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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: klingan on October 19, 2009, 03:59:43 PM
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So what do you guys think of this? :aok
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Very cool
(http://www2.hitechcreations.com/news/images/dr1/dr11.jpg)
(http://www2.hitechcreations.com/news/images/dr1/dr12.jpg)
(http://www2.hitechcreations.com/news/images/dr1/dr13.jpg)
(http://www2.hitechcreations.com/news/images/dr1/dr14.jpg)
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To each his own I suppose.
This is my opinion: Neat and all, but I prefer WWII area. I'm sure some are overly excited for a WWI arena, and thats fine. I still prefer WWII area and the leaps and bounds in technology that came from that area. I may try it couple times, but WWII era is why I'm here. :joystick:
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Looks interesting, I like this quote too, "They will be the first planes to use a new damage system with greatly expanded capability."
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This should make a lot of people happy... I'll try it but at 100 mph that's a long flight out.
I wish I could find a modern air combat sim game similar to AH.
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:x :x :x :x
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ive died and gone to heaven!!!!! I was just about to order rise of flight but I didnt realy like how it ran on my system when I got the demo going. this is sure going to be a good mix. the flight physics are totaly different and I hope the capture it well.
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It was fun in AW.
Made you nauseous with all the looping and torque-induced turning. :)
Would be fun. :)
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I am confused...it's not released right, yet?
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I think they should focus on WWII. It is nice ...but there is so much more that could be done for the current game.
Just my 2 cents.
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I think they should focus on WWII. It is nice ...but there is so much more that could be done for the current game.
Just my 2 cents.
After 75% of the community voiced their opinions that they wanted WWI, the rest of the community is now coming out and saying they don't want it, just like the ENY...gotta love it. :rolleyes:
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Supposed to be released by years end I think. I could see HTC doing some Korean war stuff very easily, but I dont know how they feel about the electronic avionics and weapons systems of modern jet combat. As much as I would love to see the whole entire suite of world air combat, that might be a bit much without some manpower growth taking place in the cubicles at HTC.
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After 75% of the community voiced their opinions that they wanted WWI, the rest of the community is now coming out and saying they don't want it, just like the ENY...gotta love it. :rolleyes:
75% :rolleyes:
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I cannot wait and I might not fly in the WWII Arenas for awhile. I play to FIGHT.
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LOVE the idea of a WW1 arena.
Kudos HTC!
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I am not sure I'm excited to fly at 120mph. But we'll see.
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Should make for a nice change of pace from time to time, just like the old AW WW1 arena.
A WW1 FSO/scenario/snapshot will be a lot of fun though. And WW1 KOTH! Kaiser of the Hill!
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I'll play if "shawk" flies the all red triplane.
999000 <S>
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Looks outstanding. I look forward to HTC's flight modelling experience applied to this era, though I have to wonder how much data is available.
:salute
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Didn't HiTech write some of the original manuals?
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To each his own I suppose.
This is my opinion: Neat and all, but I prefer WWII area. I'm sure some are overly excited for a WWI arena, and thats fine. I still prefer WWII area and the leaps and bounds in technology that came from that area. I may try it couple times, but WWII era is why I'm here. :joystick:
Very cool, really... but ditto what 5PointOh said. I'm here for WWII, even though the WWI stuff is really very cool. I hope it all works, and gets support from the community because variety is good. I'll play it and maybe learn to love it. We'll see. I guess I'm warming up to it.
I'll prolly be more excited about building missions with the new planes. Pea-shooter missions.
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Should make for a nice change of pace from time to time, just like the old AW WW1 arena.
A WW1 FSO/scenario/snapshot will be a lot of fun though. And WW1 KOTH! Kaiser of the Hill!
Interesting thought, there. Will FSO occasionally cover WWI, or would we be seeing separate special events for it?
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The default skin seems to depict Hans Weiss' aircraft from Jasta 11.
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I'll try it but at 100 mph that's a long flight out.
One would assume the bases will be closer together than in WWII Aces High.
I am curious if they will model the engines and throttles. A modern pilot talks about the Sopwith Camel's engine and throttle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6PnKUEFX8g)
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Sounds like it's going to be a fun arena and the most interesting part is the statement about the new damage model. Eager to see that in action.
ack-ack
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It'd get me to resubscribe...
RC
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is it gonna cost more?
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is it gonna cost more?
No. It will be just another arena in the arena list.
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One would assume the bases will be closer together than in WWII Aces High.
I am curious if they will model the engines and throttles. A modern pilot talks about the Sopwith Camel's engine and throttle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6PnKUEFX8g)
From the work done in DOA, I would say that they will.
Guess I need to break out my 3D apps and start dabbling in skins again.
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I think its fantastic,why shouldnt AH be all about other periods of air combat? everyone can always fly their own chosen period,be nice to have a break from WW2 combat to fly WW1 or vice versa.Wtg guys :D
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looking forward to it
makes sense and should be alotta fun
chocs away
<S> Jimmy
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It is my understanding that the rotary (engine spins with prop) engines didn't have a throttle?... Mag advance, and on/off switches only...
RC
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I was familiar with three of those fighters, but I didn't know anything about the Bristol F.2b so I looked it up. Interesting aircraft, kind of multi-role, not as heavy forward firepower, but has a tail gun and it is fast, almost as fast as a Spad XIII.
It is my understanding that the rotary (engine spins with prop) engines didn't have a throttle?... Mag advance, and on/off switches only...
RC
Yup, that is how they seemed to work. I think the Foker D.VII and the Bristol F.2b both have inline engines though.
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WTF! Is this some uber troll or are you serious? I can't see anything on the front page... :eek:
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WTF! Is this some uber troll or are you serious? I can't see anything on the front page... :eek:
Hit F5.
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I am not sure I'm excited to fly at 120mph. But we'll see.
It's all relative. I'm sure the bases will be at least twice as close to compensate.
