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Title: Windows 10
Post by: Krupinski on July 30, 2015, 07:24:59 AM
Anybody try it out yet? What do you think? I never used Windows 8, upgraded straight from Windows 7 and so far I'm pretty satisfied. Seems to run smoother, and looks very nice.

If it hasn't automatically downloaded for you, you can download it right now from this link:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: bq82 on July 30, 2015, 09:02:02 AM
Like the interface, and the boot to desktop time on my old system here is a lot faster.  My screen resolution is a problem now and AH crashes now and I can't even get it to run in compatibility mode.  I'll be rolling back on this old machine at least until I upgrade/build a new one.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dragon Tamer on July 30, 2015, 09:06:08 AM
Is it actually AH crashing, or is it the launcher?

I'm still using the technical preview and I sometimes get that same issue with the launcher. It will crash every time I try to open it. Sometimes restarting helps, if not I just try again another day.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Skuzzy on July 30, 2015, 09:09:28 AM
In the history of Microsoft, they have never had an operating system update, which did not have the ability to make a mess of a computer.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Krupinski on July 30, 2015, 09:18:07 AM
Strange.. current AH has been running smoother than ever for me. What resolution are you on bq82? Make sure under display settings "Change the size of text and other items" is at 100%

Speaking of the game, Skuzzy, is there any way to force the Alpha to play in windowed mode? I've been unable to get it to run on my ATI card.. always defaults to the Intel card. Playing in windowed or windowed borderless fixes the issue with other games.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dragon Tamer on July 30, 2015, 09:25:19 AM
I can usually run AH pretty well, both the alpha and the current game (as well as I would expect on the current hardware running it anyway).

I was running into a problem a few builds ago where if I was in game for long periods of time, I would get a BSOD when I tried to exit the game. It happened whether I saved the sorties or not. I also did have one BSOD while I was in flight during the scenario, but I had been recording for over an hour.

I haven't had that issue in a while though, and I was never really able to replicate it on command. It just sort of happened.

Also, lest we forget; this was the hype 20 years ago:

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md7b13wvjB1qzsvqyo2_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Skuzzy on July 30, 2015, 09:48:37 AM
Strange.. current AH has been running smoother than ever for me. What resolution are you on bq82? Make sure under display settings "Change the size of text and other items" is at 100%

Speaking of the game, Skuzzy, is there any way to force the Alpha to play in windowed mode? I've been unable to get it to run on my ATI card.. always defaults to the Intel card. Playing in windowed or windowed borderless fixes the issue with other games.

There is no way to run the Alpha in windowed mode.  The performance hit would make the game unplayable, for all but the highest end video cards and CPU's.

Why not just disable the Intel GPU?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: ROC on July 30, 2015, 04:36:16 PM
I'm a bit put off by mandatory updates.
Most of my equipment is in an office environment, and once I get things working they need to stay working.  I update when I have the time to make sure all systems that are impacted can be checked and fixed.
I don't believe that option is there for Win10, it will not be in my computers at work, nor at home.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: TOMCAT21 on July 30, 2015, 06:25:25 PM
So far I am liking Windows 10.. It's a lot better than Windows 8. I think.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: bustr on July 30, 2015, 06:54:56 PM
One of the players in the alpha is getting horrible FPS with a good GDDR5 high band width video card due to being on Win10.

Some one else can dig out that discussion, or it might be in the closed alpha forum posts. Was interesting reading the reasoning behind the low FPS being the video drivers shipped with 10 are older and not very many drivers of any kind available yet for 10.

Sounds like a Caveat Emptor response to Win10 is due here.

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mano on July 30, 2015, 07:33:11 PM
I have always waited for the 1st service pack before upgrading.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dichotomy on July 30, 2015, 08:32:10 PM
In the history of Microsoft, they have never had an operating system update, which did not have the ability to make a mess of a computer.

Just saying.

I only bothered to read this to see what you said oh guru of all that is windows.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Easyscor on July 30, 2015, 10:39:04 PM
I would love to replace Win 8.1 on my new 2in1 but not if I can't choose to reject MS update items. I hid maybe a quarter of the 8.1 updates and still hide Win 7 update items occasionally so no thanks to 10 right now.
I'll wait until I can review and reject MS drivers and snooping updates or not upgrade until forced to do so.

