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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: craz07 on June 21, 2014, 12:56:14 PM
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Now I'm not one to complain about the game.. but the bailing thing is annoying.. That is just weak and pathetic.. If you don't want to fight, don't even "up" This is the result of cowardice and weakness on the bailers part..
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Now I'm not one to complain about the game..
And yet here you are sharing your frustration. :D
Make them bail before they drop. Let them be frustrated too. :aok
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Yeah, AH needs to bring back the not-able-to-end-sortie-until-on-the-ground feature.
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Yeah, AH needs to bring back the not-able-to-end-sortie-until-on-the-ground feature.
point the nose down till you are in the ground. that feature never left.
semp
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Agreed that there are many things that other peeps do that is frustrating to others :furious however, it is their $14.95 :devil to do as they wish within the parameters of the game :headscratch: . I think that it should be put in that if you bail and are within icon range period and not just within 2k, a proxy should be awarded :banana: .
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It gets to the point now if they see dar bar even they bail.
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Maybe the haven't heard how the buff guns are too effective. :devil
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perhaps theyre working on their Achievements........ its kind of hard to complain about something that is being specifically rewarded
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Agreed that there are many things that other peeps do that is frustrating to others :furious however, it is their $14.95 :devil to do as they wish within the parameters of the game :headscratch: . I think that it should be put in that if you bail and are within icon range period and not just within 2k, a proxy should be awarded :banana: .
This....
that way everyone can make fun of them on 200 :D
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maybe they're a 999000 wannabe and haven't mastered zen gunnery so they bail instead. sorry 999000, this is meant as a compliment to you!
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999 is an interactive AI Hitech has been working on since AW....... :aok
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Agreed that there are many things that other peeps do that is frustrating to others :furious however, it is their $14.95 :devil to do as they wish within the parameters of the game :headscratch: . I think that it should be put in that if you bail and are within icon range period and not just within 2k, a proxy should be awarded :banana: .
14.95.....!!!! I must be doing something wrong.
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Agreed that there are many things that other peeps do that is frustrating to others :furious however, it is their $14.95 :devil to do as they wish within the parameters of the game :headscratch: . I think that it should be put in that if you bail and are within icon range period and not just within 2k, a proxy should be awarded :banana: .
I agree great proxy idea..
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I don't see where complaining about someone else's gameplay (or lack of) has done any good.. ever.
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bailed from my 262 once :bhead
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There was another guy long ago, that used a David Spade avatar. If that's not you and you haven't been around that long, look up all the bomb and bail threads. All of these suggestions to stop them have been made; nothing been done. In the past year I've commented in prolly 3 of those and started one myself...
Obviously HTC thinks it's fine to do.
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Obviously HTC thinks it's fine to do.
Or they think none of the "solutions" presented would actually work ;)
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I suppose, but due to lack of ever hearing a comment about it from them makes it easy to conclude they don't care.
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bailed from my 262 once :bhead
Me too, I was trying to press the check six button while looking at the screen. :old:
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I suppose, but due to lack of ever hearing a comment about it from them makes it easy to conclude they don't care.
There had been comments in the past.
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I disagree Craz....how people choose to play is their $14.95 a month choice.
1SKYDIVE
"Devils "X" Rejects"
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I suppose, but due to lack of ever hearing a comment about it from them makes it easy to conclude they don't care.
This
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This I am trying to forget.
fixed.
semp
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Now I'm not one to complain about the game.. but the bailing thing is annoying.. That is just weak and pathetic.. This is the result of cowardice and weakness on the bailers part..
"We have an achievement for that!" :rofl
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Oh wait...
Nevermind...
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I disagree Craz....how people choose to play is their $14.95 a month choice.
1SKYDIVE
"Devils "X" Rejects"
Funny stuff, especially with the sig :lol
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Eh hem...
:bolt:
(http://scanfree.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/chese-300x212.jpg)
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The "bomb & bail" thing is probably generational. These are most likely the same instant gratification kids who play combat FPS's where you res, run back into the fight to kill the guy who last killed you, and then get killed yourself. 15 seconds max, then lather, rinse, repeat. These are the same guys who die at a camped spawn 30 times in a row. It pretty much describes their mind set, but they're also the age demographic that HTC needs to court to stay in business.
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fixed because my command of the English language is hampered by lack of command of the English language
semp
This
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Lately I have been flying my fighter up to bombers and bailing. HA HA, beat you to the punch! :x
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Agreed that there are many things that other peeps do that is frustrating to others :furious however, it is their $14.95 :devil to do as they wish within the parameters of the game :headscratch: . I think that it should be put in that if you bail and are within icon range period and not just within 2k, a proxy should be awarded :banana: .
why should someone be awarded a proxy kill, I mean who would want a cowards bail to count as a kill.
now I can see if you put a bunch of lead in him and then he bails that's just considered a kill, but seriously who really wants a proxy kill :uhoh I mean if you need a kill that bad. :D
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I cant help but bail... the thought of fighting it out with a bad guy makes me pee myself. :frown:
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Lately I have been flying my fighter up to bombers and bailing. HA HA, beat you to the punch! :x
:rofl
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I cant help but bail... the thought of fighting it out with a bad guy makes me pee myself. :frown:
Depends...
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this upsets me only when people other than muppets bail out.
why didnt you ask for it to be fixed when your own glorious muppet squadie choose to bail out a billion times in a row. where was your indignation then? :bolt:
semp
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why didnt you ask for it to be fixed when your own glorious muppet squadie choose to bail out a billion times in a row. where was your indignation then? :bolt:
semp
In my PM to him announcing what a tool I thought he was for doing it. Thanks. What else you got? My guess? not much
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Lately I have been flying my fighter up to bombers and bailing. HA HA, beat you to the punch! :x
:rofl
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Lately I have been flying my fighter up to bombers and bailing. HA HA, beat you to the punch! :x
Is that a new squad SOP? I must have missed the memo will commence bail first operations henceforth.
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Don't see it much... Last night, I killed a fairly brave and skilled dude who upped twice to (get this) dogfight my easy mode Spit XVI (with scowls cast at those who fly nothing else) with his Pony. I almost didn't want to kill him. Salute goes to Taters... he flies the Pony well. Next tour, if I see him, I'll be back in a tougher ride. Still, I call that balls.
Generally, lately, I'm seeing good fights. THe furballs get a little annoying but I haven't seen a bail in quite a while.
BTW, Schen can kill the Spixteen from his KI and make me look foolish... but generally, the former deserves a perk.
