Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Meatwad on April 04, 2023, 08:27:51 PM
Communist currency.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 04, 2023, 08:42:15 PM
They are preparing for the Taiwan invasion. They know the level of sanctions they will face. They know when they hit, you won't be able to buy a roll of toilet paper with a Yuan. All purchases will have to be in gold only.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 04, 2023, 09:04:36 PM
Why does China even need Taiwan when they make islands in the ocean? Never understood that.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 04, 2023, 09:16:38 PM
They are preparing for the Taiwan invasion. They know the level of sanctions they will face. They know when they hit, you won't be able to buy a roll of toilet paper with a Yuan. All purchases will have to be in gold only.
It is backed by tons of gold
They will pick off our "allies" one by one as America declines with our foolishness with the dollar and our status as a strong leader
It will be digital..nothing but an atm card
The fed is spinning up their own this summer called fednow..that doesn't sound scary at all lol
If the dollar continues to lose confidence, we are toast in the very near future imo Eagler
That's a very big if. Show me a single trustworthy entity in this deal that you'd be willing to hand your money to...
It's paramount to thieves and gangsters agreeing to start a credit union. Somehow i doubt they'll find lot of people willing to entrust them with their cash.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 05, 2023, 09:05:02 AM
BTW, it was just confirmed (even though we all knew) that China did spy on military assets with their "weather" balloon..
I guess that's perfectly acceptable for our military whose only objective seems to be how many countries we can invade and defend rarher than our own.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 05, 2023, 10:36:25 AM
That's a very big if. Show me a single trustworthy entity in this deal that you'd be willing to hand your money to...
It's paramount to thieves and gangsters agreeing to start a credit union. Somehow i doubt they'll find lot of people willing to entrust them with their cash.
Crypto. It's a stable store of value not under the control of any government! It's the FUTURE!!!!!!!
:cool:
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 05, 2023, 10:43:02 AM
That's a very big if. Show me a single trustworthy entity in this deal that you'd be willing to hand your money to...
It's paramount to thieves and gangsters agreeing to start a credit union. Somehow i doubt they'll find lot of people willing to entrust them with their cash.
Many in the globe are tired of following the US example of how the world should be...
They are tired of "fat Americans " and won't mind to take us down a peg or two
Not sure if the US is any less corrupt and criminal than most other "bad" nations these days
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 06, 2023, 08:37:40 AM
Gold and silver as a backup?
This won't make the news here until it's too late..we like to be distracted
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: fd ski on April 06, 2023, 08:40:59 AM
china and russia are telling you it's backed by gold. Do you really think anyone will believe that ? :) If you find someone like that, i got a bridge to sell.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: fd ski on April 06, 2023, 08:57:03 AM
Many in the globe are tired of following the US example of how the world should be...
They are tired of "fat Americans " and won't mind to take us down a peg or two
Not sure if the US is any less corrupt and criminal than most other "bad" nations these days
Eagler
as someone located outside of USA i can assure you that most "others" aren't interested in alternative systems proposed by russia and china. That's only Russia Today messaging and putin's wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 06, 2023, 09:12:31 AM
Howdy fd ski
As you are not American I appreciate your pov
I hope it is correct but basic economics would state otherwise
Oil was the key since Nixon killed the $$$
Now it is just military might imo
That is why I think it will take us fighting to retain reserve currency status .. we will make very good patriotic reasons for them, to save the dollar and our comparatively bloated lifestyle wouldn't be it.
Imo it is the real reason they are raising rates...to give it back some value but that action is being reversed via continuous QE..though the fed doesn't call the $$$ they are printing to save crappy banks now that.
Yes the only thing slowing or stopping this proceeding as quickly as it could go is the fact we are the least stinky turd in the pile currently but will change if we send the globe into a nice recession playing god with our currency imo
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 09:54:06 AM
As Larry Kudlow quoted last night on Fox. "I have seen the enemy and it is us".
The US leaders are our own worst enemy because they are using corruption to benefit themselves which has an impact on us all.
Those BRIC leaders know that most of the American people aren't the crazy ones enfluencing global policy. They know it's a select few major businesses and the leaders of our <can't say it here> who are batcrap crazy trying to push their WEF and UN agenda on the world. Can you blame those countries for not wanting to follow this crap? I don't want to live like communist China or too strict like Russia either, but who wants to subvert their population into a bunch of sissies like the UN is doing?
American dollar will be fine. Our private capitalistic nation is extremely strong because we allow our people to succeed and create their own wealth. Those other nations do not, nor do they have resources to achieve it. Hell, we have so much oil we could sell to the world and create $1 gas prices which would end inflation over night but they would rather push fear and watch us suffer. It is the leaders who are the problem, not the people.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: fd ski on April 06, 2023, 10:24:29 AM
I hope it is correct but basic economics would state otherwise
Oil was the key since Nixon killed the $$$
Now it is just military might imo
That is why I think it will take us fighting to retain reserve currency status .. we will make very good patriotic reasons for them, to save the dollar and our comparatively bloated lifestyle wouldn't be it.
Imo it is the real reason they are raising rates...to give it back some value but that action is being reversed via continuous QE..though the fed doesn't call the $$$ they are printing to save crappy banks now that.
Yes the only thing slowing or stopping this proceeding as quickly as it could go is the fact we are the least stinky turd in the pile currently but will change if we send the globe into a nice recession playing god with our currency imo
Eagler
and here you are wrong, my friend. I'm an American, just as you. USN veteran, passport carrying, whole 9 yards. I've been living in EU for 20 years now, to i see different perspective, that's all.
whatever bad things you say about USA, it remains a place most people would point to as desirable place to live. You may joke all you want about "freedom", but it is very real for anyone who ever lived in an oppressive regime. And before anyone starts mouthing of about Republicans/Democrats and how oppresive USA is, stfu, you haven't seen toejam. If you didn't have a volga drive around your area at 2am with secret police pulling people out of the houses and everyone around too petified to speak about it, you haven't seen an oppresive regieme.
Anyway, USA ain't bad. It has it warts, it ain't perfect, but it still ain't too bad. No sane person looking to escape poor 3rd world nation will pick china or russia. Most will give their right arm for EU or US passport.
As for financial stuff, profit trumphs over politics and ethics. Those who invested in Russia last 30 years lost to on money. That's basically every large corporation on the planet. China has been dicking around with their currency for just as long, artificially inflating/deflating it as politics dictated. House market crisis anyone ? If you come accross anyone working in finance who tells you to invest into any security backed by china or russia, because it's backed by gold (!!!), take your money and run.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 06, 2023, 10:50:19 AM
Thanks for the clarification fd ski
Yes we don't have ppl being pulled from their homes at 2am ..yet
I see France is in China asking them to step into the Ukraine mess and talk some sense into putin and mr z
and here you are wrong, my friend. I'm an American, just as you. USN veteran, passport carrying, whole 9 yards. I've been living in EU for 20 years now, to i see different perspective, that's all.
whatever bad things you say about USA, it remains a place most people would point to as desirable place to live. You may joke all you want about "freedom", but it is very real for anyone who ever lived in an oppressive regime. And before anyone starts mouthing of about Republicans/Democrats and how oppresive USA is, stfu, you haven't seen toejam. If you didn't have a volga drive around your area at 2am with secret police pulling people out of the houses and everyone around too petified to speak about it, you haven't seen an oppresive regieme.
Anyway, USA ain't bad. It has it warts, it ain't perfect, but it still ain't too bad. No sane person looking to escape poor 3rd world nation will pick china or russia. Most will give their right arm for EU or US passport.
As for financial stuff, profit trumphs over politics and ethics. Those who invested in Russia last 30 years lost to on money. That's basically every large corporation on the planet. China has been dicking around with their currency for just as long, artificially inflating/deflating it as politics dictated. House market crisis anyone ? If you come accross anyone working in finance who tells you to invest into any security backed by china or russia, because it's backed by gold (!!!), take your money and run.
