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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: earl1937 on March 12, 2013, 03:35:19 PM
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:airplane: One of the problems I notice with "Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????ÿ,~ ÿ,~ 276704511MltCpy2.10 FILL FILLed Sector; ST500DM002-9YN14 (CC4H) S1D5GMZY Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????ion method and not flown like a fighter aircraft, but its hard to get people to realize that until they lose some drones.
Another point along this same line, I never change headings more than 30 degrees at a time, simply because guys get a little out of formation in a 60 or 90 degree heading change and they lose their drones by banking to steep, trying to stay with the group.
Maybe Aces High can adjust the drone response to stay in position in a 30 degree bank and a lot of the drone loss would go down.
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If I am understanding your post correctly...
You are saying you fly your bombers correctly, and do not lose drones.
Other people fly their bombers incorrectly, and lose drones.
You want AH to make it OK for people not to fly properly, without being penalised for it?
:headscratch:
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Maybe Aces High can adjust the drone response to stay in position in a 30 degree bank and a lot of the drone loss would go down.
i sometimes wonder if everyone's playing the same game..
i bet I can find a thread not more than a month old that says drones are too easy to keep on a leash and never get lost, even through loops and whatnot. :rofl
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Drones are less challenged in the vert than the horizontal.
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I usually get in a gunner position and use my rudder to turn. Maintains altitude and speed, and I never lose drones. :aok
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Josh
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Drones are less challenged in the vert than the horizontal.
tell that to diving mossie 16's from 30k at red line :)
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The game is already much too easy. If folks are loosing their drones they needed to figure things out.
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TEACH THEM HOW TO TURN !!!!
If you teach them, they learn, and become better players.
If people keep looking for the "easy way" and asking for the game to be dumbed down more and more, before you know it we will have a button on the dash that when you spawn you have your buddies hit it and it will fly the mission all by it self. Won't THAT be fun!
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How about modifying this into:
A. Some kind of warning indicator for newer players letting them know they are turning too hard...
or, even easier
B. When they DO lose their drones, instead of "blah blah shot you down" or no message at all if no enemy is near, have it display "Drone 2 lost formation and crashed" or something to that effect?
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How about modifying this into:
A. Some kind of warning indicator for newer players letting them know they are turning too hard...
or, even easier
B. When they DO lose their drones, instead of "blah blah shot you down" or no message at all if no enemy is near, have it display "Drone 2 lost formation and crashed" or something to that effect?
I agree, but have option A be something you can disable
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Tough to code, but perhaps drone loss due to flying a bomber like a fighter should count 2x deaths. For those who care about score, they might learn to fly bombers properly - for those who don't care, you can't make them care and they'll just do whatever they want anyway.
It sounds like this wish is all about bomber missions and the desire for the mission leader to arrive at the target with an intact force by asking the game designers to spend precious staffing resources to change the game mechanics for no real gameplay benefit. When you expect and rely upon the general population to perform to your standards, you set yourself up for disappointment and failure. It's a game, some people play it as such and some people play it like it is for real. Not everybody wants to learn "proper" techniques, and forcing them to with artificial rules built into the code is a bad idea.
For me, if I were to set up a mission, the objective would be for everyone to have fun - green guys and red guys alike. As long as people have fun, I would consider it a success.
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If I am understanding your post correctly...
You are saying you fly your bombers correctly, and do not lose drones.
Other people fly their bombers incorrectly, and lose drones.
You want AH to make it OK for people not to fly properly, without being penalised for it?
:headscratch:
:airplane: You are right, you didn't understand the post or the purpose of the post. No I don't think it is OK for people to fly incorrectly and not being penalised. If Aces High can set the drone response to the lead bomber in a 10 degree bank, why not also in a 30 degree bank. My wish is to help the new guys, who un-like you, were not born into a pilot's seat and needs help learning the ins and outs of flying.
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I usually get in a gunner position and use my rudder to turn. Maintains altitude and speed, and I never lose drones. :aok
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Josh
:airplane: Never saw a real bomber you could turn from a gunners position. When you do that, it degrades the game to the "cartoon" status.
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:airplane: You are right, you didn't understand the post or the purpose of the post. No I don't think it is OK for people to fly incorrectly and not being penalised. If Aces High can set the drone response to the lead bomber in a 10 degree bank, why not also in a 30 degree bank. My wish is to help the new guys, who un-like you, were not born into a pilot's seat and needs help learning the ins and outs of flying.
