Aces High Bulletin Board

General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: moot on June 25, 2009, 01:18:38 PM

Title: Beta is out
Post by: moot on June 25, 2009, 01:18:38 PM
In case anyone missed it.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,267399.0.html

Don't install it over your current AH directory.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Bruv119 on June 25, 2009, 01:19:28 PM
 :furious   dam always nowhere near my cockpit PC when they release new stuff     :cry

WTG HTC!!
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: moot on June 25, 2009, 01:21:24 PM
Post cool screens of the new graphics :D
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: waystin2 on June 25, 2009, 01:36:52 PM
We are so close that I can taste it!!! :x
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Strip on June 25, 2009, 01:38:10 PM
<-----tasted it.


Its like filet migon!
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: waystin2 on June 25, 2009, 01:40:06 PM
<-----tasted it.


Its like filet migon!

At work and you are killing me Sir!!!  :cry
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Shuffler on June 25, 2009, 01:48:57 PM
Downloading both now............
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Kazaa on June 25, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
See rule #4
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: moot on June 25, 2009, 02:19:18 PM
Hehe  4 kills first sortie in I16.. Incl Pyro  :devil
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Kazaa on June 25, 2009, 02:21:12 PM
See rule #4
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Banshee7 on June 25, 2009, 02:22:05 PM
No kidding.  Kept a steady frame rate the whole time....but it was 7-10  :(
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Kazaa on June 25, 2009, 02:26:01 PM
No kidding.  Kept a steady frame rate the whole time....but it was 7-10  :(

/hug
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Banshee7 on June 25, 2009, 02:34:25 PM
Looks like the end of AH2 for me.  I guess it's time to grow up.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Qrsu on June 25, 2009, 02:46:18 PM
Loving the I-16. Also, object shadowing is amazing!
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LLogann on June 25, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
I know how you feel sir.  Not even on the same continent as my plane.


:furious   dam always nowhere near my cockpit PC when they release new stuff     :cry

WTG HTC!!
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Kazaa on June 25, 2009, 02:53:53 PM
This is a serious overhaul, wow.

Make sure you go into the advanced settings for all the goodies, or if your running low FPS you can turn the detail way down.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: lazydog on June 25, 2009, 02:57:16 PM
FR was around 25 for me hope it gets better when this thing goes live
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: humble on June 25, 2009, 03:05:40 PM
outstanding....
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Shuffler on June 25, 2009, 03:06:08 PM
ha.... this is my evening to go play pool..... I might just skip pool today.




Might
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: comet61 on June 25, 2009, 03:08:33 PM
Just got done loading and setting all of my key mapping and joystick settings. The new terrain is awesome and I didn't have too many problems as of yet except a few noticeable items...minor perhaps.

At the initial startup with video settings from the other AH I use I had a significant frame rate drop. On the current AH I am maxed out at 75fps. When I started the beta I was at 11-18fps. Big hit. I turned down anti-aliasing and turned off VSync...then it jumped to 45-62fps. That's acceptable to me anyway. I did notice most of the known problems that Pyro mentioned. I still need to fine tune the video settings. Will set up a profile with the NVidia global setting for the beta. See how that goes.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Kazaa on June 25, 2009, 03:19:27 PM
.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: WWhiskey on June 25, 2009, 03:24:33 PM
new game rocks!!! :salute got my first three kills in the BREW  think i might be stuck there the rest of the day
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: texastc316 on June 25, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
Is this working well online? We shooting eachother and all that or just AI
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: lazydog on June 25, 2009, 03:28:18 PM
COMET let us know how it goes with the settings and what you did
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Strip on June 25, 2009, 03:30:51 PM
Is this working well online? We shooting eachother and all that or just AI

60 people and climbing steadly online
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: texastc316 on June 25, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
Sweet thanks.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: mechanic on June 25, 2009, 03:49:32 PM
Looks like the end of AH2 for me.  I guess it's time to grow up so i can afford an uber PC

 :P
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: SKJohn on June 25, 2009, 03:58:52 PM
I tried it out in the offline mode.  No major problems noted that were not already addresed on the intro page.  Love the new, almost photo like graphics except for one thing - you have this beautiful looking scenery, very realistic, then smack in the middle of it a cartoonish looking airfield (same as current version of AH).

First (and only) planes I tried out so far were the Brewster and the I-16.  THe Brewster's cockpit seemed very dark, but other than that were very cool to putt-putt around in.

Loking forward to the full release version!
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: StokesAk on June 25, 2009, 04:00:59 PM
84%!!!!!!!!  :aok
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: TUK on June 25, 2009, 04:18:28 PM
<<<<<<<<<<<SKEERD!  :uhoh
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: StokesAk on June 25, 2009, 04:29:58 PM
Will the grapihic improve with the update?
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Dawger on June 25, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
WELL....I guess maybe I'll get to decide if I'm gonna upgrade or unsubscribe.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Qrsu on June 25, 2009, 04:34:31 PM
Will the grapihic improve with the update?