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Is that a new squad SOP? I must have missed the memo will commence bail first operations henceforth.
As soon as you get icon on those buffs BAIL OUT! Then tell them they were pawnt on channel 200. :D
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As soon as you get icon on those buffs BAIL OUT! Then tell them they were pawnt on channel 200. :D
WHO SAYS pawt its pwned as in this awesome old video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVCylMVMTiI&feature=kp
nsfw AND IS LOUD
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WHO SAYS pawt its pwned as in this awesome old video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVCylMVMTiI&feature=kp
nsfw AND IS LOUD
Past tense silly. ;)
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why should someone be awarded a proxy kill, I mean who would want a cowards bail to count as a kill.
now I can see if you put a bunch of lead in him and then he bails that's just considered a kill, but seriously who really wants a proxy kill :uhoh I mean if you need a kill that bad. :D
last week, I climbed up to Rook bombers at 25k on 5 separate occasions, only to have them bail as soon as I got within 2k. I was pretty disappointed after reviewing film to learn that 3 of those 5 were veteran players. WHY should I be awarded proxy kills ? because I spent my time climbing up to them, and interrupting their objective. and I deserve to get my name in lights and proceed to call them out on 200 for being dweebs.
The "bomb & bail" thing is probably generational. These are most likely the same instant gratification kids who play combat FPS's where you res, run back into the fight to kill the guy who last killed you, and then get killed yourself. 15 seconds max, then lather, rinse, repeat. These are the same guys who die at a camped spawn 30 times in a row. It pretty much describes their mind set, but they're also the age demographic that HTC needs to court to stay in business.
I disagree. This demographic comes and goes. they find a new game every month. The demographic HTC needs to court is the more mature crowd. The ones who want to immerse themselves in the game, Learn the planes, Learn ACM, THESE are the folks that have been around, and will stay around. it's their $15 a month that has kept HTC in business year after year.
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I disagree. This demographic comes and goes. they find a new game every month. The demographic HTC needs to court is the more mature crowd. The ones who want to immerse themselves in the game, Learn the planes, Learn ACM, THESE are the folks that have been around, and will stay around. it's their $15 a month that has kept HTC in business year after year.
In essence I agree with you, but unfortunately the "instant gratification" crowd is growing daily, while the number of us who actually appreciate the time consuming challenge of learning ACM, not to mention the historical context of the game, is shrinking. Many of us loved these old planes long before AH came along. That's why we were instantly hooked. But we're getting a little "long in the tooth", and newer potential players don't share our enthusiasm. It's not our fault, it's not HTC's fault, it's nature's fault. HTC has to go where the money is to stay afloat. I just hope the game doesn't lose it's soul in the process.
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In essence I agree with you, but unfortunately the "instant gratification" crowd is growing daily, while the number of us who actually appreciate the time consuming challenge of learning ACM, not to mention the historical context of the game, is shrinking. Many of us loved these old planes long before AH came along. That's why we were instantly hooked. But we're getting a little "long in the tooth", and newer potential players don't share our enthusiasm. It's not our fault, it's not HTC's fault, it's nature's fault. HTC has to go where the money is to stay afloat. I just hope the game doesn't lose it's soul in the process.
QFT
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QFT
OK, I profess my ignorance. What does that mean?
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OK, I profess my ignorance. What does that mean?
Quoted for truth
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I'm less sure it's true. I don't know that AH will ever draw the pachinko crowd of young ones, nor am I certain that the young ones who come in are of that contingent. IMO, if you're not into WWII Air Combat, this game would have little appeal.
However, my assertion, like Cthulhu's, is based on anecdotal experience. Without some kind of feedback or survey of the customer base, I think we're unmoored from data.
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One would think that the pool of men young and old who are fascinated by airplanes would remain a relative constant. I came to this game after playing many civilian flight sims, then many stand-alone combat sims because it is the ultimate expression of applying aerodynamic principles in strategic competition.
I'm less sure it's true. I don't know that AH will ever draw the pachinko crowd of young ones, nor am I certain that the young ones who come in are of that contingent. IMO, if you're not into WWII Air Combat, this game would have little appeal.
However, my assertion, like Cthulhu's, is based on anecdotal experience. Without some kind of feedback or survey of the customer base, I think we're unmoored from data.
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I'm less sure it's true. I don't know that AH will ever draw the pachinko crowd of young ones, nor am I certain that the young ones who come in are of that contingent.
There's certainly a disconnect in this community, primarily from the, for lack of better terms, the older demographic of it. Most people here seem to be attached to their familiarity and preferences of gaming, without realizing that's precisely why this game is declining (speaking objectively in regards to numbers).
Previously, we had a few WWII air combat MMO's - heck, just air combat MMO's. All of them provided different opportunities and different gaming avenues, but they all also had their quirks. To pick one meant you had to decide to adopt the good and the bad.
Now, with the rise of WT and WoWP, we don't really have that anymore. These games are based on long-time studies and trends of what gamers want - there is quite literally a science behind it. And with that, you have 95% (a quickly-drawn estimation, but probably close to being accurate) of gamers going to these games. The gamers may or may not have prior interest in WWII air combat, but that is almost inconsequential, as those games are now setting the standard for what the genre is.
Again, when you have literally half a billion dollars (or more) being spent and made by WT and WoWP, they quite literally set the standard for the market.
Now, to be clear - I do not want this game to be WT or WoWP. They're gamey, they have crappy advancement/skill models, and unrealistic. But, those are surface items - really, they are. The core of the game is the way that they market and keep players, and you can apply that to almost any game. That is their business. Even IL2 is moving towards HUD-type displays, premium/LE planes, cinematic trailers - it works, it simply works.
New players don't care so much about how easy or hard a flight model is - certainly, there is some degree that it affects them; but their primary concern is in accessibility, in immersion. Graphics are hugely a part of this. Your new simmer doesn't care if a plane feels like it stalls correctly when the graphics look worse than a game he can play on his gaming console - immersion comes primarily from sight and sound (again, based on science). Guess what? WT and WoWP nails this. Surreal trailers showing air to air combat, explosions, glory - this is what gamers want. They want to feel like a WWII hero. This game has nothing even remotely close to that, while WT and WoWP have trailers that cost upwards of $100,000 to produce.