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WTF! Is this some uber troll or are you serious? I can't see anything on the front page... :eek:
For real.
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WTF! Is this some uber troll or are you serious? I can't see anything on the front page... :eek:
We are pleased to announce an upcoming expansion to the Aces High plane set that will introduce World War I (WWI) air combat to the skies of Aces High. The initial four plane set will consist of the Fokker Dr.I, Sopwith Camel, Bristol F.2B, and Fokker D.VII.
These new planes will be available in a separate WWI dogfight arena and will also be available for special events. They will be the first planes to use a new damage system with greatly expanded capability.
Release of the WWI planes is expected before the end of the year although it will not be in the next version release.
Here are some screenshots of the Fokker Dr.I. Check back here for more screenshots of the other new planes in the coming weeks.
New update first looks like :x
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WTG HTC!!! Cant wait to get in one of those babies :aok
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I was lucky enough to see an (original) Sopwith camel fly at an airshow... They run at full throttle all the time in the air.... BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Sounds like the engine is conkin out as you come in to land, Because the pilot has to use a magneto kill switch to thottle the engine...
Brrrrrrp Brrrrrrp Brrrrrrp Brrrp Brrp Brp Blahhhhhhhh............... And coast to a stop with no brakes...
Outta be fun!!!
RC
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I cant wait!
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Well, I'd rather see development go to some more historic and immersive WWII game play options, but I'm sure I'll try this. Might be fun.
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I was familiar with three of those fighters, but I didn't know anything about the Bristol F.2b so I looked it up.
Yep. the Bristol Fighter / Brisfit. Was a very good combat aircraft during it's time and IIRC it remained with the RAF until 1932 (!!).
Saw three of those flying in formation during Flying Legends 2006.
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S.E.5.a. please!
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Will we be getting castor oil on our goggles? :D
Will our guns jam, so we have to beat on them with a wooden hammer? :D
RC
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woot woot cant wait :joystick: :aok
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Awesome! :aok x10
<---doesn't really care about anything without a prop, and a WWI arena is reason enuff to never need anything other than AH.
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I'm amazed at how much effort HTC has put into game development this year.
I think a WWI arena would be a nice change of pace, I'll be sure to give it a go.
I wonder if HTC will be adding a modern day arena? F-14’s, F-15's, F-18’s, Su-27’s, Mig-29’s etc. That would make my day. :cheers:
How cool would be to log on and have a choice between WWI, WWII or modern day?
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I was familiar with three of those fighters, but I didn't know anything about the Bristol F.2b so I looked it up. Interesting aircraft, kind of multi-role, not as heavy forward firepower, but has a tail gun and it is fast, almost as fast as a Spad XIII.
Yup, that is how they seemed to work. I think the Foker D.VII and the Bristol F.2b both have inline engines though.
F2B baby! The original jabo bomber from hell. Cant wait.
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An HTC F-14?? In my dreams :(
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maybe they'll give the engines the 'chitty chitty bang bang' sound effect! :D
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maybe they'll give the engines the 'chitty chitty bang bang' sound effect! :D
Ask Ranger politely :D
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An HTC F-14?? In my dreams :(
In our dreams.
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I think we need a mig alley before an F-15. How about a Crimson Sky's arena with the XP-55 ascender?
So seriously tell us about the ground game in WWi, how will we affect base captures. I don't see much play for that era of GVs. I know their wasn't much future in the infantry.
Infidelz
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I'm rather looking forward to a WW1 arena with the HTC viewset. One of the
more annoying aspects of most WW1 flying games is your inability to use peripheral
vision :aok
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If I read on another thread correctly, there will be no ground game. Just furballs with bases 5 miles apart.
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Oh! Count me in! This could be my new favorite arena! Bring on the SPAD 13! I just got Rickenbacker's autograph.
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My initial reaction: Meh. I found Dawn of Aces interminably boring.
However, just as Doug and Dale learned from Warbirds when making Aces High, perhaps there are new lessons learned that will make the WWI area fun. I certainly hope so.
-Llama
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Im worried if we will have any specail small maps to accomidate how slow the WWI plane will be.
Also will there be more then 1 WWI plane when it opens?
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Im worried if we will have any specail small maps to accomidate how slow the WWI plane will be.
Also will there be more then 1 WWI plane when it opens?
Looks like there will be 4 planes on a map with Airfields 5 miles apart
We are pleased to announce an upcoming expansion to the Aces High plane set that will introduce World War I (WWI) air combat to the skies of Aces High. The initial four plane set will consist of the Fokker Dr.I, Sopwith Camel, Bristol F.2B, and Fokker D.VII.
These new planes will be available in a separate WWI dogfight arena and will also be available for special events. They will be the first planes to use a new damage system with greatly expanded capability.
Release of the WWI planes is expected before the end of the year although it will not be in the next version release.
Here are some screenshots of the Fokker Dr.I. Check back here for more screenshots of the other new planes in the coming weeks.
First, remember, HTC doesn't care WHERE you fly. Early war, mid war, late war, AvA, DA, TA or WWI arena. As long as your having a good time, and keeping your acct active they are happy.
Simply stated more options means more happy customers, as your drawing from a bigger base.
Adding WWI is just one more string for the bow, one more different thing that you can do.
If you were paying attention the last couple patch's there have been HUGE changes in foundation stuff. Changes that may not effect us for a bit, but that set the stage for everything that follows.
They will start testing those with the WWI planes first, as they have a nice small set, 4 birds, and they can dial in all the bells and whistles.
Once that is all set then the really big job is of upgrading all the WWII planes to the new damage model with 4x as many damage points. That one will take time. But its much easier to do most of your testing in a small arena, with limited #'s of people, and only 4 planes. Then take what you learn from there and start putting it to work on the WWII planes.
The idea was also raised to have a once an "anything goes" arena where there would be no perked planes, or field capture, and all the evil con missions from the past could be flown and enjoyed.