Up until covid hit I think you are right. Once that hit it changed the game to allow them to shut down everything and lock people in their houses if they wanted to, which meant they didn't have true freedom. Just ask Australia about their covid camps and beating up old ladies trying to go to the store.
If you just go watch Klous Schwab and read his book. You will find its not about freedom, but of resource control. This guy whose dad was a Nazi is trying to shove it down our throats and he has a group of "future leaders" who are pushing this agenda. This is not freedom and it must be stopped because this is how they subvert a population into control just like China did.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 06, 2023, 11:13:00 AM
I have never listed peace terms in my posts..just the need for it
If china gets mr z and mr p to agree on one do you think it is the place of the US to tell them what it should be?
I don't as it should be none of our biz but it definitely has been treated as it is to this point
I think mr z if afraid of losing his cash flow but china could pay them to go for peace and not war like we do now
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 11:14:14 AM
Up until covid hit I think you are right. Once that hit it changed the game to allow them to shut down everything and lock people in their houses if they wanted to, which meant they didn't have true freedom. Just ask Australia about their covid camps and beating up old ladies trying to go to the store.
If you just go watch Klous Schwab and read his book. You will find its not about freedom, but of resource control. This guy whose dad was a Nazi is trying to shove it down our throats and he has a group of "future leaders" who are pushing this agenda. This is not freedom and it must be stopped because this is how they subvert a population into control just like China did.
You never seem to want to answer this question. Every time it is brought up you deflect.
Do you remember when they said they were not going to invade Ukraine?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 11:17:10 AM
Do you remember when they said they were not going to invade Ukraine?
You should take ambassadors comments with a grain of salt. That was also before they pushed the needle on Putin and refused to acknowledge his requests and concerns about Ukraine corruption.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 11:19:26 AM
You should take ambassadors comments with a grain of salt. That was also before they pushed the needle on Putin and refused to acknowledge his requests and concerns about Ukraine corruption.
So the answer is, Yes. You do remember when they said they were not going to invade Ukraine and then did so anyway.
Now that we have squeezed that out of you, explain why we should now believe them when they say they won't invade Poland?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 11:23:15 AM
So the answer is, Yes. You do remember when they said they were not going to invade Ukraine and then did so anyway.
Now that we have squeezed that out of you, explain why we should now believe them when they say they won't invade Poland?
How many countless times did Putin and the Kremlin speak directly to the UN peacefully about their concerns over the last 8 years. Can you answer that?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 11:25:26 AM
How many countless times did Putin and the Kremlin speak directly to the UN peacefully about their concerns over the last 8 years. Can you answer that?
You're deflecting.
Explain why we should now believe them when they say they won't invade Poland?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 11:29:02 AM
Explain why we should now believe them when they say they won't invade Poland?
See, you refuse to acknowledge that Russia had problems and brought them to the UN as a resolution and mediator of their problems, but when they failed to acknowledge those issues, you act all surprised when they invaded due to weak US leadership? Get real man. It's one reason why I don't trust the UN.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 11:29:45 AM
See, you refuse to acknowledge that Russia had problems and brought them to the UN as a resolution and mediator of their problems, but when they failed to acknowledge those issues, you act all surprised when they invaded due to weak US leadership? Get real man. It's one reason why I don't trust the UN.
You're deflecting.
Explain why we should now believe them when they say they won't invade Poland?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 11:31:14 AM
The thread is about more than the latest neverending war...it's about the downgrading of the average us citizens lifestyle
I think it's coming much sooner than anyone wants to admit
Eagler
And you can blame that on Leadership who refuse to allow America to produce oil and be dependent on Opec and Venezuela oil, who just agreed to cut their supply.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 11:37:05 AM
But I'll answer. First, I don't believe a word any russian ever says. Or chinese. They are conditioned to lie when ever their lips move.
Second, any concerns putin has about Ukrainian corruption are in no way a justification for an aggressive war of territorial conquest. Period. Full stop.
You and Eagler do nothing but say how corrupt the US is. Are you saying putin has a right to invade the US now too?
Now, back to the question you are desparately trying to avoid.
Explain why we should now believe them when they say they won't invade Poland?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 11:47:43 AM
My second question was asked before yours. Look at the thread.
But I'll answer. First, I don't believe a word any russian ever says. Or chinese. They are conditioned to lie when ever their lips move.
Any concerns putin has about Ukrainian corruption is in no way a justification for an aggressive war of territorial conquest. Period. Full stop.
You and Eagler do nothing but say how corrupt the US is. Are you saying putin has a right to invade the US now too?
Now, back to the question you are desparately trying to avoid.
Explain why we should now believe them when they say they won't invade Poland?
Wait, so you can't trust anything the other side says, but ignore their issues and then get mad when they strike because you ignored their issues? Why, I guess you'll always be in a war then.
Look at the attacks Ukraine committed on their people up north that Russia exposed and the UN did nothing. You are telling me it's okay for Ukraine to do that? On top of the corruption exposed by the whistle blower Bobulinski.
What benefit does Putin have to invade Poland? Why would he want to start WW3 with Nato? Further, why is Poland offering weapons to Ukraine if they want to stay out of war. That's just silly. You seem to want to write off the actions of one side while saying what the other side does is bad. It don't work that way.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 11:51:12 AM
Wait, so you can't trust anything the other side says, but ignore their issues and then get mad when they strike because you ignored their issues? Why, I guess you'll always be in a war then.
Look at the attacks Ukraine committed on their people up north that Russia exposed and the UN did nothing. You are telling me it's okay for Ukraine to do that? On top of the corruption exposed by the whistle blower Bobulinski.
What benefit does Putin have to invade Poland? Why would he want to start WW3 with Nato? Further, why is Poland offering weapons to Ukraine if they want to stay out of war. That's just silly. You seem to want to write off the actions of one side while saying what the other side does is bad. It don't work that way.
It looks like you're deflecting again.
Explain why we should now believe them when they say they won't invade Poland?
Is your answer because they have no benefit in doing so?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 11:53:37 AM
But again, you are deflecting my comments. Why does Poland think its okay to send weapons to fight Russia? Why should we trust the UN?
Because they know they are next on the list. Along with Romania, Moldova, and Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia.
The goal is to reconquer the old Soviet Union's geographical defensive choke points. They are banking on their internet trolls to sow enough misinformation that the gullible Useful Idiots here (not looking at anyone in particular) will swallow wholesale and undermine the West's will to resist.
The 3ft tall Slavic Hitler wannabe feels he eventually needs to take the Bessarabian Gap, the Polish Corridor and the Baltic coastline.
In each case they will promise they have no intention to invade, right up until they do. And when they do, a certain ilk will say, "Yeah, well Poland was corrupt." "Yeah, well Romania was corrupt." "Yeah, well Moldovia was corrupt." "Yeah, well Latvia was corrupt." "Yeah, well Estonia was corrupt." "Yeah, well Lithuania was corrupt."
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 12:15:20 PM
Because they know they are next on the list. Along with Romania, Moldova, and the Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia.
The goal is to reconquer the old Soviet Union's geographical defensive choke points. They are banking on their internet trolls to sow enough misinformation that the gullible Useful Idiots here (not looking at anyone in particular) will swallow wholesale and undermine the West's will to resist.
The 3ft tall Slavic Hitler wannabe feels he eventually needs to take the Bessarabian Gap, the Polish Corridor and the Baltic coastline.