These new, young, up and comer players are the only people who will keep your sim, regardless of which one it is, afloat. You can hate them, disregard them, whatever you'd like; the cold reality is that they will determine if your game succeeds or if it shuts down. And the demographic of these gamers are mainly players whose only experience is WT and WoWP. If you can't match or beat it in something other than flight model, you've lost them, as it requires a good amount of experience to begin to appreciate the difference in flight models to begin with.
They don't care if the flight model is an arcade Atari game or Aces High on steroids, as long as they get their beautiful aircraft, glorious moments of victory, and the experience of feeling like a WWII pilot. This is what people seem to be missing. This is what other games offer readily.
It is what it is. I wish people would realize this and then actually address the problem, instead of burying their heads in the sand while making up excuses why player numbers being 1/2 to 1/3 of what they were previously is somehow a sign of success.
That line of thinking can only continue for so long. What is 1/2 of 0? ;)
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I've said it once and I'll say it again: Whenever I buy magazines like "Air Classic" or "Flight Journal", whenever I look at gun camera footage on Youtube, I see advertisements for War Thunder. I never see advertisements for Aces High. This is a problem. That little commercial on History Channel that aired during "Dogfights" was the most brilliant move HTC ever made, that alone was probably responsible for the relatively massive peak in numbers that I was a part of when I first joined in 2006. You just can't do without advertising.
And another thing: Maybe you people out there think potential customers who judge a flight sim based primarily on graphics instead of flight model are dipsticks. And maybe you are right. However, such judgments are MEANINGLESS, these people's subscription fees will still serve to keep the doors open if we can get them.
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Skyyr sums up the dilemma perfectly. I saw the same scenario played out with another online game I used to play called Ultima Online. The game play was top notch, the losses REAL (getting PK'D or "player killed" was a real possibility), and there was a lot of in-game knowledge you picked up just to stay alive. But it wasn't glitzy, you didn't get a "trophy" every time you accomplished the most mundane task, and the graphics weren't stunning. It was quickly eclipsed by more kid friendly games like Everquest and WoW. IMHO, the superficial will win out every time.
I really believe this is endemic of society in general, but that's for another discussion.
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But I'm an optimist. I believe that by overlaying the graphical glitz onto the substance that is the flight model Aces High can survive and prosper. :aok
Skyyr sums up the dilemma perfectly. I saw the same scenario played out with another online game I used to play called Ultima Online. The game play was top notch, the losses REAL (getting PK'D or "player killed" was a real possibility), and there was a lot of in-game knowledge you picked up just to stay alive. But it wasn't glitzy, you didn't get a "trophy" every time you accomplished the most mundane task, and the graphics weren't stunning. It was quickly eclipsed by more kid friendly games like Everquest and WoW. IMHO, the superficial will win out every time.
I really believe this is endemic of society in general, but that's for another discussion.
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But I'm an optimist. I believe that by overlaying the graphical glitz onto the substance that is the flight model Aces High can survive and prosper. :aok
I hope you're right.
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skyyr makes some very good points but I feel all this talk of a massive marketing push / gameplay enticements is on hold until the new version is released.
No point promoting something if it is going to be replaced by newer and shinier.
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skyyr makes some very good points but I feel all this talk of a massive marketing push / gameplay enticements is on hold until the new version is released.
No point promoting something if it is going to be replaced by newer and shinier.
I would agree with this, plus lets be honest this update may be a little past due. Yes ,all of us that play the game now how awesome it can be, but in today's word you need a little eye candy.
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I agree with skyyr's point. However,it is my unmoored belief that:
1. There is a contingent of players who care about realism and flight model fidelity
2 that attracting the "non-caring" counterpart is a poison pill for AH.
W/r item 2, once AH abandons or compromises its fidelity realism stance, it becomes "just another MMO" and will be uncompetitive with the big arcade-y players in that space.
Remember, there are two ways to succeed in business, generally: cost and differentiation. I don't think AH is the MMO equivalent of WalMart nor do I think it can compete in that space.
Meanwhile, given the contingent to which BnZs refers and given our customer base, I find little to suggest that we're maxed out in contingent 1 above.
Bottom line: there is no dilemma, IMO. The niche space is HT's. I just don't know if he has the resources to capture it.
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However,it is my unmoored belief that:
1. There is a contingent of players who care about realism and flight model fidelity
2 that attracting the "non-caring" counterpart is a poison pill for AH.
I agree, actually. The primary challenge is that the players who care are, for the most part, already here. It is a finite, and dwindling, demographic. There are certainly future players who might join our ranks, but you have to attract them to begin with.
As it stands, the only people who will come over to Aces High are those with either a huge interest in WWII and WWII air combat, or those interested in WWII air combat sims. The former is, unfortunately, becoming non-existent as we move farther and farther away from that point in history. That leaves us competing with other air combat sims, and therein lies the problem.
We can't rely solely on being unique, as that is a dead-end road. We have to be both relevant and unique, and the only way to stay relevant is to maintain interest with the current air combat sim demographic; that demographic is chiefly interested in WT and WoWP.
Therefore, we must follow a similar route if we're to avoid becoming irrelevant. By "similar," I mean that we adopt the things that allow us to become "interesting" without changing who we are. The flight model is something that we should never change - that is uniquely Aces High. However, graphics, a more friendly UI, more accessible peripheral integration, marketing, a more active/modern online presence, etc. - those are sorely needed. Having those allows us to get enough people in the door to give us a chance - once we have that, then we'll retain the players that we want, that we need.
Just my .02.
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now-back to the subject of bomb and bail--dev's-x-rejects started this b&b stuff..so now alot of other people do it
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now-back to the subject of bomb and bail--dev's-x-rejects started this b&b stuff..
they didn't start this at all.
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I agree, actually. The primary challenge is that the players who care are, for the most part, already here.
I'm not sure that is entirely true. Apparently this game is hard to find-I joined in 2006 because of the commercials during "Dogfights" on History, as did a lot of other people. I don't think that commercial has been widely aired in awhile now. And like I say, Aces High isn't being advertised in aviation enthusiast magazines or on the Internet well either. I have an FB friend who is a textbook example-Guarantee you he is EXACTLY the type to dig into realistic ACM wholeheartedly, but War Thunder got to him first, so now convincing him to try Aces High is running into that whole switching games inertia. So I'm almost certain there are a large number of potential AH enthusiasts who don't even know it exists.
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Exactly. There must be a pair of parents in Texas who are freaking geniuses because you seem to think as I do. IMO, there is no way in hell that contingent is played out. It's just under exploited.
