definitely took part in Operation Clarion in Feb 1945. They nearly got a Fieseler Storch in the air, but it landed just before the cannon ripped it up.
They did strafe aircraft on the ground. It was just that the LW were AWOL so didnt get any air to air claims.
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/t_images/meteor3s.jpg)
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Meteor sorties are covered in the volume of this book btw.
2nd Tactical Air Force Volume 3 (http://www.amazon.com/2nd-Tactical-Air-Force-Victory/dp/1903223601/ref=pd_sim_b_2/103-8789603-2287820)
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yep give us another jet to use perks on even if it wont match a 262 it can still be fun
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i actually think the meteor would be better for most people than the 262 because it would be easier to fly and has quad hispano.
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sexy sexy sexy :O :eek:
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also...if they put it in the game...we can try it out 262 vs. meteor mk III
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*salaveting at the mere thought!!!
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Originally posted by *UH*
also...if they put it in the game...we can try it out 262 vs. meteor mk III
Not to hijack this thread but UH where in brooklyn do you live im over here in Queens
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Meteor would give the 262 a run for it's money.
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Better aim with the hispanios
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Originally posted by viper215
Not to hijack this thread but UH where in brooklyn do you live im over here in Queens
Bensonhurst
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Originally posted by *UH*
Bensonhurst
Glendale over here
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Slums of New York!
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hey...New York is a good place
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Originally posted by Stang
Slums of New York!
bah bengals suck
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Originally posted by viper215
bah bengals suck
WHO DEY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by *UH*
hey...New York is a good place
NYC is...thats where all my taxes go. People around here call it the "great sucking sound to the east."
The meteor would be great for the CT once it gets into the late war stages.
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Yes, we do need to add the meteor into the game.
Flying and fighting a 262 is great, but it does get boring over time flying the same superplane all the time.
It would be nice to have a rival in the arena to spark some major jet battles on small occasions.
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i'm sorry but you do not get any rewards for necro posting on 5 year old discussions... :lol
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WHO DEY!!!!!!!!!!!!
for once, we agree on something.
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Yes, we do need to add the meteor into the game.
Flying and fighting a 262 is great, but it does get boring over time flying the same superplane all the time.
It would be nice to have a rival in the arena to spark some major jet battles on small occasions.
3rd post....nice mega punt :aok
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4th for the sake of being 4th :P
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For your information, I am not punting this topic.
Just saying that having the 262 as the sole jet in the game seems out of place and that adding the
Meteor will add some variety for the jet jockies out there (including myself) :rock
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For your information, I am not punting this topic.
Just saying that having the 262 as the sole jet in the game seems out of place and that adding the
Meteor will add some variety for the jet jockies out there (including myself) :rock
Ok? So u post in a thread that hadn't been posted in 5 years....what you call that?
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For your information, I am not punting this topic.
Per this information (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,241110.0.html) you have done just that.
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No he hasn't. Given the definition:
"10- Do not punt topics. Punting would be making a non-substantive post for the express purpose of bring the thread to the top of the thread list".
Substantive: Having substance and prompting thought, and MacrossMX did contribute something about the topic since he forwarded the thought that some jet battles might ensue :P
I hope the Gloster Meteor is included after the present pole. Although I do think the Beaufighter fans have put up an award winning wishlist thread and that aircraft should be included also.
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The referees rule it not a punt. He never just posted saying bump, and if he made his own thread, you would have been screaming "SEARCH BUTTONZ!!!" instead.
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:rofl Good point! :aok
Anyway, Gloster Meteor ftw! :banana:
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Shark food.
(http://www.lvp.lt/old/components/com_akogallery/img_pictures/me262shark.jpg)
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:furious Well hopefully we'll see about that Perdue3!
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I hate to argue with friends, but i have to disagree real bad, Shida.
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That's okay, a good friendship can weather difference of opinion. :salute
I'd like to see the Gloster Meteor in AH because it would be the perfect antidote for those tiresome days of being mercilessly ganged by flocks of Fw190A-8s and P-47s etc. I expect you take a 262 on those days Debrody.
I think it would also be a fun and interesting aircraft to fly. Not so fast as the 262 but a much better turner and far more challenging to fight in than a big fast prop. Plus the armament should be on a par with a Mosquito for long range shots. I increasingly enjoy my shooting and AH is the only opportunity I currently get :old:
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/Gloster_Meteor_III_ExCC.jpg)
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P.S. Someone help me out here, I tried to calculate the wing loading for the Mark III, by using the data from Wikipedia for the Mark IV and adding back in the 6% loss of wing area which they apparently removed to protect the pilots from getting squished to death in a dive (I know, not the most accurate approach but I only wanted to get a feel for it). Assuming a middling load-out (was thinking about half fuel load etc.) I get a figure of 32.3 lb/ft².