I clicked the 'Reserve my Copy of Windows 10' button, or whatever it said. I normally keep the Win 8 machine offline.

Does anyone know if that action will force an upgrade the next time I log the machine onto the web?

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: BoilerDown on July 31, 2015, 12:00:31 AM
Until a game I want to play starts showing improved performance or requires DirectX 12, I don't see a huge need to update.  I'll make a decision before the year anniversary for sure, on whether to get the free update or stick with 7 for a long time.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: eagl on July 31, 2015, 12:11:13 AM
Win10 is still glitchy.  In fact it feels a bit like a Linux distro in that manner.  For example, the backup and recovery utility in control panel is lifted straight from windows 7, and is even labeled "backup and recovery windows 7".  And it doesn't work entirely right.  For example, I could easily make a backup image onto a secondary hard drive in my computer, however making that same backup image to a network location aborted with an error about "incompatible file type".

So yea, its nice and has some nice features but it feels unfinished.  I've had some other weird glitches like the 12GB it downloaded from my old WHS computer, the logfile it slammed with hundreds of error entries every second (how ya like *THAT*, SSD memory cells!), and some other strange indexing and windows defender settings that don't seem obvious how they work.  But overall its workable and the upgrade installation was seamless on a lightly used win7 machine and a lightly used win8.1 convertible tablet/laptop (acer transformer with keyboard).

I still don't trust it enough to upgrade my main computer though.  Too much legacy software that I don't trust to work with win10 is my biggest concern.

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bizman on July 31, 2015, 01:46:55 AM
Knowing that Windows 7 will be supported to January 14, 2020, I see no need to rush. By then we might be testing AH4 Alpha and wondering about the hardware requirements for it.

The free upgrade sounds tempting, though... But not on this workhorse.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Skuzzy on July 31, 2015, 06:51:27 AM
I am just seeing too many things I do not care for and wonder how many other things will be discovered before it is all said and done.

Where applicable, you guys with a Wifi network will want to read this.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/209208-windows-10s-new-wifi-sense-shares-your-wifi-password-with-facebook-outlook-and-skype-contacts

Did you know Windows 10 uses P2P to share updates with other computers?  Might want to shut that down. http://fossbytes.com/windows-10-steals-your-internet-bandwidth-to-send-updates-to-others-disable-it-here/

Windows 7 is supported until 2020.  Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dragon Tamer on July 31, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
I would love to replace Win 8.1 on my new 2in1 but not if I can't choose to reject MS update items. I hid maybe a quarter of the 8.1 updates and still hide Win 7 update items occasionally so no thanks to 10 right now.
I'll wait until I can review and reject MS drivers and snooping updates or not upgrade until forced to do so.

I clicked the 'Reserve my Copy of Windows 10' button, or whatever it said. I normally keep the Win 8 machine offline.

Does anyone know if that action will force an upgrade the next time I log the machine onto the web?

No, it should prompt you to install it each time you log on. You should still have the option to reject the instillation if you want.

At least, that's what MS was telling their customers.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Delirium on July 31, 2015, 01:13:59 PM
I'd like to install Win10 on one of my systems to learn it inside and out, but I don't want it anywhere near any of my workhorse machines.

edit: what is the recommended requirements for a Win10 install?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bizman on July 31, 2015, 01:28:25 PM
edit: what is the recommended requirements for a Win10 install?
According to http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications#sysreqs (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications#sysreqs)

Quote
Processor:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster processor or SoC

RAM:

1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit

Hard disk space:
16 GB for 32-bit OS 20 GB for 64-bit OS

Graphics card:
DirectX 9 or later with WDDM 1.0 driver

Display:
800x600

When was the last time anyone would have been happy with a computer like that?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Ratsy on July 31, 2015, 01:41:17 PM
I gave it a go yesterday in a fit of false bravado.

The installation failed three times with an unhandled exception error at second boot...the place where it attempts to integrate drivers.

I then started looking up my components in the compatibility list (why not before trying the install?) and discovered that my modest little ASUS motherboard is not on the list.  SCREEEEEEEEECH!

I recovered my previous Windows 7-64bit installation and all is back to happy.

I won't be upgrading the OS on this rig ever.  By the time I'm ready for a new base (mobo, proc, memory) all the driver wrinkles should be worked out for my peripheral drivers.