Certain aspects. Lighting, shadows, reflections and terrain mainly.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Kotari on June 25, 2009, 04:36:55 PM
HTC, Wtg with the patch.
Looks awesome, and the Brewster is great  :salute

Can´t crank up the details though, so please do tell the system specs needed to play this new version on full details, and ill go and buy that hardware.
(Really, i want to know whats needed... i´m not squeaking)  :devil

Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LLogann on June 25, 2009, 04:38:00 PM
HIGH-RES TEXTURE PACKAGE. 

HTC, Wtg with the patch.
Looks awesome, and the Brewster is great  :salute

Can´t crank up the details though, so please do tell the system specs needed to play this new version on full details, and ill go and buy that hardware.
(Really, i want to know whats needed... i´m not squeaking)  :devil


Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: GuyNoir on June 25, 2009, 04:38:39 PM
For everyone threatening to throw in the towel, didn't they say that they haven't finished the lowered graphics detail options yet in the beta?  Once those go live, it sounds like you'll get your precious framerates back...  :D


edit.  Oh, and for others wondering about PC upgrading options, here's a butt-kicking gaming machine for 500 bucks: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366177

If you cannibalize your old PC, you could buy just the motherboard, processor, and video card for ~$269...  The 4 gigs of ram is 45 bucks.  The video card is ~100 bucks. 

It's really not as dramatic to upgrade a PC as you might think. :)
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: TonyJoey on June 25, 2009, 04:38:59 PM
Might unsubscribe too. Running a solid 3 frame rates. :(
For everyone threatening to throw in the towel, didn't they say that they haven't finished the lowered graphics detail options yet in the beta?  Once those go live, it sounds like you'll get your precious framerates back...  :D
Hopefully.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Kotari on June 25, 2009, 04:41:22 PM
HIGH-RES TEXTURE PACKAGE. 


Nope, had it already.
If i crank it up in options, i can go anything between 60 (V-Synced) to slow as a mime.
Seriously, hardware specs please  :x
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Dawger on June 25, 2009, 05:00:12 PM
For everyone threatening to throw in the towel, didn't they say that they haven't finished the lowered graphics detail options yet in the beta?  Once those go live, it sounds like you'll get your precious framerates back...  :D


edit.  Oh, and for others wondering about PC upgrading options, here's a butt-kicking gaming machine for 500 bucks: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366177

If you cannibalize your old PC, you could buy just the motherboard, processor, and video card for ~$269...  The 4 gigs of ram is 45 bucks.  The video card is ~100 bucks. 

It's really not as dramatic to upgrade a PC as you might think. :)

It ain't the money. Graphics isn't going to change the game and its only marginally enjoyable for me after 10 years online. Now if HTC announced the new version would come with no icon historical arena that featured the P38 50 weeks out of the year then I'd consider building a new machine. If HTC also announced all player driven ground vehicles would be eliminated and ack guns would fire at friend or foe alike in the main arena then I'd buy five years in advance and build a monster rig.

But I suspect none of the above is likely so when the update is forced I will have to search my soul. It won't take long. It aint very big.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Charge on June 25, 2009, 05:05:50 PM
I think it would be good to browse through FPS test thread and try to figure out if similar systems perform better indicating that there is something wrong with the setup, most likely corrupt drivers, DirectX etc.

Of course if some other game with as heavy or heavier graphics runs OK it could indeed be caused by the game.

My FPS was around 30-50 with one notch of AA and all goodies on but sliders abt middle.

Intel 9300, GF8800GT.

-C+

PS. The cocpit shadows look very very good and add as much immersion as I though. Maybe a slider to add contrast to them?
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: BaldEagl on June 25, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
First of all it looks great in general, love the I-16 and the Brewster.  The Brewster is much more responsive than I thought it would be and the I-16 a little less than I expected but I like them both.

I have a relatively new and pretty high powered machine (Intel E6750 overclocked to 3.2 Ghz, 4 Ghz DDR2 800 RAM and a 8800 GTS 512 Mb G92 ) and my frames were dropping into the mid-low 40's at times with all eye candy and all my card's graphic settings maxed.  There was also some slight stuttering as I looked around from the cockpit but not major.  Normally in AHII I never budge off my monitor's refresh rate of 60.

The shimmering is a bit annoying and may be contributing to my FR's.  I also noticed that from the air the sea horizon is bumpy/jagged, like it's hilly or mountainous.

I also copied my AHII settings over and for some reason the gear and flap sounds almost blew my ears out the first time I used them.  I had to crank one down to 70% and the other to 50%.  I also had to reduce my gamma from 1.0 to .75 so the terrain wouldn't look washed out.

Hopefully there will be a sticky to start posting this stuff in.

WTG HT.  It's gonna be great.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: moot on June 25, 2009, 05:25:32 PM
I also noticed that from the air the sea horizon is bumpy/jagged, like it's hilly or mountainous.
Did you check the "show horizon" option in the graphics settings?
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: trotter on June 25, 2009, 05:29:32 PM
playing new beta > nba draft

now knicks, trade up and get rubio. or sit and take lawson. my night will be complete.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: BaldEagl on June 25, 2009, 06:08:36 PM
Did you check the "show horizon" option in the graphics settings?