Let's take an anecdotal case - call him Dan, because that's ( two cases, actually, both similar) his name. Both Dan's are in their 50's. both have two kids nearly, in, or just graduated from college, both are married, and both are huge WWII fans. Neither would have awareness of ah had I not told them. Neither is particularly afraid of 15/month, although both have some fear of:
1. The hardware hurdle -needing to go get a stick/pedals. One of the Dans has both but doesn't have time to set them up.
2. The learning curve
3. The arena/competitive aspect ( both are concerned they'll embarrass themselves, something I have ceased to fear via lots of practical experience in same)
Let's take another anecdotal case, call him Tono. Tono is also in his 50's and is a huge WwII fan. Tono's only hurdle is that he's an aging playboy who refuses to commit to anything other than boats and motorcycles and steadfastly refuses to pay 14.95 a month for something he gets for free, sort of, over at WT.
I think the two Dans are a better contingent to pursue but, in some ways, their hurdle is higher and ties, in a way, to Skyyr's point about relevance. Yes, pretty graphics are important for relevance but, especially in the case of some of these older guys with careers and families, so is ease of use. Is there some way to, pusher style, bring these guys in via an improved awareness campaign and some kind of easy mode intro arena?
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Let's just support advertising and see where the two-week numbers fall. Predicting market response to a WWII game in 2014 probably has a beta of about "not relevant"
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Now I'm not one to complain about the game.. but the bailing thing is annoying.. That is just weak and pathetic.. If you don't want to fight, don't even "up" This is the result of cowardice and weakness on the bailers part..
Warbirds handled that through proxy kills. I am all for losers who bail when I get a kill for it.
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I think HT should banish all the bomb and bailers, HOers, pickers, runners, ack huggers, hoarders, vulchers, spawn campers, alt monkeys and toolshedders from the game. Then the dozen or so guys willing to fight to the death no matter what can all log on at different times of day and complain about not being able to find a fight. :aok
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I think HT should banish all the bomb and bailers, HOers, pickers, runners, ack huggers, hoarders, vulchers, spawn campers, alt monkeys and toolshedders from the game. Then the dozen or so guys willing to fight to the death no matter what can all log on at different times of day and complain about not being able to find a fight. :aok
you forgot bomb****s......I give this idea a +1 :rofl
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I think HT should banish all the bomb and bailers, HOers, pickers, runners, ack huggers, hoarders, vulchers, spawn campers, alt monkeys and toolshedders from the game. Then the dozen or so guys willing to fight to the death no matter what can all log on at different times of day and complain about not being able to find a fight. :aok
"Should banish"? :headscratch: You sure this isn't already (Unintentionally) in progress
Methinks the "berserker" types might just get their wish soon. Hoping I am wrong about that...
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Book 'em Dano
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Death to all who oppose me.
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Warbirds handled that through proxy kills. I am all for losers who bail when I get a kill for it.
Always felt proxies should actually count as a kill here exactly the same as a gunnery death, not just in score but for perks as well.
One thing someone once said that always stuck with me, "My final weapon is the ground."
Wiley.
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Always felt proxies should actually count as a kill here exactly the same as a gunnery death, not just in score but for perks as well.
One thing someone once said that always stuck with me, "My final weapon is the ground."
Wiley.
Indeed. A kill is a kill, maneuver, proxie, or guns/bombs/rockets.
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Indeed. A kill is a kill, maneuver, proxie, or guns/bombs/rockets.
True. But a proxy kill is kinda like kissing your Aunt Ethel i.e. unpleasant.
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True. But a proxy kill is kinda like kissing your Aunt Ethel i.e. unpleasant.
If I scare someone enough they prefer to bail than fight I deserve the kill. I won't look a gift horse in the mouth so to speak.
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If I scare someone enough they prefer to bail than fight I deserve the kill. I won't look a gift horse in the mouth so to speak.
The difficulty is that most proxies aren't simple. Other players proximity to the auger or the proxy was damaged severely in a fight with a green guy but that green guy got dead. Those awards shouldn't be given because they truly weren't earned. I understand why some people would want them though.
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True. But a proxy kill is kinda like kissing your Aunt Ethel i.e. unpleasant.
Oh no... An actual proxy kill IMO can be extremely satisfying.
One of my most memorable moments in WBs was getting jumped by 3 KI-84s trying to gang me. All 3 of them were grouped up at my six trying to kill me and we were still at fairly high speed. I saw I was at the right alt to do it, and did a split-S riding the blackout tunnel around going level a couple hundred feet off the deck. 2 lawn darts behind me and it was now 1v1 with the fight reset because bandit 3 saw what I was doing and didn't follow.
While not as satisfying as if I'd killed all 3 with masterful ACM and brilliant snapshots obviously, it worked and it felt good at the time.
The difficulty is that most proxies aren't simple. Other players proximity to the auger or the proxy was damaged severely in a fight with a green guy but that green guy got dead. Those awards shouldn't be given because they truly weren't earned. I understand why some people would want them though.
I get what you're saying, IMO in situations like that kills should also be awarded posthumously. Most times I get proxies though it's because I'm turning hard with a bandit who misjudged where Earth Mother was exactly.
Wiley.
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I'm with you. I had a satisfying rolling scissor fight with a Jug ( I was in a D-9) in which the Jug ran out of alt. He dared not disengage from the scissor... I'd have had him, a big fat target like that. I pulled out, he held on an instant too long. It was tense stuff, but tres kewl.
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The difficulty is that most proxies aren't simple. Other players proximity to the auger or the proxy was damaged severely in a fight with a green guy but that green guy got dead. Those awards shouldn't be given because they truly weren't earned. I understand why some people would want them though.
If a guy bailed out because you were on his six that counted as a kill in the war.
If a fidgety guy broke and collided with his wingman because you were on his six THAT counted as a kill.
Proxie bails are the same thing. It isn't that complicated. Award the closest guy the victory and move on. After awhile the wimps will get the message and stop their clown moves...and if they don't, at least the frustration addressed above will be mitigated to a fair extent.
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If a guy bailed out because you were on his six that counted as a kill in the war.
If a fidgety guy broke and collided with his wingman because you were on his six THAT counted as a kill.
Proxie bails are the same thing. It isn't that complicated. Award the closest guy the victory and move on. After awhile the wimps will get the message and stop their clown moves...and if they don't, at least the frustration addressed above will be mitigated to a fair extent.
what message will anybody that bails they get, and how is that gonna stop them. and what frustration will those chasing the con avoid. I dont chase anybody to get a proxie, nor do i care to get one.
