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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Shuffler on November 02, 2020, 07:32:16 AM
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Too bad one of the more popular ones is being linked with facebook. That will hamper it's security.
Any others worth a look?
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hp Reverb G2, Valve Index, and Pimax Artisan are worth looking at. The Index may be the only one that is currently available, though.
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hp Reverb G2, Valve Index, and Pimax Artisan are worth looking at. The Index may be the only one that is currently available, though.
Thanks
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Try getting a used odyssey+ to see how you like it.
Vr is a game changer.
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Got a vive pro going on 2 years ago - started winning KOTHs about the same time.
Great headset - high price
Have pre ordered the reverb g2 which has better resolution at half the cost which is supposed to ship sometime this month
Makes AH3 a totally different game - you will feel you are sitting inside a p38, close combat is fantastic.
You have the cpu for it, no excuse there.
I'd suggest a reverb g2 for the best bang for the dollar
<S>
Eagler
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Thanks for the input Eagler.
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Shuffler if it's strictly PC gaming (or simming) then the Reverb G2 is the way to go.
For general VR then the Quest 2 is worth considering. However it does have caveats. It runs off a USB3 port, so uses more CPU than GPU and you need a good CPU for it. The flipside is it can also act as a standalone device, and some of the non-Sim VR stuff on it is quite cool. Games like Onward (VR crowdstrike sort of), Population One (battle royal), Vader Immortal (Star Wars with more star wars stuff coming), and entertainment capabilities. If none of that interests you... then Reverb G2.
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Quest 2 will be a security issue requiring a facebook account. I was interested in it till they came out with that requirement.
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Yeah as a RiftS owner that'll be a deal breaker for me and anything Oculus/FB branded beyond when that gets forced on me after 2023. I didn't buy it to be some social media thing contrary to what they might think.
Between that and my year and change old, not exactly cheap headset being largely unsupported for months now has left a bad taste with me for that brand. No tweaks or fixes or new features. Some things actually broken by the updates! Almost all updates of any substance were entirely for the Quest. No shot at my being a return customer. All the good people that created the Oculus have been run off by the FB people that clearly have another idea.
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I'm still happy with my Rift CV1, but am favorably considering upgrading to the hp reverb g2.
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Yeah as a RiftS owner that'll be a deal breaker for me and anything Oculus/FB branded beyond when that gets forced on me after 2023. I didn't buy it to be some social media thing contrary to what they might think.
Between that and my year and change old, not exactly cheap headset being largely unsupported for months now has left a bad taste with me for that brand. No tweaks or fixes or new features. Some things actually broken by the updates! Almost all updates of any substance were entirely for the Quest. No shot at my being a return customer. All the good people that created the Oculus have been run off by the FB people that clearly have another idea.
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I have a facebook account, no friends no nothing. Don't see what the big deal is.
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I have a facebook account, no friends no nothing. Don't see what the big deal is.
If you never use it... no big deal. Link anything and it is a security risk. VR attached to social media is even worse. Facebook is already actively selling VR customers. Even without your name, third parties can identify you pretty accurately and easily.
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At the end of the day the current ecospheres for VR are facebook or steam. I cannot see much difference privacy wise in either.
What exact security issue are you concerned with about facebook?
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Oh I have a FB page. Hardly use it for anything or look at it much unless my kids tell me they tagged me with something wondering why I didn't like it in eight seconds (how rude!). My wife lurks on my page. It's her entertainment. That's about it. I thought it would be cool but found its not really that cool. For me anyway. Lots of people like it.
My problem with the Oculus is it's being forced on you whether you want it or not. Has nothing to do with the operation of the thing. Maybe I don't want the world to know I just put on my headset? I don't play a lot of games other than this and IL2 and hardly have time for that. No need for Steam either. I get that I'm being tracked all day anyway, its just the in your face or else thing that put me off.
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tbf I don't really like facebook, my wife is on it and it seems to be an utter cesspit of gossip and other rubbish.
However when it comes to VR I believe fb have a vision of building a community. Think big community big development and some very long term VR and AR vision. They can use their existing infrastructure to leverage user management and that makes sense.
Outside of AH you have games which are natively multiplayer and include always on voice comms. You have games like Onward where you join servers, are placed into a team, and can be playing with people from all of the world. This seems to be a common theme whether it is a FPS shooter, battle royal, strategy or sports game. I suspect FBs community vision is mixed in with a desire to dominate VR, but hey a decent managed community might not be that bad. I mean would AH be better if we had to use real names, and there was a big ban stick around the corner if you misbehaved?
