Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on October 26, 2020, 11:21:05 PM
Not in the next 20 years.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on October 27, 2020, 01:03:54 AM
That's only because it takes 20 years to replace a generation of vehicles. But the traditional ICE truck makers and their suppliers will be asking for government handouts in 5 years, not 20, thanks to no one wanting to buy a diesel truck any more.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Meatwad on October 27, 2020, 06:39:24 AM
Tesla must of upgraded their graphic software. it actually has smooth lines instead of Atari era polygons
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Maverick on October 27, 2020, 10:43:19 AM
A couple points. A 500 mile range per charge just isn't going to cut it for over the road operators. It certainly is viable for short haul or urban deliver trucks IF they can provide a load vs weight balance that allows them to operate on the city streets economically. Secondly due to the idiot in charge of the PDRK (peepuls demokratik repugnant of kaliphornya) who shut down both nuke and fossil fuel power generating plants there is insufficient electrical grid to power the current load. The rotating blackouts were proof of that recently. It is estimated that to power an all electrical vehicle state with just a small car like the chevy volt it would take double the previous grid (pre anti nuke and fossil fuel plants) level of power to charge them.
In addition they neglected to talk about the issue of either recycling the batteries or disposal including the tremendous amount of hazardous waste.
I am far from a luddite but I do not see the electrical vehicle tech capable of taking over from ICE any time soon.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: guncrasher on October 27, 2020, 11:21:37 AM
damn that's disconcerting. nuclear and fossils fuels are shutdown. better call the plants since they seem to be operating.
right now we have winds at only 40mph, yesterday they were at 98, 3 fires started yesterday due to power lines and wind don't mix. northern part of my city had no electricity yesterday due to the wind. i literally cannot get out of my apartment due to downed power lines.
did you know that 98 mph is a cat 2 hurricane without the water? there's trucks overturned all over the place. think they were 22 within 6 miles of my house.
but whatever.
semp
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on October 27, 2020, 11:38:58 AM
We have high winds here from time to time but no fires. Probably different regulations by the powers that be.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on October 27, 2020, 11:56:39 AM
So the solar panels are pulled behind on the 5th wheel trailer?
Eagler
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: guncrasher on October 27, 2020, 11:59:12 AM
we have high winds for days at a time. people keep building and buying houses disregarding history of winds.
that's what happened to one of my friends, she bought a beautiful house in a place were winds are a problem. thousands of houses built and not a single generator. has nothing to do with regulations, just a bad place to build houses.
semp
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Vulcan on October 27, 2020, 02:03:17 PM
A couple points. A 500 mile range per charge just isn't going to cut it for over the road operators. It certainly is viable for short haul or urban deliver trucks IF they can provide a load vs weight balance that allows them to operate on the city streets economically.
It's worse than that. The specs state 400 miles on a 30 minute (80%) recharge, it's weird as they seem to avoid stating full recharge time. Oh and that's on a Tesla megacharger. There's no info on whether that 400 miles includes capacity for aircon, lights etc. So you'd really need one of these megachargers every 300 miles or so. And if you replaced half your fleet with these trucks you'd need a lot of megachargers.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Rondar on October 27, 2020, 02:17:47 PM
Probably like the old timers who thought their trusted corn cobs would never be replaced by the newfangled Charmin.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Ramesis on October 27, 2020, 02:37:05 PM
Probably like the old timers who thought their trusted corn cobs would never be replaced by the newfangled Charmin.
:rofl
But how is the electricity going to generated recharge the batts... wind power will not be sufficient... if fusion ever becomes viable... then, imho, it is possible :salute
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 27, 2020, 04:06:12 PM
I'm not sure how filling up acres of land with solar and wind turbines are "good for the environment" but I digress. Talk about UGLY. Wind turbines completely destroyed the view of the Maui hills I had. It was ridiculous. At least smoke breaks down and wind currents push it away.
Somehow these people don't understand that mining for cobalt in Africa isn't exactly "top of the line" "work".
As Maverick stated, recycling and throwing away corroded batteries can be very dangerous and pollute far worse.
I think the Truck looks cool. Other than that, I am not really on the electric car bandwagon. I swear to God, if they force dealerships to not sell gas cars anymore, they are gonna have hell to pay. Of course it will be the dealerships going out of business and not the policy makers.
You'd think they would study the actual Tesla energy model of electricity but the powers that be wouldn't actually want a utility that was publicly free.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Vulcan on October 27, 2020, 04:12:57 PM
I think the Truck looks cool. Other than that, I am not really on the electric car bandwagon.
I would love to go all electric. But I don't think the tech or its supporting infrastructure is anywhere close to mature enough yet.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: scott66 on October 27, 2020, 05:02:11 PM
Well until they figure it all out I'll just keep my 7mpg peterbilt... She's paid for... Not the wife.. still making payments on her..(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/w653/scottyd66/FB_IMG_1574221367407.jpg) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/scottyd66/a/cf12efb5-5d50-403a-83ff-200a01d38974/p/b5a61f0b-90e2-4fa1-b901-7d79421d1e73)
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on October 27, 2020, 05:12:21 PM
Good pic Scotty ! I thought you have a red truck, but blue looks good too :D
:salute
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on October 27, 2020, 10:16:54 PM
Well until they figure it all out I'll just keep my 7mpg peterbilt... She's paid for... Not the wife.. still making payments on her..(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/w653/scottyd66/FB_IMG_1574221367407.jpg) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/scottyd66/a/cf12efb5-5d50-403a-83ff-200a01d38974/p/b5a61f0b-90e2-4fa1-b901-7d79421d1e73)
Do you have the sign on your sleeper.... "Sleeps one wide, two deep"?
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: scott66 on October 27, 2020, 10:32:21 PM
A couple points. A 500 mile range per charge just isn't going to cut it for over the road operators. It certainly is viable for short haul or urban deliver trucks IF they can provide a load vs weight balance that allows them to operate on the city streets economically. Secondly due to the idiot in charge of the PDRK (peepuls demokratik repugnant of kaliphornya) who shut down both nuke and fossil fuel power generating plants there is insufficient electrical grid to power the current load. The rotating blackouts were proof of that recently. It is estimated that to power an all electrical vehicle state with just a small car like the chevy volt it would take double the previous grid (pre anti nuke and fossil fuel plants) level of power to charge them.
In addition they neglected to talk about the issue of either recycling the batteries or disposal including the tremendous amount of hazardous waste.
I am far from a luddite but I do not see the electrical vehicle tech capable of taking over from ICE any time soon.