Who wins, the Shark with laser beam or the super fokker? :)
I don't know about you, but to me these are great and exciting times to be flying here in AH. Lots of new stuff constantly in the pipeline.
Attaboy HTC! Rock on!
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Hands up who's going to skin Manfred von Richthofen's "Red Barron" colour scheme". :bolt:
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/Trelane1/redbaron.jpg)
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I read, Camel, Fokker Trip, Fokker D7, and Bristol F2B will be initial planeset...
D7 is gonna rule, without Spad XIII or SE5a to keep it honest...
RC
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I say :aok :aok
And I think alot of people are going to be surprised.
I remember back in AW I popped in there a few times thinking. "Hell, if I can do WWII arplanes WWI should be a breeze."
uh huh
I promptly had my arse handed to be every which way imaginable. WWII planes dont flyor handle quite the same as WWI planes.
Something new to learn and do.
Curious if they are going to allow voice coms. Technically and historically Vox shouldnt be permitted. But realistically I dont see how they will be able to avoid it. So might as well include it.
should be fun anyway
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I read, Camel, Fokker Trip, Fokker D7, and Bristol F2B will be initial planeset...
D7 is gonna rule, without Spad XIII or SE5a to keep it honest...
RC
The Bristol F.2b might be able to hang with it surprisingly well.
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This looks really interesting, of course my question would be is HTC going to add WWI bombers as well? :pray :D
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I'm liking it! :aok
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I much rather see the ww1 area with 4 new planes , than 4 fill in the set ww2 planes.
<S>
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I'm amazed at how much effort HTC has put into game development this year.
I think a WWI arena would be a nice change of pace, I'll be sure to give it a go.
I wonder if HTC will be adding a modern day arena? F-14’s, F-15's, F-18’s, Su-27’s, Mig-29’s etc. That would make my day. :cheers:
How cool would be to log on and have a choice between WWI, WWII or modern day?
Apples and Oranges man, and you are talking two completely different market segments.
My initial reaction: Meh. I found Dawn of Aces interminably boring.
However, just as Doug and Dale learned from Warbirds when making Aces High, perhaps there are new lessons learned that will make the WWI area fun. I certainly hope so.
-Llama
He wouldn't still be in business if he didn't learn from his lessons.
I am going to guess that it will be a Furball Arena, with some very kewl clouds and terrrain, but no bigger than one square or two in the MA. It will have 2 or 4 bases, so as to allow aircraft to get up without getting terribly vulched.
I am also going to say that those who don't like it, will still have plenty MA left to play, and it will not only gain new faithful ranging from once a week players, to people who pop in every night, but it will also bring a brand new market share to the HTC product line.
Now I know there are some people getting their panties all in a wad because they don't have their 13th favorite variant of the P38, or a B29, or even a KI43... but I would venture a guess that he is simply using old code from DOA for the flight models, and simply cut and pasting it over the current graphics and game engine of AHII.
I personally, am looking forward to the Rudder Pedal madness that is WWI combat, and you want to talk about constant adrenaline...
It will be more akin to Chess Playing than Checkers (Checkers being the MA Furballs), and don't worry about Radio's, your not going to have time for radios, you just better lean your head out the cockpit and check your wingmans 6 and keep it clear.
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Don't listen to the haters HT, they are just a bunch of trolls, BRING ON THE GREAT WAR!
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Can't wait for our skinners to get ahold of the colorful german rides.
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The only reason why the DVII was the superlative WW1 fighter was because of its performance above 12,000 ft. In other words, it's going to be Camel meat in the arena, as will all of the other aircraft unless the F1 gets proper torque.
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Right off the bat, i have picked the plane i will fly the most...THE CAMMEL!
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I'm so looking forward to this , love WW1 stuff its where it all began guys and why not its a great change of pace .
Nutte :salute
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This WWI version will set a New Patch Record...Any one want to bet on How Many it will take after first intro? Im going for 15..
KAM
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Hey where is my Handley Page bomber?
999000 <S>
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And just think of the new round of wailing on 200
Picker :200: I was in a dive , and my wing fell off! This teh crap!
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Ill start with dr1. And got to albatross when it gets ingame
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Sounds cool at first, but I wonder when this will turn out as Early War Arena is now. Started out as a cool fad until the new wore off, and things weren't top-end enough for the masses.
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More options at the same cost...outstanding! :aok
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Early war and Great war apples and oranges I think, but time will tell.
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Looks like i need to break out my googles and satin scarf....
Just imagine guys... the scarf around your neck blowing in the wind :devil while blazing away at the bad guys..
Just one question Hitech...Will we have Trenches and Barb wire on the new terrains?
No parachute to bail.. man this will be crazy :devil
I wonder who will have the balls to de-ack a field in this paper plane... :x
:salute Hitech
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First few weeks WWI Arena is opened the MA will be nearly empty I bet. I can't wait for fly the Camel!!! My favorite plane of WW1
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Check this little tidbit on the Camel. Makes me wonder how touchy this thing will be in AH.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=sopwith+camel+spitfire&hl=en&emb=0&aq=6&oq=Sopwith#
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I want the Nieuport...can't wait to form my own "Hat in the ring" squad! :rock
Are we going to get bombers too?
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Right off the bat, i have picked the plane i will fly the most...THE CAMMEL!
I'm sorry Snoopy, but I'm going to have to join the Luftwobble on this one. Bring on the Albatros and Pfalz!
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I want the Nieuport...can't wait to form my own "Hat in the ring" squad! :rock
Are we going to get bombers too?
Count me in! 94th Aero sounds great!
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To each his own I suppose.
This is my opinion: Neat and all, but I prefer WWII area. I'm sure some are overly excited for a WWI arena, and thats fine. I still prefer WWII area and the leaps and bounds in technology that came from that area. I may try it couple times, but WWII era is why I'm here. :joystick:
Agreed
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Personally, WWI, Red baron, started my love of Air combat history, when I was 5yo...