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Easy to find the huge issues.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/08/if-privacy-dies-vr-it-dies-real-life (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/08/if-privacy-dies-vr-it-dies-real-life)
Many red flags are found on the internet.
Even facebook itself says they will leverage vr users info to third parties.
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Easy to find the huge issues.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/08/if-privacy-dies-vr-it-dies-real-life (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/08/if-privacy-dies-vr-it-dies-real-life)
Many red flags are found on the internet.
Even facebook itself says they will leverage vr users info to third parties.
tbf everybody leverages users info. FB are just being honest. And the EFF are conflating anonymity with privacy. They are not the same thing. A VR world with complete anonymity will devolve into a complete cesspit of vindictive users and cyber stalking.
I understand why people are concerned, but I can see benefits in removing complete anonymity.
And as I have pointed out, FB only have the information you volunteer. There is nothing stopping you from having a barren FB account.
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Recent studies show it takes about 5 minutes to ID you using your VR use.
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Recent studies show it takes about 5 minutes to ID you using your VR use.
It probably takes about the same amount of time when you log on to the internet. They got you covered whether it is through FB or just you browsing for toilet paper.
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You guys wanna see some crazy sh... stuff... download the IPvFoo plugin for chrome. It's a useful tool if your a networks guy... what it does is show what connections are established to websites when you browse a page. Some pages like the HTC ones are very simple (one or two addresses), but go to a news website and you'll see it's a very different story.
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IPvFoo is available for Firefox as well.
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Privacy for convenience..that is the price you are paying to use the internet.
Most ppl dont have a clue.
Big tech is not your friend but most are too lazy to care as long as prime gets their crap to them in 24hrs
Eagler
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I am just looking at VR :frown:
I dont have anything to do with THAT Facebook organisation.
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I am just looking at VR :frown:
I dont have anything to do with THAT Facebook organisation.
Then mark all oculus off your list.
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Or just setup a shell account (like me, I have no friends).
Giving Facebook the cold shoulder seems a bit overreactive to me. They are throwing huge amounts of money at VR not just in tech but also in building a community.
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Or just setup a shell account (like me, I have no friends).
Giving Facebook the cold shoulder seems a bit overreactive to me. They are throwing huge amounts of money at VR not just in tech but also in building a community.
Your choice, your security.
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Your choice, your security.
I've worked in IT security for about 20 odd years now. I'm well aware of what facebook do/have done. It's up to you what information they get, so unless they employ psychics I'm quite unsure what you think they'll gain from a shell account?
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I've worked in IT security for about 20 odd years now. I'm well aware of what facebook do/have done. It's up to you what information they get, so unless they employ psychics I'm quite unsure what you think they'll gain from a shell account?
Obviously you didnt put on your tinfoil hat so you are hindering yourself with extra knowledge that imparts. :P
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Easy to see why so many companies are victims i guess.
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Victims of what exactly?
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If you work in IT security and take it so lightly.
Like I said. Your choice. I make my own choices based on my experience over 61 years.
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Seams controller tracking on the g2 sucks ... 2nd page of the review.
"With all the fantastic features of this new headset—and there are several—it's a real shame to have the whole experience marred by wonky controller tracking. The Reverb G2 is undoubtedly the best consumer-grade headset to get if image quality is of utmost importance. If you need to read text or see fine details, the screen in this headset is about as good as it gets. Racing and flight simulation fans will love the Reverb G2. But, if tracking accuracy is your biggest priority, you may want to skip this headset."
Me I really want to know about head tracking and how bad the FOV is.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hp-reverb-g2
EDIT: I've got about 2-3 weeks left on a Valve index, I passed on my last one to see how good the g2 was going to be.
I'm not very concerned over hand/controller tracking, but Image quality, FOV, and Head tracking are high priorities.
I'm not a big fan of Windows MR and Facebook is a deal breaker on principle.
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I've been using the G2 since I got it Friday 13/2020, so a good 4 days worth. I didn't find the same issues with the hand controllers as the reviewer quoted in the above post. Mind you I, like Mayhem don't really care all that much about the controllers or games that require them, but the games I tried with the controllers all worked fine, certainly no worse than the G1 Reverb, or my Index, or even Rift S.
Cockpit games, ie flight sims and racing games, the G2 is easily the best VR HMD I've had, and that list is Rift/Vive/Vive Pro/Odyssey/Odyssey+/Pimax/Index/Rift S/Reverb G1/Reverb G2 so far. The head tracking is excellent IMO, I have zero complaints about my experience in DCS, Ah3(offline), Star Wars Squadrons, Elite, Il2, etc.