Yes
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: moot on June 25, 2009, 06:14:43 PM
Can you post a screen of it over in the Beta forum?
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: lazydog on June 25, 2009, 06:36:20 PM
For everyone threatening to throw in the towel, didn't they say that they haven't finished the lowered graphics detail options yet in the beta?  Once those go live, it sounds like you'll get your precious framerates back...  :D


edit.  Oh, and for others wondering about PC upgrading options, here's a butt-kicking gaming machine for 500 bucks: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366177

If you cannibalize your old PC, you could buy just the motherboard, processor, and video card for ~$269...  The 4 gigs of ram is 45 bucks.  The video card is ~100 bucks. 

It's really not as dramatic to upgrade a PC as you might think. :)
mmmmm think i'll pay the rent 1st
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: BaldEagl on June 25, 2009, 06:55:28 PM
Can you post a screen of it over in the Beta forum?

I'll have to get one.

I also saved a couple of filmed flights but they make the film viewer crash as soon as I try to open them.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Happy1 on June 25, 2009, 07:36:22 PM
Downloaded the Beta version, graphics & FPS are fine, just as in AHII, I flew & taped
my flight & botched up '51 landing, but noticed that there's no AHBeta Film Editor,
NP, copied from AHBeta films to AHII films & watched the film.
The film came out fine but the terrain & plane skins were all AHII, that's understand-
able, as presently there's no Film Viewer in AHBeta   :)
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LCCajun on June 25, 2009, 08:02:31 PM
I guess when I get a chance to get on the game I will decide if I am keeping my account or not. I would like to be able to play in the new setup if not oh well <S>.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: SKJohn on June 25, 2009, 08:49:31 PM
I have the AA set all the way up, all graphics sliders all the way to the left, all the shadows, horizon, etc set as "on".  I get a steady 59 FPS (monitor max is 60) in the off-line mode.  (Thanks again, TilDeath!)

IIRC, my machine is a 2.6 quad-core I7, with a GeForce 9800 GTX+ video card, and 4 gb RAM.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Larry on June 25, 2009, 09:03:56 PM
Flying with high detail I get very low FR. When high detail is off I cant tell how far away from the ground I am. Iv already ran into the ground thinking I wasn't near it, and also pulled off an enemy because I though we were both about to hit the ground only to find out I was more then 2k from the ground.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Belial on June 25, 2009, 09:04:32 PM
As the New terrain is now I believe Hitech should merge the two terrains together, my system will not run the new one properly.  He should leave an option to stay with old terrain pack.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: SNIPER30 on June 25, 2009, 10:40:41 PM
No kidding.  Kept a steady frame rate the whole time....but it was 7-10  :(

I'M glad i'm not the only one, mine was 8-18 the whole time :cry
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LYNX on June 25, 2009, 11:04:25 PM


Whats the PANIC about ?

Really guys....its a beta test......not the finished article...get a grip chaps.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LYNX on June 25, 2009, 11:36:49 PM
OK there's not a lot to worry about.  It is after all a test arena and not the finished article.  I can't see HTC making a play to loose customers......can you?

Anyways got some screenies but first my system
XP home
Service pack 3
AMD Athlon 64
3000+
2GHz 1gb ram

Radion sapphire 3840 512mb


With the beta default settings I could use the 8inch with no problem although my FPS was down

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/beta1.jpg)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/beta3.jpg)

Could even GV with all the bells and whistles

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/beta4.jpg)

(Mindanao anyone ?)
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Shuffler on June 25, 2009, 11:39:35 PM
Don't waste your time...... let them get past first base .... first.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LYNX on June 25, 2009, 11:45:20 PM
When it came to flying there I met some problems.  My system was like the bad old days  FPS very low.  Seen it drop to 9 in the middle off TT furball.  Like a slide show but I could still bomb accurately when i tuck me 26's to a city.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/beta6.jpg)

So I turned off all the stuff in graphics advanced.  OK it don't look so pretty but could fly and fight like normal.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/beta8.jpg)

You have to remember its a TEST.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: RATTFINK on June 25, 2009, 11:51:46 PM
...beep, beep, beep...THIS IS A TEST.... THIS IS ONLY A TEST....
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Shuffler on June 26, 2009, 12:20:38 AM
Yup... a very early test. Already deleted it.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: hubsonfire on June 26, 2009, 12:45:45 AM
I can't see HTC making a play to loose customers......can you?

Aye, I remember the switch from AH to AH2, after they'd said they'd keep both versions running to avoid running customers off. Going by something HT said a few days ago in another thread, he's not looking to do it again. They lost a lot of customers over that- I think it  nearly killed HTC. Guess we'll see soon enough.

Performance does suck (this PC was built to AH2 Beta specs, when it was still 1.9something), but it looks good.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Guppy35 on June 26, 2009, 01:06:26 AM
Flying with high detail I get very low FR. When high detail is off I cant tell how far away from the ground I am. Iv already ran into the ground thinking I wasn't near it, and also pulled off an enemy because I though we were both about to hit the ground only to find out I was more then 2k from the ground.

