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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: captain1ma on September 17, 2010, 09:16:43 AM
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I've been thinking about this for awhile. while JG54 doesn't have enough players to take on a large squad, a bunch of AVA players together have that ability.
my proposal: A AVA challenge to some of the larger squads. we get them in there and fight it out with them.
object: capture the flag! pick 2 bases close to each other, AVA players at one base, JGXXX(insert any large Squad name here) at the other base. object is to capture the other guys' base. mind you this would involve identical planes at both bases, GV'ing is fair game. this is not a strictly aerial battle but rather a battle of wits!
winner: gets 2 sheep and bragging rights.
what do you guys( All AVA regulars and new guys) think about this idea?
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Lets do it!
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Cool, but the purist in me asks could it be done with a closely matched AvA plane set rather than identical planes?
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Cool, but the purist in me asks could it be done with a closely matched AvA plane set rather than identical planes?
and listen to someone scream that the planeset was lopsided, even if it wasn't? i can think of better ways of aggravating myself. besides its only for an hour or 2, maybe less if someone captures the flag!
<edit> however i am always open to suggestions.
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Ki84 and FM2... We had a lot of fun last night
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LOL thats funny, it changed my squad name to score-potatoes on my signature....
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you just can't outrun the Skuzzy Stick!
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Yet they allow it in the arena...... SHHHHHHHHHHHH
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So, we issue a challenge, AvA players vs so and so. Identical planes and they get a chance to prove AvA players aren't any better than MA players.
Might just work.
Let's not be too cocky in issuing the challenge, in case we get our butts handed to us.
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I'll see what support I can drum up in the A8's. :salute
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So, we issue a challenge, AvA players vs so and so. Identical planes and they get a chance to prove AvA players aren't any better than MA players.
Might just work.
Let's not be too cocky in issuing the challenge, in case we get our butts handed to us.
I have no issue with getting my butt handed to me in a fair even fight..... shows me where I really need to improve and I really think its the only thing at this point that will bring my game to the next level.
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The Pigs will gladly fight against the AVA regulars. Let me know. I have no problem with working on the planesets and vehicles to get as close to real as possible. My only suggestion to your challenge is that upon a flag capture the sides are switched to make the teams work both sides. Say like a best of 3 matchup (even if it takes a couple of sessions to finish). Deal? If so, then let's start talking dates and times.
:salute
Way
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So, we issue a challenge, AvA players vs so and so. Identical planes and they get a chance to prove AvA players aren't any better than MA players.
Might just work.
Let's not be too cocky in issuing the challenge, in case we get our butts handed to us.
its not about proving anything, its about having fun.
whether or not we get our butts handed to us, who cares, its just a game.
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Sounds like fun, count me in. Although I would prefer an Axis/Allied split with historical plane match-ups. After all that's what the AvA is all about. Just announce the plane set, arena settings, etc. and the same time of the challenge. That way any squad accepting the challenge knows up front what they'll be flying.
Don't fear the whiners. No matter how hard you try to make everyone happy there will always be a guy that can find something to complain about. Players who regularly fly in the arena can show what the AvA is all about by not getting drawn into that behavior.
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well jimson has a point. we'll use historically matched up planes, and keep the playing field as level as possible.
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So, we issue a challenge, AvA players vs so and so. Identical planes and they get a chance to prove AvA players aren't any better than MA players.
Might just work.
Let's not be too cocky in issuing the challenge, in case we get our butts handed to us.
Trying for a little humor there.
Of course I don't mind getting my arse kicked, happens all the time :lol
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i hate to say this, but although i like jimsons idea of historically matched aircraft, the idea with identical aircraft may be better. i only say this, because we all know that someone will come in there, fly n fight, then when they die over and over, they'll come here to the boards, and whine about how the planeset was lopsided in favor of XXXX.
there could be a possibility also, of having one of the cm's from other special events sit in on this, so there can be no such accusations?
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i hate to say this, but although i like jimsons idea of historically matched aircraft, the idea with identical aircraft may be better. i only say this, because we all know that someone will come in there, fly n fight, then when they die over and over, they'll come here to the boards, and whine about how the planeset was lopsided in favor of XXXX.
I think that was Jaeger's original concern and I gotta admit, it has merit.
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then when they die over and over, they'll come here to the boards, and whine about how the planeset was lopsided in favor of XXXX.
I went down this road 3 years ago when I got the Pigs interested in a similar competition. Do not pre-suppose that this will occur. Here is how to erase every bit of that. If a base is captured, then teams swap sides, and go again, and then again if necessary. Best of 3, takes the match. You are guaranteed at least one go around on both sides, possibly two if it is really close. Nothing to complain about at all if everybody understands what is going on to begin with.
:salute
Way
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Or after 1 hour of the 2 hour even everyone switches sides to even out the entire experiance....
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well the AVA guys will need less then an hour to take the base the first time! :D
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Or after 1 hour of the 2 hour even everyone switches sides to even out the entire experiance....