FOV is essentially the same as the Reverb G1, which I've been using about a year now. It's hard to recall the other HMDs exactly, but I think the Index had a bit better FOV, as did the Pimax obviously. but the G2's FOV isn't some sort of game breaking issue. Again, zero complaints regarding the FOV from me. The "sweet spot" is expanded quite a bit from the G1 Reverb, it is instantly "there" for me right when I put the headset on now that I have the straps adjusted to my head. The overall experience with the G2 is excellent IMO, again, easily the best HMD I've used so far in terms of sit down/cockpit games. I've continually sold off VR HMDs as the next/better ones come out, and I instantly put my G1 Reverbs up for sale and ordered a 2nd G2 for our other PCs, within a couple hours of using the G2.
IMO it's well worth the cost, and skipping the G2 and waiting for the next better HMD IMO is a personal choice, but doing that means you'll never get your foot into the water, as there is always a better unit coming down the pipeline. I think the G2 will hold the top spot on the ladder for at least a year, as the last G1 did, so far as sim players go.
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Saw they tested g2 tracking with a table tennis game called Eleven
The reviewer was impressed
I downloaded the game and had a great experience with my vive pro.
I haven't used the vive controllers but will start as I love table tennis and this game once tweaked is a blast!
Eagler
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I watched a review where the reviewer wished that the G2 could be bought without controllers at a cheaper price so he could use the savings toward Index controllers.
If that's your issue, and you have the cash, apparently the Index controllers are a good option.
:cheers:
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I am not sure I would ever use the controllers. I am interested in the G2 though. Watching reviews.
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Oh I'm not silly enough to think that FB has the market cornered on tracking me. It's not that. I know as soon as I log onto the internet there are multiple entities tracking my every move. Heck even my every though it seems! I don't know how many times I was just thinking about something and up an ad for that exact thing pops in my browser! It ain't just FB doing that although these days they're certainly a big contributor. As I said before, I have a FB page but FB is just not my thing. It was cool for a couple of months but I quickly lost interest.
My issue with them isn't really one of security. It kinda goes to what Vulcan was saying about them throwing a ton of money into the VR thing. He's right, they have! But IMO their master plan for VR doesn't mesh with what I want it for. Yeah they bought out Oculus. They were the tip of the spear for mainstream consumer VR at the time. That's why they bought them! I believe the Oculus people were all about making the bestest VR headset they could and if let go prolly still would be. But FB got their fingers into what they were doing and drove a lot of those people away largely because of the corporate master plan. FB is throwing all the money into the community angle far more it seems than the headset quality. The headsets from RiftS to Quest to Quest2 are only little baby steps in performance, no quantum leaps. I have no desire to be part of that really. For example, I installed an app from the store because I thought it would be cool to watch a rocket launch in VR. It was actually me standing in a theatre around a bunch of gnome looking things (other users) that all had names I could interact with. Not having logged on thru FB I couldn't anyway but I was OK with that! I just wanted to watch the dang rocket man! Not the Warcraft version!
What really soured me is that this crap really started happening AFTER I'd bought the RiftS. I got it in July and had multiple problems out of the gate. Had connectivity issues with the DP and the USB3. Had multiple controllers randomly showing up that couldn't just be removed. The DP and multiple controller thing was taken care of after several updates but the USB3 thing persisted for quite a while and it wasn't just me. I bought the USB3 card they recommended but it still had random issues with the headset crashing. I think the thing rides the bleeding edge of power consumption that USB will deliver and that's the problem but they never addressed it directly. I ended up buying a powered hub that I only have the headset plugged into. They recommended against using a hub. Haven't had any issues with it crashing since. OK, so I bought it in July a year ago. In December (last), the genii at FB/Oculus decided that rather than have a separate set of drivers and software for each headset they made they'd homogenize all theirs into one. Which was great--if you had the new Quest--but no so much if you had the RiftS. If you had a Go they literally dropped support. Immediately I had a drop in performance. This was echoed by many, many users and was basically ignored. They went all in on the Quest trying to optimize the link that would basically let it do exactly what the RiftS did. What the heck are we doing here? So here I had a 6 month old $400 headset that was being kicked to the curb by it's own manufacturer! Not much has changed. There are still bugs in the software that have gone on for almost a year since the software merge. All updates since contain things for the Quest and next to nothing (if anything at all) of any note for the RiftS. When I just looked at my recent updates for Puma I looked at the release notes for the last two. Yep, all Quest again.