Noticed that too.  With low detail I had an ok frame rate but the ground was hard to judge.  And I need all the help i can get :)

Saddest thing I saw was someone actually killed the FH's at a fight.  40 people in there and someone in a beta is killing hangers to stop fighters flying.

Had some good fights with Batfink however.  That Brewster is gonna be a fun one.  I-16 will be a tougher bird to handle with that little rudder. 
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: froger on June 26, 2009, 01:31:05 AM

Whats the PANIC about ?

Really guys....its a beta test......not the finished article...get a grip chaps.



yep...always gonna be stuff to work out...
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Delirium on June 26, 2009, 02:59:12 AM
My frame rate only dropped below 60 once and that was when I was running something in the background.

Then again, Tildeath built this sytem for me.  :devil
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: mechanic on June 26, 2009, 03:00:58 AM
self shadows took me down to 30-40 fps but with it off everything maxed i stuck at 60.


I can't bring myself to play the old vresion again, it's twice the game, visualy, when working to full potential.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Delirium on June 26, 2009, 03:18:31 AM
I found the shadows were really great, it is much easier to use the sun to blind a bandit to your attack than ever before.

I really like the new patch! It needs a little tweaking, but I would expect that from a beta.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Larry on June 26, 2009, 04:38:27 AM
Had some good fights with Batfink however.  That Brewster is gonna be a fun one.  I-16 will be a tougher bird to handle with that little rudder. 

I like the 239, but I have to say I like the feel of the I-16 better. I love making A6Ms over shoot then get a butt full of 20mms.

Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LYNX on June 26, 2009, 06:11:01 AM
Aye, I remember the switch from AH to AH2, after they'd said they'd keep both versions running to avoid running customers off. Going by something HT said a few days ago in another thread, he's not looking to do it again. They lost a lot of customers over that- I think it  nearly killed HTC. Guess we'll see soon enough.

Performance does suck (this PC was built to AH2 Beta specs, when it was still 1.9something), but it looks good.

I don't recall AH running 2 arena side by side except AHII Beta.  On the other hand I recall the other sim doing 2 arena at once.  Now that did shag em bad and they still haven't recovered.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LYNX on June 26, 2009, 06:29:06 AM
I forgot to mention that I disabled the High Res and saved 15 to 20 fps.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: SunBat on June 26, 2009, 07:29:10 AM
I held at 75 with eveything on. Need to go set max to 65. I will probably use shadows once the ammo counter bug is worked out. The only problem I had was losing bad guy icons in rear views. I expect it close to the ground but they weren't always on the deck when I lost them. I could still see the plane okay though. Anyone else notice this?
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: moot on June 26, 2009, 08:08:51 AM
Noticed that too.  With low detail I had an ok frame rate but the ground was hard to judge.  And I need all the help i can get :)

Saddest thing I saw was someone actually killed the FH's at a fight.  40 people in there and someone in a beta is killing hangers to stop fighters flying.

Had some good fights with Batfink however.  That Brewster is gonna be a fun one.  I-16 will be a tougher bird to handle with that little rudder. 
Nuts.. Second flight in the beta with barely 20 people in the arena... And while fighting a Brewster in an I16, a spit8 and tiffie found nothing better to do than barge right thru.  Couple of guys were flying formations to the center of the island to carpet GVs.  :huh
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: macleod01 on June 26, 2009, 08:12:50 AM
Just for those of you's who havent played the Beta yet, Heres a look at the Vbase now. This was over TT

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z238/bigmacleod01/ahss0.jpg)
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: CAP1 on June 26, 2009, 08:21:43 AM
just a request?

those of you having trouble, post your system specs? it could give the rest of us an idea if we're going to have troubles or not..........

thanks
,,,,
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Twizzty on June 26, 2009, 08:37:11 AM
Here was my experience CAP.

Dual Intel 2.2's
4gig ram
8400GS w/512mg
Vista Home Prem

System runs AHII very well, always pegged at 60fps with the sliders maxed, text is hires 1024.


Now, Beta runs at about 10-15fps with more or less these same settings. If I turn the ground effects off it jumps to 45-50fps, but it looks like your flying over a giant green marshmellow, like Larry said very hard to judge distances.

Also CAP check out this thread for more info: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,267446.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,267446.0.html)

Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: hitech on June 26, 2009, 08:45:30 AM
Also a note: If you are ruining the ATI control panel, disable it, some people have seen a huge performance increase by disabling it.

HiTech
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: CAP1 on June 26, 2009, 08:53:55 AM
My frame rate only dropped below 60 once and that was when I was running something in the background.

Then again, Tildeath built this sytem for me.  :devil

nw THAT made me feel better..........as i have one of his systems too.  :D
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Shuffler on June 26, 2009, 08:55:34 AM
Also a note: If you are ruining the ATI control panel, disable it, some people have seen a huge performance increase by disabling it.

HiTech

Ahhh good info... I have not flown yet as my controls would not work but I am running ATI CP so if there is any probs there I'll kill it.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LYNX on June 26, 2009, 09:54:16 AM
Also a note: If you are ruining the ATI control panel, disable it, some people have seen a huge performance increase by disabling it.