In each case they will promise they have no intention to invade, right up until they do. And when they do, a certain ilk will say, "Yeah, well Poland was corrupt." "Yeah, well Romania was corrupt." "Yeah, well Moldovia was corrupt." "Yeah, well Latvia was corrupt." "Yeah, well Estonia was corrupt." "Yeah, well Lithuania was corrupt."
That is your perspective only. Why attack a large nation like Poland first before all of those tiny other countries they could have a much easier time taking?
If Poland was truely scared, they should build up there own arms and not give arms away to help a fight a war they don't want to be apart of. It makes little since. If they stay out of it, they have a less chance to be attacked and have more money for defense of their county just incase.
Secondly, Klous Schwab, who enfluences the UN thru the WEF, wrote a book called "the great reset" to usher in the "fourth industrial revolution". He is directly decendent of a man who helped the Nazis, just like Soros, who is vaslty invested in Ukraine and helped the coup in 2014. Imagine that. Tell me who are the Nazis again? Who is Tinybook (what I call him)? Why are they allowed to push their anti freedom agenda on the world using Ukraine as a honeypot for their agenda? Why is the UN allowing this? Why is the EU allowing this?
Why is America cutting off it's own foot by not being energy dependent and pushing chinsese electric agenda with slave mines in Africa?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 12:25:40 PM
If Poland was truely scared, they should build up there own arms and not give arms away to help a fight a war they don't want to be apart of.
Actually no, it's not just my perspective. I believe that is the assumption of most the Western military planners. It's why he invaded Georgia, and Crimea, and Ukraine. After Georgia, Crimea, and Ukraine, you completely fall for his line that he is not going further? Did you not study WWII? Did Hitler stop with Austria?
The reason Poland is sending arms to Ukraine is to stop russia on Ukraine soil, so they don't have to stop them on Polish soil. Surely you can see why that is preferable to them.
The same reason we are sending arms to Ukraine. It is better to stop russia there than to have to commit troops to stop them when they next attack a NATO country. Surely you can see why that is preferable to us.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 12:33:59 PM
Actually no, it's not just my perspective. I believe that is the assumption of most the Western military planners. It's why he invaded Georgia, and Crimea, and Ukraine. After Georgia, Crimea, and Ukraine, you completely fall for his line that he is not going further? Did you not study WWII? Did Hitler stop with Austria?
The reason Poland is sending arms to Ukraine is to stop russia on Ukraine soil, so they don't have to stop them on Polish soil. Surely you can see why that is preferable to them.
The same reason we are sending arms to Ukraine. It is better to stop russia there than to have to commit troops to stop them when they next attack a NATO country. Surely you can see why that is preferable to us.
Well, if Putin understands history, then invading those countries would be a big mistake. Just like it was for Hitler.
I believe all they are doing is prolonging a war by sending weapons to Ukraine along with increasing the risk of being attacked for doing so, while limiting their ability to get new production of equipment and build up their arms for defense.
It would be very stupid for Russia to attack NATO in this regard. Which is why they haven't.
Again, all of thus wouldn't have happened if the UN wasn't corrupt and atleast honored Russias wishes without trying to sneakily committ corruption in Ukraine thru the UN agedna. It's smart not to write off the qualms of country who has repeatedly brought their qualms to the UN for support.The US/UN has no right to operate secretly through DARPA and other programs on Russias border just like they don't have a right to have operations in Cuba or Mexico.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 12:43:20 PM
Well, if Putin understands history, then invading those countries would be a big mistake. Just like it was for Hitler.
No, the lesson putin has learned from his apologists in the West is that he can get away with it. The West didn't stand up to him in Georgia, or Crimea, etc. The West is at fault, but only for not standing up to him sooner.
One at a time and throw out some lame justification talking points for his army of Useful Idiots to parrot.
He believes the alliance is weak and divided and filled with conspiracy theorists that will undermine the obvious self-interest of Western nations to stand firm against his aggression.
If all else fails, he believes he has a higher pain tolerance and with enough casualties NATO will break apart and US Useful Idiots will demand we get out.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 12:52:14 PM
No, the lesson putin has learned from his apologists in the West is that he can get away with it. The West didn't stand up to him in Georgia, or Crimea, etc. The West is at fault, but only for not standing up to him sooner.
One at a time and throw out some lame justification talking points for his army of Useful Idiots to parrot.
He believes the alliance is weak and divided and filled with conspiracy theorists that will undermine the obvious self-interest of Western nations to stand firm against his aggression.
If all else fails, he believes he has a higher pain tolerance and with enough casualties NATO will break apart and US Useful Idiots will demand we get out.
And yet you are the one pretending that the west hasn't doesn't anything in the last 30 years in the middle east to undermine trust and relations with Russia. Only the UN is allowed to invade and take out leaders, right lybia, right multiple countries in Africa, right almost Syria? Right Iraq? Right Kuwait? Who said America had the right to do that? I certainly dont agree with those countries, but we had no right to be there. If I recall, the west stole Crimea from Russia for THEIR benefit, and when the US elected a weak fraud, they took it back, just like what you are seeing now. See what happens when you allow weakness to prevail due to spite?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 01:03:02 PM
If I recall, the west stole Crimea from Russia for THEIR benefit, and when the US elected a weak fraud, they took it back, just like what you are seeing now. See what happens when you allow weakness to prevail due to spite?
I don't pretend anything. My position is that russia cannot be allowed to absorb other countries in Europe by wars of aggression. Period. Ukraine won't be the last, jsut as Georgia wasn't, just as Crimea wasn't.
Crimea was acknowledged as Ukrainian territory by the 1997 Russian–Ukrainian Friendship Treaty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty) That russia signed and guaranteed Ukraine's territorial sovereignty.
Russia broke that treaty in 2014 with it's illegal invasion of Crimea.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 01:08:27 PM
I don't pretend anything. My position is that russia cannot be allowed to absorb other countries in Europe by wars of aggression. Period. Ukraine won't be the last, jsut as Georgia wasn't, just as Crimea wasn't.
Crimea was acknowledged as Ukrainian territory by the 1997 Russian–Ukrainian Friendship Treaty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty) That russia signed and guaranteed Ukraine's territorial sovereignty.
Russia broke that treaty in 2014 with it's illegal invasion.
Oh gee what else happened in 2014 in Ukraine?
Oh but the west can? Do you support western subversion and quite tactics to force countries hands into their UN agenda 30? Leaders who have randomly died for not going along. Russia was all good on invasions I believe until the UN refused to acknowledge their issues on their border, and then the # one guy involved in that corruption became president of the US which really scared them and forced them to take action as they had no choice, but I digress.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 01:10:12 PM
Yup, it seems you refuse to acknowledge the actual truth of the situation.
The actual truth is that putin intends to conquer and absorb as many countries as necessary to retake the old Soviet Union's geographic choke points.
Are you saying that not liking a neighbors internal politics is sufficient reason in and of itself to invade and absorb their territory?
Did Ukrainian tanks roll into russia in 2014? Did Ukraine launch ballistic missiles into russian cities in 2014? Did I miss that?
Do you not claim there is corruption in the US? Are you claiming that it would be justifiable for the US to be invaded? I literally question which side you would take.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 01:25:45 PM
The actual truth is that putin intends to conquer and absorb as many countries as necessary to retake the old Soviet Union's geographic choke points.
Are you saying that not like a neighbors internal politics is sufficient reason in and of itself to invade and absorb their territory?
Did Ukrainian tanks roll into russia in 2014? Did Ukraine launch ballistic missiles into russian cities in 2014? Did I miss that?
Do you not claim there is corruption in the US? Are you claiming that it would be justifiable for the US to be invaded? I literally question which side you would take.