This has merit Grumpy. If no base capture in xx:xx amount of time then side switch occurs, and we go again.
I have thought more about this idea of folks getting upset, and I think also that the AVA team needs to be prepared for war. When a competion like this gets underway, it is about killing the enemy and removing his ability to wage war on your team. So what if anything as far as tactics is off the table? My preference is nothing. I plan on my Pigs being shot from all angles, vulched, bombed, camped, my hangars, ordnance and DAR porked. Are the AVA regulars ready for this? Not being sarcastic, just speaking from experience. A lot of the whining I saw three years ago came from folks complaining about being picked, HO'ed, camped, vulched, porked, etc. I have no fear of these things, as the Pigs deal with these circumstances and deal it out on a regular basis in the LWA's.
:salute
Way
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I wouldn't do it.
Too much us versus them in an idea like that.
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I think you just gotta say: No rules, No mercy, No whining.
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I think you just gotta say: No rules, No mercy, No whining.
I am in total agreement with you Jimson. If it is understood at the outset, any folks causing trouble or being unsportsmanlike can and should be ejected. I guarantee that with understood rules the Pigs will embrace this wholeheartedly and give a hell of a fun fight.
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Surely there's a way to do it in the spirit of fun where everyone understands the rules and it won't result in any real ugliness.
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I wouldn't do it.
Too much us versus them in an idea like that.
yeah like Axis Vs Allies?
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Surely there's a way to do it in the spirit of fun where everyone understands the rules and it won't result in any real ugliness.
Absolutely Jimson! I want the sort of fun, where we all toss salutes on channel 1 win or lose and plan on rematches or more matchups in the future!
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we can have rules of engagement without screwing up anyone's fun, as long as both teams agree to them. I don't see this as a problem. sometimes, ya just gotta have a couple of rules! besides this is a special event, not something that is going to come into play on a daily basis!
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Rules of engagement?
No ho's? This could be a problem in as as much as I avoid ho's and love no icons, I've accidentally done it in a big furball when I suddenly got a snapshot and couldn't immediately tell the bogies direction.
No vulching? Could say wheels must be up before attack, but not very enforceable.
The best rule would be no taunting, flaming or trash talking.
Rules or no rules as long as everyone agrees, is fine with me.
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The best rule would be no taunting, flaming or trash talking.
This is the one rule that no matter what must be enforced by both sides. Otherwise the AVA for this session is a war zone and you are subject to destruction or death without notice and in any manner applicable. If we can stick with this, the Pigs will be your Huckleberry. Awaiting the AVA Regulars response....
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During the event this would be grounds for ejection, hows that? lets just say, if you cant do it in the FSO, you cant do it during the event!
any other rules of engagement would have to be agreed upon in open forum.
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This is the one rule that no matter what must be enforced by both sides. Otherwise the AVA for this session is a war zone and you are subject to destruction or death without notice and in any manner applicable. If we can stick with this, the Pigs will be your Huckleberry. Awaiting the AVA Regulars response....
I agree with this completely. Once you start adding in more "rules of engagement", it takes away from the event IMO. This should be kill or be killed, not a round robin of 1 on 1's.
Oh and, I'm in!
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oh trust me, this will not be any 1 V 1, this is going to be full out war!
<edit> twizzty, you're on my side right? :pray im ascaired to fly against you!! :bolt:
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less talking more doing.....
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Rules of engagement?
No ho's? This could be a problem in as as much as I avoid ho's and love no icons, I've accidentally done it in a big furball when I suddenly got a snapshot and couldn't immediately tell the bogies direction.
No vulching? Could say wheels must be up before attack, but not very enforceable.
The best rule would be no taunting, flaming or trash talking.
Rules or no rules as long as everyone agrees, is fine with me.
if it's a capture the flag kind of thing, i'd hafta say that anything goes.....although it would piss me off to get ho'd.......in base captures, that happens all the time. there's too much grey area if we try to not have them.
i'd say maybe only eliminate ramming, as the defender would have too much advantage should they do that......
also...the no taunting/flaming thing.....this brings us back to the "neutral" cm from one of the sea events.........they(hopefully) will look at both sides evenly, and go with a 1 warning, if it happens again, then eject that person.....regardless of who they are, or what side they happen to be on.
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I agree with this completely. Once you start adding in more "rules of engagement", it takes away from the event IMO. This should be kill or be killed, not a round robin of 1 on 1's.
Oh and, I'm in!
i just put my pee 38 in an armored, nuclear powered, fully shielded, booby-trapped bunker deep underground, at an undisclosed location.
now lets see ya break it. :devil :neener:
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we can make up a short rule set that everyone will be happy with. the rules only affect the participants anyway. again this is just for the event, not for daily use.
i wouldnt want to say no ho-ing because its gonna happen, i would say please avoid hoing, and that would be workable.
i would say no vulching on approach or take off ie wheels and flaps down. now if the other side is about to take the base and you need to CAP it, well then vulching is fair tactics. its up to each squad to do the right thing, that's all. again rules will be predetermined and agreed upon.
again its all in the wording and what people want to agree to. this is not for general use, but rather for the event only.