HiTech

Yep had it off....the control panel.    ;)
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: antivortex on June 26, 2009, 10:27:57 AM
My $.02

Well I can tell you from experience that those of you currently running AH2 with FPS issues will not be able to play once the update comes out. I have a smoking system that I built to play AH2 and I've never gone below 59 FPS, I have a top of the line video card with 800 megs. Currently in beta I'm getting 15 to 17 FPS, I feel like back when AH2 was first released. I'd post a couple screenshots for you but the current filmviewer in AH2 will not run the beta films. The difference between the current game and beta as far as visually the jagged lines are still there just much smaller so it looks better but kills your frame rates tremendously.

Il-16, Brewster... hanger queens, after you get whacked a dozen or so times by a P-40B you'll never touch those pigs again. Full fuel and no drop tanks the Il-16 has 15 minutes, the Brewster 41 minutes.

O.k. personally I don't play AH2 for the stellar graphics, its more of a social outing with friends. I'd recomend updating current planes and filling in the gaps in plane sets would have been time well spent compared to what I'm playing on beta. I predict barren skies just like when AH2 was released when the next update comes.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: wsveum on June 26, 2009, 10:33:37 AM
I was getting last night a FPS from 35- 60 I have a 8800GT on a vista pc quad core. Gateway 9600. 3mb ram. But not many where on playing, only about 45-50. I willbe waiting to see if I need to upgrade my PC. Only time and beta will tell.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: mensa180 on June 26, 2009, 10:37:16 AM
The Brewster should be able to thoroughly whip a P-40B.


Before everyone runs off and panics, again, this is a beta.  Pyro mentioned that low res wasn't working in the beta.  In the update you will still be able to play with low-res.  You will be O.K.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: SunBat on June 26, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
My $.02

Well I can tell you from experience that those of you currently running AH2 with FPS issues will not be able to play once the update comes out. I have a smoking system that I built to play AH2 and I've never gone below 59 FPS, I have a top of the line video card with 800 megs. Currently in beta I'm getting 15 to 17 FPS, I feel like back when AH2 was first released. I'd post a couple screenshots for you but the current filmviewer in AH2 will not run the beta films. The difference between the current game and beta as far as visually the jagged lines are still there just much smaller so it looks better but kills your frame rates tremendously.

Il-16, Brewster... hanger queens, after you get whacked a dozen or so times by a P-40B you'll never touch those pigs again. Full fuel and no drop tanks the Il-16 has 15 minutes, the Brewster 41 minutes.

O.k. personally I don't play AH2 for the stellar graphics, its more of a social outing with friends. I'd recomend updating current planes and filling in the gaps in plane sets would have been time well spent compared to what I'm playing on beta. I predict barren skies just like when AH2 was released when the next update comes.

Sounds like your system ain't as smokin' as you thought.  :rofl
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: waystin2 on June 26, 2009, 10:40:18 AM
You will be O.K.

Finally a voice of reason concerning the FR loss experienced in the Beta.  That is why they call it Beta, it is a test version, not the final...
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Shuffler on June 26, 2009, 10:46:00 AM
Finally a voice of reason concerning the FR loss experienced in the Beta.  That is why they call it Beta, it is a test version, not the final...

It's not even the final test version..... or the version final for testing or......
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: waystin2 on June 26, 2009, 10:57:45 AM
It's not even the final test version..... or the version final for testing or......

So it is the not quite final test beta version for developing the final beta version which is not even the final update...ooooooh my head hurts!

(http://webphysics.davidson.edu/faculty/thg/images/pout.jpg)

Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LYNX on June 26, 2009, 10:58:56 AM
My $.02

Well I can tell you from experience that those of you currently running AH2 with FPS issues will not be able to play once the update comes out. I have a smoking system that I built to play AH2 and I've never gone below 59 FPS, I have a top of the line video card with 800 megs. Currently in beta I'm getting 15 to 17 FPS, I feel like back when AH2 was first released. I'd post a couple screenshots for you but the current filmviewer in AH2 will not run the beta films. The difference between the current game and beta as far as visually the jagged lines are still there just much smaller so it looks better but kills your frame rates tremendously.

Il-16, Brewster... hanger queens, after you get whacked a dozen or so times by a P-40B you'll never touch those pigs again. Full fuel and no drop tanks the Il-16 has 15 minutes, the Brewster 41 minutes.

O.k. personally I don't play AH2 for the stellar graphics, its more of a social outing with friends. I'd recomend updating current planes and filling in the gaps in plane sets would have been time well spent compared to what I'm playing on beta. I predict barren skies just like when AH2 was released when the next update comes.