So you are saying a coup has no impact on relations? Because if you had an agreement with a country, but then a coup happened and that agreement was thus not being honored to the terms it was initially granted on, and could thus be used against your interest, wouldn't you try to take back that area so it couldn't be used against your interest after the agreement was mishandled during a fraudulent change of power in that country?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 01:30:45 PM
So you are saying a coup has no impact on relations? Because if you had an agreement with a country, but then a coup happened and that agreement was thus not being honored to the terms it was initially granted on, and could thus be used against your interest, wouldn't you try to take back that area so it couldn't be used against your interest after the agreement was mishandled during a fraudulent change of power in a country?
If they have concerns they can bring the issue up for debate in the United Nations. They can have a vote in the SC. If they lose, then they lose. They can break off diplomatic and trade relations with the new government if they want. That's their choice.
What they are not entitled to do is invade a country to take it's territory. They would have to right to respond if directly attacked with military force by Ukraine. Which didn't happen.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 02:00:10 PM
If they have concerns they can bring the issue up for debate in the United Nations. They can have a vote in the SC. If they lose, then they lose. They can break off diplomatic and trade relations with the new government if they want. That's their choice.
What they are not entitled to do is invade a country to take it's territory. They would have to right to respond if directly attacked with military force by Ukraine. Which didn't happen.
LOL, wait so the UN is going to do something now :rofl
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 02:02:00 PM
Whats that about "muh weapons of mass destruction" again? Are you saying the countries I mentioned above don't count?
I believe we had a UN authorization of force still in effect since GW1.
And we weren't there to absorb their territory.
Sadaam wasn't abiding by the inspection regime he agreed to in the GW1 armistice, so we exercised our legal authorization. The mistake wasn't that we didn't find WMD. The mistake was we didn't invade 10 years earlier when he first started thwarting inspections.
GW2 was a weapons inspection in force.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 05:12:54 PM
I believe we had a UN authorization of force still in effect since GW1.
And we weren't there to absorb their territory.
Sadaam wasn't abiding by the inspection regime he agreed to in the GW1 armistice, so we exercised our legal authorization. The mistake wasn't that we didn't find WMD. The mistake was we didn't invade 10 years earlier when he first started thwarting inspections.
GW2 was an weapons inspection in force.
Sounds like an excuse. How about Lybia? But you see, you trust an organization trying to push agenda 2030 down our throats with a tranny mafia and Klous Schwab trying to turn the world into a bunch of sissies eating crickets in their houses they dont own. But alas, it's okay when the UN says they are allowed to invade other countries and occupy them for 20 years and remove any leader they don't like...Sounds an awful lot like hypocrisy to me.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 05:17:06 PM
I'll take that as you approve invading countries when it suits your narrative.
Does russia have a UN authorization of force against Ukraine?
The other justification would be under the UN self-defense clause. Did Ukraine attack russia with military force before their invasion?
Nope? Nope?
Then russia gets what it deserves. And we should keep piling it on with everything we got. I don't care if we send trillions of dollars of weapons to Ukraine. With the number of russians they are killing, it is a bargain at twice the price.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: GasTeddy on April 06, 2023, 05:34:59 PM
The one who invades carries the responsibility. How ever they claim they never invaded. I read Russian news and it is just unbelievable, what kind of BS they vomit out. Totally different history, lies and twisted truths. Propaganda against its European neighbors started more than a decade ago. Little by little, at same time censoring other than government controlled media.
Even tombstones and some memorials in Karelia have been changed. Used to be for fallen soldiers of both sides, now they are for those Russians, which Finnish nazis gassed and burned in their concentration camps. In camps, which even Soviets didn't find after WW2...
My country of origin has 1340 km border with Russia. 1939-1940, 1941-1944 in war with Russia. Lost some territories but did not get puppet government. Joined NATO recently just because or Ruski invasion of Ukraine.
I've been in Russia over 30 times, work related visits, twice as a tourist. Nobody not been there and talked with locals cannot get their mindset. They have never lived in free country. From tsar dictatorship to commie one, blink of light during Gorbatschow and Jeltsin periods and then to Putain regime.
I happen to know a guy, former Stasi officer, who has worked with Putain, when he was in Eastern Germany as a KGB officer. According to him, tsar Putain is megalomaniac psychopath. Intelligent, emotionless and blinded by his own excellency. Already then, during Cold War era. And this all was told to me years ago. Years before 24 February 2022.
Whataboutism does not solve things. Yes but and how about it. But, may everyone became blessed with their own believes.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 06:00:20 PM
The one who invades carries the responsibility. How ever they claim they never invaded. I read Russian news and it is just unbelievable, what kind of BS they vomit out. Totally different history, lies and twisted truths. Propaganda against its European neighbors started more than a decade ago. Little by little, at same time censoring other than government controlled media.
I don't know if you have the same problem in your country, but we have a certain ilk who has never tasted a hot load of russian propaganda that they didn't have an reflexive instinct to swallow like candy. As long as it's sufficiently anti-US and anti-NATO, and anti-West enough to get their insurrectionist rocks off.
I guess we are far enough away from a border with russia to have the luxury of tolerating that species of treason.
I hear putin's mouth-pieces are already saying there are lots of Nazis in Poland too that need de-Nazifying. And putin and his other mouth-pieces have already started making speeches about how the Baltic States always really belonged to russia anyway. Fifth Columnists in Moldova are already starting to agitate.
Hitler never stopped voluntarily. He had to be stopped by force. Never appease an expansionist dictator. Not a single inch. Ever.
A hard lesson our grandparents had to learn that many of their weak-minded grandchildren have apparently forgot.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 06:00:39 PM
Does russia have a UN authorization of force against Ukraine?
The other justification would be under the UN self-defense clause. Did Ukraine attack russia with military force before their invasion?
Nope? Nope?
Then russia gets what it deserves. And we should keep piling it on with everything we got. I don't care if we send trillions of dollars of weapons to Ukraine. With the number of russians they are killing, it is a bargain at twice the price.
Strange. I don't remember anyone voting for any members of the UN nor making them the leader of the world. They also disregarded multiple visits by the Russians on their concerns of corruption in Ukraine. They have no authority to invade nations just like you don't believe Russia should. The UN is not to be trusted anymore since they are willingly allowing massive corruption because it's pushing their Agenda 2030 that again, no one voted for.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: -gg- on April 06, 2023, 06:04:10 PM
We have our resident Russian, Borods, at FW. He's also a friend of mine on Facebook.
That guy is completely brainwashed. Russian history is completely upside down and backwards.
Before the invasion of Ukraine when everybody was warning that Russia was going to invade Ukraine, Boroda was dismissing it as lies. He was saying, why would we invade Ukraine? What would we want with Ukraine? They are a drain on Russia anyway.
Sure enough the invasion happened. And now Baroda is championing The Russian invasion even though he's got a brother in Ukraine. He went from saying it was a ridiculous idea that the Russians were going to invade Ukraine to fully supporting the invasion of Ukraine and probably believing that there are Nazis that need to be weeded out. It's totally ridiculous.
And I've known the guy for like 20 years. Through the Gulf wars and all the things he was absolutely wrong about every single thing. And he was just fed propaganda non-stop. But every time he's wrong, it's a cognitive dissonance. He moves on to a different pivot. And nothing is abnormal in his mind.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 06, 2023, 06:04:13 PM
Strange. I don't remember anyone voting for any members of the UN nor making them the leader of the world. They also disregarded multiple visits by the Russians on their concerns of corruption in Ukraine. They have no authority to invade nations just like you don't believe Russia should. The UN is not to be trusted anymore since they are willingly allowing massive corruption because it's pushing their Agenda 2030 that again, no one voted for.
OK, Boris.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: rabbidrabbit on April 06, 2023, 06:05:49 PM
The one who invades carries the responsibility. How ever they claim they never invaded. I read Russian news and it is just unbelievable, what kind of BS they vomit out. Totally different history, lies and twisted truths.