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oh trust me, this will not be any 1 V 1, this is going to be full out war!
<edit> twizzty, you're on my side right? :pray im ascaired to fly against you!! :bolt:
hehe, yeah I'm an AvA regular for this! :rock
i just put my pee 38 in an armored, nuclear powered, fully shielded, booby-trapped bunker deep underground, at an undisclosed location.
now lets see ya break it. :devil :neener:
I don't have to break it CAP...I just have to wait for you to! :D :devil
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object: capture the flag! pick 2 bases close to each other, AVA players at one base, JGXXX(insert any large Squad name here) at the other base. object is to capture the other guys' base. mind you this would involve identical planes at both bases, GV'ing is fair game. this is not a strictly aerial battle but rather a battle of wits!
You know, that might be an interesting future feature idea. Hang a flag in mid-air, if a plane hits it, they pick it up. Have to get the flag back to some base without being shot down. You could do all the rules: central flag with two separate bases or a flag at each base, flag drops at the spot when you die or is returned to original start point, etc. That could be an interesting team variant of the KOTH nights...
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Rules of engagement?
The best rule would be no taunting, flaming or trash talking.
:aok
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if it's a capture the flag kind of thing, i'd hafta say that anything goes.....although it would piss me off to get ho'd.......in base captures, that happens all the time. there's too much grey area if we try to not have them.
i'd say maybe only eliminate ramming, as the defender would have too much advantage should they do that......
also...the no taunting/flaming thing.....this brings us back to the "neutral" cm from one of the sea events.........they(hopefully) will look at both sides evenly, and go with a 1 warning, if it happens again, then eject that person.....regardless of who they are, or what side they happen to be on.
Hello Cap,
You know you and I have always been friendly bro. Since the Pigs are the front runners for the first go round of this idea. First, I can assure you that the Pigs will not be trash-talking, flaming and such. I simply will not allow it. I do expect the same behavior in turn form the other side. Second, the possibility of a HO (gun to gun solution) may occur in the heat of battle. It is not any of my squad's first choice, as most of us have learned that separated merges to gain a kill shot without endangering our plane is a better way to go. Third, intentional ramming is simply not possible.
With all of that said, and reading Captain1MA's posts, it looks like we will be able to hammer out the guidelines before the match so we are all settled. I look forward to this in fun, and I promise a heckuva fight.
:salute
Way
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Hello Cap,
You know you and I have always been friendly bro. Since the Pigs are the front runners for the first go round of this idea. First, I can assure you that the Pigs will not be trash-talking, flaming and such. I simply will not allow it. I do expect the same behavior in turn form the other side. Second, the possibility of a HO (gun to gun solution) may occur in the heat of battle. It is not any of my squad's first choice, as most of us have learned that separated merges to gain a kill shot without endangering our plane is a better way to go. Third, intentional ramming is simply not possible.
With all of that said, and reading Captain1MA's posts, it looks like we will be able to hammer out the guidelines before the match so we are all settled. I look forward to this in fun, and I promise a heckuva fight.
:salute
Way
and we'll continue to be friendly too, 'cause you're a cool guy from what i've experienced here, and in the arenas.......and i can't wait to see/hear how much fun it is. :salute
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posted by jimson:
The best rule would be no taunting, flaming or trash talking.
This is basically the only rule you need and the only one you can realistically enforce. Treat other players with respect, keep your cool and the rest will work itself out.
posted by waystin2:
...So what if anything as far as tactics is off the table? My preference is nothing. I plan on my Pigs being shot from all angles, vulched, bombed, camped, my hangars, ordnance and DAR porked...
I agree with this completely. Just get in there, give it your best shot, have some fun and let the chips fall where they may. Don't worry about trying to "control" how other players fly. It just causes way more problems then it solves.
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and we'll continue to be friendly too, 'cause you're a cool guy from what i've experienced here, and in the arenas.......and i can't wait to see/hear how much fun it is. :salute
+1
The Flying Pigs are all goods in my book
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/Aces%20High/1pigflygif-1.gif) :aok
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The Flying Pigs are all goods in my book
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/Aces%20High/1pigflygif-1.gif) :aok
yea.....+1 on that. i should've included the rest of the squad in my statement. :aok
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Guys, just so everyone is clear, the plan is for this challenge event to happen NEXT Tuesday September 28, 2010 around 930pm EST. Waystin and I are still hashing it out, but thats what we have so far. oh yeah i think he said he can put up about 15-20 guys, we'll need a little help on the AVA regulars side to even the odds!
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Just put me on the side that is too full. I'm equal to about -3 pilots.
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Just put me on the side that is too full. I'm equal to about -3 pilots.
All kidding and ribbing aside for a moment, this is something that I and the Captain have discussed and decided. We will make every effort to keep the sides balanced. It will be more fun for all!