Earl, I understand your passion. But it seems like you're asking HTC to expend an enormous amount of effort to make the game force a behavior that should be (and already is) up to the player to WANT to do. A player, if he desires to learn, can engage a real human trainer or someone skilled in a facet of the game such as you are, and get real help. Changing the game to limit a behavior does not teach anyone anything other than "don't do that".
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TEACH THEM HOW TO TURN !!!!
If you teach them, they learn, and become better players.
If people keep looking for the "easy way" and asking for the game to be dumbed down more and more, before you know it we will have a button on the dash that when you spawn you have your buddies hit it and it will fly the mission all by it self. Won't THAT be fun!
:airplane: Been there, done that! I have spent hours writing and posting basic flight lessons, Instrument flight lessons, etc. Just trying to figure out how to help the new guys!
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:airplane: Been there, done that! I have spent hours writing and posting basic flight lessons, Instrument flight lessons, etc. Just trying to figure out how to help the new guys!
The biggest problem is you can't help guys that don't want to be helped. :(
Just keep doing what your doing and those that want to learn will. Those that don't..... will lose their drones :aok
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No offense but if you cannot handle the simple task of and/or learn how to keep your bank angle under X amount of degrees then perhaps you should stick to GV's or go back to XBOX.
Even I learned on my very first day in the game 'ok..if I turn too far my drones blow up...don't turn so hard next time'
It doesn't get too much simpler/easier!
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The damn drones are already too damn easy to keep together. They also have no drag dead engines, jammed flaps etc (or how else can they mange to keep up in formation when damaged?).
And don't get me started on what I've seen people do and live through with the drones intact (barrel rolling Lancs anyone?) I don't believe drones blow up due high bank angles. They blow up when you exceed a rather large amount of lateral separation from the formation.
I say let more people lose more drones more easily. :P
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Sorry earl, -1 to your suggestion. Learning how to keep your drones is just part of, well learning the game. No single part of this game is hard, ccollectively, it is all alot to learn and master. I don't want the game "dumbed down" to the lowest common denominator.
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I just tested this to verify that they are doing what I wanted.
Drones will bank up to 35 degs, I.E. they will follow a standard 30 deg turn, hence why I set the max at 35.
HiTech
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I just tested this to verify that they are doing what I wanted.
Drones will bank up to 35 degs, I.E. they will follow a standard 30 deg turn, hence why I set the max at 35.
HiTech
Won't argue with the "boss", but I'll have to do some more checking myself. When I am flying 17's, which I do 95% of the time, seems like at about 30 degrees of bank, the drones start sliding off to one side or the other. I will make a more definite note of the angle of bank, next time I see that.
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If you're stomping the rudder that's more than 30 degrees of bank. Those gunner position turns bank a lot more than the drones can.
30 degrees:
(http://www.freemathhelp.com/images/lessons/triangle306090-1.gif)
I think full bank YOU can get is 40 or 45 degrees. Drones cannot match this.
So the question is: Are you really at 30 degrees? Or are you more than that?
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With all due respect..
The thing that confuses me here earl, is, you used to be a pilot IRL - and you (from what I've seen) Are always trying to make the game more realistic! Which is a good thing IMO..
But this would only make it 'gamier' with people doing more aerobatics in their bombers than they already do. Hell I've made a B17 do a loop and barrel rolls and kept my drones.
Believe me Earl, the new guys must and will learn to master something as simple as keeping their drones or they will never get very far in AH and never really experience the full AH experience :)
:salute
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Throttle setting? If everyone runs 100% full throttle all the time - which I believe the majority do - the drones will not be able to keep up in a turn. Try backing off the throttle a bit and see what happens.
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:what I found were the drones starting to slide out of position at around 20 degrees of bank, although they would come back into position after established heading by the "mother" ship.
They will not, to run the test I set the auto pilot bank angle max for gunners to be exactly 30 degrees. I.E. more precise then your guess is when looking at a computer screen.
The drones do not slide out and return they stay with you at 30 deg bank for ever.
The current auto pilot bank angle for gunners is 45 degs.
HiTech
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I believe the biggest cause of lost drones is the lag time between when YOUR plane starts turning and reaches max bank, and when the drones do same. I normally drop a wing well before the turn, and actually start the turn after the drones have gotten with the program (I'm usually at 2/3 throttle when bombing as well)