It's amazing how perfectly Dmon's facts line up with the talking points of Russian propaganda geared towards western audiences.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 08:22:28 PM
It's amazing how perfectly Dmon's facts line up with the talking points of Russian propaganda geared towards western audiences.
And tell me what's propaganda about UN agenda 2030 working with Klous Schwab of the WEF and the Great Reset? Tell how that agenda includes freedom the way we see it. Tell me how that agenda is pro America and pro western freedom. Russia doesn't have to say anything. This is all written down and in Klous's book. The UN is one sided and is cleary in the pockets of a leftest agenda, which IMO is for more dangerous than Russia. This subversion is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: guncrasher on April 06, 2023, 08:50:59 PM
violator won't the secret 90k indictments stop the big reset?
semp
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 06, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
I don't know if you have the same problem in your country, but we have a certain ilk who has never tasted a hot load of Russian propaganda that they didn't have an reflexive instinct to swallow like candy. As long as it's sufficiently anti-US and anti-NATO, and anti-West enough to get their insurrectionist rocks off.
In Finland, they are small minority. People still remember, how Soviet Russia decided to liberate us from the suppression of free market economy, but we didn't agree, and that created some live-ammo bang bang in the border. And of course, in Russian history Finland was the invader. Country on that time 3,5 million population was trying to take Leningrad (nowadays Sankt Petersburg), which had already then more people. We also see Russian demands of Baltic countries back as ridiculous, as they have been much longer under Sweden than Russia. For example Finland was over 600 years part of Sweden and then 108 years as an autonomic grand duchy of Russia before independency. And even Russian city Novgorod has Viking origin, so perhaps Sweden could take it back?
I live nowadays in Bulgaria, Black Sea map, in a valley west from big mountains approximately half way in distance between bases 54-55. Here Russophiles are much more numerous because of historical reasons. In the Russo-Turkish War of 1877–1878, that time tsar Alexander IIs Russia liberated Bulgaria after five centuries of Turkish rule. There were volunteering Ukrainians, Byelorussians, Finns and Poles in Russian army and also Romania, Serbia and Montenegro joined in as Russia’s allies. And many Bulgarians do not want to understand, it's totally different Russia nowadays under tsar Putains rule than it was then, when Emperor Alexander II was in power. He was so famous and liked that even Finns put his statue in the middle of senate square in Helsinki and it is still there. Tsar Putain will never have it.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: rabbidrabbit on April 07, 2023, 05:22:26 AM
And tell me what's propaganda about UN agenda 2030 working with Klous Schwab of the WEF and the Great Reset? Tell how that agenda includes freedom the way we see it. Tell me how that agenda is pro America and pro western freedom. Russia doesn't have to say anything. This is all written down and in Klous's book. The UN is one sided and is cleary in the pockets of a leftest agenda, which IMO is for more dangerous than Russia. This subversion is unacceptable.
Whatboutism does not change the legitimacy of my point which is indeed spot on.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 07, 2023, 08:01:25 AM
The collapse of the us dollar is what this thread was about
It sadly includes about all the crazy in the world today
Just stating when it happens and the following kaos created will allow restrictions like never before
I think the demise of the dollar and the damage it would do to other countries might change how they view a brics reality
Good to know we are the best smelling turd in the pile..but for how long
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 07, 2023, 09:02:13 AM
Whatboutism does not change the legitimacy of my point which is indeed spot on.
You ever see an octopus when cornered squirt a big black cloud of ink so it can slip away from it's attacker in the confusion?
Dmonslyer and his ilk do the same thing. When he realizes he has been cornered and is losing one thread of argument, he will flood the zone with crap and throw up a thousand QAnon conspiracies hoping to escape while is adversary is shaking their head trying to make sense of the dribble.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 07, 2023, 09:22:22 AM
You ever see an octopus when cornered squirt a big black cloud of ink so it can slip away from it's attacker in the confusion?
Dmonslyer and his ilk do the same thing. When he realizes he has been cornered and is losing one thread of argument, he will flood the zone with crap and throw up a thousand QAnon conspiracies hoping to escape while is adversary is shaking their head trying to make sense of the dribble.
Tell me how a UN prese conference is a Qanon conspiracy theory? I'll wait. Why should we trust the UN when it wrote off Russias countless visits peacefully to the UN to express their concerns with corruption with Ukraine? You never answered how many times Russia went to the UN BTW. Neither you nor Rabit nor Teddy will admit it. The UN created this mess because they act like the petulant children they are and allowed serious corruption in Ukraine because it pushed it their stupid idiot agenda, and now there are consequences for that.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: rabbidrabbit on April 07, 2023, 09:27:37 AM
You ever see an octopus when cornered squirt a big black cloud of ink so it can slip away from it's attacker in the confusion?
Dmonslyer and his ilk do the same thing. When he realizes he has been cornered and is losing one thread of argument, he will flood the zone with crap and throw up a thousand QAnon conspiracies hoping to escape while is adversary is shaking their head trying to make sense of the dribble.
In fairness to him, he isn't alone. This forum is not a bastion of logic and reason over partisanship. Which is really sad considering how few people are here. I was simply pointing out the obvious that his understanding of reality in regards to the UA war is entirely aligned point by point with disinfo operations that the Russians have been focusing towards people like him in western countries.
That should indicate to him that his "facts" are not facts but spoonfed talking points specifically designed to manipulate him and he should ask serious questions about the sources of his information and whether they are the bastion of truth he religiously tells people they are. I don't think he can do this but I'm doing him the favor of pointing it out with the hope that someday the light might click on.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 07, 2023, 09:53:31 AM
In fairness to him, he isn't alone. This forum is not a bastion of logic and reason over partisanship. Which is really sad considering how few people are here. I was simply pointing out the obvious that his understanding of reality in regards to the UA war is entirely aligned point by point with disinfo operations that the Russians have been focusing towards people like him in western countries.
That should indicate to him that his "facts" are not facts but spoonfed talking points specifically designed to manipulate him and he should ask serious questions about the sources of his information and whether they are the bastion of truth he religiously tells people they are. I don't think he can do this but I'm doing him the favor of pointing it out with the hope that someday the light might click on.
And yet, you provide no examples, where as I have posted a UN pres conference moving forward with Klous Schwab and the WEF Agenda 2030, which you havent read, who has written a book called the "great reset" which essentially would esnlave us all to this system, and has global enfluencers they are trying to install in governments around the world to enact this agenda. Yet you pretend it's all fake. Imagine that for a second. Its in your face and you don't even see it while trying to say I'm posting propaganda. It's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: rabbidrabbit on April 07, 2023, 10:19:29 AM
And yet, you provide no examples, where as I have posted a UN pres conference moving forward with Klous Schwab and the WEF Agenda 2030, which you havent read, who has written a book called the "great reset" which essentially would esnlave us all to this system, and has global enfluencers they are trying to install in governments around the world to enact this agenda. Yet you pretend it's all fake. Imagine that for a second. Its in your face and you don't even see it while trying to say I'm posting propaganda. It's just ridiculous.
Ridiculous is being so unable to separate your thought patterns from your narrative that you are still recycling whataboutisms as if they are some sort of rebuttal of the actual point.
I know it's hard to separate oneself from religious beliefs and return to reason but maybe this chart can help you out. You went one step too far and confused it for Wisdom
For the Dollar to collapse, something has to take it's place.
What is that? Euro? Yen? Ruble? Yuan? Crypto? :rofl
If there is no viable replacement that is MORE trustworthy, then there will be no collapse.
So what replaces it?
