Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: monroekw on September 19, 2019, 10:29:25 AM
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I am going to replace my 8 year old graphics card and am looking for recommendations on a new one, specifically for most efficiently running aces high. I am willing to replace ram with 16mb ddr3 and have budgeted up to $450 for a card. Would also want VR capable. Attached is my dx diag
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System Information
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Time of this report: 9/19/2019, 08:50:45
Machine name: DESKTOP-FOID52B
Machine Id: {258BB12B-F615-4A06-A4C1-0BFF517F1F1A}
Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (10.0, Build 18362) (18362.19h1_release.190318-1202)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: BIOS Date: 11/16/10 11:24:46 Ver: 08.00.15 (type: BIOS)
Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 970 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.5GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8190MB RAM
Page File: 4610MB used, 4859MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 12
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: 192 DPI (200 percent)
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
Miracast: Available, with HDCP
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported
DirectX Database Version: Unknown
DxDiag Version: 10.00.18362.0329 64bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
Sound Tab 4: No problems found.
Sound Tab 5: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)
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Display Devices
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Card name: Radeon (TM) RX 470 Graphics
Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Chip type: AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x67DF)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Type: Full Device (POST)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_67DF&SUBSYS_34111462&REV_CF
Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_ENUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER]
Device Problem Code: No Problem
Driver Problem Code: Unknown
Display Memory: 8136 MB
Dedicated Memory: 4041 MB
Shared Memory: 4095 MB
Current Mode: 3840 x 1600 (32 bit) (75Hz)
HDR Support: Supported
Display Topology: Internal
Display Color Space: DXGI_COLOR_SPACE_RGB_FULL_G22 _NONE_P709
Color Primaries: Red(0.662109,0.330078), Green(0.300781,0.610352), Blue(0.150391,0.059570), White Point(0.313477,0.329102)
Display Luminance: Min Luminance = 0.292800, Max Luminance = 400.000000, MaxFullFrameLuminance = 400.000000
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: Acer XR382CQK
Monitor Id: ACR0566
Native Mode: 3840 x 1600(p) (75.000Hz)
Output Type: HDMI
Monitor Capabilities: HDR Supported (BT2020RGB BT2020YCC Eotf2084Supported )
Display Pixel Format: DISPLAYCONFIG_PIXELFORMAT_32B PP
Advanced Color: AdvancedColorSupported
Driver Name: C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\c0346453.inf_amd64_ab2dda6dde2b69fc\B346420\aticfx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\c0346453.inf_amd64_ab2dda6dde2b69fc\B346420\aticfx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\c0346453.inf_amd64_ab2dda6dde2b69fc\B346420\aticfx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\c0346453.inf_amd64_ab2dda6dde2b69fc\B346420\amdxc64.dll
Driver File Version: 26.20.13001.50005 (English)
Driver Version: 26.20.13001.50005
DDI Version: 12
Feature Levels: 12_0,11_1,11_0,10_1,10_0,9_3,9_2,9_1
Driver Model: WDDM 2.6
Graphics Preemption: Primitive
Compute Preemption: DMA
Miracast: Not Supported
Detachable GPU: No
Hybrid Graphics GPU: Not Supported
Power P-states: Not Supported
Virtualization: Paravirtualization
Block List: No Blocks
Catalog Attributes: Universal:False Declarative:False
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 9/2/2019 8:00:00 PM, 1981584 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: Unknown
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-249F-11CF-87B4-D82674C2D735}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x67DF
SubSys ID: 0x34111462
Revision ID: 0x00CF
Driver Strong Name: oem26.inf:cb0ae414b19a9792:ati2mtag_Polaris10DS:26.20.13001.50005:pci\ven_1002&dev_67df&rev_cf
Rank Of Driver: 00D12000
Video Accel: Unknown
DXVA2 Modes: DXVA2_ModeMPEG2_VLD DXVA2_ModeMPEG2_IDCT DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT DXVA2_ModeHEVC_VLD_Main DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_Stereo_Pro gressive_NoFGT DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_Stereo_NoF GT DXVA2_ModeVC1_VLD DXVA2_ModeMPEG4pt2_VLD_AdvSim ple_NoGMC DXVA2_ModeHEVC_VLD_Main10
Deinterlace Caps: n/a
D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
DXVA-HD: Not Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
MPO MaxPlanes: 1
MPO Caps: Not Supported
MPO Stretch: Not Supported
MPO Media Hints: Not Supported
MPO Formats: Not Supported
PanelFitter Caps: Not Supported
PanelFitter Stretch: Not Supported
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Nvidia GTX 1660 Ti is fast and cost effective. However, regarding your budget a RTX 2070 would be even faster and better for VR. For what I found at Newegg (US) new ones start currently at $459, open box and refurbished even lower. Plus the RTX versions can handle Ray Tracing "with ease" compared to the GTX models in case you'd like to play games supporting it.