DirectX 12 was the temptation.  But I don't want any agony cycles trying to get it. (sissy)

 :salute
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Delirium on July 31, 2015, 01:42:14 PM
I already knew what Microsoft was are recommending for Win10 operation. Unfortunately, I doubt that a system like that would do much of anything else besides run the OS.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Skuzzy on July 31, 2015, 01:45:51 PM
I already knew what Microsoft was are recommending for Win10 operation. Unfortunately, I doubt that a system like that would do much of anything else besides run the OS.

The system they describe would never run Windows 10 as there would not be any drivers for it.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dragon Tamer on July 31, 2015, 01:56:59 PM
I already knew what Microsoft was are recommending for Win10 operation. Unfortunately, I doubt that a system like that would do much of anything else besides run the OS.

I've got a computer very near those specs just lying around. It's running windows 10 without any problem.

Sure, I can't play very many games on it, but I can browse the web with it (as long as you aren't using IE because it's slower than tar) I can stream video up to 1080p and I can watch DVDs.

As per a suggestion from Gman (I think he was the one who suggested it, I'll go back and check), I'm using the system as an HTPC in the living room. I've got a wireless network card coming because I don't feel like running another cable for it. I'm also looking for a decent case to put the guts in (the current one is too big and ugly to fit into the cabinet). At some point in the future I plan to buy a new drive that is bluray compatible. I was also considering using it to rip DVDs to since the hard drive will have so little on it, but I don't think 600GB is enough to hold the library. Running windows 10 in tablet mode on this system is probably one of the best things ever since my old man knows almost nothing about computers. It offers nice big buttons that are easy to click on and easy to memorize for someone who's most involved use of a computer involves scrolling up and down a web page (that's not an exaggeration either, that's literally all he can do).

Back on point, Windows 10 was meant to also go on tables, cell phones and xbox ones; hence the low system requirements.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Saxman on July 31, 2015, 05:19:41 PM
I've only had two problems with Windows 10 so far:

1) nVidia's drivers wouldn't auto-update, and I had to manually kill the processes and delete the program folders in order to download and run the installer.
2) My screensaver won't turn on anymore.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: cpxxx on July 31, 2015, 05:27:42 PM
Having finally updated to windows 10.  My Main gripe is that I lost all my favourites. Unless I missed something. Surely we can retain them all?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Saxman on July 31, 2015, 06:48:30 PM
Having finally updated to windows 10.  My Main gripe is that I lost all my favourites. Unless I missed something. Surely we can retain them all?

Only thing I noticed I lost was the stuff I had pinned to my Star Menu.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: eagl on July 31, 2015, 08:53:11 PM
I've got a refurbished asus transformer tablet with a multi-core atom cpu and 2gb ram, and win10 is pretty snappy on it.  The OS itself is very responsive and apps launch reasonably quickly.  The only things I wait for are things that are both drive and cpu intensive, so those things take a while to get done.  But overall most apps, web browser, email, etc. work just fine as long as I'm not stupid and have a lot of big apps running in the background.

I think the cpu turbo is maybe 1.6ghz, and most of the time its idling around 600mhz or spurting up to 1.3ghz for a bit then throttling back down.  Windows 8.1 was super frustrating with the thing but win10 feels responsive enough that the tablet/laptop could have reasonably shipped with windows 10 and it would have felt like it was supposed to be that way.  A bigger SSD would be nice but with win8 taking up half the 64GB SSD (user files migrated to an SD card), it still had 25GB free on the SSD after the win10 upgrade.  So a win8 to win10 upgrade within the restrictions of a 64GB SSD actually worked quite well.

I think overall win10 will probably get at least the same long-term appreciation as winXP and win7.  The upgrade installations were pretty painless.  The asus transformer touchpad had to have its driver deleted and re-installed before it would work, probably because I had another wireless USB mouse connected and the drivers both wanted the same hardware resources.  Deleting the ASUS trackpad driver and letting the OS detect and automatically re-install the driver worked fine.

And of course my thread in the hardware/software forum about one of my win10 computers trying to destroy my windows home server computer by indexing the entire archive and trying to mount all the shares (or something equally stupid like that)...  But after I fiddled with some indexing and windows defender settings, the WHS computer quit thrashing and it seems all ok now.