Saw a book in the school library, looked at the pics, and I was hooked...
LOL, 51 yrs ago!!!
This is going to be fun! Thx to HT and the crew, for something NEW TO DO!!!
I've always been most attracted to the "fokker scourge" period of WWI....
Eindeckers ruled, until the DH2 and Bebe Neuport appeared to give them a
run for their money... Then came "bloody april" with the Pfalz and Albatross...
Allied pilots had a life expectancy of 72hrs... Sheesh, UGLY situation!!!
The pendulum of tech superiority swung back and forth all thru that war...
Gonna be fun!!!
RC
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I'm not sure what side I'll be flying for yet... but if this is the default skin for the Fokker DVIII
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Fd73.jpg)
You can bet that'll be the first plane I target.
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Perk the DR1
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It's really cool. Thanks y'all.
I'll keep waiting for my F86 ;)
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I'm not sure what side I'll be flying for yet... but if this is the default skin for the Fokker DVIII
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Fd73.jpg)
You can bet that'll be the first plane I target.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Fd73.jpg)
Lothar Von Richthofen's Fokker D VII or Herman Goring's?
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I loved Red Baron 3D and even though I can download a bunch of programs to make it work on my vista computers, there is about 5 people online at a time. So its not as fun as it used to be... But now I can fly my Sopwith Snipe again and re-learn how to fly a motorized kite! Oh can we get an Avidyne PFD/MFD System going in the Rv-8? ;)
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This looks really interesting, of course my question would be is HTC going to add WWI bombers as well? :pray :D
Zeppelins!!
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Fd73.jpg)
Lothar Von Richthofen's Fokker D VII or Herman Goring's?
That's the Göring's "all white" machine with the BMW engine.
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Thanks HTC
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Fd73.jpg)
Lothar Von Richthofen's Fokker D VII or Herman Goring's?
Goering's.
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LOL...can't wait to see what gv's they put in this (if any)...20Kg bomb on the turret should do the trick. :D
WWI planes are going to be some serious fun...got to reserve me a Camel (and make sure ack ack doesn't light it for me).
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Couple links:
Flight Journal Article about flying the Fokker D.VII written by Corky Meyer: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3897/is_200310/ai_n9342008/ (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3897/is_200310/ai_n9342008/)
Read it a few moons ago and found it most interesting.
A Swedish guy Mikael Carlson has done some awesome reproductions from several early aviation planetypes. His lastest ready creation is a Fokker Dr.I repro which is one of the most authentic in the world.
A couple of great clips of it can be found here: http://www.aerodrome.se/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13&Itemid=12 (http://www.aerodrome.se/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13&Itemid=12) Especially have a look at that airshow clip, he sure flies the thing! :)
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I prefer to fly WWII planes myself but flying them in a special event sounds excellent. Its nice to change things up once and awhile.
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I'm just going to up a JUG N with 100 fuel and DT's...fly over to the WWI arena and shoot all those lil cloth planes down. :airplane: :bolt: :lol
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I will be the tailgunner for anybody lol. <S> wtfg HT
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I'm just going to up a JUG N with 100 fuel and DT's...fly over to the WWI arena and shoot all those lil cloth planes down. :airplane: :bolt: :lol
thing is you can't out manuver them so good luck with that lol.
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Is planned that the WWI component will expand to something akin to what we have now for the WWII arena?
Period buildings, GVs and terrain? All of that sort of stuff?
Obviously, you can't please everyone... and this isn't exactly a complaint....
But I can't help but feel that these advances (that look absolutely magnificent.... and the update damage model! I've always thought that should be more important than new planes) would have been better made in the WWII section.
My main concern is that WWII stuff will get less attention now and WWI additions will come thick and fast.
Of course, there's nothing wrong with that... it's just not what I'm here for.
I want fights just like most of the WWI guys here.... but WWII history is my interest, so it won't be the same.
Like I said, it is not my attention to come across as a snotty little donkey (as so many here do when something develops here that they don't like), I just thought I'd put this out there for consideration by whoever, if anyone :lol, cares.
And just for the record there seem to be some people giving others crap for 'not saying anything'. I did.
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thing is you can't out manuver them so good luck with that lol.
That's like saying "Good luck with shooting down a Hurricane Mk I in your F4U4".
What would you manoeuvre for? Hahaha.
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I think there is going to be alot of collisions in the WWI arena. I like the idea though. I play ROF alot.
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First, this is great HTC and Thank You.
The worry warts and naysayers should feel confident in how strong the WWII portion of Aces High is and will always be. From my AW days I remember the WWI arena had a small dedicated following like the AvA today. WWI aircombat was not as attractive then to most players as WWII aircombat. Especially after you discover it's not as easy as hopping in the cockpit and cranking out all your best winning MA tricks. Also, once you engage there is no WEP and a dive way at 550mph to save you. Dives will kill your crate more times than your opponent in WWI combat. It's very much like the 1vs1 part of the DA. You are stuck until you kill him or he does it to you.
This will be very frustrating for some players who are not sure of their skills for whom the LWMA technology gives them breathing room. On the other hand, large scale furballs will have the potential to look like keystone cops with "Spray and Pray Sticks" in a china shop. Especially with our collision model. :cheers:
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If as I suspect the "outside" WWI types come to AH to fly WWI planes then the WWII guys will not be bothered by the things they describe.
Actually my concern is that the WWI arena may not be big enough to hold all the guys that want to fly in it. There is a whole world of WWI pilots out there who care less about WWII planes, I think HTC has made a good decision and if they have to add a couple more guys to the staff in this lousy economy so much the better (I have a son in the gaming industry so like gaming expansion :) ).