Once I was in a bomber and had a con chase me for 4 or 5 sectors. we were co-alt and it took him that long to get 10k above me. I was watching a movie so I just let him chase me. 45 minutes later when he was in a good position to attack, I bailed out. he got nothing, not even a proxie. he was recording so he logged went an look at the film and pm after asking why I had bailed. I told him that he wanted to make sure the fight was on his terms, while I wanted to fight on mine. If he hadnt gotten the upper hand he would have never attacked me.
I say neither was of us was wrong. he wanted to fight on his terms only and I wanted to fight on mine only.
fighters against bombers are not an even fight and should never be one in reality. most fighters will only attack when they are assured a kill, while they expect bombers to fly straight. you can always say well the bombers have gunners. but in reality most guys cant gun for crap on a consistent basis including me.
but if you expect me being in a bomber to wait until you are in position to attack is the same expectation as me waiting for you to only attack from dead six.
you have the option to not fight a bomber, just like the bomber has the option to not fight you. if you decide to not attack is not any different than me bailing out because I dont want to fight you.
semp
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45 minutes later when he was in a good position to attack, I bailed out. he got nothing, not even a proxie. he was recording so he logged went an look at the film and pm after asking why I had bailed. I told him that he wanted to make sure the fight was on his terms, while I wanted to fight on mine. If he hadnt gotten the upper hand he would have never attacked me.
I say neither was of us was wrong. he wanted to fight on his terms only and I wanted to fight on mine only.
So....I gather that you are not interested in actually fighting someone if you are in a bomber...?
The guy follows you for three-quarters of an hour, hoping, we presume, to get in his one or two passes, and when the Moment of Truth is anigh, rather than try to fight him off, you just bail so that he can't possibly get a kill.
I do not understand the point of that. Neither of you gets a chance to shoot his guns. Neither of you has a chance to win the engagement.
You might at least transmit a message that you don't want to fight and will bail before you do (I had P6E do that to me once.) That way he could spend his time trying to find someone who wanted to fight.
- oldman
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So....I gather that you are not interested in actually fighting someone if you are in a bomber...?
The guy follows you for three-quarters of an hour, hoping, we presume, to get in his one or two passes, and when the Moment of Truth is anigh, rather than try to fight him off, you just bail so that he can't possibly get a kill.
I do not understand the point of that. Neither of you gets a chance to shoot his guns. Neither of you has a chance to win the engagement.
You might at least transmit a message that you don't want to fight and will bail before you do (I had P6E do that to me once.) That way he could spend his time trying to find someone who wanted to fight.
- oldman
Wasting your time buddy.
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So....I gather that you are not interested in actually fighting someone if you are in a bomber...?
- oldman
you got it wrong, just like when I am in a fighter. I am not interested in fighting anybody that only wants to fight when he gets the upper hand. I will not fight anybody that only wants to fight on his terms.
semp
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Pathetic. Can't believe this is even a question.
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So....I gather that you are not interested in actually fighting someone if you are in a bomber...?
The guy follows you for three-quarters of an hour, hoping, we presume, to get in his one or two passes, and when the Moment of Truth is anigh, rather than try to fight him off, you just bail so that he can't possibly get a kill.
I do not understand the point of that. Neither of you gets a chance to shoot his guns. Neither of you has a chance to win the engagement.
You might at least transmit a message that you don't want to fight and will bail before you do (I had P6E do that to me once.) That way he could spend his time trying to find someone who wanted to fight.
- oldman
Let it go, this whole thread is about building kill counts. It has nothing to do with fighting at all. Most of these guys looking for easy proxy's are also those that prefer to fight in a style where they only attack when they have ALL the advantages and run as soon as they start losing those advantages.
Anyone who bails from a plane that can still fight in ANY capacity isn't playing the game in its true spirit. The game is suppose to be about combat.... not running and bailing.
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you got it wrong
No, he didn't. He got it exactly as you stated it.
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No, he didn't. He got it exactly as you stated it.
nope he didn't get it, I don't ball out when there's any plane attacking me but I'm not going to wait forever waiting for the other guy to decide when to attack. For I have waited and at the first ping many fighters will dive for the deck.
If they can avoid a fight then it's only fair for me to avoid it if I so desire.
semp
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Then why play at all?
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Then why play at all?
because contrary to the belief of some, bombers bailing every time when they see somebody within range is very rare as compared to the actual number of bomber sorties. I believe the last one I saw was last year.
semp
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because contrary to the belief of some, bombers bailing every time when they see somebody within range is very rare as compared to the actual number of bomber sorties. I believe the last one I saw was last year.
semp
Were you in a chute?
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If a guy bailed out because you were on his six that counted as a kill in the war.
If a fidgety guy broke and collided with his wingman because you were on his six THAT counted as a kill.
Proxie bails are the same thing. It isn't that complicated. Award the closest guy the victory and move on. After awhile the wimps will get the message and stop their clown moves...and if they don't, at least the frustration addressed above will be mitigated to a fair extent.
This game isn't the war. If you shot at a friendly, the friendly died in the war. If you collided with a friendly, you both got damage in the war. When two planes collided in the war, they both took damage. Using the war as a basis for arguments in this game isn't logical or particularly relevant.
Been playin thus game a looooong time and I can count the number of times your stated proxy situations have happened to me or anyone I've ever talked with about bailing. And if they bail in front of you and they haven't been shot by anyone else first, you do get the kill.
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Were you in a chute?
actually it was a pretty ingenious thing that the vtard pulled on that one. he hit the town killed most of town it then bailed out just as I was upping. he was no more than 3k high in lancasters.
base kept blinking, so I thought vtard dead, vtard noe probably otw. I gave the alarm and a couple of guys upped we waited about 5 minutes but nothing happened. I decided to go around the island looking for the noe flew all around it (cant remember the map but that island only had 1 base). I flew around the mountain at around 2k looking for a goon or anything. saw nothing. since the base was still blinking I decided to just climb and loiter around as I had plenty of gas the whole time I thought it was the guy in the chute hiding somewhere. when I was around 10k then I saw the noe mission all cv planes. gave the alarm but since town was mostly down it didnt take long for the vtards to take it down then prepare base for vulching.