500 miles is more than enough, the furthest you can drive in a day feasibly is 600-650 miles. at some point you have to take a break, and within that break time the megachargers should be able to top you off before you finish off for the day.
they fit in perfectly with the safety regulations.
recyling these type of batteries is a solved problem.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Maverick on November 11, 2020, 10:32:29 AM
500 miles is more than enough, the furthest you can drive in a day feasibly is 600-650 miles. at some point you have to take a break, and within that break time the megachargers should be able to top you off before you finish off for the day.
they fit in perfectly with the safety regulations.
recyling these type of batteries is a solved problem.
2 words, co driver or tandem team.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on November 11, 2020, 11:00:30 AM
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mister Fork on November 12, 2020, 10:18:45 AM
A lot of claims made in this video about lowering emissions and other wild claims. Yet, no mention that a lot of electricity in North America still comes from coal or natural gas generators. And the amount of rare earth minerals required to make a Tesla semi - none of it is recyclable. When the truck is done, it goes into a landfill. While other diesel trucks - almost all of it gets recycled.
Just saying.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on November 12, 2020, 12:14:30 PM
A lot of claims made in this video about lowering emissions and other wild claims. Yet, no mention that a lot of electricity in North America still comes from coal or natural gas generators. And the amount of rare earth minerals required to make a Tesla semi - none of it is recyclable. When the truck is done, it goes into a landfill. While other diesel trucks - almost all of it gets recycled.
Nearly your entire post is full of toejam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotw).
Your electric energy supply is only going to get greener over time, your diesel engine is dirty for life.
The only component that might use a small amount of rare earths in the Tesla Semi is the motors, if they use permanent magnets. Tesla has also used induction motors which don't have magnets, and I haven't heard which they'll use in the Semi yet. And no reasonable person has expressed environmental concerns over the rare earths in the existing Tesla motors to date.
The batteries are going to be fully recyclable. See Tesla's most recent Battery Day presentation. And the batteries don't have rare earth elements in them.
There's no reason at all to think that a Tesla Semi will go in a landfill at the end of its life, and plenty of evidence, based on the salvage value of existing Tesla vehicles, to think the exact opposite.
About the only thing you got right was point out that existing energy often comes from dirty sources. But even the dirtiest coal plant in America is cleaner than the cleanest semi-truck-sized diesel engine.
Nearly your entire post is full of toejam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotw).
Your electric energy supply is only going to get greener over time, your diesel engine is dirty for life.
The only component that might use a small amount of rare earths in the Tesla Semi is the motors, if they use permanent magnets. Tesla has also used induction motors which don't have magnets, and I haven't heard which they'll use in the Semi yet. And no reasonable person has expressed environmental concerns over the rare earths in the existing Tesla motors to date.
The batteries are going to be fully recyclable. See Tesla's most recent Battery Day presentation. And the batteries don't have rare earth elements in them.
There's no reason at all to think that a Tesla Semi will go in a landfill at the end of its life, and plenty of evidence, based on the salvage value of existing Tesla vehicles, to think the exact opposite.
About the only thing you got right was point out that existing energy often comes from dirty sources. But even the dirtiest coal plant in America is cleaner than the cleanest semi-truck-sized diesel engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JohGniYph-c&t=22
Indeed.
Watch Planet of the Humans (https://planetofthehumans.com/) for a different perspective on 'green energy' and lots of facts.
Ask yourself a great question - 'why does going green mean you have to buy something new?'
Things like 'solar panels, battery power cars, biofuel, wood chips for power generation, all of it is sheit. All of it. Sure, CO2 emissions bad. Diesel emission bad. Climate change bad.
The bigger issue is the consumption of the natural resources of our planet. The green industry is ensuring 100% we continue that path. An some fracking Tesla truck is just another cog in the consumption chain.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on November 12, 2020, 06:45:41 PM
Are we asking ourselves the right questions? Are diesel engines and CO2 emissions really the true problem? Or is it the rape of the world for natural resources with pollution tied to endless growth and consumerism going to end us way faster than a warming planet will?
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on November 13, 2020, 04:18:43 PM
Next they will kill everyone at 30 years old..... oh wait, That is Logan's Run.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on November 13, 2020, 04:52:58 PM
Here's what Mr. Fork should have posted instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6qMGBUEyig
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: 100Coogn on November 13, 2020, 05:11:57 PM
Addresses quite a few concerns made in this thread coincidentally.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Maverick on November 25, 2020, 10:15:13 AM
No matter how many miles per charge the truck gets there is simply insufficient electrical grid capacity (mostly from coal and natural gas) to charge a large conversion to electric vehicles. the situation on the far west coast is a preview of what I am talking about.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Scared on November 25, 2020, 08:57:54 PM
innovation will prevail. china will steal it, but we will do the next great thing too.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mister Fork on November 26, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
Another elephant in the room.
The existing grid doesn't have the capacity to charge no more than a move to 5% of electrically charged vehicles/trucks, and no state/province have plans to address that shortfall.
FFS, a regional heat wave taxes almost every system we have in North America (it's an integrated grid). How TF are we to manage moving to electrical grid of charging vehicles and then cope with hotter/longer heat waves and people coming home at night to charge their cars, shippers to their trucks, and then all the tech we now have in our homes that also eat into the demands on the grid.
And no, adding solar/wind power does NOT address the increase demand - it's designed to replace/augment existing.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on November 26, 2020, 08:08:47 PM
The existing grid doesn't have the capacity to charge no more than a move to 5% of electrically charged vehicles/trucks, and no state/province have plans to address that shortfall.
FFS, a regional heat wave taxes almost every system we have in North America (it's an integrated grid). How TF are we to manage moving to electrical grid of charging vehicles and then cope with hotter/longer heat waves and people coming home at night to charge their cars, shippers to their trucks, and then all the tech we now have in our homes that also eat into the demands on the grid.
And no, adding solar/wind power does NOT address the increase demand - it's designed to replace/augment existing.
The existing grid doesn't have the capacity to charge no more than a move to 5% of electrically charged vehicles/trucks, and no state/province have plans to address that shortfall.
FFS, a regional heat wave taxes almost every system we have in North America (it's an integrated grid). How TF are we to manage moving to electrical grid of charging vehicles and then cope with hotter/longer heat waves and people coming home at night to charge their cars, shippers to their trucks, and then all the tech we now have in our homes that also eat into the demands on the grid.
And no, adding solar/wind power does NOT address the increase demand - it's designed to replace/augment existing.
