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Title: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 22, 2016, 08:11:35 PM
Is Godfrey's Mustang in the game?   I don't recall seeing it the last time I checked.

I realize we already have Shangri La from that squadron, but anyone who knows of Gentile and Godfrey understands what a great team they were--so much so they gained personal mention by Winston Churchill.

http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/165/pics/3_97.jpg

If it hasn't been already, would this skin be eligible for inclusion given the subject?   If so I would like to take a crack at it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 25, 2016, 07:03:41 PM
I have started on this one.   Hopefully it will be worthy of inclusion.


 :salute
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Devil 505 on April 25, 2016, 07:30:08 PM
I've done "sister" planes to existing schemes. If you feel that you can do better than what we have already, then go for it.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 25, 2016, 07:36:52 PM
I've done "sister" planes to existing schemes. If you feel that you can do better than what we have already, then go for it.

Well, we have Gentile, but we don't have Godfrey.   Not sure I can do better, but it will be different.   Just seems like Godfrey's plane belongs in here.   They were an awesome team.

The markings are somewhat different as well.  Spinners and such are different slightly.

Would hate to do all the work and get shot down though.   

Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Devil 505 on April 25, 2016, 07:41:47 PM
Again, I've done sister planes that are very similar to what was already in game. See the desert shark-mouthed P-40E's by Ink and myself. Also, I think that the relationship between the two pilots merits consideration.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 25, 2016, 07:54:43 PM
Again, I've done sister planes that are very similar to what was already in game. See the desert shark-mouthed P-40E's by Ink and myself. Also, I think that the relationship between the two pilots merits consideration.

I agree with your assessment on their relationship.   Batman and Robin or something like that.  I just thought Skuzzy was against planes from the same squadron so was hoping he would weigh in before I started.   In any event, I will give it a shot and see what happens.

 :salute
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 25, 2016, 10:20:03 PM
I think I need Lyric1 to come in here and give me some photos.  There are tons for Gentile's mount but none for Godfrey's.  :(
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 25, 2016, 11:27:46 PM
Here's a sneak peek.  (Still under construction.)
 
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Guppy35 on April 25, 2016, 11:45:19 PM
If you want to do Godfrey's bird, do his second 51.  It would be a different look but still honor the same pilot.

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/GodfreySilver3.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/GodfreySilver3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 25, 2016, 11:50:51 PM
If you want to do Godfrey's bird, do his second 51.  It would be a different look but still honor the same pilot.


Hey Gup. Thanks for the suggestion. 

I considered it........but................ ................

He only flew it for a week before another pilot crunched it.

That said, perhaps I could do them both.  :D

I have a painting of Gentile and Godfrey over my fireplace...   "No Quarry Today" by DeNardo.   After Gentile mashed his machine he was sent home.  Godfrey got flamed by his own wingman.   They were at their best in OD B Mustangs...   I am drawn to that.

When Gentile died Godfrey followed shortly thereafter.   I figure they were joined at the hip...but Godfrey never got his due.   Sad.

Any way...    I think players should be able to wing up in the OD Mustangs just like Gentile and Godfrey did.

I also happen to suck at NMF apparently.  :P

Who was Reggie, BTW?  Reggie's Reply.   His brother?
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Devil 505 on April 26, 2016, 12:08:53 AM
Do them both!
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 26, 2016, 12:18:43 AM
Do them both!

That's not a bad idea!   LOL :) :) :)
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Guppy35 on April 26, 2016, 01:07:08 AM
Reggie was his brother killed in a torpedo attack if memory serves.  Godfrey's book "The Look of Eagles" is a must have for any 4th FG fan.  Johnny died from ALS in the late 50s. 
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: lyric1 on April 26, 2016, 01:23:16 AM
I think I need Lyric1 to come in here and give me some photos. 

This link has a couple of the bare metal aircraft.

http://www.starduststudios.com/john-t-godfrey.html

Partials of the OD pony.

http://www.4thfightergroupassociation.org/uploads/8/2/0/3/8203817/biography_godfrey_jt_336.pdf

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/15329

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/14296


Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 26, 2016, 11:54:06 AM
This link has a couple of the bare metal aircraft.

http://www.starduststudios.com/john-t-godfrey.html

Partials of the OD pony.

http://www.4thfightergroupassociation.org/uploads/8/2/0/3/8203817/biography_godfrey_jt_336.pdf

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/15329

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/14296

Thank you, sir.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 26, 2016, 05:35:29 PM
This link has a couple of the bare metal aircraft.

http://www.starduststudios.com/john-t-godfrey.html

Partials of the OD pony.

http://www.4thfightergroupassociation.org/uploads/8/2/0/3/8203817/biography_godfrey_jt_336.pdf

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/15329

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/14296

Lyric,

In one of your links we see "REGGIE'S REPLY" on Godfrey's P-47.    Do we have anything that shows it on his P-51B?
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: lyric1 on April 26, 2016, 11:26:11 PM
Lyric,

In one of your links we see "REGGIE'S REPLY" on Godfrey's P-47.    Do we have anything that shows it on his P-51B?