I stayed up waiting for the goons then to my surprise the base was taken. I was amazed as I hadnt seen a goon, no m3 spawns and the cv was nowhere in sight. I logged off and looked at the film. it turns out 2 vtards had taken a couple of hours flight on lvt's. and only noticed it because of the film.
the whole time the base was blinking I thought it was the guy in the lancs that was around.
awesome
semp
I stayed around 8 waiting for the goons
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This game isn't the war. If you shot at a friendly, the friendly died in the war. If you collided with a friendly, you both got damage in the war. When two planes collided in the war, they both took damage. Using the war as a basis for arguments in this game isn't logical or particularly relevant.
Been playin thus game a looooong time and I can count the number of times your stated proxy situations have happened to me or anyone I've ever talked with about bailing. And if they bail in front of you and they haven't been shot by anyone else first, you do get the kill.
Uh, like.............whatev. :aok :rofl
:rolleyes:
Hey man, close your eyes. The bear won't see you. ;)
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Anyone who bails from a plane that can still fight in ANY capacity isn't playing the game in its true spirit. The game is suppose to be about combat.... not running and bailing.
:aok
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Uh, like.............whatev. :aok :rofl
:rolleyes:
Hey man, close your eyes. The bear won't see you. ;)
Hey man...open yours.
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Let it go, this whole thread is about building kill counts. It has nothing to do with fighting at all. Most of these guys looking for easy proxy's are also those that prefer to fight in a style where they only attack when they have ALL the advantages and run as soon as they start losing those advantages.
Anyone who bails from a plane that can still fight in ANY capacity isn't playing the game in its true spirit. The game is suppose to be about combat.... not running and bailing.
Yes, its pretty obvious after watching 200 today that rank and k/d are being using as statistical evidence of skill. Its laughable. Having proxies count at all must be a generational thing. Free, unearned "stuff" is better than "stuff" I worked for. Even making an argument for it is embarrassing to watch.
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Yes, its pretty obvious after watching 200 today that rank and k/d are being using as statistical evidence of skill. Its laughable. Having proxies count at all must be a generational thing. Free, unearned "stuff" is better than "stuff" I worked for. Even making an argument for it is embarrassing to watch.
totaly agree with this... I don't see how anyone could get excited over proxy killed unless of course you're the generation "all about me crowd" lol
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totaly agree with this... I don't see how anyone could get excited over proxy killed unless of course you're the generation "all about me crowd" lol
Putting a guy into the ground intentionally can be rewarding, even moreso if you're out of bullets.
Wiley.
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Putting a guy into the ground intentionally can be rewarding, even moreso if you're out of bullets.
Wiley.
Because you earned it by flying his brain into a Bernoullian birds nest of lift-failure
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Because you earned it by flying his brain into a Bernoullian birds nest of lift-failure
Yes. Getting a guy to follow you into a steep dive when his plane can't pull out, or making him pull so hard trying to get guns on you he stalls out and loses it is fun and part of the game.
Wiley.
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Hey man...open yours.
How original!
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I don't see how anyone could get excited over proxy killed
Fly the 202 for awhile. Flying the enemy into the dirt is typically the way you get kills.
- oldman (when you get them at all, that is!)
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How original!
thats a good one.....👎
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Fly the 202 for awhile. Flying the enemy into the dirt is typically the way you get kills.
- oldman (when you get them at all, that is!)
Oh no man. You can't do that...your score will get hurt
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Proxie bails are the same thing. It isn't that complicated. Award the closest guy the victory and move on. After awhile the wimps will get the message and stop their clown moves...and if they don't, at least the frustration addressed above will be mitigated to a fair extent.
This is exactly how it works now.
As changeup said, OPEN YOUR EYES,
HiTech
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This is exactly how it works now.
As changeup said, OPEN YOUR EYES,
HiTech
No perks for it as it stands now though. That's the part that stings.
Wiley.
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No perks for it as it stands now though. That's the part that stings.
Wiley.
But if you didn't earn it, why should perks be awarded?
This question does not include flying him into the ground. But I would think coading that scenario would be a bit tough.
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How original!
But he is correct.
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Yes, its pretty obvious after watching 200 today that rank and k/d are being using as statistical evidence of skill. Its laughable. Having proxies count at all must be a generational thing. Free, unearned "stuff" is better than "stuff" I worked for. Even making an argument for it is embarrassing to watch.
Well said :aok
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But he is correct.
Dream on.
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Dream on.
well... nothing.
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Been on a cruise for over a week. Get back today and what do I find as I log into the forum? This thread... Still going strong.
Amazing.
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well i will admit i have bailed but then again i am a weak player and most on here are not. the 1 thing i do is pm the proxy and let them know why. sometimes i am needed somewhere else after a bombing run its just flying back time consuming. or there are times im just bored with the flight but still i always pm the proxy and apologize. i know a lot of players are only score hungry and i understand their reasoning.. but keep in mind you skilled players us newbies sometimes get tired of feeling like target practice for you. so take your proxies and my humble apologies and if you dont get a proxy then you were to late to respond anyways
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If you microwave peeps they get bigger.
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If you microwave peeps they get bigger.
(http://www.notconsumed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/peep-jousting-562x600.jpg)
They do indeed.
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If you microwave peeps they get bigger.
Peeps in a vacuum! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEetdatpUO0)
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Been on a cruise for over a week. Get back today and what do I find as I log into the forum? This thread... Still going strong.
Amazing.
Nice where did you go? ....wife and I have been kicking around going one
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Nice where did you go? ....wife and I have been kicking around going one
Caribbean (St. Thomas / Nassau / San Juan) on Princess Cruise's Caribbean Princess out of Ft. Lauderdale. 'twas nice.
Made it back just in time to miss the tropical storm! :aok
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Oh no man. You can't do that...your score will get hurt
Not really. Depends entirely on how you fly it and how successful you are at doing so. The key here is the game allows the flexibility for each individual to define what success is.
i.e. If Vraciu wants to value proxies, let him do so. If you want to value slow ACM waltz at treetop level, by all means do so!
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Dream on.
Wrong answer champ as even the Hitech agrees with Changeup. You must have some dreams that would have made Timothy Leary proud.
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Wrong answer champ as even the Hitech agrees with Changeup. You must have some dreams that would have made Timothy Leary proud.
Yes, because Hitech is ALWAYS right.
I forgot that he was infallible. One would think you consider him Jesus.
:rolleyes:
And as a pilot I know that most of us think Jesus is only our FO, but I am fairly certain even HT doesn't think he is perfect, "champ".
(Where do I go to join the "If I didn't think of it/agree with it then it must suck" club? Oh never mind. I found the FOUNDER. You might be the VP.)