Well in kalifornia they have blackouts. Those days they can't charge their vehicles. Also it would probably mean more blackouts for them.... even the ones who do not get electric vehicles.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: guncrasher on November 27, 2020, 03:33:24 AM
Well in kalifornia they have blackouts. Those days they can't charge their vehicles. Also it would probably mean more blackouts for them.... even the ones who do not get electric vehicles.
blackouts has to do with wind and not lack of power this time of year. and it's not like you have a whole city without power.
semp
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on November 27, 2020, 05:38:42 AM
blackouts has to do with wind and not lack of power this time of year. and it's not like you have a whole city without power.
semp
So wind and no charging your car.....
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Rondar on November 27, 2020, 09:27:09 AM
My son in law has a Tesla car. He can drive it to work and back for approximately a week. So, rolling blackouts are not a problem per se. He will have a problem if it is sustained or if mother nature keeps power off for a long time. If I were to have a Tesla myself, you can bet I would have a generator of sufficient capability to charge it. And yes, somewhat defeating the purpose, but would still have the ability to drive. The same person using dinosaur fuel might have a problem if electricity is off long enough for him/her to run out of gas or diesel and can't fill up anywhere. I live rural so I already have a generator with enough gas to weather out a fair amount of grid down time, as I like a bit of heat and the refrigerators and freezers operating.
As far as trucks go, yes, probably have to be charged every day. Could be a problem for a while. And, I'm pretty sure an average 5,000 watt home generator will take a long time to charge a Semi Truck.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: guncrasher on November 27, 2020, 10:31:25 AM
again, you are making the wrong assumption. for example yesterday about 100k people either lost or could lose power due to high winds.
sounds like a lot of people, but it's the same dang places every time. and if you look at Google maps, southern California has a lot of square miles.
in reality there's lots of places where you v can charge your vehicle. and those who buy ev can and do charge it at work. places of work are not built where winds affect power.
semp
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on November 27, 2020, 05:24:05 PM
Are we asking ourselves the right questions? Are diesel engines and CO2 emissions really the true problem? Or is it the rape of the world for natural resources with pollution tied to endless growth and consumerism going to end us way faster than a warming planet will?
Resources are what people survive on. This is food, water, or anything else we can make use of. Your term is way off.
If you can do without resources... have at it. So far not one human has been able to do without. Every resource is limited, even sunlight.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: SIM on November 27, 2020, 06:14:56 PM
I've got to ask this.........
How many of our contributors have a first hand knowledge of electrical power grids and how they work?
Some of the comments made, to date, make me wonder how much supposition, and emotion, play a part of this conversation.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on November 27, 2020, 08:29:24 PM
When the Tesla factory in Austin, TX is completed next year (2021) the production of the Semis will begin. Initially Tesla will be lucky if they make 100,000 trucks the first year. It might be awhile before they can produce 200,000 to 300,000 trucks per year until their battery production can increase and keep up. With a range of 621 miles (with the new 4860 cell) they will not be stopping very often to charge up.
It will be at least five years before there are 1,000,000 Tesla Semis on the highways. I do not expect one million trucks to have a negligible impact on the power grid anytime soon. Tesla will be rolling out battery power cells at all charging stations and that will reduce the need to turn on Peaker power stations. The charging station batteries can charge during low usage hours between midnight and 8 am. If Tesla can ramp up production to 500,000 to 1,000,000 trucks per year in the next five to ten years there will plenty of time to increase energy production.
The semis will most likely have four 100 Kwatt battery packs and have several ports to speed up charging. In thirty to fifty minutes the driver is back on the road again. That is enough time to get a bite to eat and use the facilities. Right Scotty? :D
:salute
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: scott66 on November 27, 2020, 11:38:03 PM
Lol sounds about right manoman!
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Scared on November 28, 2020, 08:38:59 AM
the question remains..where are they gonna get all of the slave labor to mine the ingredients?
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on November 28, 2020, 12:30:23 PM
What ingredients require slave labor?
The next generation battery, the 4680 does not use cobalt in its formula (2021: production begins). The use of cobalt was reduced to less than three per cent when the battery for the model 3 came out. Tesla knows about this and did the R and D to stop the use of Cobalt. The DRC uses child labor.
Or were you referring to the Uighurs, a persecuted ethnic minority from China’s western Xinjiang region, who work as slaves? Over 83 multinational companies have been linked to the use of slave labor in China.
:salute
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on February 04, 2021, 08:31:50 PM
New rumor-news on the Tesla Semi out today. The start of this video is a good summary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq8c847Pt-4
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: zack1234 on February 05, 2021, 10:55:43 AM
In 5 years time the US inflation rate will be out of control.
So it is immaterial.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Rondar on February 11, 2021, 12:00:43 AM
I doubt we will be seeing them lugging up high mountain passes but at least they can recoup. some and it might regen brake better than a jake brake.
my cummins Jake works awesome using the dedicated cam .. Honestly more Jake than I need even fully loaded at 82.5k
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on February 13, 2021, 12:25:20 AM
Nothing is going to out-torque the electric motors on the Tesla Semi, other than maybe another electric semi. Whatever hill a diesel can get up an electric will do twice as fast, modestly.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on February 13, 2021, 08:38:26 AM
Nothing is going to out-torque the electric motors on the Tesla Semi, other than maybe another electric semi. Whatever hill a diesel can get up an electric will do twice as fast, modestly.
Locomotives have been diesel/electric for some time now. WWII subs were the same. The issue with straight electric is you have to make enough electricity, far more than we do now, to supply a public that can run on it. We have issues with the grid now. This would have to be far improved before we can ever move to electric vehicles for the masses. Worrying about the vehicles at this point is like putting the chicken before the egg.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on February 13, 2021, 09:55:11 AM
Locomotives have been diesel/electric for some time now. WWII subs were the same. The issue with straight electric is you have to make enough electricity, far more than we do now, to supply a public that can run on it. We have issues with the grid now. This would have to be far improved before we can ever move to electric vehicles for the masses. Worrying about the vehicles at this point is like putting the chicken before the egg.
This FUD is no more valid today than it was when it first appeared on this BBS ~ 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: morfiend on February 13, 2021, 01:39:25 PM
Locomotives have been diesel/electric for some time now. WWII subs were the same. The issue with straight electric is you have to make enough electricity, far more than we do now, to supply a public that can run on it. We have issues with the grid now. This would have to be far improved before we can ever move to electric vehicles for the masses. Worrying about the vehicles at this point is like putting the chicken before the egg.
I hear ya shuff but dinos laid eggs long before the chicken appeared,so the egg came first..... Ah I just answered that age old question.... :devil
:salute
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: morfiend on February 13, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
BTW in Canada they've been working on the electric hyway for some time now.