So if FB wants to make some social VR community with their stuff I say good for them, it just doesn't mesh with what I want to do with it. But if you are is it too much to ask that you support your own products for more than 6 months? That ish just ain't right. I get that new stuff is gonna come out all the time but that was just nuts. Because of this I have an impossible time considering plunking down another large chunk of money for one of their headsets. The security thing is not really an issue beyond they're being kind of in your face about what they're gonna do. It's a we're gonna take your money, screw you and then screw you again thing! Can I at least get a kiss if you're gonna do that? I know I'm being "followed" online all the time. It's the price of doing business if you want to use the internet. And that ain't new.
Meanwhile, does it work? Yeah. Crushes AH pretty well with a 2060 pushing it. I guess, until they come out with another fubar update that they figure will force me into buying another of their headsets to "fix" the problem. If that happens I definitely will fix "the problem".
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Have you seen these turds testifying on tv these days?
They know the power they have and the changes they can affect.
Eagler
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I am not sure I would ever use the controllers. I am interested in the G2 though. Watching reviews.
The G2?
I ordered one on 20 Sept.
Got an email yesterday with a blank line and the a single period. ???
Logged into Connect hoping to find out what was happening. Missed the appropriate submenu somewhere. Had to call the 800 number, and surprise, a quick response from a live person, a friendly one at that. Kudos to Connect (formerly Connect PC, or something like that) for their customer service.
Turns out they are backed up until January on new orders due to delays in receiving product. Mine "should arrive by late this month, or before mid-December."
I blame Gman and all his countrymen for the delay. ;)
:cheers:
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HiTech also requires an account to play Aces High. Logging in to Oculus with a Facebook account is no big deal, it will provide features that outweigh any security risk. I already have a Facebook account with enough pictures to develop a deepfake of myself, they aren't going to be watching me play video games just because they are a big company.
I just ordered the Oculus Quest 2 for my kids, I was going to go with the Rift S, but it didnt seem to have any large benefits over the Quest, and the Quest can be used stand alone and wireless. Just takes a USB-C cable to play some PC games. I used to have the original Rift and used it for Aces High. I enjoyed the flying experience with it, but was much worse in combat. I thought my depth perception was way off and I wasnt hitting targets even though it looked like I should be. My situational awareness was actually much lower than when I use hat keys on a joystick.
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FRom what I've heard, the Reverb G2 is a really good choice. Great resolution and easy setup.
Good sound as well. I wish the FOV was bigger, but it's hard to find a wide FOV headset AND great resolution and clarity at a reasonable price. The Pimax Artisan is good- and a bit cheaper than the G2, but like all Pimax HMDs, it needs to be set up properly for each user. Since the Artisan's FOV is the narrowest of the Pimax current lineup at 140 Horizontal, it's probably not as tricky to set up. The G2 definitely will have better resolution- fantastic image quality. It could be worth an extra hundred or so bucks for that.
(I have an 8KX- and I love it. Same resolution as the G2 but with slightly lower image quality I think. It's amazing in any simulator, but it comes with a really high price tag- and it needs a good cpu and GPU to run at 4k per eye. Probably not the best choice if you're just looking to get your 'feet wet' in VR.)
Finnster
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If you work in IT security and take it so lightly.
Like I said. Your choice. I make my own choices based on my experience over 61 years.
So victims of "waving your hands" huh ;)
gman thanks for the info, the G2 is on my wishlist now. My Rift CV1 is about falling apart, its got the right audio problem and one of the straps has died, one of my base stations decided it hated life the other day as well. But it is 4 years old has been treated harshly.
At the same time I want to update my Quest to a Quest 2. The Quest standalone game experience is so much fun (I love Onward). I've got 3 boys and they're all VR addicts.
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HiTech also requires an account to play Aces High.
Bzzt Wrong .. You can download install and play every version of AH for free with no account. You only need an account to play online multiplayer. If you have an older version you have lan and limited online play.
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VR,
Yes its a game changer. Once you go there tho, you will never want to go back to a flat screen!
I highly suggest buying nothing till you have done an actual demo tho. Pixel density is what really counts. Most vr sets are merely lens systems focusing down on screens. Without a high pixel density you will see the static substrate that the pixels are embedded in. What has been called the screen door effect.
Now in dark scenes, this is greatly reduced, not a bother. But AH is mostly bright, blue sky scenes. The screen door effect is quite visible and imo bad for your eyes. They are constantly trying to focus on what your looking at causing eye strain. My eyes would be buzzing after 45 min. I had to take the rift off to get them to relax. I percieved this as doing damage to my already, fading old guy eyes. I was so disappointed, I did stop playing! Look thru the screen door of your house doors at your pet playing, your kids etc. for a long period of time. I would guess it would be annoying.