Overall as a release I'm giving it an 8 out of 10...  Minus a point for trying to destroy my WHS computer, minus half a point for having to reinstall a touchpad driver (2 installed mouse devices shouldn't be a surprise to the OS), and minus half a point for it feeling like a Linux distro update with some features from previous versions still used.  At least they had the sense to label re-used and partially broken features correctly, like "backup/restore windows 7" in the control panel.

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: eagl on July 31, 2015, 09:02:54 PM
Oh yea, regarding the wifi sense...  Most people I've talked to who have actually installed win10 and done specific exploration into it, have found wifi sense to be DISABLED by default.  To make it work, you have to turn on about 3 or 4 options, in order to use your computer to share your wifi credentials (a hash, not the actual password) with your contacts.

For anyone you give your password to in order to connect to your wifi to share your credentials with or without your approval, they have to have the same few options turned on (off by default), and then they have to check a box when they enter in the login passkey. 

The main kludge for wifi sense is that for you to opt your wifi out completely, you have to add something like "_noshare" to your SSID.  That's a total kludge, but doing that will supposedly automatically filter out sharing attempts (with a delay of up to a day or two due to opt-out list propagation across MS servers). 

Regarding sharing updates P2P, that's irritatingly enabled by default but you have 2 alternative options.  You can disable P2P sharing of updates entirely, or you can enable it only within your own subnet/LAN/domain.  That has the potential to save a bunch of bandwidth if you have a bunch of computers on your LAN, by disabling global sharing but leaving P2P update sharing enabled for your LAN.  Yea I think a lot of people would have preferred that to be disabled by default and users given the option to "enable faster updates by sharing updates with computers near you" or some equally benign wording, but I think MS really wanted to speed the adoption of win10 in the first few weeks and the P2P defaulting to ON was probably part of the plan, I'm guessing.



Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on July 31, 2015, 11:01:46 PM
Did a clean upgrade from W7. Liking it so far. Seems like what W8 should have been from the start. The only thing I'm worried about is the forced automatic updates as it includes drivers. That could get messy, but I'm hoping it is intelligent enough to not overwrite custom/OEM drivers. I turned off all the wifi sharing and MS report back stuff (that it allows me to turn off). Not that I would be very worried about it. I just don't have a use for it so it's just an unnecessary security risk for no benefit. For people who use W10 mobile devices and travel a lot I can see how it would be a great feature. No more asking friends or restaurants for their wifi password when you visit if they're sharing it with their contacts.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Karnak on August 01, 2015, 12:01:43 AM
DirectX 12 is the thing that is going to push anybody who games to Win10.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 01, 2015, 12:05:28 AM
Quite right. The only real reason I wanted to upgrade from 7.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: bq82 on August 01, 2015, 12:16:09 AM
I'm at 100% and recommended resolution of 1920 x 1200. The launcher works, but the game crashes when I open either an online arena or offline practice.  As a side note, I can run the Alpha for the new version of the game.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: bq82 on August 01, 2015, 01:01:08 AM
Maxed out anti-aliasing. All is good now.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Serenity on August 01, 2015, 10:28:36 AM
So I "reserved my copy" way back when, but haven't gotten the option to actually download this thing. How are you all downloading Win10?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 01, 2015, 10:58:11 AM
You can manually download W10 and upgrade.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: craz07 on August 01, 2015, 11:02:15 AM
I'm still using Vista and getting warnings on youtube to upgrade explorer which I cant because Vista only supports up to explorer 9.. I'm going to be the lone hold out like the xp'ers of yesterday and demand they support it cuz I cannot afford an upgrade
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Meatwad on August 01, 2015, 11:09:59 AM
I'm still using Vista and getting warnings on youtube to upgrade explorer which I cant because Vista only supports up to explorer 9.. I'm going to be the lone hold out like the xp'ers of yesterday and demand they support it cuz I cannot afford an upgrade

Google chrome and xp works great
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: craz07 on August 01, 2015, 11:12:05 AM
i have no clue with chrome and i know xp is no longer supported, does explorer 10 function on xp?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 01, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
i have no clue with chrome...