As for type of play yes it will be different gone are the GV's, cannon kills, etc etc, but in its place are pure air combat, bombing and other types of strat. It will be a DF server at first but soon the clamor for bombers and more aircraft will lead to a DOA type of arena (which I found NOT to be boring in the least until after Dale and company got out of it)
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Personally I'm looking forward to this - not that I expect to last long in a fight, but it gives me time to practise the moves for the other arena's in a slower pace (hopefully anyway).
Plus, it'll make a nice addition to the current game.
Thanks HTC and Crew,
:salute
Wurzel
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Those of you talking about collisions, remember, the speeds are a lot lower so the displayed positions on each person's front end will be in much closer agreement than in the WWII arenas.
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All I can say is :aok and long overdue.
Can't wait to jump in the old Sopwith Camel.
Personally I'm looking forward to this - not that I expect to last long in a fight, but it gives me time to practise the moves for the other arena's in a slower pace (hopefully anyway).
If it's anything at all like WWI in AW the pace will be much much faster. These things turn on a dime.
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Those of you talking about collisions, remember, the speeds are a lot lower so the displayed positions on each person's front end will be in much closer agreement than in the WWII arenas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe8OOw5tRcY
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I am not sure I'm excited to fly at 120mph. But we'll see.
Most of our fights end up slower than that anyways. ;)
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If you like furballs and such with hurri1, spit1, 109E, brewster and I16, WWI combat will be a gas. I've noticed over the years when more powerful planes are avilable in the set, most players opt out for Quake vs. Halo on steroids. I could be wrong, but when was the last time we saw one of the top LW hot sticks land 12 kills with a I16.
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Wurzel posted this in the squadron forum.
This is our O'Club's on the first day WWI arena's go up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mISoR_3eXY
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I didn't read the entire thread so I apologize if this has all ready been covered by others at the CON.
1.) It was stated that there are no plans to add WW1 bombers
2.) There will be no base captures or strat targets
3.) The bases will be about 5 miles apart because of the slower speeds.
4.)The bases will not have ACK
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe8OOw5tRcY
That video has 100% nothing to do with what I was talking about.
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Looks like Waffle has hit the ball out of the park once again, dam he's good!
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Francesco Baracca's spad-XIII ftw!!!! Will these new planes attract more French ppl now ? :noid
(http://www.aspeterpan.com/book1/images/francesco_baracca_spadvii.gif)
(http://www.aspeterpan.com/book1/images/Spad%2013_Baracca.jpg)
WWI = dogfight at his pure state, and I'm no good at it. :joystick:
cheers :cheers:
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Release of the WWI planes is expected before the end of the year although it will not be in the next version release.
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:aok
Well in this case and release date fits into the xmas season, how about Snoopy vs. The Red Baron (Snoopy's Christmas):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlf---13Q0g&hl=de (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlf---13Q0g&hl=de)
(although I like the original from the The Royal Guardsmen-Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron much more :rock)
p.s. Can I become a beta-tester??? :devil
Regards
SF
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I didn't read the entire thread so I apologize if this has all ready been covered by others at the CON.
1.) It was stated that there are no plans to add WW1 bombers
2.) There will be no base captures or strat targets
3.) The bases will be about 5 miles apart because of the slower speeds.
4.)The bases will not have ACK
I don't see any of this in the "official" announcement on the home page??
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5.) there will be no french planes ... at all.
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5.) there will be no french planes ... at all.
Spad XIII would have been a great choice instead of the Bristol.
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I don't see any of this in the "official" announcement on the home page??
The CON attendees got a more detailed preview of what is coming via a Q&A session with HiTech and Pyro.
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LW hot sticks land 12 kills with a I16.
Rare occurrence even with the LW planes. And when you do. Vulching or re arming is usually a big part of it
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:x
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Count me in! 94th Aero sounds great!
:banana: let's do it
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So what do you guys think of this? :aok
I'd fly her.
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The CON attendees got a more detailed preview of what is coming via a Q&A session with HiTech and Pyro.
Ok thanks Skuzzy, but I hope that position will change if the arena draws alot of "new" customers :devil
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Any1 kno when they are putting it up :x :x
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I hope that the planes fly like they are supposed too. And there is a strategic element other than just dogfighting. Getting chased down by a Dr1 when your in a Fokker D7 would be enough to make me ponder if my 15 bucks is well spent.
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Since nobody plays in the Early War Arena, A WW I arena would be a gigantic waste of HTC efforts. If you don't believe me, go visit the Early War Arena ...it's a ghost town
I vote; NO!
Helm ...out
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I hope that the planes fly like they are supposed too. And there is a strategic element other than just dogfighting. Getting chased down by a Dr1 when your in a Fokker D7 would be enough to make me ponder if my 15 bucks is well spent.
From what i understand it is a dogfight only arena. Hopefully it does not pull too much resources. I'm concerned about the era I'm interested in and what brought me to AH in the first place..... WWII.
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Korean War Arena :cheers:
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Since nobody plays in the Early War Arena, A WW I arena would be a gigantic waste of HTC efforts. If you don't believe me, go visit the Early War Arena ...it's a ghost town
I vote; NO!
Helm ...out
i do not think so. Why? maybe the main reason for EW Arena looks like a ghost town is that every type of plane available over there its also available in every other Arena. On the other hand a WWI arena will have planes available only in this specific arena. So for every one that wants to fly -for a change- a WWI machine that will be the only place. That alone will make this arena unique.
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Most of our fights end up slower than that anyways. ;)
AH Scotch beat me to it. After the initial merge my plane is a helicopter.
I was about to order Rise of Flight. Now I dont have too. :x
I think it will be a hoot. It will be interesting.
:banana: :banana: :banana:
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Since nobody plays in the Early War Arena, A WW I arena would be a gigantic waste of HTC efforts. If you don't believe me, go visit the Early War Arena ...it's a ghost town
Hmm the reason I dont fly ew has nothing to do with the planes sets. It just sucks to fly 25 miles not to find any fight. you have 4 guys trying to take a base. I don't have the time to fly for two hrs looking for another con. anyway thats my $.02
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I hope that the planes fly like they are supposed too. And there is a strategic element other than just dogfighting. Getting chased down by a Dr1 when your in a Fokker D7 would be enough to make me ponder if my 15 bucks is well spent.