So be aware of what you are buying. I keep hoping the industry would get better, but...1600/eye ppi is considered what is required for best look. This will tax a vid card and your pc as well, so be aware. I hope you find what you like, that it works well and protect your eyes. It is truly amazing as far as other game aspects. I could never do a barrel roll with a flat screen, with vr, 1st time out it was a cake walk.
:salute
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Wrong thread??
Sorry about my post above
Eagler
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HiTech also requires an account to play Aces High. Logging in to Oculus with a Facebook account is no big deal, it will provide features that outweigh any security risk. I already have a Facebook account with enough pictures to develop a deepfake of myself, they aren't going to be watching me play video games just because they are a big company.
I just ordered the Oculus Quest 2 for my kids, I was going to go with the Rift S, but it didnt seem to have any large benefits over the Quest, and the Quest can be used stand alone and wireless. Just takes a USB-C cable to play some PC games. I used to have the original Rift and used it for Aces High. I enjoyed the flying experience with it, but was much worse in combat. I thought my depth perception was way off and I wasnt hitting targets even though it looked like I should be. My situational awareness was actually much lower than when I use hat keys on a joystick.
Facebook sells you, HiTech does not. Facebook has had security breaches that exposed millions of users. If you are fine with putting your family out there, be my guest.
AH is the only reason I thought I would get VR. With recent changes to the game, I am starting to lose interest in it. Really never thought I would say that.
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So what is the risk if I have a facebook account with no friends, groups etc, nothing posted to it?
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So what is the risk if I have a facebook account with no friends, groups etc, nothing posted to it?
I tried to make one for a customer who wanted it just to be able to see what's happening there. After having switched most every button to "disabled" FB told that they can't allow such an account.
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Facebooks is for men who like men
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So what is the risk if I have a facebook account with no friends, groups etc, nothing posted to it?
Read up on what can be amased from your VR usage.
I do have a FB account under an odd name so that I can post on news sites. Other than that it is not connected to me at all.... not even in name.
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So what is the risk if I have a facebook account with no friends, groups etc, nothing posted to it?
The biggest risk I see is that it appears that if they deem you unfit, for thought crime or whatever, and lock you out of your account, you can't use the headset.
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The biggest risk I see is that it appears that if they deem you unfit, for thought crime or whatever, and lock you out of your account, you can't use the headset.
That is a small issue. It can happen, but not the big problem.
Even if you do nothing else, they can actually identify you through your VR use. Research it....
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I say get a hp reverb2 - store bought - or a valve jndex or vive pro
Reverb2 is the one I'd get if eye glasses are not needed
Don't know what you are missing Shuffler
Get it and return it if it is not for you
My guess is that like the rest if us once you go vr you do not go back
Eagler
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Facebook are only looking after everybody by deciding who can say what or believe a certain way.
Its not personal its only business.
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Facebook are only looking after everybody by deciding who can say what or believe a certain way.
Its not personal its only business.
You mean AGENDA
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No
Your betters know better than you :old:
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The biggest risk I see is that it appears that if they deem you unfit, for thought crime or whatever, and lock you out of your account, you can't use the headset.
:old:
This right here!
While I'm no Trumpette I am fairly conservative and very pro Gun-Rights. I took a double hit to my account and put on "Facebook probation" from posting a "Kyle Rittenhouse" Gladson Flag.
Sorry I don't care if they had the best VR headset that came complete with a Free BJ from your favorite Porn star .... NO! out of principal alone NO!
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That is a small issue. It can happen, but not the big problem.
Even if you do nothing else, they can actually identify you through your VR use. Research it....
I dunno, my facebook account gets such random friends/group suggestions I'm confident they know SFA about me.
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:old:
This right here!
While I'm no Trumpette I am fairly conservative and very pro Gun-Rights. I took a double hit to my account and put on "Facebook probation" from posting a "Kyle Rittenhouse" Gladson Flag.
Sorry I don't care if they had the best VR headset that came complete with a Free BJ from your favorite Porn star .... NO! out of principal alone NO!
Who is your adult entertainer who acting abilties you would recommend?
Kyle Rittenhouse sounds like a bosch to me?
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Who is your adult entertainer who acting abilties you would recommend?
Kyle Rittenhouse sounds like a bosch to me?
Interesting question.. I just realized, there are no adult entertainers.
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Benny hill?