Although you are entitled to an opinion you are wrong on nearly every point. Hey have a nice day :aok
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: antivortex on June 26, 2009, 11:07:21 AM
Although you are entitled to an opinion you are wrong on nearly every point. Hey have a nice day :aok

I've been playing since AH beta, I've been though all the major updates so I've been there, done that. My post has more reality than fiction and will show so upon release of the update. Have a warm n fuzzy day!
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Yeager on June 26, 2009, 11:10:10 AM
I was able to play with it a few minutes last night.  Looks good.  Water looks really good but its very hard to tell how close I am to it when only a few hundred feet above it.  Yes, my FPS appears to have take a 50% hit but hey, its beta and I need a new system anyway.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: humble on June 26, 2009, 11:10:26 AM
My $.02

Well I can tell you from experience that those of you currently running AH2 with FPS issues will not be able to play once the update comes out. I have a smoking system that I built to play AH2 and I've never gone below 59 FPS, I have a top of the line video card with 800 megs. Currently in beta I'm getting 15 to 17 FPS, I feel like back when AH2 was first released. I'd post a couple screenshots for you but the current filmviewer in AH2 will not run the beta films. The difference between the current game and beta as far as visually the jagged lines are still there just much smaller so it looks better but kills your frame rates tremendously.

Il-16, Brewster... hanger queens, after you get whacked a dozen or so times by a P-40B you'll never touch those pigs again. Full fuel and no drop tanks the Il-16 has 15 minutes, the Brewster 41 minutes.

O.k. personally I don't play AH2 for the stellar graphics, its more of a social outing with friends. I'd recomend updating current planes and filling in the gaps in plane sets would have been time well spent compared to what I'm playing on beta. I predict barren skies just like when AH2 was released when the next update comes.

This is confusing to me, I have a pretty middle of the road system (6600, XP, 8800GT, 4G & onboard sound) and have equal or better performance in the beta with the hi-res package an all sliders "maxed". I think that a lot of issues here go back to having a properly configured system. BTW I have 65+ processes running including a lot of the "uglies" skuzzy hates like NET. I do not however have any resource hogs running blind or other issues that effect the systems ability to function.


As for the comments on the new rides, well that speaks to the posters level of ability and not the planes. Very capable additions that will get significant use in the MA.... :aok
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: antivortex on June 26, 2009, 11:16:01 AM
Oh I'm sure I need to tweak it, that was my first impression Humble... I'm just thinking back to when AH2 was released and the turmoil it created. I'm not at home so I can't spend the day playing with settings.

And I'm glad so many think they'll get significant use... I look forward to landing many kills of them.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: humble on June 26, 2009, 11:31:58 AM
Its all a question of what your used to. The historical reality is that faster was better and that slow = target. However within the scope of AH both birds are formidable. The brew hits as well as the FM-2 and the I-16 has the twin 20mm....both appear to have significantly better control authority at speed then either the early zeke or the 109-E. So within the context of the inherent limitations of the performance envelope these are exceptionally survivable and robust planes that offer a significantly better "T&B" capability with a much better +E control authority at higher speeds. The 239 is going to be a very formidable beasty in scenario/FSO while filling a niche as an LWA perk farmer. I think both will give the spit/nikki/hurri drivers fits....
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: antivortex on June 26, 2009, 11:37:32 AM
Both fill gaps for special events where they will be used most, honestly after the initial 'new plane' euforia they will be a rare plane to encounter... even the Fins will migrate back to their spixteens.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: humble on June 26, 2009, 11:44:34 AM
Yes and no. You will always see a preference toward the top few planes, however the 239 has the potential to gain a wide following among the more experienced pilot base. The I-16 has some range issues but I was flying it with rockets and DT's and it handled well. It just suffers 1 on 1 vs the 239 or similar. I can see both playing a much larger role in the MA then the P-39 has....
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: BnZs on June 26, 2009, 11:45:12 AM
Its all a question of what your used to. The historical reality is that faster was better and that slow = target.

Historical reality 80% of the time equaled "I saw the bandit, he didn't see me, I closed and *boom*". Obviously in this situation top speed minimizes the time it takes to close thus maximizing the chances of approaching unseen. And an enemy aircraft that is flying around much slower than your own is much, much less likely to be able to close on your formation unspotted.

But it was also the historical reality that actually dogfighting a bandit with significantly lighter wingloading can be a very knotty problem, as the United States (re)discovered in Vietnam.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Kotari on June 26, 2009, 11:50:11 AM
Both fill gaps for special events where they will be used most, honestly after the initial 'new plane' euforia they will be a rare plane to encounter... even the Fins will migrate back to their spixteens.

We will do what ?   :rofl

You Sir, clearly are clueless of what rides Finns use on daily basis.
(You know, we don´t have fins, so we´re still quite bad swimmers, eh)  :devil
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Wmaker on June 26, 2009, 11:54:40 AM
It looks like vortex is on his trolling tour. Lets not feed him anymore. Btw, I did the same mistake myself Kotari.  :) :cry
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Karnak on June 26, 2009, 12:03:20 PM
My $.02

Well I can tell you from experience that those of you currently running AH2 with FPS issues will not be able to play once the update comes out. I have a smoking system that I built to play AH2 and I've never gone below 59 FPS, I have a top of the line video card with 800 megs. Currently in beta I'm getting 15 to 17 FPS, I feel like back when AH2 was first released. I'd post a couple screenshots for you but the current filmviewer in AH2 will not run the beta films. The difference between the current game and beta as far as visually the jagged lines are still there just much smaller so it looks better but kills your frame rates tremendously.
I have a system that is more than 3.5 years old and I run at 1920x1200 and I was getting ~40-45 fps offline with everything at max.