Most the parking spaces downtown in the city I live in have free charging and parking for EV's.I'm hoping to get a PHEV soon,but my honda just wont die.
:salute
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: SIM on February 13, 2021, 03:45:36 PM
This FUD is no more valid today than it was when it first appeared on this BBS ~ 10 years ago.
Do you have the background to make such an assumption?
I'm not trying to be offensive, as Ive been accused of in the past, but I would like to know whether a poster actually has a clue about what they are addressing.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: icepac on February 13, 2021, 03:57:58 PM
If your electric company does rolling blackouts in the summer, the infrastructure is not ready.
Imagine the sag from 5:30 to 7:00 when people arrive home from work.
If your model 3 uses the 120V charger at 32 amps, you get 5 miles range charged per hour.
240v charger doubles and almost triples the rate of charge with the requisite KwH draw.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on February 13, 2021, 05:36:41 PM
BTW in Canada they've been working on the electric hyway for some time now.
Most the parking spaces downtown in the city I live in have free charging and parking for EV's.I'm hoping to get a PHEV soon,but my honda just wont die.
:salute
Free... no... you are paying for it and just don't use it yet.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on February 13, 2021, 05:38:58 PM
Until the electric semi truck has to pull over for 10 hours to charge... doesn't seem twice as fast.
So when the Tesla Semi specs are officially announced, and the charge time is a small fraction of 10 hours, you guys will change your mind about it?
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: scott66 on February 15, 2021, 07:11:02 PM
I'm all for electric as long as it can do 11 hours of driving and charge less than the 10 for sleeper/off time plus it needs generator back up in case of emergency like weather and road closures plus it needs to be able to meet the personal conveyance of 50 miles a day after your 11 if needed. We are a long ways off.. Luckily I'm on the back side of my driving career I won't have to deal with it. I'm sure they will adjust the DOT regs to match what electric is capable of
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on February 16, 2021, 12:21:03 PM
and what if you could charge the Tesla semi in 1 hour?
...............the semi-truck’s charging port reveals an 8-pin configuration that’s significantly larger than the Supercharger port found on Model S, X,Y, and Model 3 passenger cars...
....it has been rumored to have 4 battery packs......we shall see .............soon.
......unlike a Supercharger that has a power output of roughly 120 kW, Tesla’s Megacharger will see more than ten times the power levels...........
and a link for Shuffler: https://www.merriam-webster.com/ (https://www.merriam-webster.com/)
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on February 16, 2021, 12:28:50 PM
So where is all the power going to come from to charge all the batteries needed for the this?
I read recently that we could not go all electric today if they wanted to...
We do not have the needed levels of electricity for it to happen.
So if we do not have that level of power with all the different types of power generation used today how will it be possible when only green energy production is permitted?
Eagler
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Vulcan on February 16, 2021, 01:43:31 PM
I read recently that we could not go all electric today if they wanted to...
Correct. But not just because of electricity demand, for the car market you are restricted by rare earth element product. Global consumption of new cars is ~60million per year, potential EV production is probably around 5 million.
I've no idea where trucks fit into that model, but I suspect it'd be similar.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on February 16, 2021, 02:26:53 PM
That's crap. Tesla already has motors that don't use any rare earth element magnets. They're called induction motors. If rare earths are a bottleneck at all, they can use the induction motors from the Model S / X instead of the permanent magnet motors from the Model 3 / Y. And before anyone says "but the batteries", the batteries don't have any rare earth elements in them at all.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: guncrasher on February 16, 2021, 03:31:31 PM
So where is all the power going to come from to charge all the batteries needed for the this?
I read recently that we could not go all electric today if they wanted to...
We do not have the needed levels of electricity for it to happen.
So if we do not have that level of power with all the different types of power generation used today how will it be possible when only green energy production is permitted?
Eagler
replace power with gasoline and you have a statement from 120 years ago when the cars started coming out of production.
semp
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: scott66 on February 16, 2021, 03:43:48 PM
@mano.....I don't think I'll ever be able to ride shotgun and let auto pilot drive but they are taking my shifting gears activity at from me anyways most of the new trucks are Auto shift I still have a 13 speed but mines older 2014..I miss my 2000 pete 379 with 18 speed it gave me something to do lol
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on February 16, 2021, 03:54:49 PM
That's crap. Tesla already has motors that don't use any rare earth element magnets. They're called induction motors. If rare earths are a bottleneck at all, they can use the induction motors from the Model S / X instead of the permanent magnet motors from the Model 3 / Y. And before anyone says "but the batteries", the batteries don't have any rare earth elements in them at all.
That's crap. Tesla already has motors that don't use any rare earth element magnets. They're called induction motors. If rare earths are a bottleneck at all, they can use the induction motors from the Model S / X instead of the permanent magnet motors from the Model 3 / Y. And before anyone says "but the batteries", the batteries don't have any rare earth elements in them at all.
Yeah, and? Your article does nothing to dispute what I said.
I'm guessing you have no idea what a rare earth element is.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: DurrD on February 18, 2021, 01:18:42 PM
The rolling blackouts from this current winter storm are further evidence that our existing grid is not ready for an all-electric fleet. I have no doubt that perhaps someday this will happen, I just don't see it happening in the next 20 years even, which is where many of the targets have been set by California, several European countries, and even General Motors. We couldn't even handle a single day of people running their electric heaters some before they had to start shutting it down. Imagine if everybody is charging their cars!
Anyhow, they are going to have to improve a lot before I will be able to use one. I'd love to drive a Tesla Model S to work, but my commute is a little over 80 miles one way, Monday through Thursday. There are no electric vehicle charging facilities at either end, nor anywhere along the way. Even if I installed one at home, I'm not sure there is enough time at night to charge it up enough to make the same near 200 mile trip the next day. Until vehicle range and recharging technology improves a lot, I'll be driving my diesel VW Passat mostly I guess.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: morfiend on February 18, 2021, 01:38:07 PM
Jaguar plans all EV's by 2025,Ford has plans to revamp the german plant to build EV's for euro market and all EV/PHEV by 2030. Volvo has followed with hybred/ev only by next year.
Someone suggested I buy generac shares,hmmm might have to look into that.
Do they still make buggy whips?
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: guncrasher on February 18, 2021, 03:31:30 PM
The rolling blackouts from this current winter storm are further evidence that our existing grid is not ready for an all-electric fleet. I have no doubt that perhaps someday this will happen, I just don't see it happening in the next 20 years even, which is where many of the targets have been set by California, several European countries, and even General Motors. We couldn't even handle a single day of people running their electric heaters some before they had to start shutting it down. Imagine if everybody is charging their cars!