Dogfighting is strategy played out in split-seconds.
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Well the more options the better right?
No doubt some WW-1 fighting will improve your WW-ll fighting as well.
The more airplanes the better. No matter what war they are in. :aok
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Well the more options the better right?
More options in WWII era yes.
No doubt some WW-1 fighting will improve your WW-ll fighting as well.
There is no improving my poor cartoon peelot skills. I depend souly on luck.
The more airplanes the better. No matter what war they are in. :aok
WWII era yes. Fill in the planes and fix the outdated ones.
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I vote; NO!
Helm ...out
Vote? No one gets a stinking vote! Well one guy does :confused:
SB
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Im so excited!!!!! :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :O :O :O :O :O :O I can't believe it!!! awesome! WOOOOOOOOOO HTC rocks! :rock
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Hmm the pictures of the Fokker remind me more of leasurely flying rather than WW1 killing machines. Will they be in the MA? they would be tasty pickings :D
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Oh and did you guys see this is what it says on the front page. "They will be the first planes to use a new damage system with greatly expanded capability".
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From what i understand it is a dogfight only arena. Hopefully it does not pull too much resources. I'm concerned about the era I'm interested in and what brought me to AH in the first place..... WWII.
For once we agree Shuff. I too, am eying this with a sense of questionable intent. There are things that could and should be fixed with the main product prior to investing in a pet project like this. I think you put it as being akin to "a leak in the ship".
But, it is likely to play out quickly. After all, those that wish to furball only can go to the DA now.... and the most I've seen in there is around 45 or 50 lately. That's compared to the roughly 500 or so (combined) in both MA's on a given night....... the WW1 arena may bring old folks back, or bring in some new blood, but it will ultimately be a flash in the pan.
Worse case scenario for it is that the WW1 arena is moderately successful, and fractures the current community to the point that you can't find more than 150 on in any arena at any time. People start logging on and not finding any fights anywhere with any consistency.... they log off and do something else. Over-diversifying one's product has killed more than one company.
But, like the Brewster and the I-16... I'm happy for whoever wants this. IMO flying at 100 mph and pulling the stick as hard as possible in every direction, ad infinitum until death, is boring, which is exactly what this will be. To each his own. I prefer the dissimilar A/C fighting of WW2, where it's more of a head game.
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Both MA's? Hmm i thought there were 4 main arenas, must have been wrong.
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HTC ran survey's asked the community and then made a decision, many of us have been wanting this for along time.
Comparing this to AW is just silly on the face of it, I flew DoA when Dale and Pyro ran it and it was great. I see this being a GREAT alternative to 262's and 163's and I think it will pull in alot of guys who cannot find a good online WWI game.
Any of you who know Hitech and Pyro know that they usually think things out pretty well before they go into it, I am not saying they are always right but I do think all this pre guessing the results are just plain sour grapes.
Like many of you I have been flying these things since the Sierra Network days and Red Baron, I was in the original "Pig Stompers" as BigJim the same handle I use here in game, I flew AW at 6 bucks an hour on Genie, Warbirds (Confirmed Kill was the first name), AH and AH II so I have been around awhile and I can tell you that flying my DVa in DoA was one of the best times I have ever had in a Flight game.
I have seen what this team can do if they want to so don't be so sure to relegate this one to the dust bin, I got a feeling it will work in spades and won't hurt the WWII flying anymore than any "other" arena has.
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Worse case scenario for it is that the WW1 arena is moderately successful, and fractures the current community to the point that you can't find more than 150 on in any arena at any time. People start logging on and not finding any fights anywhere with any consistency.... they log off and do something else. Over-diversifying one's product has killed more than one company.
You are spoiled :P
Most of my online time in AH there is already no arena with more than 150 available - because it's early morning "over there" or, at my prime time, arena cap kicks in. ;)
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Fantastic - now Wooley finally gets to play at being Major Wooley (I hate that "bast***").
Read 'Goshawk Squadron' by Derek Robinson - one of the finest novels about military aviation I've ever read - and tell me you're not clamoring for a WW1 arena.
See you up there camel-dweebs.
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You are spoiled :P
Most of my online time in AH there is already no arena with more than 150 available
Was thinking the same thing. Wasn't too many years ago when 150 was a pretty good night in the MA.
Any time you can get 30+ people into an arena you've got no excuse for not having a lot of fun.
- oldman
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im looking forward to a WW1 arena! it will be a refreshing change and hopefully some fun fights. The planes looked interesting and flying the "Fokker on steroid" last saturday night was a hoot!
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People start logging on and not finding any fights anywhere with any consistency.... they log off and do something else.
Kind of like now?
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COOL, Gunna be like SimGuild's FLYING CIRCUS all over again :rock Grab yer dramamine and airsickbags :x
Anyone else used to fly in FC? :bolt: elfy
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HTC ran survey's asked the community and then made a decision, many of us have been wanting this for along time.
Comparing this to AW is just silly on the face of it, I flew DoA when Dale and Pyro ran it and it was great. I see this being a GREAT alternative to 262's and 163's and I think it will pull in alot of guys who cannot find a good online WWI game.
Any of you who know Hitech and Pyro know that they usually think things out pretty well before they go into it, I am not saying they are always right but I do think all this pre guessing the results are just plain sour grapes.
Like many of you I have been flying these things since the Sierra Network days and Red Baron, I was in the original "Pig Stompers" as BigJim the same handle I use here in game, I flew AW at 6 bucks an hour on Genie, Warbirds (Confirmed Kill was the first name), AH and AH II so I have been around awhile and I can tell you that flying my DVa in DoA was one of the best times I have ever had in a Flight game.