My guess is fednow is the beginning of our dollar replacement
Digital..from there I think it will be much easier to take us out of reserve currency
It doesn't have to be replaced just taken outof the reserve currency title thus destroying it and the United States eventually
Countries just have to agree to use their own currency for international transactions and not have to convert to our inflation destroyed currency..it's already happening
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 07, 2023, 10:44:40 AM
Countries just have to agree to use their own currency for international transactions and not have to convert to our inflation destroyed currency..it's already happening
They can use their own currencies now it they want, but they don't. When Bangladesh buys pasta from Italy, whose currency will they use? The Taka? :rofl The Lira? :rofl :rofl
First the country has to have an economy large enough to have enough currency in circulation to cover the international transactions. Otherwise international commerce cannot take place. If they printed more of their money to cover international transactions, then they create inflation destroying any benefit.
So what country has an currency volume as large as ours with less inflation?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: GasTeddy on April 07, 2023, 12:04:38 PM
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: guncrasher on April 07, 2023, 01:24:57 PM
Mayan used cocoa beans as a form of currency, I guess money used to grow on trees.
semp
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 07, 2023, 02:05:10 PM
FEDNOW is paper money going digital- the first step in replacing it imo. It will be how the fed directly supports weak banks at first until everyone has to be on board to be competitive.
If a local currency has to be converted to $$$ for transactions they already have the local currency they need
Do you think countries will continue to sacrifice their standard of living to support our bloated one?
I mean if they are not forced to with threats of Iraq, Libya and Egypt just to name a few..if they don't
You know like it is today..
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 07, 2023, 02:40:54 PM
FEDNOW is paper money going digital- the first step in replacing it imo. It will be how the fed directly supports weak banks at first until everyone has to be on board to be competitive.
If a local currency has to be converted to $$$ for transactions they already have the local currency they need
Do you think countries will continue to sacrifice their standard of living to support our bloated one?
I mean if they are not forced to with threats of Iraq, Libya and Egypt just to name a few..if they don't
You know like it is today..
Eagler
I'm not sure you are understanding my point.
Who ever is the reserve currency has to have enough in circulation for their own needs and to cover all other international transactions simultaneously everywhere all over the world.
Just because Italy might have enough Lira to buy a million barrels of oil doesn't mean there are enough Lira in circulation for all countries all over the world to transact their trade in Lira simultaneously. They would have to massively expand their money supply to allow that volume with predictable results.
What country has that volume of currency in distribution to cover all trades and has less inflation than the US?
Euro is the only thing close, but they have too many problems. The EU only barely hangs together with duct tape. Their inflation is worse than ours. They are not energy independent. They have little consistent monetary policy between members. It is not going to be the Reserve.
Everyone else is significantly worse than that.
So again, what country has that volume of currency in distribution to cover all trades and has less inflation than the US?
So what I am saying is the need for a reserve currency is not there if countries agree to use their own .. see Brazil and China since last week
There is no rule saying countries can't do that at any time. Countries don't for their own self interest. Using USD reduces the carry risk for deals that might take months or years to complete. You don't want to do it in a currency that might change wildly in value or be re-pegged the whim of an authoritarian government or vanish when when that country dissolves into a coup. My guess is china sweetened to pot to get Brazil to take Yuan. If you discount enough, you could get someone to take crypto. Someone just has to do the risk analysis and decide how much above market they have to get paid to account for the increased risk. China is probably willing to pay that for to spit at the US.
It's not a think you will see a lot of. The USD is just more stable and less risk and everybody takes it.
It's like two fat chicks in high school sitting at a lunch table and forming their own fat girls club. Everyone else just looks at them and shrugs. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 07, 2023, 07:34:19 PM
What was Ghadafi trying to do before "the west" invaded.
Do your own research.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: sparky127 on April 07, 2023, 08:09:32 PM
Tldnr...
Want there a very similar thread here about twenty years ago?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 07, 2023, 09:39:33 PM
Wars are always endless.
It's the natural state of mankind. More human than having opposable thumbs.
Always has been; always will be. (With small breaks occasionally to rearm and replenish the population.)
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: GasTeddy on April 08, 2023, 02:51:17 AM
What was Ghadafi trying to do before "the west" invaded.
Yep, gold dinar. That's true mistake what west did. Gaddafi kept North Africa in law and order. Iron fist in silk glove. Never visited the country, but those been there been telling it was welfare country with law and order.
It's the natural state of mankind. More human than having opposable thumbs.
Always has been; always will be. (With small breaks occasionally to rearm and replenish the population.)
Unfortunately it seems to be like that. We need some kind of intelligent life form into this planet to fix that. When do we ever learn? (https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/timeline-of-20th-and-21st-century-wars)
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 08, 2023, 07:52:06 AM
As long as wars make those that instigate them and do not have to participate in them very very very rich and powerful...they will always be around
Just a matter of spinning up the correct patriotic motivation to originally sell it to the masses...since once they start them they are hard to stop especially when they are started without an exit plan
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: GasTeddy on April 09, 2023, 12:32:28 PM
As long as wars make those that instigate them and do not have to participate in them very very very rich and powerful...they will always be around
Just a matter of spinning up the correct patriotic motivation to originally sell it to the masses...since once they start them they are hard to stop especially when they are started without an exit plan
Eagler
Pretty much like that. Give lemmings a reason to run down cliff and they do it without questions.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: FLOOB on April 09, 2023, 11:49:02 PM
It's the natural state of mankind. More human than having opposable thumbs.
Always has been; always will be. (With small breaks occasionally to rearm and replenish the population.)
Is it the natural state of mankind? Or is it behavior caused by overpopulation? Take chimpanzees and bonobos for example. Chimps live in an area where they are forced to complete for resources. Perhaps as a result they exist in a constant state of war. On the other side of the Congo river lives the dwarf chimpanzee aka bonobo. These apes live in a world of plenty with an excess of resources Bonobos don’t kill each other, they don’t fight over territory they’re super chill compared to the chimps across the river. All they do is play eat and have lots and lots of sex. As far as I can tell human migrations, famine and war have been a thing since the beginning of recorded history. All three of those things are usually symptoms of overpopulation in animal species. As far as we can tell, humans already inhabited every significant piece of land across the globe before writing was invented. It’s possible humans have existed in a state of overpopulation and competition since before Stonehenge and the pyramids.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: guncrasher on April 10, 2023, 01:01:35 AM
I remember the first gulf War, first time I held a rifle in anger, jk. I want angry.
since then it's been endless wars and we supposed to believe it's something new. tell that to my son, I miss him.
semp
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: rabbidrabbit on April 10, 2023, 04:40:25 AM
Is it the natural state of mankind? Or is it behavior caused by overpopulation? Take chimpanzees and bonobos for example. Chimps live in an area where they are forced to complete for resources. Perhaps as a result they exist in a constant state of war. On the other side of the Congo river lives the dwarf chimpanzee aka bonobo. These apes live in a world of plenty with an excess of resources Bonobos don’t kill each other, they don’t fight over territory they’re super chill compared to the chimps across the river. All they do is play eat and have lots and lots of sex. As far as I can tell human migrations, famine and war have been a thing since the beginning of recorded history. All three of those things are usually symptoms of overpopulation in animal species. As far as we can tell, humans already inhabited every significant piece of land across the globe before writing was invented. It’s possible humans have existed in a state of overpopulation and competition since before Stonehenge and the pyramids.
What you describe is the proverbial rats in a cage experiments where if you put one rat in a cage and randomly shock him he will have anxiety towards the expected shocks but if you add a second rat the two rats will fight each other after being shocked. Each rat essentially takes out that anxiety on the other as they then have an avenue to focus their discontent.
I don't think you can level the blame for that "shock" in human society as overpopulation as most counties have leveled off and many are actually losing population as we have moved from an agrarian society to an industrial one. The global population growth is centered in 3rd world areas and even there population growth is subsiding. Essentially population growth has adjusted to changes in how the world lives.