Seriously, it's not rocket science.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: craz07 on August 01, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
Do you use it?  I've been a windows guy so long, i'm afraid
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 01, 2015, 11:42:48 AM
Chrome is a web browser. Works fine with Vista. Personally I prefer Firefox. Both are safer than IE.

https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Saxman on August 01, 2015, 12:49:40 PM
Go with Firefox. Chrome is an intrusive menace that takes over everything, has a number of severe security flaws, never stops running even when it's closed, oh and it treats EVERY TAB like a separate instance of the program (and the DON'T CLOSE in Task Manager even if you close the tab).
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: EagleDNY on August 01, 2015, 01:30:25 PM
In the history of Microsoft, they have never had an operating system update, which did not have the ability to make a mess of a computer.

Just saying.

Never, ever do a Microsoft OS upgrade until they put out at least one Service Pack.   A lesson learned from 25 years in the IT business folks.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 01, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
There will be no service packs for W10. They're also dropping Patch Tuesday. W10 will be continuously updated as updates become available.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Skuzzy on August 01, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
There will be no service packs for W10. They're also dropping Patch Tuesday. W10 will be continuously updated as updates become available.

Due to Microsoft shifting to a "service" business.  I'll wait a year to see how they end up defining "service" as they have been too tight lipped about it for my taste.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 01, 2015, 04:29:18 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/20/technology/windows-10-signifies-microsofts-shift-in-strategy.html?_r=0

They've (finally) given up on trying to stop the inevitable.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Skuzzy on August 01, 2015, 04:51:45 PM
A pretty superfluous article, with a lot of speculation, based on the tidbits Microsoft has been leaking, but far from a definitive announcement from Microsoft on how they are going to define "service" as it relates to the operating system.

I am not a bleeding edge consumer.  I am happy to wait.  All my applications still work well.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Meatwad on August 01, 2015, 04:59:09 PM
As of right now I have absolutely no reason to upgrade windows from XP Pro on this computer. I refuse to fork out hundreds of dollars for Win7, so as long as I can still find drivers for upgrades here and there I will still use XP. If the HDD dies like it did early this year. just reinstall XP and keep going. Heard too may horror stories about product activation on legit purchased retail versions after a major hardware overhaul to even consider it
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: eagl on August 01, 2015, 07:14:33 PM
If Microsoft shifts to a subscription fee for the OS, I'll just migrate my whole household over to Linux, or use my old win7 licenses.  I still have a couple of completely unused win7 OEM licenses that should remain good.  Hedging my bets.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 01, 2015, 07:45:18 PM
MS is following Apple and Google in offering a free OS. Well, free upgrade anyway. W10 will in all likelihood be the last Windows that is not completely free. MS will make money on their app store, enterprise services and cloud services like Azure.

Using XP today is like using a horse for transportation in the age of the Tesla. Sure, it will get you where you're going, and if that's the only thing you want then XP is ok, but it won't get you there fast, and not in style.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: eagl on August 01, 2015, 09:52:38 PM
Not sure I care about style with my computer.  I want it to work.  Win8 failed because they put style over function and it was miserable to work with.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 03, 2015, 11:30:27 PM
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/11428717_1103451653015444_7219640207164697140_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mar on August 04, 2015, 11:34:13 AM
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/11428717_1103451653015444_7219640207164697140_n.jpg)

 :rofl
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: craz07 on August 04, 2015, 11:49:11 AM
bill gates is a millionaire he is doing something right  :banana:
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Masherbrum on August 04, 2015, 01:41:18 PM
Knowing that Windows 7 will be supported to January 14, 2020, I see no need to rush. By then we might be testing AH4 Alpha and wondering about the hardware requirements for it.

The free upgrade sounds tempting, though... But not on this workhorse.

My thoughts exactly. 
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Delirium on August 04, 2015, 03:16:09 PM
Doing more research, I won't be touching Win10 for a least 6 months. Heck, there aren't any drivers available for my soundcard or my joystick yet.



Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: zack1234 on August 04, 2015, 03:52:55 PM
bill gates is a millionaire he is doing something right  :banana:

so is elton johns wig :old:
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: icepac on August 04, 2015, 06:55:50 PM
I always wait for the "second version" or even until the next version of windows comes out before tossing my 2 versions old windows setups.

So with windows......I waited until 3.11 for workgroups and then on to windows 95osr2 and then on to Win98SE and then on to windows XP media center edition 2005.