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With this rather old CPU it may be rather useless to upgrade graphics unless you are planning to buy a new CPU/Board/RAM in the near future. You will likely be seriously CPU-limited in games.
Do you have a SSD in your system?
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With this rather old CPU it may be rather useless to upgrade graphics unless you are planning to buy a new CPU/Board/RAM in the near future. You will likely be seriously CPU-limited in games.
Do you have a SSD in your system?
I have an AMD B.E. Q975 quad-core CPU @ 3.61 GHz , his Q970 is on par with my Q975, just a tic slower....
The thing about it is, I built an INTEL i7-2600k system to compare with my 6 month old AMD build and in actual "real world" performance the AMD build easily stayed with the INTEL build, and sometimes out performed it, especially in AutoCAD
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Only thing I would want to know is what Motherboard he is using
BTW, both of my systems were built initially with 16 GBs of DDR3 1600 MHz, and m4 crucial SSDs.... The memory has been upgraded to Crucial 1866 MHz 32GB DDR3
Bizman offered you some good choices of videocards.... If you want to go the AMD/ATI route, you can find the RX580 8 GB or RX590 8 GB videocards are VR capable and lower cost... Regarding your 470, I don't recall what capabilities that model has, but AMD R9 290X were the first VR capable GPUs AMD offered iirc
Also, you might want to check up on different Bios versions, you might find one (or more) they will help improve your MB since you are using Windows 10.... I know I did for 2 different AMD builds using ASUS MB's...
Good luck and hope this helps
TC
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Denniss
My original build still contains 80gb ssd dedicated to only the OS and aces high
Tequila Chaser
My MB Asus M4A89GTD Pro USB3
I will check on the latest version of bios as suggested
Thanks everyone for the input
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If you find that your older USB3 port lacks sufficient power for VR you can add a USB3.1 card.
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A general comparison between rx470 and a nvidia 2070:
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Radeon-RX-470-vs-GeForce-RTX-2070-SUPER/3558vs4116 (https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Radeon-RX-470-vs-GeForce-RTX-2070-SUPER/3558vs4116)
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Tequila Chaser
My MB Asus M4A89GTD Pro USB3
I will check on the latest version of bios as suggested
Thanks everyone for the input
So you went with ASUS' most expensive MB not counting ASUS-ROG series of boards...
That MB has the capability to go into advanced settings in the bios, to where you can tweak it to your liking, even unlock the other 2 cores that are locked out and not showing possibly
I used that same board and have never had any problems, just those AMD builds like you and I have can heat a small house, LOL
Let us know how it worked out for you and I'm curious as to which video card you chose?
TC
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If you haven't purchased a new card, Nvidia is set to release the "Super" versions of some of their newer cards. The GTX 1660 Super is more than enough to run AH at the highest settings and most new games at 1080p. Price is supposed to be around the $225-$250 mark depending on manufacturer SKU.
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And they release the 1650/1660 Super because AMD releases the RX5500 series with more to follow. Competition is sometimes really good - newer/faster products or prices dropping.
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The PCIe version will ultimately determine his graphics limitations.
It's likely 2.0 in his rig but I still don't think Aces High would require more than 2.0 if the MB and Video card are not hampered by less than optimum system settings and drivers.
Even with the PCI limitations a more modern card of higher performance works great and consumes less power. Many PCIe versions have some amount of backwards compatibility.
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I just bought a 2080 and I love it.
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You also have the Radeon RX5700 and Vega 56 - I've seen Vega's super discounted right now.
If I had a choice, GeForce RTX 2060 hands down, then the 5700 depending on price.
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I would ask myself, do I want to play other games in the future, or at higher resolution than 1080p ?
If the answer to the question is yes, I would go as high as possible, otherwise I would take a cheaper approach.
A few years ago I upgraded to a GTX1080 to handle a 1440@75hz screen for AH, and CLOD, and WT tanks.
I run it on an older machine (Intel 4690 @ 4.3hz with 20gig memory, TrackIR, TM Warthog, Windows10).
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Neither 2080 nor 2080S are worth buying - to little speed gain and much to expensive if compared to 2070S.
Buying a 2060 nowadays is a really bad choice giving the performance (and VRAM) gain offered by the 2060S.
Both 2060S/2070S face real competition with RX5700/5700XT
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Neither 2080 nor 2080S are worth buying - to little speed gain and much to expensive if compared to 2070S.
Buying a 2060 nowadays is a really bad choice giving the performance (and VRAM) gain offered by the 2060S.
Both 2060S/2070S face real competition with RX5700/5700XT
Eh. Take this with a grain. The 2080 is for sure worth buying if you have the money laying around. Now if you’re on a budget the 1060,70,80 are all great cards.
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as said, too little speed gain for too much money over the 2070S, 2080S is ~10-15% faster but at 30% higher price. Id rather buy the 2070S and use the leftover money to buy larger/faster SSDs.