Quote
Il-16, Brewster... hanger queens, after you get whacked a dozen or so times by a P-40B you'll never touch those pigs again. Full fuel and no drop tanks the Il-16 has 15 minutes, the Brewster 41 minutes.
They may be rare, but they'll both eat a P-40B for lunch with ease.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Hajo on June 26, 2009, 12:04:35 PM
Personaly I will fly the I-16 and the 239 a lot in LW when available.

I had 4 one on ones.....with experienced AH players and won all 4 while flying an I-16 against a 109F4, a Yak9U,
and twice against mosquitos.

Both the Buffalo and the I-16 are very capable of defeating anything in the air if handled with some sense.

Of course this is just my humble opinion.  Others may vary.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Gary26 on June 26, 2009, 12:16:32 PM
Exactly what file do i have to copy and paste to get my stick settings in beta?
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Shuffler on June 26, 2009, 12:27:05 PM
I copied the settings folder over.... but my stick, throttle, and pedals would not work.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: LYNX on June 26, 2009, 12:34:04 PM
I've been playing since AH beta, I've been though all the major updates so I've been there, done that. My post has more reality than fiction and will show so upon release of the update. Have a warm n fuzzy day!

Quote
Well I can tell you from experience that those of you currently running AH2 with FPS issues will not be able to play once the update comes out.   Quote from Pyro 
1-  The low detail mode still has a number of things to be done to  it and it's not going to be very playable in this current beta due to the lack of altitude cues.  The bump mapping is currently not working in that mode and there's some other things that are slated to be worked on there.
2-  There's a mip-mapping issue right now that's going to cause objects to shimmer in the distance.  This is most noticeable with the trees.
3-  There's some anomalies with water reflections like icons getting reflected and in weird positions.
4-  Self shadowing causing text gauges to disappear and may severely impair your frame rate.


I have a smoking system that I built to play AH2 and I've never gone below 59 FPS, I have a top of the line video card with 800 megs. Currently in beta I'm getting 15 to 17 FPS, I feel like back when AH2 was first released. Would be interested to know your system stats to fairly comment + how many processes are running


I'd post a couple screenshots for you but the current filmviewer in AH2 will not run the beta films. You can copy the film into AH II films and play them but you won't see the new terrain

The difference between the current game and beta as far as visually the jagged lines are still there just much smaller so it looks better but kills your frame rates tremendously. Refer you to Pyro's post

Il-16, Brewster... hanger queens, after you get whacked a dozen or so times by a P-40B you'll never touch those pigs again. I'll agree the Brewster may become a hanger queen in the MA's but not because of P40's which, in my opinion won't be as good in a slow turn fight.   Better than a F4f and just about on a par with FM2's.  As for the I-16 I had it turning with A6ms.  Granted it has limited range but the drops are not detrimentle to the handling.   With twin 20mm's you don't want one D200 off ya tail.  CV defence comes to mind for both.

Full fuel and no drop tanks the Il-16 has 15 minutes, the Brewster 41 minutes.

O.k. personally I don't play AH2 for the stellar graphics, its more of a social outing with friends. Fair enough

I'd recomend updating current planes and filling in the gaps in plane sets would have been time well spent compared to what I'm playing on beta. These are 2 capable planes that fit across all arenas.  Obviuosly you disagree....so what would you have "recommended"?

I predict barren skies just like when AH2 was released when the next update comes.  Funny that...I don't remember barron skies when AHII was released
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: crazyivan on June 26, 2009, 02:11:02 PM
Both fill gaps for special events where they will be used most, honestly after the initial 'new plane' euforia they will be a rare plane to encounter... even the Fins will migrate back to their spixteens.
Thanks for the input Nostradamus. :aok
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: kvuo75 on June 26, 2009, 02:58:59 PM
Finally a voice of reason concerning the FR loss experienced in the Beta.  That is why they call it Beta, it is a test version, not the final...

indeed!

(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3787/relaxf.jpg) (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/relaxf.jpg/)


Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: The Fugitive on June 26, 2009, 03:32:23 PM
I finally got to fly the beta a bit today. Loved the shadows, loved the sea, loved the terrain. Tiffy looks good all cleaned up, and the new planes are fun. Only problem I ran into was bozo's flying only to HO, running from a fight when you turned the tables on them, or ganging. Some were spending time hitting factories as well as radar at bases. Its BETA people ! Scores REALLY don't count in that arena!!   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Saxman on June 26, 2009, 03:34:30 PM
Its BETA people ! Scores REALLY don't count in that arena!!   :rolleyes:

Doesn't really stop 'em in the DA, either....
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: moot on June 26, 2009, 03:38:56 PM
Apparently a single I-16 on the deck is worth piling on 5:1.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Saxman on June 26, 2009, 03:40:12 PM
Apparently a single I-16 on the deck is worth piling on 5:1.