Sure, at work I had all the first versions and used them but at home, I prefer stability.

I always skip over the initial offering and wait until a second version has been created
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 04, 2015, 06:59:13 PM
W10 is the "second version" of W8. It's what W8 should have been.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: 68Raptor on August 05, 2015, 08:25:35 PM
Just did my upgrade.. so far every thing is 99.9%.. Ventrilo had a minor issue with the optional hardware input mixer. I turned it off and no problems. All sounds in everything I use are great.


I was prepared for something bad so I had nothing planned but this for tonight. I kicked the upgrade off before I went to work this morning. Spent about an hour checking everything just to be safe. so far no problems.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: eagl on August 05, 2015, 09:50:50 PM
One problem I just had with my laptop is that when iTunes ran, it had changed all the paths to my music library to some strange "localhost/e:..." path so the entire library was unlinked, so I lost all my playlists, song ratings, etc.  I think MS did it on purpose because just to get something playing I clicked directly on a music file and of course that took me to the MS player which of course defaulted to a screen that offered easy setup for their music services and stores.

I'm sure I could have come up with a utility to find/replace all the bad file paths with the correct path since Microsoft didn't change the default location of the music library, but I was in a hurry. One thing I did find out that is totally stupid is that apple has removed the option to add an entire folder to the music library.  You get to add files one at a time, or put them in your library and then click a fairly scary "SCAN FOR MEDIA" button, which may or may not search outside the folder set as the location for the media library.

So, complete fails for both apple iTunes and the windows 10 upgrade in this regard.  ITunes lost some critical functionality and for some bizzare reason changed the music file location for my music library to a drive that doesn't even exist, and something in the windows 10 upgrade process triggered this idiotic behavior of iTunes.  And of course Apple had to remove the ability to add random individual but complete folders to the library, forcing instead you to place any music inside a specific media library and then making you push a button to re-search and re-index the whole damn library just to add one new album.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mar on August 06, 2015, 01:55:58 PM
One problem I just had with my laptop is that when iTunes ran.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Xtrepid on August 06, 2015, 06:24:53 PM
So far I am liking Windows 10.. It's a lot better than Windows 8. I think.

There you go thinking again...  :cheers:

Better on a touch screen... IMO.

X  :salute
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: subversive on August 09, 2015, 08:54:10 AM
All update options are present in win 10, in settings rather than control panel


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Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Skuzzy on August 10, 2015, 09:39:50 AM
I think this might a useful link for those of you who have opted into Windows 10.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: craz07 on August 10, 2015, 10:06:22 AM
Windows vista works well with the new graphics, i haven't been in any large furballs so I can't say for sure, even the old game worked moderately with vista
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bizman on August 10, 2015, 10:36:43 AM
I think this might a useful link for those of you who have opted into Windows 10.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx

Some weeks ago I got an e-mail from Microsoft, suggesting I should read their Services Agreement (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/). It was about Skype which they recently bought. The mail told, that it would be an easy-read thing which it looks like at first glance. Expanded it would take 28 pages if printed... Plus on the first line they suggested to read a couple of similar statements, namely the mentioned Privacy Statement (32 pages), the Health Privacy Statement (http://www.microsoft.com/privacystatement/en-us/microsofthealth/default.aspx?PrintView=true) (8 pages) and the Health Vault privacy policy (https://account.healthvault.com/help.aspx?topicid=privacypolicy) page including 46 links to changes made after October 2007. I caught a glimpse and folded me a tin foil stetson hat.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: ROC on August 10, 2015, 12:06:30 PM
hehe over the weekend, some poor bloke got busted after his window 10 update.
Seems that the default setting grabs your picture folder and this is your screen saver, rotating pictures....of his porn stash. Wifee not happeee
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Saxman on August 10, 2015, 01:48:14 PM
hehe over the weekend, some poor bloke got busted after his window 10 update.
Seems that the default setting grabs your picture folder and this is your screen saver, rotating pictures....of his porn stash. Wifee not happeee

That'd be a step up for me; I can't get ANY screen saver to run consistently. I think mine's kicked in once or twice.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 10, 2015, 08:30:46 PM
Why do people even use screen savers anymore?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 10, 2015, 08:41:47 PM
hehe over the weekend, some poor bloke got busted after his window 10 update.
Seems that the default setting grabs your picture folder and this is your screen saver, rotating pictures....of his porn stash. Wifee not happeee