Anyhow, they are going to have to improve a lot before I will be able to use one. I'd love to drive a Tesla Model S to work, but my commute is a little over 80 miles one way, Monday through Thursday. There are no electric vehicle charging facilities at either end, nor anywhere along the way. Even if I installed one at home, I'm not sure there is enough time at night to charge it up enough to make the same near 200 mile trip the next day. Until vehicle range and recharging technology improves a lot, I'll be driving my diesel VW Passat mostly I guess.
Yup, agreed!
Plus 10 years ago Texas suffered a similar brutal winter storm causing blackouts and grid failures. The study conducted in that aftermath concluded the power grid was to blame and needs to be winterized. Guess they didn't learn, and oh, they don't rely on any backup plans outside their state due to their independence, yet are accepting FEMA emergency assistance. Love the irony :)
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: zack1234 on February 20, 2021, 03:27:11 AM
Bruv got a semi yesterday
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Vulcan on February 21, 2021, 02:38:53 AM
so where does all this great electricity come from?
Mostly, biofuel plants (burning trees - more C02), coal (even more C02), some nuclear, some of it hydro, more natural gas (more C02), and it's all assembled by robots run on electricity.
And, oh, by the way, you have to buy something new, you can't convert an existing truck either. Buy! Buy! Buy! Consumerism at its finest.
So, tell me again how this is saving the planet?
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on March 15, 2021, 11:57:11 AM
I conserve already... my home is electric. My truck is diesel.
Oddly enough they have always said my home would be more efficient on gas.....
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: TryHard on March 15, 2021, 12:06:28 PM
Mostly, biofuel plants (burning trees - more C02), coal (even more C02), some nuclear, some of it hydro, more natural gas (more C02), and it's all assembled by robots run on electricity.
And, oh, by the way, you have to buy something new, you can't convert an existing truck either. Buy! Buy! Buy! Consumerism at its finest.
So, tell me again how this is saving the planet?
Its just like the DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) that is mandated on all modern diesel engines. Saving the environment one plastic bottle at a time!
Ill just keep driving my 23 year old pickup truck that gets 10 mpg with a 350 v8 that has long since paid for its "carbon footprint"
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2021, 12:40:05 PM
Yes the replacement of plastic will be from trees..that should end well
Eagler
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: fracdude on March 16, 2021, 01:26:16 PM
@mano.....I don't think I'll ever be able to ride shotgun and let auto pilot drive but they are taking my shifting gears activity at from me anyways most of the new trucks are Auto shift I still have a 13 speed but mines older 2014..I miss my 2000 pete 379 with 18 speed it gave me something to do lol
I just drove a Western Star standard automatic, if you have ever seen one :bhead :bhead :bhead i kept reaching for shifter every time I pushed the clutch in. No power what so ever on hills. As far as these green trucks go, they may be great for OTR stuff but I don't see them very good in mud or snow in the oilfield where I work. We would have the front ripped off on the first pad we drove into that had mud. I think I saw in that video 80k, some of our pumps are 90k and get into the coil tubing side, they are much much heavier. I wouldn't mind driving one just to say i did :P
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: eddiek on March 16, 2021, 03:51:32 PM
I just drove a Western Star standard automatic, if you have ever seen one :bhead :bhead :bhead i kept reaching for shifter every time I pushed the clutch in. No power what so ever on hills. As far as these green trucks go, they may be great for OTR stuff but I don't see them very good in mud or snow in the oilfield where I work. We would have the front ripped off on the first pad we drove into that had mud. I think I saw in that video 80k, some of our pumps are 90k and get into the coil tubing side, they are much much heavier. I wouldn't mind driving one just to say i did :P
fracdude, now you have me curious......I've been doing frac support and drill outs in CO and ND the past few years, just got home from a 6 week deployment in CO last Wednesday. Where are you working? We've been fortunate enough to not screen out and need coil to come in and save the day but once since September, of course, that could all change in a minute.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on March 16, 2021, 05:50:32 PM
Individual computerized traction control on each of the 4 motorized wheels and torque that diesel can't even dream of, and somehow the electric semi will be worse on ice, snow and mud. The message somehow just isn't getting through.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: fracdude on March 16, 2021, 06:51:01 PM
fracdude, now you have me curious......I've been doing frac support and drill outs in CO and ND the past few years, just got home from a 6 week deployment in CO last Wednesday. Where are you working? We've been fortunate enough to not screen out and need coil to come in and save the day but once since September, of course, that could all change in a minute.
I spent 6 years in North Dakota, was working for Liberty up out of williston but the pay was garbage. In wyoming working now. We just had coil on our last pad, the casing was bad. We pumped wireline down and just got into sand and pressure fell off, so we sent wireline back down with a plug and abbandoned half the well, got into sand again and pressure fell off again. So we rigged out hahaha
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: eddiek on March 16, 2021, 06:58:06 PM
I spent 6 years in North Dakota, was working for Liberty up out of williston but the pay was garbage. In wyoming working now. We just had coil on our last pad, the casing was bad. We pumped wireline down and just got into sand and pressure fell off, so we sent wireline back down with a plug and abbandoned half the well, got into sand again and pressure fell off again. So we rigged out hahaha
Small world........Liberty has been doing the fracs on all the pads I've been on since September. They were on another pad last month for a different company, had to have coil come in and work on one of the wells. That was a Verdad pad. PM me, heck, we may know one another from our work. No need to hijack this thread further.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: fracdude on March 16, 2021, 06:58:25 PM
Individual computerized traction control on each of the 4 motorized wheels and torque that diesel can't even dream of, and somehow the electric semi will be worse on ice, snow and mud. The message somehow just isn't getting through.
its the ground clearance issue I was pointing out, i have driven through 2 feet of mud and slop. The tesla has less ground clearance than my pickup truck, would be a huge plow and then back up in a deep rut and rip the front end off. Would probably be great for an OTR truck though :aok
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: fracdude on March 16, 2021, 07:11:36 PM
Small world........Liberty has been doing the fracs on all the pads I've been on since September. They were on another pad last month for a different company, had to have coil come in and work on one of the wells. That was a Verdad pad. PM me, heck, we may know one another from our work. No need to hijack this thread further.
tried to pm you, dunno if it went through :headscratch:
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on March 17, 2021, 02:46:08 PM
its the ground clearance issue I was pointing out, i have driven through 2 feet of mud and slop. The tesla has less ground clearance than my pickup truck, would be a huge plow and then back up in a deep rut and rip the front end off. Would probably be great for an OTR truck though :aok
I'm sure you can take those things off.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: TryHard on March 17, 2021, 07:21:08 PM
Individual computerized traction control on each of the 4 motorized wheels and torque that diesel can't even dream of, and somehow the electric semi will be worse on ice, snow and mud. The message somehow just isn't getting through.