A problem has been identified. A solution has been offered. It is like the death penalty. It certainly deters the one you put in the chair. That's victory enough. Bombing and bailing is a plague. At least those who try to fight against it deserve SOMETHING other than frustration for their efforts.
Now go back to burying your head in the sand and pretending there is no problem.
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I need some popcorn.
btw when vraciu finish his game. I'll quit this game and join him.
well said vraciu, noting says I am dumb like you do.
semp
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I need some popcorn.
btw when vraciu finish his game. I'll quit this game and join him.
well said vraciu, noting says I am dumb like you do.
semp
Misspellings do. We won't even discuss punctuation.
;)
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Yes, because Hitech is ALWAYS right.
Well, he would know how his game works.
ack-ack
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Well, he would know how his game works.
ack-ack
How he makes it work...
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How he makes it work...
Are you saying he doesn't?
ack-ack
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Weak peeps are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something
Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused
Weak peeps are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something
:noid
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Been on a cruise for over a week. Get back today and what do I find as I log into the forum? This thread... Still going strong.
Amazing.
What's even more amazing is that you spend your time posting in it. Most let "amazing" threads go...but not you. Skuzzy does a fine job policing the board, he doesn't need any help from you on others giving opinions on Vraciu's inability to understand the reality of the proxy kill and subsequent perk award.
I knew you musta been outa town or something. The BBS was quiet.
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What's even more amazing is that you spend your time posting in it. Most let "amazing" threads go...but not you. Skuzzy does a fine job policing the board, he doesn't need any help from you on others giving opinions on Vraciu's inability to understand the reality of the proxy kill and subsequent perk award.
I knew you musta been outa town or something. The BBS was quiet.
It is a dumb rule some use to "game" the game. Simple to understand, really. Even a child could comprehend it.
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I knew you musta been outa town or something. The BBS was quiet.
You are quite correct. The forums were quiet. I even commented on that while you and a few others were.... *ahem* ...."away".
Oh wait...do you think it was quiet because....? Nnnnah...that's crazy talk....couldnt be!
Do I agree with Vraciu? Nope. But I dont spend several pages egging him on or debating a point that is largely irrelevant. But hey, by all means...troll away! :aok
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You are quite correct. The forums were quiet. I even commented on that while you and a few others were.... *ahem* ...."away".
Oh wait...do you think it was quiet because....? Nnnnah...that's crazy talk....couldnt be!
Do I agree with Vraciu? Nope. But I dont spend several pages egging him on or debating a point that is largely irrelevant. But hey, by all means...troll away! :aok
Somehow, by this reply, you must have thought I was asking for your input.
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It is a dumb rule some use to "game" the game. Simple to understand, really. Even a child could comprehend it.
But you didn't. In fact, you didn't seem to understand much about proxies from the posts you made. I simply stated the facts. Run along now and check the BBS for "how proxies work".
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Yes, because Hitech is ALWAYS right.
I forgot that he was infallible. One would think you consider him Jesus.
:rolleyes:
And as a pilot I know that most of us think Jesus is only our FO, but I am fairly certain even HT doesn't think he is perfect, "champ".
(Where do I go to join the "If I didn't think of it/agree with it then it must suck" club? Oh never mind. I found the FOUNDER. You might be the VP.)
A problem has been identified. A solution has been offered. It is like the death penalty. It certainly deters the one you put in the chair. That's victory enough. Bombing and bailing is a plague. At least those who try to fight against it deserve SOMETHING other than frustration for their efforts.
Now go back to burying your head in the sand and pretending there is no problem.
I will never be in a "club" to which you belong. But please, keep dancing and show us a couple more steps. Apparently, being bounced from your previous squad hasn't taught you anything...............yet.
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But you didn't. In fact, you didn't seem to understand much about proxies from the posts you made. I simply stated the facts. Run along now and check the BBS for "how proxies work".
They don't work. Keep up.
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I will never be in a "club" to which you belong. But please, keep dancing and show us a couple more steps. Apparently, being bounced from your previous squad hasn't taught you anything...............yet.
I wasn't bounced. Though I appreciate what I learned it ultimately was not a good fit and it was time to move on. That's why we have so many squads to choose from. (It is none of your business, regardless. It is a "family" matter. There are no hard feelings.)
My new squad is way more fun to me (no offense), so I am happy with the change. They are great guys--I was convinced before I should dislike them, yet they are the nicest bunch and they are teaching me a lot.
Besides, when it comes to inflated egos in this game I learned about that subject long ago... Ahem.
Continue your ign'ant trolling. Play on.
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Somehow, by this reply, you must have thought I was asking for your input.
Nope. But you got it nonetheless. :lol
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Nope. But you got it nonetheless. :lol
Don't feed the trolls, bro.
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Misspellings do. We won't even discuss punctuation.
;)
would you like to discuss complete sentences? :).
semp
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would you like to discuss complete sentences? :).
semp
Context. Context. Context. Nice try, albeit futile.
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Don't feed the trolls, bro.
Aww...a little prod or two never hurt anyone. :lol
BTW...while I appreciate your viewpoint, proxies really are like kissing your sister (i.e. yucky). Even the ones you "earn".
Just sayin'. YMMV. :salute :aok
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I need some popcorn.
btw when vraciu finish his game. I'll quit this game and join him.
well said vraciu, noting says I am dumb like you do.
semp
Context. Context. Context. Nice try, albeit futile.
funny how you dont take your own advise :salute :salute :salute
semp
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Aww...a little prod or two never hurt anyone. :lol
BTW...while I appreciate your viewpoint, proxies really are like kissing your sister (i.e. yucky). Even the ones you "earn".
Just sayin'. YMMV. :salute :aok
While I respect that viewpoint, I consider bombing and bailing to be a more egregious stain on the game. If someone makes the effort to chase a buff and the guy bails then the pilot of the pursuing aircraft should be credited with the victory. In World War II if someone bailed when you were on their six I am fairly certain you were awarded the victory. Just get it on the gun camera.
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funny how you dont take your own advise :salute :salute :salute
semp
Or advice. *shrug* :salute (Don't.)
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Or advice. *shrug* :salute
Context. Context. Context. Nice try, albeit futile.
semp
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semp
:headscratch:
This is going nowhere. Let's just stick to the issue. It obviously isn't going to be changed so there is no sense in further discussion, really. We disagree. Fair enough to me. :salute
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I wasn't bounced. Continue your ign'ant trolling. Play on.