That can't be right can it? I did have a look at a model recently and compared to its single engine peers the Meteor does have enormous wings.
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262 already can turn with jugs/190s when light.
That meteor must be a spit-outturner //paranoid face// : )
Edit: thats the same wingloading as a light jug. Idk if thats calculated with fully loaded, light, or empty. The light 262 has around 45lbs/sq foot. hmm not bad. Still, i dont think it meets the criteria.
Btw! calculate the wingloading for the 109 g6: you will be surprised, its around 38-40lbs/sq foot. Still, can a jug outturn a g6? : )
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Wikipedia says (yes I know) 58.3 lb/ft² for a fully loaded D. They have comparable empty weights but the Meteor is huge with massive, massive wings. Die P-47s, die, die! Ha ha ha ha! Laces out! 100 m.p.h. speed advantage, hmmm, kill Clouseau, hmm hmm he he :banana:
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is this were the circle-jerk is?
(please don't ban me)
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is this were the circle-jerk is?
(please don't ban me)
No sorry. We're discussing aeroplanes. You'll have to look on other websites for that sort of thing. Good luck buddy.
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Laces out!
:lol
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QD3_TnjODB8/TT8Ups3YMLI/AAAAAAAAAhA/O3uiPpW2yTY/s1600/laces-out.jpg)
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Bensonhurst
Isn't that where one of the nuthouses is?
:cheers: Oz
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Wikipedia says (yes I know) 58.3 lb/ft² for a fully loaded D. They have comparable empty weights but the Meteor is huge with massive, massive wings. Die P-47s, die, die! Ha ha ha ha! Laces out! 100 m.p.h. speed advantage, hmmm, kill Clouseau, hmm hmm he he :banana:
Plz keep in mind that the fully loaded D means it has tons of fuel, 2*2000lbs bombs, an 500lbs bomb and 10 rockets. Uhm, feels worse than a heavy bomber... now see the light jug, the one whats able to turnfight: same 300sq feet wing area, around 12000lbs weight. 40 lbs/sq foot, isnt it? : ) Now comes the 109 g-6: 6700lbs weight (light), 173 sq feet wing area: 38.72 lbs/sq foot. Yet a jug cant even get close.
Why is that? The 109 has an excellent power to weight ratio what helps it pulling over the corners. The jug is weak in this. I dont have information about the meteors jet engine's characteristics at slow speeds...
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P.S. Someone help me out here, I tried to calculate the wing loading for the Mark III, by using the data from Wikipedia for the Mark IV and adding back in the 6% loss of wing area which they apparently removed to protect the pilots from getting squished to death in a dive (I know, not the most accurate approach but I only wanted to get a feel for it). Assuming a middling load-out (was thinking about half fuel load etc.) I get a figure of 32.3 lb/ft².
That can't be right can it? I did have a look at a model recently and compared to its single engine peers the Meteor does have enormous wings.
F Mk.III Meteor:
43ft 0 inch (span)
41ft 5 inch (Length)
13 ft 0 inch (height)
374ft (34.8) Gross wing area
2x 2000 (8.9) RR W.2B/23C Welland or Derwent I or 2x 2,400 (10.7) Derwent IV
486 S/L or 493 at 30,000ft (Max speed at sea level or at 30k)
3,980 (climb rate per minute)
46,000 ft (ceiling)
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yep give us another jet to use perks on even if it wont match a 262 it can still be fun
What makes you think it wont match the Me262? Yeah, it may be a bit slower but it has the same turning capability as the larger turning prop planes in the game. I've maintained that is a Meteor and a Me262 get into a dogfight it will be no different in terms of a dogfight between 190A-5 vs a 190D-9: the speeds are close enough, yet the maneuverability of the Meteor/A-5 is that much better that once they get position the Me262/D-9 they will just go nose down and evacuate the area.
I am not looking at this as a Me262 vs Meteor Mk III, I see it as adding another LW bird was groundbreaking and historical. I do not see the Beaufighter, Yak-3, or 410 filling in any gaps. At least the Meteor Mk III bridges the gap between the fastest of the prop aircraft and the Me262. I think all 3 of the afor mentioned need to be added, but not if they are a "best of" vote, at least not yet. HTC just needs to look at AH's historical plane set and it has to be obvious what is missing: the D520, Ki-43, Beaufighter, He-111, 410, Yak3, MiG3, EW Buffalo, Pe2, Tu2, Wellington, Halifax, etc etc.