Apparently it IS like the DA.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: waystin2 on June 26, 2009, 03:40:44 PM
Relax guys!  It's only Beta! :D
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Guppy35 on June 26, 2009, 05:02:33 PM
Apparently a single I-16 on the deck is worth piling on 5:1.

LOL I had it happen too in my first I-16 ride.  3 on me and in their ack no less.  Typical of me.  And of course there was a certain AH pilot who shall remain nameless <cough> Snaphook<cough> who nailed my poor Brewster while I was turning on the deck with Batfink :)

Bastage!

That and the FH's getting killed at that fight.  Too funny :lol
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: RTSigma on June 26, 2009, 07:48:00 PM
Just a note, when I turn object shadowing on, my cockpit ammo counters and fuel selector text vanish.

And is it just me or do other planes appear bigger at distances now? At 650 they don't appear "black" or indistinguishable but with the beta they look larger.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Saxman on June 26, 2009, 08:22:32 PM
Apparently a single I-16 on the deck is worth piling on 5:1.

I loved *name deleted* chewing me out after shooting his Brewster down in my F4U-1A, earlier calling it a "dweeb ride." Y'know, after he made absolutely NO attempt whatsoever at evasive action when he could have easily out-turned me to evade my gunnery pass.

Then about half an hour later the guy landed a pair of kills in a Spit XVI.  :lol
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: CAP1 on June 26, 2009, 10:00:28 PM
ok....i d/l'd it. with the hi res pack. changed nothing, and doing 75fps offline. i think everything is turned up all the way. i was gonna log in, but it gave me a message that my version was out of date.......did you guys get this?
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: PFactorDave on June 26, 2009, 10:06:48 PM
ok....i d/l'd it. with the hi res pack. changed nothing, and doing 75fps offline. i think everything is turned up all the way. i was gonna log in, but it gave me a message that my version was out of date.......did you guys get this?

Pyro released a patch earlier today, which would cause yours to be out of date until it is downloaded.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: CAP1 on June 26, 2009, 10:17:00 PM
Pyro released a patch earlier today, which would cause yours to be out of date until it is downloaded.
lol//////figures.......well...gonna start that one comin down, down, while i shower
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: smokey23 on June 26, 2009, 10:52:12 PM
So much for the hope they would stop the divebombin lancs and B-24's that hasnt been remedied. oh well wishfull thinking on my part i guess.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: hubsonfire on June 27, 2009, 12:19:47 AM
If it were possible to eliminate stupidity with a few lines of code, most of you wouldn't be able to post here. Be glad HTC isn't trying to accomplish this.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: jtdragon on June 27, 2009, 12:26:08 AM
HP m9350f PC w/9800gt 512 ran Beta with FR between 40-59 with sliders at 75%. Looks good
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: lazydog on June 27, 2009, 07:41:11 AM
all to funny was there yesterday and they were taking bases
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: CAP1 on June 27, 2009, 07:58:30 AM
all to funny was there yesterday and they were taking bases

that's never gonna change. just take advantage of the target rich environment.   :D

some like to base take....some like to furball.........some like to bomb......they all provide targets.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: lazydog on June 27, 2009, 08:11:29 AM
well cap were waiting have you tried beta online yet?
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: SunBat on June 27, 2009, 08:30:16 AM
I finally got to fly the beta a bit today. Loved the shadows, loved the sea, loved the terrain. Tiffy looks good all cleaned up, and the new planes are fun. Only problem I ran into was bozo's flying only to HO, running from a fight when you turned the tables on them, or ganging. Some were spending time hitting factories as well as radar at bases. Its BETA people ! Scores REALLY don't count in that arena!!   :rolleyes:
It is because that's all they know how to do. That is their AH. Sad, ain't it?
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: CAP1 on June 27, 2009, 08:46:18 AM
well cap were waiting have you tried beta online yet?
i passed out last night.

outside temp yesterday=89
inshop temp yesterday=109

i tried to stay awake long enough to get online, but couldn't make it.........probably tomorrow night at this point,.
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Shifty on June 27, 2009, 10:52:00 AM
I've been playing since AH beta, I've been though all the major updates so I've been there, done that. My post has more reality than fiction and will show so upon release of the update. Have a warm n fuzzy day!

Since AH Beta huh??  :lol

I can't find any scores for Storch before tour 40.

Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: Kazaa on June 27, 2009, 10:59:24 AM
It could be worse.

Below are the Minimum System Requirments for Rise of Flight, the newest and most demanding combat flight simulator to date.

Minimum system requirements
Operating System: Windows® XP (SP2 or higher)/Vista (SP1)
CPU: Intel® Core™2 Duo 2.4 GHz
Computer Memory: 2 GB
Free Hard Drive space: 6 GB
Joystick: Direct X 9.0 compatible joystick
Internet Connection: 256 Kb/s (required)
Graphics Card: 512 MB, GeForce 8800GT/Radeon HD3500
Minimum screen resolution: 1280x960 pix
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c compatible
Title: Re: Beta is out
Post by: smokey23 on June 27, 2009, 11:25:45 AM
 :aok