But its electric so its stupid :)
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on March 18, 2021, 12:47:25 AM
Now they found out that Greenland's ice shelf is not millions of years old. Seems that Greenland was covered in plant life just a few hundred thousand years a go. Wonder who cause the planet to warm then.... aliens?
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mister Fork on March 18, 2021, 04:09:00 PM
Now they found out that Greenland's ice shelf is not millions of years old. Seems that Greenland was covered in plant life just a few hundred thousand years a go. Wonder who cause the planet to warm then.... aliens?
Zack's farts... but that's just speculation. :neener:
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: MiloMorai on March 22, 2021, 01:28:44 PM
Now they found out that Greenland's ice shelf is not millions of years old. Seems that Greenland was covered in plant life just a few hundred thousand years a go. Wonder who cause the planet to warm then.... aliens?
The magnetic North Pole was not where it is today back then.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on April 13, 2021, 07:34:26 PM
Scotty can you imagine driving down the highway and ALL you hear is your tires?
You are climbing a steep grade going 35 mph and there is that truck up ahead who is only going 25 mph and it will difficult to change lanes .........oh my ........
when you could be going 70 mph in a Tesla semi and no need to make traffic slow down when you want to pass. :D
....... I guess that is a little hard to imagine.
And you will miss all of that shifting of gears which is the funnest part of the experience.
:banana:
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: TryHard on April 13, 2021, 07:56:21 PM
Scotty can you imagine driving down the highway and ALL you hear is your tires?
You are climbing a steep grade going 35 mph and there is that truck up ahead who is only going 25 mph and it will difficult to change lanes .........oh my ........
when you could be going 70 mph in a Tesla semi and no need to make traffic slow down when you want to pass. :D
That's a cute fairytale.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on April 14, 2021, 10:07:00 AM
The 4680 cell increases range to 620 miles. The Austin factory will be completed soon and start production.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on April 14, 2021, 12:05:34 PM
Isn't battery life tied directly to to the size load it is pulling?
Eagler
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on April 14, 2021, 03:01:38 PM
That was stated in the video several times.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on April 14, 2021, 03:03:12 PM
What brand EV do you have? Is it really noisy? No torque?
Just curious.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BOBO on April 15, 2021, 06:15:44 AM
Has anyone in this thread brought up petrochemicals as a reason to continue fueling vehicles and power plants with fossil fuels?
We can't just allow the plastics industry to collapse and pretend that nothing happened.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: morfiend on April 15, 2021, 02:50:41 PM
No one wants the plastic industry to disappear. I mean 3d printing is all the rage these days,right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Magnetic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYQ2PiX_Z9o
It's obvious we cant continue down the road we're on so change is coming.Back when horses were the main means of transport I'm sure many thought the automobile was a terrible idea too.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BOBO on April 15, 2021, 08:08:50 PM
No one wants the plastic industry to disappear. I mean 3d printing is all the rage these days,right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Magnetic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYQ2PiX_Z9o
It's obvious we cant continue down the road we're on so change is coming.Back when horses were the main means of transport I'm sure many thought the automobile was a terrible idea too.
I'm not against electric cars. I just think it's silly to think that we can completely do away with something so useful.
I predict that fuel cells will be the future, not batteries. Toyota has already figured out how to make them affordable and carry enough hydrogen safely to complete with gas burners.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: guncrasher on April 16, 2021, 06:15:49 AM
120 years ago people thought the horse was the way to go and cars were a fad. I mean, who would build gas stations or such things.
now we have electric cars and hybrids, while I personally wont buy one now as I think they're too expensive and besides I have nowhere to plug it in. 10 years from now who knows. but one thing to remember oil is not an unlimited resource. eventually we'll have a car that runs on trash like back to the future, who knows.
semp
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Slate on April 16, 2021, 08:34:31 AM
Weight, cost and battery by product pollution is still a stumbling block for batteries right now. Without subsidies Tesla would never make a dollar. Still a better power plant than the combustion engine is needed and i think ultimately will be the future. Imagine tiny fusion reactors? Won’t see it in my life though.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: morfiend on April 16, 2021, 11:20:56 AM
My question for those who dont think we'll go electric is...Why are all the manufacturers going to electric/hybred vehicles?
Sure a hydrogen/fuel cell system would be great,plenty of hydrogen and when you burn it it makes H2O,there are some other concerns.
My other question is..... How many have a cell phone,and if so have you ever used a wireless charger like most new cars have in them these days? Whats to stop us using that same tech to charge as you drive?
Then finally have you ever heard of training? It's where you connect several vehicles together when going in a common direction.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Slate on April 16, 2021, 08:01:55 PM
My other question is..... How many have a cell phone,and if so have you ever used a wireless charger like most new cars have in them these days? Whats to stop us using that same tech to charge as you drive?
Now that is an interesting idea, to have built into the road a section that would charge as you drive so the huge batteries would not be necessary. Only problem is the Guberment can't fill or fix roads now, maybe in a perfect world
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on April 17, 2021, 12:13:46 AM
Wires have nearly no resistance, wireless is massively inefficient. One of the key positives to going to electric drive trains is the more efficient energy usage. If you switch to wireless charging you're throwing away a massive percentage of the efficiency. People would be justified for once saying that electric is just as bad or worse than gas/diesel, if you charged wirelessly. Therefore it shouldn't happen, not on roads, not parked in a garage. Wireless charging for big things should never be a reality.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: guncrasher on April 17, 2021, 01:24:37 AM
I have an s20 android phone. it will charge in about 25 minutes. I bought a phone holder for my car with wireless charger, it's a very expensive phone holder that hardly charges my phone.
semp
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: morfiend on April 19, 2021, 10:55:09 AM
Wires have nearly no resistance, wireless is massively inefficient. One of the key positives to going to electric drive trains is the more efficient energy usage. If you switch to wireless charging you're throwing away a massive percentage of the efficiency. People would be justified for once saying that electric is just as bad or worse than gas/diesel, if you charged wirelessly. Therefore it shouldn't happen, not on roads, not parked in a garage. Wireless charging for big things should never be a reality.
While what I know about electricity could be written on the head of a pin there are others out there who know much more than I could ever possibly hope to.These same people claim that electricity is RF based,Tesla the man not the company was clearly able to transmit electricity without wires and over long distances,so while most wireless chargers are not efficient that doesnt mean they have to be. The biggest problem with it is you cant put a meter on it!!