No nothing online looking at some of my books to see if anything may be tucked away in them.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 27, 2016, 10:17:45 AM
No nothing online looking at some of my books to see if anything may be tucked away in them.


Thanks for the effort.  I appreciate it.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Fencer51 on April 27, 2016, 12:21:28 PM
http://www.starduststudios.com/john-t-godfrey.html

He is one of the best P-51 artists out there, I have never saw anything incorrect in any of his paintings.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 27, 2016, 12:31:29 PM
http://www.starduststudios.com/john-t-godfrey.html

He is one of the best P-51 artists out there, I have never saw anything incorrect in any of his paintings.

I am aiming for this one (mine is signed by Goodson and sits next to my desk).

http://www.brooksart.com/Quarry.html

I really LOVE this painting.  Wish I could find a good shot of it.

http://www.stevenheyenart.com/Image_Enlargement_P-51B_Gentile_2013.htm

The problem is I have nothing that shows "REGGIE'S REPLY" on his P-51B.    If I could find evidence one way or the other it would sure help.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 29, 2016, 04:51:40 PM
Can I get some feedback on the red color I am using?   It's not right but I am unable to put my finger on why.

After staring at the same image for hours and hours my ability to judge hues starts to fail me.


 :salute



Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Devil 505 on April 29, 2016, 05:43:47 PM
The red looks ok to me. Try the red I recommended for the fuel caps and see how that strikes your fancy.

The problem with all the primary colors is that is too easy to use a hue which is too bold. Your red is not too bad in this regard.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on April 29, 2016, 06:09:11 PM
The red looks ok to me. Try the red I recommended for the fuel caps and see how that strikes your fancy.

The problem with all the primary colors is that is too easy to use a hue which is too bold. Your red is not too bad in this regard.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the fuel caps.   These are still my old shade.   Good catch.  Thanks, man.    :salute
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on May 10, 2016, 01:06:31 PM
Any better?

Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Devil 505 on May 10, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
The fuel caps look better, but the fuel stain behind it still looks odd.

did you adjust anything else?
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on May 10, 2016, 02:19:54 PM
The fuel caps look better, but the fuel stain behind it still looks odd.

did you adjust anything else?


Haven't had much time at all.  Fixed the nose art adding the diagonal to the top of the forward section...

That's about all I have been able to get at.

I will take a look at your fuel stains and see if I can garner something from that.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on June 05, 2016, 08:43:25 AM
How widespread were red wheels on 4th FG B Mustangs?

I can't find any photos of Godfrey's plane that show the wheels...but Gentile's were red. 

Thoughts?
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Devil 505 on June 05, 2016, 03:45:32 PM
What about other planes in the group? Can you find photo's of them?
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on June 05, 2016, 03:52:04 PM
What about other planes in the group? Can you find photo's of them?

Kid Hofer had red wheels but his was a NMF B model...

VF*D is a an OD B that had them...

Don Blakeslee's D had red wheels...

Plenty do and plenty don't it seems.


Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Devil 505 on June 05, 2016, 04:54:56 PM
Here's a tip I've seen from many in the plastic modelling field: paint what you see; if you can't see it, then paint what is likely there; and if that fails, then paint what you like and let your critics prove you wrong.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Vraciu on June 06, 2016, 04:36:16 AM
Here's a tip I've seen from many in the plastic modelling field: paint what you see; if you can't see it, then paint what is likely there; and if that fails, then paint what you like and let your critics prove you wrong.

That's good advice...

So what would you do in this case?

Hard to believe there's not a SINGLE full-plane photo of Godfrey's olive drab B out there.
Title: Re: P-51B of John Godfrey - Don Gentile's Wingman - In Game?
Post by: Devil 505 on June 06, 2016, 03:46:14 PM
If it were me, and since you want this plane specifically because it's Gentile's wingman, I'd go with red wheels.