Not trolling and you were bounced. Keep dancing.
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Not trolling and you were bounced. Keep dancing.
So you say, Minister Goebbels. For the sake of argument, assuming that's true, it was the best thing to happen to me in this game in a long time and entirely on principle. Again, nobody cares what you think, especially me. It is none of your concern in any event. They don't care. I don't care. None of us hold any enmity.
Move along.
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So you say, Minister Goebbels. For the sake of argument, assuming that's true, it was the best thing to happen to me in this game in a long time and entirely on principle. Again, nobody cares what you think, especially me. It is none of your concern in any event. They don't care. I don't care. None of us hold any enmity.
Move along.
actually players trust most of what masherbraum says than most of the bs you say. but look on the bright side, we wont really have to put up with you as you are begging to be banned.
semp
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Nope. But you got it nonetheless. :lol
And, as always, it was completely worthless. You are lights out on that Fulcrum and your many shades, lmao. Maybe one day you'll be comfy enough to just be one.
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They don't work. Keep up.
How do you know? You didn't even know what they were, lmao. You complained about it and half of what you wanted was already in the game!! I bet the next squad wont end up being a good "family" fit either and if you ever wonder why, check your posts.
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And, as always, it was completely worthless.
And yet, you keep responding to it....and even throw in a few worthless addons too! :lol
Keep on trollin'! :aok
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actually players trust most of what masherbraum says than most of the bs you say. but look on the bright side, we wont really have to put up with you as you are begging to be banned.
semp
Says the guy who calls people names. If anyone deserves a ban it is you.
This whole thing is gonna get the Rule 4 treatment.
Give it a bye.
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How do you know? You didn't even know what they were, lmao. You complained about it and half of what you wanted was already in the game!! I bet the next squad wont end up being a good "family" fit either and if you ever wonder why, check your posts.
Someone "gets" it. But to continue on semp's post. While some may not like me (which is on them), I don't lie. Vraciu cannot make that same claim, because he is merely trying to save face.
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I cannot hang, nor be honest with the Community, so lock this thread.
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I haven't been in this thread yet!
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Someone "gets" it. But to continue on semp's post. While some may not like me (which is on them), I don't lie. Vraciu cannot make that same claim, because he is merely trying to save face.
There is no face to save, bubba. Especially in a stupid GAME that some people take waaaay to flipping seriously.
I can give all the details, to which you are not privy. Can. But won't. It remains none of your business. But I will simply leave it at a philosophical disagreement. One way or the other I was leaving. The methodology was not relevant because our goals (the acting CO's and mine) were not compatible. And that's fine with me. I am grateful for the experience and glad I was able to move on. The game is fun again and I will always be grateful for what I was able to learn from them. 'Nuff said.
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I run my mouth about things I don't even understand. I lie to make myself look good at the expense of others. Someone please kick me in the face. I deserve it.
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There is no face to save, bubba. Especially in a stupid GAME that some people take waaaay to flipping seriously.
I can give all the details, to which you are not privy. Can. But won't. It remains none of your business. But I will simply leave it at a philosophical disagreement. One way or the other I was leaving. The methodology was not relevant because our goals (the acting CO's and mine) were not compatible. And that's fine with me. I am grateful for the experience and glad I was able to move on. The game is fun again and I will always be grateful for what I was able to learn from them. 'Nuff said.
I know the details. :rofl
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I know the details. :rofl
So does Dolby (he knows the factual details, not your spin). I suspect said details are at odds with your "details". I have a few pertinent screenshots, just in case. But--AGAIN--irrelevant. Who cares?
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:headscratch:
This is going nowhere. Let's just stick to the issue. It obviously isn't going to be changed so there is no sense in further discussion, really. We disagree. Fair enough to me. :salute
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I don't want anyone to complain. After all, that kid put a lot of work into smearing crap all over himself and his room.
I think I'm already IN, but, like all Damned or ex-Damned versus Muppet threads, this too shall end in THE LOCK.
Meanwhile, just for the sake of entertainment, Vrac, what did you do? It seems like every time I tune in to this BBS, you're hammer and tongs with somebody or other. THe same seem strue for Fulcrum.
Admittedly, my view is quite narrow. I'm afflicted with something called A REAL LIFE and thus have limited time for either this diversion or on-line flying (though I make a certain amount of time for it near-religiously), but I am certain I do not have the full story as to the roots of this whole conflict. The curious side of me wants to know, the more discrete side says that perhaps I am getting into something much like that kid's diaper.
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This is exactly how it works now.
As changeup said, OPEN YOUR EYES,
HiTech
But it doesn't always work. It is limited to what, 1.5K?
Changeup is the one who complained awarding to the closest guy was unfair. I advocated that part of your system.
(Somehow I missed this post. Sorry about that. Hat tip guncrasher/Semp.)
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But it doesn't always work. It is limited to what, 1.5K?
IIRC, proximity range is 2.5k yards.
ack-ack
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IIRC, proximity range is 2.5k yards.
ack-ack
I guess I can live with that except when chasing buffs. After spending half an hour to climb up to them only to watch them bail when I am 5K back. Ugh....
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IIRC, proximity range is 2.5k yards.
ack-ack
I think it's 2K.
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It's short enough that a player can wait for the enemy icon to show plane type, and still has time to decide if to bail or not. ;)
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I haven't been in this thread yet!
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Me either and We are not amused
(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww131/tri2b/6peepscrowd.jpg) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/tri2b/media/6peepscrowd.jpg.html)
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Me either and We are not amused
(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww131/tri2b/6peepscrowd.jpg) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/tri2b/media/6peepscrowd.jpg.html)
Step away from the peeps, peeps.
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It's all fun and games until a peep gets hurt.
(http://skeptisys.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/peeps2.jpg)
ack-ack
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It's all fun and games until a peep gets hurt.
(http://skeptisys.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/peeps2.jpg)
ack-ack
Exactly, just think of having four of a kind when your opponent thinks that you are bluffing. :rofl
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Peep show anyone?
(http://www.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2347160738_80369de88a.jpg)
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:joystick:
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How about this peeps show...
(http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/peeps-2.jpg)
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Peep show anyone?
(http://www.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2347160738_80369de88a.jpg)
Somebody needs to get a mop and clean that frosting off the floor.
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Somebody needs to get a mop and clean that frosting off the floor.
I don't think that's f[NO CARRIER]
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How about this peeps show...
(http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/peeps-2.jpg)
Winner! :O