Much more so, you can fairly associate those "shocks" to political activism and social mechanism like social media like we have been seeing in the US especially over the last 10 years. Look at how well divisiveness sells and how these "issues" keep coming up in coordinated ways. What's the divisive hot button talking point this week? Last week? They all blend together over time and if you look into the messaging it's hard to think that different groups of people are not being manipulated against other groups of people to keep them busy and disorganized against those who drive the dischord.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: FLOOB on April 10, 2023, 05:42:42 AM
The question was, is war really just natural inate human behavior.
I was not talking about the rats in a cage experiment and shocks. The rats are fed and captive, removed from any ecological factors. I don’t believe ten thousand years of human organized group violence is the product of politically charged social media. The navajo didn’t leave Canada 500 years ago because of social media.That sounds like some graham hancock toejam. And I don’t believe that the human population is shrinking. I know the human population has been growing at an ever accelerating rate since at least the ice age.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: rabbidrabbit on April 10, 2023, 06:03:08 AM
The question was, is war really just natural inate human behavior.
Obviously yes. It is a socially acceptable path along the continuum of diplomacy.
You missed my point on the other issues.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: FLOOB on April 10, 2023, 06:55:56 AM
I disagree that it is innate natural behavior. Killing isn’t socially acceptable behavior in fact killing is the most antisocial thing a person can do. And diplomacy is the opposite of violence.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 10, 2023, 08:22:21 AM
Violence/war seems more profitable than diplomacy/peace these days
As Russia, China and others are now directly threatening the strength of the US dollar more conflict is in our near future not less sadly imo
They will spin up reasons for it, it won't be sold as what it is
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 10, 2023, 08:36:49 AM
I disagree that it is innate natural behavior. Killing isn’t socially acceptable behavior in fact killing is the most antisocial thing a person can do. And diplomacy is the opposite of violence.
"Socially acceptable." That applies to within ones perceived tribe. That also only applies to killing for ones personal reasons. Killing outside of the tribe, directed by the tribe isn't called murder. It's call patriotism.
A different tribe, a different religion, a different color, a different language and it's game on.
We have records of war as far back as we have writing. Battle of Kadesh, Troy, etc. Over population wasn't a issue then. I remember reading about neolithic sites in Britain where evidence of a last stand of some tribal group in a village bounded by earth berm fortification. Littered with arrow points an skeletal remains. Men, women, children. I'd be surprised if there were million people in all of Britain at that point, spread between Cornwall and Scapa Flow. Somebody thought someone else was the "other".
I have my suspicions on what happened to the Neanderthals.
The rat experiment you mention is an example of what I would call of intra-tribe warfare. Even the tribe can breakdown under extreme pressure. A similar case on Easter Island in it's past.
So one big human tribe? Nope. If a tribe gets big, there is an inherent human reflex to begin to fracture into sub-tribes. North vs South, Balkanization, etc.
More human that opposable thumbs. Always has been; always will be.
I disagree that it is innate natural behavior. Killing isn’t socially acceptable behavior in fact killing is the most antisocial thing a person can do. And diplomacy is the opposite of violence.
Humanity has been killing each other for its entire existence. That makes it innate natural behavior. You are assigning moral values instead of assessing it.
Violence / war is a form of diplomacy. It is just on one side of the continuum.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 10, 2023, 12:50:41 PM
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Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 11, 2023, 05:46:17 PM
Finance guy I follow .. about as concerned as I have seen him so far
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 11, 2023, 08:44:56 PM
It's unfortunate that so many people have been propagandized to support the pure leadership incompetence while attacking the only guy in the last 35 years that actually had the power to make America stronger and keep our adversaries from going in. What a disgrace. Did you see Kirbys weak Asz talk about how the US doesn't acknowledge Taiwans independence? What a disgrace. Ohh, but UKraine gets to have theirs right? They can do whatever they want against Russias wishes and concerns with what went on on their border. But God forbid acknowledge Taiwan because China said so. What a disgrace.
If I were American leaders, I'd pull everything out of China right now and start it right in America. It would completely debilitate their economy while building ours up and making our dollar even stronger. Sure there might be some toughness in the short run, but its the only way to stop China from this now very probable attack on Taiwan. You stop everything right now and I guarantee you China would think twice.
I don't believe major business leaders in America will do it though because they are communist Marxist cowards who are seething at the teeth to push their NWO takeover with China, UN and WEF/World Bank. Make no mistake.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: guncrasher on April 11, 2023, 10:15:48 PM
violator you to young to remember but that guy in the 80s made it easier to send jobs overseas as a way to compete. still remember when mah bell sent all operators jobs to India or somewhere over there.
still remember secretaries making 70 or 80k in the 80s because he wanted a 400 navy ships. people think this just started. that's the biggest joke.
and no to your claim q didn't exist.
semp
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 12, 2023, 10:09:46 PM
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: guncrasher on April 12, 2023, 11:00:21 PM
violator nobody wins in trade wars, we as users lose.
look what happened at the last one we spent more money. we paid for that trade war.
semp
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 13, 2023, 07:43:57 AM
Sadly this just confirms the real reason the globe is forced to use the dollar...our military might and the threat of force not anything else
Many countries already figured that out the hard way
This is the main reason we are in Ukraine imo
As stated in my linked video it doesn't have to collapse just weaken to the point others lose confidence
Thank God for the killing power of our military might eh?
Eagler
That wasn't my take away at all from watching the same video you did. It's easy to see what you let yourself become conditioned to see but you should be asking yourself if that is the life you want to live. I'm not saying your world view is all wrong, I'm saying you would benefit from hitting the reset button and applying a critical thought process in all directions.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 13, 2023, 07:59:22 AM
My take is that our military is our enforcement of the reserve currency as we devalue and weaponize it for our own benefit
All other countries are worse than America so can't be the reserve currency
I don't think we need one these days so what would replace the dollar is not a question imo
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 13, 2023, 08:26:58 AM
violator nobody wins in trade wars, we as users lose.
look what happened at the last one we spent more money. we paid for that trade war.
semp
Semp, we are paying dearly now for the consequences of giving away our manufacturing might to countries like China who manipulate their currency and bascially use slave labor in order to give "cheap prices" that effectively only benefited the leaders and shareholders of such businesses due to massive gross margins. Regulators effectively made America too expensive to manufacture and thus gave incentive to move to countries with less regulation. Then those companies want to force even more regulation on American business to stifle competition while they go to places with horrendous working conditions.
Now we've built up a demonic techno commie country with 1.5B people who are threatening the world with their commie control along with buying land and business in America. Along with building up assets in Canada on our border. Who now threaten to take over the world with big tech and social credit monitoring.
Do you realize what we've done? The only thing we can do now is to pull out and stop continuing to build up China's economy while they threaten the world with their totalitarian rule. And let me tell you, it's far far far worse than Russias.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2023, 08:35:38 AM
How does international preference for the USD as the Reserve Currency cause a murderous russian dictator to invade Ukraine in an illegal and immoral expansionist land grab?
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 13, 2023, 08:45:39 AM
How does international preference for the USD as the Reserve Currency cause a murderous russian dictator to invade Ukraine in an illegal and immoral expansionist land grab?
It's the latest excuse to print trillions of dollars and demonize anyone who is against it
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2023, 08:46:51 AM
It's the latest excuse to print trillions of dollars and demonize anyone who is against it
Eagler
You should form a "Blame America First" Party.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 13, 2023, 08:55:22 AM
Not blaming anyone just trying to figure it out with the facts presented and not just swallowing the msm bs without thought as the majority does these days...gives them time to sit online and get their swift tickets. :rolleyes:
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2023, 09:04:27 AM
Not blaming anyone just trying to figure it out with the facts presented and not just swallowing the msm bs without thought as the majority does these days...gives them time to sit online and get their swift tickets. :rolleyes:
Eagler
People like you and DmonSlyr obsess over conspiracies because they make you feel special. They make you feel like you have secret knowledge that the "Sheeple" don't have. That you have special insights that the "Sheeple" can't see.