 :rofl
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dragon Tamer on August 10, 2015, 09:25:15 PM
hehe over the weekend, some poor bloke got busted after his window 10 update.
Seems that the default setting grabs your picture folder and this is your screen saver, rotating pictures....of his porn stash. Wifee not happeee

This is why I keep my porn on two 32GB flash drives... I don't have a problem, I can stop whenever I want!  :uhoh
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 10, 2015, 11:54:01 PM
(http://imghumour.com/assets/Uploads/Must-save-porn.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: OSS on August 11, 2015, 04:22:47 PM
Just downloaded Windows 10 and now I've got serious FPS issues I never had before. Still trying to work through that issue.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: -aper- on August 11, 2015, 09:48:08 PM
The only thing I'm worried about is the forced automatic updates as it includes drivers. That could get messy, but I'm hoping it is intelligent enough to not overwrite custom/OEM drivers.

Could you check is it possible to go to ControlPanel -> Administrative Tools -> Component Services ->Services, find Windows Update service then stop it and in its properties disable it from automatic load on startup ? This may stop this M$ annoyance with forced updates.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 12, 2015, 01:04:16 AM
Could you check is it possible to go to ControlPanel -> Administrative Tools -> Component Services ->Services, find Windows Update service then stop it and in its properties disable it from automatic load on startup ? This may stop this M$ annoyance with forced updates.

Yes that would work, but it isn't a complete solution. You'd still want updates, but the problem is that you don't get to choose which updates to install. If you stop the update service at least it won't update in the middle of a gaming session or interrupt important work, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 12, 2015, 09:49:00 AM
Found a little app that disables the annoying, constantly active Defender. I use Malwarebytes instead.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Saxman on August 16, 2015, 12:19:01 PM
Well, I've rudely discovered a new danger of Windows 10:

Rather than using license keys, Windows activation is instead tied to the hardware ID of your motherboard. Which means if you're in the habit of periodically upgrading your stuff, replacing the main board will BLOCK YOUR LICENSE KEY and deactivate Windows.

The best part is: MICROSOFT APPARENTLY HAS NO PROCESS IN PLACE TO FIX THE ACTIVATION FOR UPGRADE USERS.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 16, 2015, 12:38:49 PM
If you change the motherboard it's s new computer in Microsoft's view, and thus you'll need a new windows license.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: bozon on August 16, 2015, 12:57:47 PM
If you change the motherboard it's s new computer in Microsoft's view, and thus you'll need a new windows license.
Make AH work on Linux so I can finally ditch windows!
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Saxman on August 16, 2015, 01:35:42 PM
If you change the motherboard it's s new computer in Microsoft's view, and thus you'll need a new windows license.

I changed my board out TWICE under Windows 7 and it was never a problem. This is NOT a valid excuse; it may be fine for casual users who are content with off the shelf Wal-Mart specials, but this is absolutely CRIPPLING for enthusiasts who build their own systems and may be constantly upgrading and modifying their rigs.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 16, 2015, 02:08:35 PM
I agree; Microsoft is screwing the enthusiast market. However, the off-the-shelf market is so dominating that MS couldn't care less that a few enthusiasts are left out. Windows is now a part of the "device" you buy and not a separate piece of software that you can transfer to another device.

That said Microsoft is moving towards a free OS business model, so W10 is likely the last Windows OS you'll have to pay for.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Meatwad on August 16, 2015, 04:28:11 PM
I agree; Microsoft is screwing the enthusiast market. However, the off-the-shelf market is so dominating that MS couldn't care less that a few enthusiasts are left out. Windows is now a part of the "device" you buy and not a separate piece of software that you can transfer to another device.

That said Microsoft is moving towards a free OS business model, so W10 is likely the last Windows OS you'll have to pay for.

Unless they make W10 like some versions of their office software and you have to pay a yearly fee to keep your product key active, and once it expires you will have a dead PC until you pay the MS ransom
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: craz07 on August 16, 2015, 04:30:00 PM
I agree  :old:
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 16, 2015, 05:33:59 PM
Unless they make W10 like some versions of their office software and you have to pay a yearly fee to keep your product key active, and once it expires you will have a dead PC until you pay the MS ransom

Apple and Google are offering their OS' for free, and that's the only reason MS is moving (ever so slowly) towards a free OS business model. A subscription fee would kill them.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Easyscor on August 16, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
Can anyone tell me...