I have seen what this team can do if they want to so don't be so sure to relegate this one to the dust bin, I got a feeling it will work in spades and won't hurt the WWII flying anymore than any "other" arena has.
CT
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This is going to be a lot of fun. :aok
Now where did I put my goggles..? :x
:)
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CT
Gee Shuffler why does your idea of fun have to make you so negative about what others have fun with. Case in point the 2V2 tourney during the con. I only fly during the con and still took 2nd for the second year in a row so I do have some skills. The MA has no appeal for me but WWI does. I know that doesn't work for you but I'm not squeaking to change how you have your fun. There is an audience for WWI and expanding the plane set in that direction does give HTC some benefit. Putting more WWII planes in that won't get used except for historical scenarios looks to be less attractive to getting new players in than doing WWI right. The number of sorties for each plane type over a campaign would make for some interesting reading.
The new damage modeling system that will be introduced with the WWI plane set will benefit the entire population. Tweaking and refining on the WWI plane set is easier with fewer aircraft than it would be rolling it out to the entire list of WWII planes. If something isn't right with the damage modeling it can be cleaned up and tested quicker and faster. When it's right then it will be rolled out to the WWII plane set. This is no small undertaking and doing it right is important to HTC. I played a bit of DOA and the damage modeling they had there was so superior to the AW way of doing things it was great. Now HTC is refining this even more.
Rational arguments are welcomed. We won't change each others minds is a given and what we argue about doesn't matter one bit to what HTC will do with their game.
SB
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This will bring me to resub for a least a few months.
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Gee Shuffler why does your idea of fun have to make you so negative about what others have fun with. Case in point the 2V2 tourney during the con. I only fly during the con and still took 2nd for the second year in a row so I do have some skills. The MA has no appeal for me but WWI does. I know that doesn't work for you but I'm not squeaking to change how you have your fun. There is an audience for WWI and expanding the plane set in that direction does give HTC some benefit. Putting more WWII planes in that won't get used except for historical scenarios looks to be less attractive to getting new players in than doing WWI right. The number of sorties for each plane type over a campaign would make for some interesting reading.
The new damage modeling system that will be introduced with the WWI plane set will benefit the entire population. Tweaking and refining on the WWI plane set is easier with fewer aircraft than it would be rolling it out to the entire list of WWII planes. If something isn't right with the damage modeling it can be cleaned up and tested quicker and faster. When it's right then it will be rolled out to the WWII plane set. This is no small undertaking and doing it right is important to HTC. I played a bit of DOA and the damage modeling they had there was so superior to the AW way of doing things it was great. Now HTC is refining this even more.
Rational arguments are welcomed. We won't change each others minds is a given and what we argue about doesn't matter one bit to what HTC will do with their game.
SB
Reality bites doesn't it. We could paint roses on the side of a garbage can... but it would still be a garbage can. The fact remains.... every single person that has come to AH to this point has done so for the WWII era.
As I said in another thread. If WWII goes stagnant, the WWI arena better pull way more than the few that are "interested" here now.
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The fact remains.... every single person that has come to AH to this point has done so for the WWII era.
There is no similar game for the WWI era, so I did not have much choices ;)
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Reality bites doesn't it. We could paint roses on the side of a garbage can... but it would still be a garbage can. The fact remains.... every single person that has come to AH to this point has done so for the WWII era.
As I said in another thread. If WWII goes stagnant, the WWI arena better pull way more than the few that are "interested" here now.
I do not think the game is in as bad of shape as you appear to think it is. Of course I might be wrong. To me the WW1 arena is just another option of air combat that susbscribers can avail themselves of, if they wish. I know I will be spending time there. But I will still spend time in ww2. If they created more eras I would play there as well. Just like all the cartoon planes I choose to play in, the more the better.
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I do not think the game is in as bad of shape as you appear to think it is. Of course I might be wrong. To me the WW1 arena is just another option of air combat that susbscribers can avail themselves of, if they wish. I know I will be spending time there. But I will still spend time in ww2. If they created more eras I would play there as well. Just like all the cartoon planes I choose to play in, the more the better.
I never said the game was in bad shape. It was very stagnant when CT was on the boards. Hope it never gets that way again. That is why I'm concerned. With very limited man power, anything outside the realm is a threat.
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Reality bites doesn't it. We could paint roses on the side of a garbage can... but it would still be a garbage can. The fact remains.... every single person that has come to AH to this point has done so for the WWII era.
As I said in another thread. If WWII goes stagnant, the WWI arena better pull way more than the few that are "interested" here now.
I think I said rational arguments. I'm curious why you are so afraid that HTC won't take care of it's bread and butter.
For another view why doesn't HTC put in a all night ops WWII arena. That should make you happy with the various Ju-88s, Mossies, He-219, waves of Lancs and He-111s and such. That was a major part of WWII that should be addressed by your logic. It probably wouldn't get a whole lot of play but hey, it's WWII. What about a all ground attack arena with beaufighters and such hitting rail yards, shipping, and truck convoys. That was another major part of WWII that really isn't getting addressed either.
You can keep painting garbage cans if you want, I'll be enjoying what we have.
SB
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Like it or not we are getting this arena.
Time to embrace the idea and try it out.
We might like it more than we think we will.
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I think I said rational arguments. I'm curious why you are so afraid that HTC won't take care of it's bread and butter.
For another view why doesn't HTC put in a all night ops WWII arena. That should make you happy with the various Ju-88s, Mossies, He-219, waves of Lancs and He-111s and such. That was a major part of WWII that should be addressed by your logic. It probably wouldn't get a whole lot of play but hey, it's WWII. What about a all ground attack arena with beaufighters and such hitting rail yards, shipping, and truck convoys. That was another major part of WWII that really isn't getting addressed either.
You can keep painting garbage cans if you want, I'll be enjoying what we have.
SB
Your idea of rational is a bit suspect.