The real facts are dead simple. Putin invaded Ukraine because he wants to take their territory and doesn't believe Ukraine is a "real" country anyway. And he miscalculated and thought he could finish it in a week before the West had time to react. Basic Smash-n-Grab caper gone wrong.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 13, 2023, 09:56:27 AM
People like you and DmonSlyr obsess over conspiracies because they make you feel special. They make you feel like you have secret knowledge that the "Sheeple" don't have. That you have special insights that the "Sheeple" can't see.
The real facts are dead simple. Putin invaded Ukraine because he wants to take their territory and doesn't believe Ukraine is a "real" country anyway. And he miscalculated and thought he could finish it in a week before the West had time to react. Basic Smash-n-Grab caper gone wrong.
:rofl these aren't "conspiracy theories". These are reality that you and others refuse to acknowledge because they want an agenda pushed and expect their sheep to follow without doing any actual research. And yes, there are plenty of sheep who take lying corrupt POS media word for it because they don't have time to research. Quite frankly, the labeling of things you haven't looked into as "conspiracy theory" because you refuse to makes you the sheep. Which is why the war continues. We believe in American prosperity. Not what the UN unelected government wants. Not what the WEF unelected economic criminals want. Not what China or Russia wants. They got the world into this mess so don't come over here claiming "conspiracy theories" when they throw it in your face and you refuse acknowledge.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2023, 10:28:59 AM
:rofl these aren't "conspiracy theories". These are reality that you and others refuse to acknowledge because they want an agenda pushed and expect their sheep to follow without doing any actual research. And yes, there are plenty of sheep who take lying corrupt POS media word for it because they don't have time to research. Quite frankly, the labeling of things you haven't looked into as "conspiracy theory" because you refuse to makes you the sheep. Which is why the war continues. We believe in American prosperity. Not what the UN unelected government wants. Not what the WEF unelected economic criminals want. Not what China or Russia wants. They got the world into this mess so don't come over here claiming "conspiracy theories" when they throw it in your face and you refuse acknowledge.
Aren't you special.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 13, 2023, 10:30:28 AM
Lol sorry but I don't feel special .. but you seem to know me better than I do myself :aok
I sometimes wish I was as ignorant as most seem to be these days
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2023, 10:53:58 AM
That's because you are burdened by your special insights that the "Sheeple" just can't see.
That is where you are incorrect
I don't care what others think
I state my opinion here for conversation sake only.
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 13, 2023, 11:55:13 AM
A dairy farm with 18,000 cows blows up, among all of the other bird flus, Factories blowing up and so on. But nope, ain't a damn thing going on in America. I'm sure it's alllllll natural accidents. Nothing to see here in America. But I just cannot understand why the rest of the world is losing so much trust in us. 🤔
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2023, 12:16:07 PM
"The two nations were engaged in 18 different joint projects in 2019, he said, including troops being sent between the countries and Canada providing training to high-ranking Chinese generals.
'It is a shock to Canadians,' Levant said. 'That cold-weather warfare you are referring to is just one of 18 different joint projects the Canadian armed forces had with the People's Liberation Army in 2019 alone. 'Canada is training one and two start Chinese generals in our war colleges, training lieutenants and majors, commanders.'"
Btw, whose entire foundation leadership just resigned from taking payments from Chinese officials? ;)
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2023, 12:46:48 PM
What does the WEF, great reset, UN, green new deal and the left all have to say about cows? Who specifically stated about eating crickets? Who recently attacked methane gas as a problem of global warming? Did methane tanks blow up here? When has that ever happened on a dairy farm, I'm curious?
Hint. Do some actual research. But again, I'm sure it's all a coincidence right?
Only you are trying to make it about Jews which Ive never mentioned. For what it's worth, I'm married to one. 🤷♂️
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2023, 01:18:01 PM
Only you are trying to make it about Jews which Ive never mentioned.
Of course not. Does anyone else find that strange??? Maybe you're being suppressed by a certain Jewish operative. Working for Soros and the International New World Order of Reptilian Illuminati, no doubt.
You're not fooling anyone. If you're not free to speak openly, blink twice.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 13, 2023, 02:25:18 PM
They won't have to fire a shot if they destroy us economically first
They saw what was possible with just an accidental death of a career criminal...no telling the level of violence that could be unleashed with the right level of civil unrest
We would implode all on our own imo
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: guncrasher on April 13, 2023, 03:14:49 PM
What does the WEF, great reset, UN, green new deal and the left all have to say about cows? Who specifically stated about eating crickets? Who recently attacked methane gas as a problem of global warming? Did methane tanks blow up here? When has that ever happened on a dairy farm, I'm curious?
Hint. Do some actual research. But again, I'm sure it's all a coincidence right?
Only you are trying to make it about Jews which Ive never mentioned. For what it's worth, I'm married to one. 🤷♂️
omg, some of us have been eating crickets since basically when we were born.
and nobody is forcing you to eat them. somebody said eat tofu, couldn't tell you what it tastes like.
semp
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: guncrasher on April 13, 2023, 05:39:46 PM
"The two nations were engaged in 18 different joint projects in 2019, he said, including troops being sent between the countries and Canada providing training to high-ranking Chinese generals.
'It is a shock to Canadians,' Levant said. 'That cold-weather warfare you are referring to is just one of 18 different joint projects the Canadian armed forces had with the People's Liberation Army in 2019 alone. 'Canada is training one and two start Chinese generals in our war colleges, training lieutenants and majors, commanders.'"
Btw, whose entire foundation leadership just resigned from taking payments from Chinese officials? ;)
so what I see is our president in 19 and 20 allowed this.
aemp
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 13, 2023, 08:28:48 PM
The record corruption Violator is pointing out is part of the problem
Bigger issue is the majority does not seem to care as long as that obvious corruption and lying helps "their"side
The fact we have sides against each other shows they have successfully separated and turned us against each other while they carry on laughing all the way to the bank
Sounds like the fed meeting in May is critical
Now odds are showing another. 25 raise but the spoiled on free money market is still betting for a pause and decrease in rates by September
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: SNO on April 14, 2023, 07:49:53 AM
The fact we have sides against each other shows they have successfully separated and turned us against each other while they carry on laughing all the way to the bank
Eagler
^^^^^^This^^^^^^
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: morfiend on April 14, 2023, 10:16:08 AM
"The two nations were engaged in 18 different joint projects in 2019, he said, including troops being sent between the countries and Canada providing training to high-ranking Chinese generals.
'It is a shock to Canadians,' Levant said. 'That cold-weather warfare you are referring to is just one of 18 different joint projects the Canadian armed forces had with the People's Liberation Army in 2019 alone. 'Canada is training one and two start Chinese generals in our war colleges, training lieutenants and majors, commanders.'"
Btw, whose entire foundation leadership just resigned from taking payments from Chinese officials? ;)
So some war games and schooling equates to building assets….ok.
If you saw the amount of foreign students there are at our schools it would blow your mind. Pick a country,any country and I’d bet you’d find a student at one of our schools.
Despite what the article states Canadians aren’t shocked,most simply don’t care. The students come here and spend coin lots of it.
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 14, 2023, 10:33:20 AM
Hardware from China, software programming from Russia and its buddies..now India..how many Indians does your company employ both onshore and offshore? Mine has more a ton more in it than American contractors..
But that combo produces the most profit so..
What can possibly go wrong? Lol
Eagler
Title: Re: Bye bye dollar hello endless wars
Post by: Eagler on April 16, 2023, 10:31:24 AM