Friday I read that MS Office breaks on Windows 10.
Specifically, I use Office 2003, Excel and Word. I have 2007 on the shelf behind me and I tried 05 (I think it was.) They are both trash. My brother told me 2010 was more of the same so no way will I use Office 365 or whatever it's called. So until I see Office 2003 running on it, 10 is a non-starter here.

So again, my question; is anyone here running Office 2003 on Windows 10?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: USRanger on August 16, 2015, 09:49:36 PM
Windows 10 can disable pirated games and "unauthorized hardware"

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: SysError on August 16, 2015, 10:12:54 PM
Make AH work on Linux so I can finally ditch windows!
   :aok :aok :aok :aok

YES!!!!
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dragon Tamer on August 16, 2015, 10:14:21 PM
Windows 10 can disable pirated games and "unauthorized hardware"

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx

That would explain why the copy of photoshop that my brother got off of pirate bay didn't work!  :rofl

Guess I don't need to block PB through the router after all.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Meatwad on August 16, 2015, 10:41:54 PM
Whats their definition of unauthorized hardware. Like a usb controlled pie oven? Zack is hosed, no more pies created by a click of the mouse
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Saxman on August 16, 2015, 11:13:59 PM
Whats their definition of unauthorized hardware. Like a usb controlled pie oven? Zack is hosed, no more pies created by a click of the mouse

Damn, I was going to get that USB Foreman Grill.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 17, 2015, 02:56:07 AM
Windows 10 can disable pirated games and "unauthorized hardware"

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/407894,microsoft-can-disable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware.aspx

They're just covering their corporate arse to prevent litigation. They've had crap like that in the eula since Vista and they never did anything about it. If you use illegal software on their OS they can potentially be sued. And it doesn't include Windows 10 itself, only the service agreement. I.e. where Microsoft can be construed as an accomplice. The linked agreement (and hence the scary clause 7b) has got nothing to do with Windows 10. It lists the products it relates to at the end. Stuff like Xbox Live, Skype, OneDrive. Notice the lack of Windows 10, Windows Phone, Windows Update. The article is poorly researched clickbait. Relax, your pron collection is safe... For now.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Skuzzy on August 17, 2015, 06:49:50 AM
Apple and Google are offering their OS' for free, and that's the only reason MS is moving (ever so slowly) towards a free OS business model. A subscription fee would kill them.

That is pure speculation.  Microsoft has said they are moving the operating system to a "service" business.  They have not stated what that means, yet.  A subscription fee is not out of the question, nor are fees for updates, but if they go that route, expect the core operating system source code to be released at around the same time.

The public reasons they gave for offering Windows 10 free has to do with getting more people to develop applications for the operating system and it is the first operating system they will be able to run across all platforms from PC/table to XBox to phone.  They want that operating system to be the only operating system they have to support.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: 100Coogn on August 17, 2015, 07:44:53 AM
Microsoft Can't Disable Pirated Games On Windows 10. (http://www.gamnesia.com/news/it-turns-out-microsoft-cant-disable-pirated-games-on-windows-10)

Coogan
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 17, 2015, 07:48:01 AM
That is pure speculation.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: SysError on August 17, 2015, 08:01:59 AM
Microsoft Can't Disable Pirated Games On Windows 10. (http://www.gamnesia.com/news/it-turns-out-microsoft-cant-disable-pirated-games-on-windows-10)

Coogan

 :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O

So they claim.....

 :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Shuffler on August 19, 2015, 07:28:08 PM
Do not do an express install. If you do then you lose control of security. Wifi-Sense will default on. That allows everyone on your contacts, Skype, and facebook to connect to your wifi if they are within range. They will have your PW already encrypted on their machine.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: guncrasher on August 19, 2015, 08:35:49 PM
Make AH work on Linux so I can finally ditch windows!

think it's the other way around.  make linux work on ah.


semp
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: gpwurzel on August 19, 2015, 09:05:16 PM
You can already make AH work on Linux, what bozon meant is port it over to run "natively" in whatever flavor of unix you want (rather than having to use wine and other updates to enable it to run).