Vs the Me262, the Meteor Mk III is 1200lbs lighter; has double the range at 1300 miles (vs 650 miles for the Me262); is 40-60mph slower depending on altitude, has half the wing loading (with almost double the wing aspect ratio)- meaning the wings are able to perform better ["expert" aeronautical engineers please elaborate]; and although I've not seen hard numbers I've read where the Meteor has the "categorical" turn as the P47, 190, Typhoon, and Tempest (at what speeds I'm not sure). With the rate in which the jet fighters accelerate the Me262 pilot could be in for a rude awakening if he is zinging along at 450 TAS in and out of a furball and along comes a Meteor a few thousand feet higher and in a perfect position to pounce.
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262 already can turn with jugs/190s when light.
That meteor must be a spit-outturner //paranoid face// : )
Edit: thats the same wingloading as a light jug. Idk if thats calculated with fully loaded, light, or empty. The light 262 has around 45lbs/sq foot. hmm not bad. Still, i dont think it meets the criteria.
Btw! calculate the wingloading for the 109 g6: you will be surprised, its around 38-40lbs/sq foot. Still, can a jug outturn a g6? : )
I'm not sure you have been smoking, but in no way shape or form can the Me262 turn with any prop plane in the game at any speeds. The slower the speeds are the worse the spread gets for the 262. :)
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Meteor!! :x
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I would love to see a Gloster Meteor that would awesome!
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I suspect the meteor will not be an easy fighter to fly ... :uhoh
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I'm not sure you have been smoking, but in no way shape or form can the Me262 turn with any prop plane in the game at any speeds. The slower the speeds are the worse the spread gets for the 262. :)
Wasnt smoking anything now. Ask Latrobe what an awsome fight we had, 262 vs dora. I was winning the rolling scissors, but missed my shot and he went vertical just in time.
Also got many jugs and 190s in an 1v1 (heck sometimes ponies, but they were from the lamer kind), dogfight (not BnZ pussing...). 262s are real capable dogfighters but they have a LOT of fuel onboard. Under 30% they are bloody sweet.
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F Mk.III Meteor:
43ft 0 inch (span)
41ft 5 inch (Length)
13 ft 0 inch (height)
374ft (34.8) Gross wing area
2x 2000 (8.9) RR W.2B/23C Welland or Derwent I or 2x 2,400 (10.7) Derwent IV
486 S/L or 493 at 30,000ft (Max speed at sea level or at 30k)
3,980 (climb rate per minute)
46,000 ft (ceiling)
Wow. I had a smaller wing area than that.
I suspect the meteor will not be an easy fighter to fly ... :uhoh
Me neither! :rock
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I'd definitely turnfight in my 262's if it weren't for the fact that every red guy that sees a 262 going a bit slow would stop anything, even saving their own mother's life to get a chance to kill it. Since because of that, my self preservation has to prevail since I have never passed having 500 fighter perks at any one time.
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bring it on !!! :rock
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I'd definitely turnfight in my 262's if it weren't for the fact that every red guy that sees a 262 going a bit slow would stop anything, even saving their own mother's life to get a chance to kill it. Since because of that, my self preservation has to prevail since I have never passed having 500 fighter perks at any one time.
They do that even when your speed is up.
Ever notice that congo line that seems to form behind every 262, even though they have no hope of actually catching one.
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I'm not sure you have been smoking, but in no way shape or form can the Me262 turn with any prop plane in the game at any speeds. The slower the speeds are the worse the spread gets for the 262. :)
quoted for UNtruth :aok
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I'm thinking jetweek in the AVA! :x
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I suspect the meteor will not be an easy fighter to fly ... :uhoh
Correct, from what I have read the Meteor was pretty sluggish to handle, while it out turns or climbs a 262 it was no where easy to fly.
However since Aces High does not model this in as a factor due to auto trim.
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-1 for this Brit pansy plane. They never wanted it to fly against german planes and buzz bombs don't count... 5 buzz bombs don't make you and ace, But 5 c-47s would.
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-1 for this Brit pansy plane. They never wanted it to fly against german planes and buzz bombs don't count... 5 buzz bombs don't make you and ace, But 5 c-47s would.
Actually 5 buzz bombs does make you an ace :ahand
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-1 for this Brit pansy plane. They never wanted it to fly against german planes and buzz bombs don't count... 5 buzz bombs don't make you and ace, But 5 c-47s would.
I think you'll find they didn't want the ruskies to get their hands on it. It destroyed 46 German aircraft in ground attacks.
buzz bombs killed thousands of British civilians, do you want me to believe that all of those peoples lives were not affected by imaginary combat when meteor pilots with brass balls were there in 1944-45 tipping them off course with skill and precision.