As I said I know diddley about electricity but if you're so inclined and would like to learn a little check out this guy.... Gerard Morin Some of the things he does just makes you go .... :headscratch: I watched him use a 1500 watt generator and he powered about 4500 watts or when he transmits electricity from one fan to another without the use of wires and of course all the while explaining how the power companies are taking advantage of us.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on April 19, 2021, 01:31:21 PM
Tesla crash killed 2 over the weekend when driverless car plowed into a tree at high rate of speed.
Seems the batteries are a fire issue as they generate their own oxygen.
Too bad you can't retrofit perfectly working diesel International, MAC, or Volvo long haul truck. Cause that would actually be thinking about the environment and not having to buy a new truck to go 'green' when in actual fact, it's just turning you into another sheeple consumer
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on April 22, 2021, 01:25:49 PM
When fuel prices go up, the price of everything else goes up as well.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on April 29, 2021, 05:32:00 PM
Just saw someone post that when the price of gas is $7 per gallon this summer, they're going to stand outside the costco holding a sign with their Tesla referral code. :D
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on April 30, 2021, 06:02:30 AM
Everything is going up
The new green deal will make the cost of everything made from oil which is about everything rise like never before
Add crazy inflation due to the ridiculous if not criminal printing of fiat money around the world and we are in for a heck of a ride..
I think an electric semi will be the least of anyone's concern
Eagler
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on May 01, 2021, 11:09:20 AM
Scotty you have a lot of knowledge on this subject concerning costs. Is this guy spot on or full of it? He makes some good points. You still have to buy tires, shocks, brakes, insurance, etc, but many maintenance items like filters(oil,diesel,intake), oil changes for the engine and transmission, glow plugs, etc, go away with the electric.
Another point, do we want the big oil companies providing hydrogen for fuel cells? Pollution and price gouging are important concerns in hydrogen production. Safety is another concern.
Tesla still has bugs to work out before they start production of their new cell called the 4680. This cell is needed for production of the semi to get the range needed for long haulers.
He also points out the electric may not get the range of a diesel when climbing hills with heavy loads.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: scott66 on May 01, 2021, 02:16:39 PM
He's correct on several points but the range just isn't there yet.. And the cost matched with the recharge time makes this not financially feasible at this time.. Even thou you can offset the cost because of the savings on fuel which was my biggest cost last year, it just doesn't measure up to Diesel..I spent 80k last year on fuel, I'm all for electric but we are just not there yet... They also need to do something about emergency battery reserve
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on July 26, 2021, 03:18:21 PM
Tesla's Q2 earnings letter says the Tesla Semi production was pushed back to 2022.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on July 27, 2021, 10:49:26 AM
there is a battery cell shortage and a chip shortage
it might be awhile. :(
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Chalenge on July 27, 2021, 07:07:04 PM
The only way this'll ever fly is if they go the power-pack route, with Tesla "comfort stations" to switch out packs at truck stops. Otherwise it's the Moonbat project (McDonnell XP-67) all over again.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: pallero on July 28, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on November 12, 2021, 10:53:15 AM
When the factories in Berlin and Austin go online those numbers in the columns will triple is my prediction. Both factories are much bigger than the one in Fremont.
The Semi will most likely be made in Austin.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on November 12, 2021, 12:34:33 PM
Make sure they are auto drive as no one wants that job these days either
Eagler
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on November 18, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
Tertiarily related, but here's a documentary that came out in 2006:
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on November 19, 2021, 09:15:16 AM
2006 was about 100 years ago in common sense time
These morons are about to print 2 trillion dollars to built charging stations across the country for what percentage of car owners who actually own a battery driven car?
Eagler
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eviscerate on November 19, 2021, 09:37:38 AM
These morons are about to print 2 trillion dollars to built charging stations across the country for what percentage of car owners who actually own a battery driven car?
Eagler
No one will buy electric vehicles if there is no infrastructure to support them.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on November 19, 2021, 11:01:53 AM
There are 1,169 Tesla Superchargers locations in the United States as of October 28, 2021. The state with the most number of Tesla Superchargers locations in the US is California, with 245 locations, which is 20% of all Tesla Superchargers locations in America.
Top States with the most Tesla Superchargers locations: California Vs. Florida Vs. New York California
Population: 39.51M
245 LOCATIONS (20%)
A location for every 161,273 people, with about 20% of the total number of Tesla Superchargers locations
Florida
Population: 21.48M
71 LOCATIONS (6%)
A location for every 302,507 people, with about 6% of the total number of Tesla Superchargers locations
New York
Population: 19.45M
57 LOCATIONS (4%)
A location for every 341,298 people, with about 4% of the total number of Tesla Superchargers locations
There are 6 US States and Territories without any Tesla Superchargers locations. US States and Territories without any Tesla Superchargers locations These States and Territories do not have any Tesla Superchargers locations - U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, Hawaii, Northern Mariana Islands and Alaska.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on November 19, 2021, 11:04:28 AM
No one will buy electric vehicles if there is no infrastructure to support them.
It's not the federal government's responsibility to spend tax dollars on charging stations...
If it was lucrative, private sector would be jumping at it but instead the gov has to subsidize it with tax dollars while trying to make the status quo ridiculously expensive in comparison to what it should be
And sadly it is more about politics and control than the nonsense that we can control the weather and thus the climate
Eagler
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on November 19, 2021, 11:35:50 AM
The federal tax subsidy ran out after they manufactured 200,000 cars. The same for GM.
It's not the federal government's responsibility to spend tax dollars on charging stations...
If it was lucrative, private sector would be jumping at it but instead the gov has to subsidize it with tax dollars while trying to make the status quo ridiculously expensive in comparison to what it should be
And sadly it is more about politics and control than the nonsense that we can control the weather and thus the climate
Eagler
And Amtrak hasn't been profitable in 50 years but no one seems to care about those tax dollars being pissed away.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on November 19, 2021, 11:56:05 AM
Tesla pays for their charging network with the sales of their cars. No tax subsidies.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on November 19, 2021, 12:02:27 PM
Then why is it supported in the "human" infrastructure bill?
Sounds like uncle sam has its paws in it ..gotta kill fossil fuels at all costs lol
All for anything totally paid for by private companies and not tax dollars we have to print out of thin air to push through
Eagler
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on November 19, 2021, 12:44:17 PM
we are on the same page
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Vulcan on November 19, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on November 23, 2021, 01:50:49 PM
Hi Vulcan <S>
I have had my Tesla for over 3 years now and nothing like that has ever happened. My wife, mom, and sister also have a Tesla. If a glitch with the phone app were to happen you simply use your key. It is like a credit card and you swipe it past a sensor near the drivers window when you want to get in. The touch screen is easy to use like any smart phone. All Tesla vehicles are connected to a cellular network/WiFi and do regular updates automatically so any bug will get fixed in the next update. They are very fast at fixing bugs.