Sorry Timmy daddy isn't coming home today because they didn't want no meteors in game!!! :cry
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Well since this thread was pulled form way back here is a nice link to a fly by of a Meteor. Select the jet link & crank it up.
http://www.oldcmp.net/Aircraft_sounds.html
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Well since this thread was pulled form way back here is a nice link to a fly by of a Meteor. Select the jet link & crank it up.
http://www.oldcmp.net/Aircraft_sounds.html
Dear god i hope the boomerang never gets a soundpack. that wail made my ears bleed. :cry
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quoted for UNtruth :aok
yup, Grizz has kicked my arse more than once doing that....he locks me up on my 6 (typically I'm in a slow jug)....utterly can't shake him off...eventually the golden Tater ends my misery;
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Well since this thread was pulled form way back here is a nice link to a fly by of a Meteor. Select the jet link & crank it up.
http://www.oldcmp.net/Aircraft_sounds.html
the boomerang sounds sexier
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Dear god i hope the boomerang never gets a soundpack. that wail made my ears bleed. :cry
ill make it extra loud just for u
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ill make it extra loud just for u
I'll never fly it, so please feel free to. :angel:
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So if u killed 5 cruise missiles your an ace to... Come one.
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So if u killed 5 cruise missiles your an ace to... Come one.
You think that trying to down 2200lbs of armed explosives traveling at close to 400mph would be easy?
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You think that trying to down 2200lbs of armed explosives traveling at close to 400mph would be easy?
it would be like an AFK time bomb, the amount of guys that collide or get too close is shocking :D
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well... -1 the reason is: it dont fill any gap in the planeset/there are much more used types. I dont want to see one more pick n run ride. At least it would never ho you (perks). Historically imo it does not meet the criteria. in the same line, i dont really see the reason why the 163 is here. No V1s in game. It only vulched (sad fact, and a pity). I think its unfair having much more US/GB planes then al the others together (think about IJN/Red/ITA/FRE, not only the luft ines).
Sure if i would be british, sure i would go far to get it tho. But unfortunately im not.
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Look at it this way if it gets in it's done & so will the requests on the wish list.
Then we will all be one step closer to something to what we would rather see.
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If it meets the criteria to be included in the game, then I'm not against it being added. To me, perking the fire out of it is fair way of limiting its use. Hey Lusche, great new statistic to find: what is the probability at any given time (considering: ENY value, population, map area, length of sortie, density of combatants, etc.) of engaging a late war uber ride (e.g. a me-262)? That's a discrete random variable, should follow the Poisson Distribution I believe.
The plane poll always seems to hit when I'm taking my break, so I cannot vote. If I could vote, I would certainly vote for a plane (or vehicle :bolt:) that had a lot more significance during the war (He-111, Beaufighter, He-111, Tu-2, He-111... :D).
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now here is a special video regarding the votes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
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. Hey Lusche, great new statistic to find: what is the probability at any given time (considering: ENY value, population, map area, length of sortie, density of combatants, etc.) of engaging a late war uber ride (e.g. a me-262)?
:banana:
We seriously lack (published) data for this. We just have the overall kills & death counts for each tour. There's only so far you can go with these numbers ;)
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guess were not getting meteor this round :mad:
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Nope, no Meteor this round. No biggie. I was hoping for the D520, Ki43, or other such obvious missing plane in the set list.
So now my vote goes for the Me410.
As for the Meteor not filling any gaps, I disagree. I would have been the bane of the Me262 unless it was moving at 5000mph+ when the encounter began. I'd also be willing to bet the Meteor would not have had any less of a perk price than the Me262, since the only real advantage the 262 had was outright top end speed. From scanning the stats, the 262 was inferior in all but the top speed. The Meteor would have bridged the fastest of the prop aircraft and the Me262 nicely. I'm not seeing the 410 or the Yak3 doing anything new or bridging any gap, but that is my opinion. As always, it is good to add more aircraft to the AH plane set, regardless of someone's opinion.
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I'm not seeing the 410 or the Yak3 doing anything new or bridging any gap, but that is my opinion. As always, it is good to add more aircraft to the AH plane set, regardless of someone's opinion.
we need more soviet aircraft, period. bridged gaps aside, the soviet planeset is sorely lacking. fact.
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Nope, no Meteor this round. No biggie. I was hoping for the D520, Ki43, or other such obvious missing plane in the set list.
So now my vote goes for the Me410.
As for the Meteor not filling any gaps, I disagree. I would have been the bane of the Me262 unless it was moving at 5000mph+ when the encounter began. I'd also be willing to bet the Meteor would not have had any less of a perk price than the Me262, since the only real advantage the 262 had was outright top end speed. From scanning the stats, the 262 was inferior in all but the top speed. The Meteor would have bridged the fastest of the prop aircraft and the Me262 nicely. I'm not seeing the 410 or the Yak3 doing anything new or bridging any gap, but that is my opinion. As always, it is good to add more aircraft to the AH plane set, regardless of someone's opinion.
You forgot one other thing the 262 has an advantage in. Tators. 4x20mm < 4x30mm