When my son borrows my car I simply hand him the key. You do not need the phone app to operate the vehicle.
If you are shorting Tesla stock let us know how you did in the near future. Also, let us know how Michael Burry did.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on November 24, 2021, 12:29:31 PM
Looks like most Teslas are low rated on Consumer Reports. Actual consumers reporting in.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on November 27, 2021, 11:45:48 AM
This is a long presentation by Sandy Monroe. If you follow his YouTube channel you will find a lot of information on EV’s and why Legacy Carmakers are doomed. The E-Semi will replace the Diesel over time as the battery technology develops IMHO. Chinese manufacturing of EV’s is another reason Legacy carmakers fear the EV. Legacy carmakers waited to long to get into the manufacturing of batteries. If Europe, Japan, and the USA try to block the sale of Chinese EV’s they will see their manufacturing plants become nationalized and lose out on the largest car market, China. It is a Catch 22. The video list the debt held by the largest carmakers. That is an eye opener.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Spikes on November 27, 2021, 02:36:16 PM
Edit, derp
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Vulcan on November 27, 2021, 02:49:53 PM
This is a long presentation by Sandy Monroe. If you follow his YouTube channel you will find a lot of information on EV’s and why Legacy Carmakers are doomed. The E-Semi will replace the Diesel over time as the battery technology develops IMHO.
TBH this is like the global warming/cooling thing. The 70s were predicting we'd be fried by the 90s and so on. Same goes with batteries, we're promised new better batteries every year.
I still think EVs are a bit of a white elephant right now. The cost is still high, the environmental impact is still massive, performance (especially range) is still wanting. And the gorilla in the corner is energy production (except for those willing to accept nuclear).
If I were a gambler I'd probably through my lot in with hydrogen. And I know there are more than a few EV companies hedging their bets with hydrogen.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on December 02, 2021, 10:52:49 AM
TBH this is like the global warming/cooling thing. The 70s were predicting we'd be fried by the 90s and so on. Same goes with batteries, we're promised new better batteries every year.
I still think EVs are a bit of a white elephant right now. The cost is still high, the environmental impact is still massive, performance (especially range) is still wanting. And the gorilla in the corner is energy production (except for those willing to accept nuclear).
If I were a gambler I'd probably through my lot in with hydrogen. And I know there are more than a few EV companies hedging their bets with hydrogen.
Actually in the 70s we were concerned about cooling.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on December 03, 2021, 11:43:23 AM
TBH this is like the global warming/cooling thing. The 70s were predicting we'd be fried by the 90s and so on. Same goes with batteries, we're promised new better batteries every year.
I still think EVs are a bit of a white elephant right now. The cost is still high, the environmental impact is still massive, performance (especially range) is still wanting. And the gorilla in the corner is energy production (except for those willing to accept nuclear).
If I were a gambler I'd probably through my lot in with hydrogen. And I know there are more than a few EV companies hedging their bets with hydrogen.
Hi Vulcan
I assumed when you listed CNBC and Michael Burry as your source of information that you were Shorting Tesla stock. It appears CNBC was wrong about Michael Burry shorting Tesla. Short sellers have lost between 60-70 billion dollars shorting Tesla stock, depending on which source you read.
CNBC is owned by Comcast. Comcast receives billions in advertising every year from Legacy car makers in ad revenue. Tesla does not spend one penny on advertising. Their sales are generated by word of mouth. Is this bias on the part of Comcast? Maybe.....maybe not. It could be a coincidence, but they publish one article after another with negative comments on Tesla.
Before you short or buy stock in a company that produces fuel cell vehicles it might be a good idea to purchase one and find out how convenient it is to operate. Where will buy the hydrogen to operate it? How often do the fuel cell membranes have to be replaced? What is the efficiency of a fuel cell vehicle compared to a BEV? Is the vehicle reliable and simple to operate? Will the oil companies be the providers for hydrogen at the recharging stations? How does a hydrogen tank retain its integrity in an automobile collision?
If fuel cell vehicles are a success it will be a good competition for BEV's. Both types of vehicles will progress faster with the competition.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on December 04, 2021, 02:29:03 PM
No one who watched and understood "Who Killed The Electric Car?", which I linked in this thread a page ago, would seriously state that they think hydrogen cars are the future instead of electric.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Mano on December 07, 2021, 04:17:18 PM
$200,000 USD for approx 600 miles of range (with the 4680 cell) ........ 1/2 hour to charge approx 80 per cent with the mega charger. The chargers slow down when you get to about 85-90 per cent to protect the batteries. Production starts 2022.
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Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: BoilerDown on December 12, 2021, 02:17:44 AM
It's not the federal government's responsibility to spend tax dollars on charging stations...
If it was lucrative, private sector would be jumping at it but instead the gov has to subsidize it with tax dollars while trying to make the status quo ridiculously expensive in comparison to what it should be
And sadly it is more about politics and control than the nonsense that we can control the weather and thus the climate
Eagler
there is a much potential incentive, gas stations use gas to generate traffic so you buy their more profitable items (junk food etc.), charging stations generate more traffic for longer, so you could potentially see resteraunts/gyms/activities that take 30min have incentive to contribute to charging infrastructure.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on January 05, 2022, 10:37:35 AM
there is a much potential incentive, gas stations use gas to generate traffic so you buy their more profitable items (junk food etc.), charging stations generate more traffic for longer, so you could potentially see resteraunts/gyms/activities that take 30min have incentive to contribute to charging infrastructure.
That would require a lot of charging stations.
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Eagler on January 05, 2022, 10:56:28 AM
Father in law drove long haul when he retired from the seabees back in the late 70's early 80's
He stated with driving restrictions they put on the drivers today, it is hard to earn a decent living today
That's the driving motivation behind these trucks, to get them to self drive or stick an immigrant in them that is happy with 50k while living on the road...
Eagler
Title: Re: The Tesla Semi will replace The Diesel Semi
Post by: Shuffler on January 05, 2022, 04:42:55 PM
Father in law drove long haul when he retired from the seabees back in the late 70's early 80's
He stated with driving restrictions they put on the drivers today, it is hard to earn a decent living today
That's the driving motivation behind these trucks, to get them to self drive or stick an immigrant in them that is happy with 50k while living on the road...
Eagler
I wondered why the only one I ever saw... the buttons were all in spanish.