The game is all about WWII fighters. The other things to do have been added since. All WWII era..
Now by your way of thinking.... why don't they add an arena for online Monopoly.
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Well, I'll resubscribe when the WWI arena comes online... Thats $15 bucks in HT's pocket that wouldn't be there before... Simply because this will be something NEW, instead of the same'o same'o....
There are many other WWI era enthusiasts out there that will come as well... Because HT has the best flight modeling in the biz...
Just hoping they go "lean" on the built in gamey stuff, and make it as DIFFICULT to master, as WWI planes were...
So it won't be boring after a month...
RC
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Remember, these fighters are also being used to test out the new damage modeling. That isn't nothing.
I am not sure if the damage modeling could be applied piecemeal to the large WWII planeset very well.
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Same here, Rip. I quit the game in August. When WW1 comes in I will re subscribe.
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(http://www.cornellcollege.edu/history/courses/stewart/his260-3-2006/04%20four/images/WWI/Air%20Corp.jpg)
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The fact remains.... every single person that has come to AH to this point has done so for the WWII era.
Really? Nobody ever joined AH just for the fun of it? Amazing!
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YES! I took a break from AH for a while, but now I have the motivation I needed to come back. Thanks HTC! :x
:banana:
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Really? Nobody ever joined AH just for the fun of it? Amazing!
Well unless they are part of 20 type games they have no interst in....
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Well if HTC decides to add Monopoly it will probably have the best flight model out there. BTW I call dibs on the plane!
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Well if HTC decides to add Monopoly it will probably have the best flight model out there. BTW I call dibs on the plane!
DOH! :rofl
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Your idea of rational is a bit suspect.
The game is all about WWII fighters. The other things to do have been added since. All WWII era..
Now by your way of thinking.... why don't they add an arena for online Monopoly.
Hmmmm guess you haven't found the bombers in the game.
HTC will add what they think will bring them subscribers. If it's Monopoly I'm sure you can understand the rules of the game.
Oh yeah, look up Bruce Carr. Interesting fellow I got to meet in Orlando in 98. He was flying a P-51 "fighter" on a ground attack mission and was shot down. He returned to his airfield in a FW-190. He was also a triple ace.
Guess we need to add in escape and evasion if you're shot down?
SB
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Heheh Shuffler remindes me of a buggy whip salesman when auto's were introduced :neener:
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Well, I'll resubscribe when the WWI arena comes online... Thats $15 bucks in HT's pocket that wouldn't be there before... Simply because this will be something NEW, instead of the same'o same'o....
There are many other WWI era enthusiasts out there that will come as well... Because HT has the best flight modeling in the biz...
Just hoping they go "lean" on the built in gamey stuff, and make it as DIFFICULT to master, as WWI planes were...
So it won't be boring after a month...
RC
Hmmm making it artifically hard is gamey too, I vote for just a true FM easy or hard depending on the physics of the plane design :old:
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Heheh Shuffler remindes me of a buggy whip salesman when auto's were introduced :neener:
Now that right there is very funny. I'd be willing to bet that even Shuffler himself had to
chuckle at that. ;)
I vote for just a true FM easy or hard depending on the physics of the plane design
Amen to that!
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Heheh Shuffler remindes me of a buggy whip salesman when auto's were introduced :neener:
Mark my words. ;)
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The dawn of aviation, the dawn of air combat. The first aces. I find it unbelievable that with the huge *gap* in the market that exists for WWI air combat there are naysayers. Fortunately, if the survey indicates anything, the nabobs of negativity are outnumbered 3-1.
I have "First Eagles" by Thirdwire. Even though the view system SUCKS in comparison to the standard set by AHII, the graphics and sound are dated,the plane set is limited the modeling is iffy, and there is no online play, it is still fun. I can only imagine how great it can be when HTC develops the same subject.
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I'm neither for nor against the WWI arena- I'll have a lot of fun in there with wood and canvas puddle jumpers, but I'd rather have any resources spent on that be spent on the core WWII game (personally)- however I'm wondering where all of these numbers are coming from. I keep seeing that 75%+ of people supported WWI planes, however everywhere I look I see a much closer to 50-50 split.
Did HTC release the results of the poll they did some months ago or something? Or is this simply a case of '89% of statistics are made up on the spot'?
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I fully support the WWI arena. I also strongly advocate for having just two sides (pawns & queens maybe :t ).
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Fortunately, if the survey indicates anything, the nabobs of negativity are outnumbered 3-1.
Though the "I wanna have it" number may (and most probably will) be much higher than the number of players actually using the arena for more than a few weeks ;)
(See the large number of players voting for the P-39.. and after a few days it wasn't even really used in EW anymore)
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Though the "I wanna have it" number may (and most probably will) be much higher than the number of players actually using the arena for more than a few weeks ;)
(See the large number of players voting for the P-39.. and after a few days it wasn't even really used in EW anymore)
Using the arena will be directly proportionate to the attention given it, if it stays at just 4 fighters and no bombers or strat then probably will decline a bit after the first blush, OTH if it gets half the attention WWII gets and few new rides are offered from time to time, some reasonable strat is added, some bombers, etc I can see it growing by leaps and bounds. I see guys like Mano returning and many more like him, alot of the new guys don't know that many of the old time squads in here came from WWI sims, AK's, WW's, Pig Stompers all come to mind ;)
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(See the large number of players voting for the P-39.. and after a few days it wasn't even really used in EW anymore)
Of course it won, it was American.
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Of course it won, it was American.
If there is no other motivation to win the next world war knowing your country will get a few more cartoon airplanes 60 years later should be. :aok
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If there is no other motivation to win the next world war knowing your country will get a few more cartoon airplanes 60 years later should be. :aok
The Russians and British didn't win?
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I'll resubscribe in a heartbeat. Good job, HT.
Macchi
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I don't really see what the hubbub is about. HTC, basically, announced all of this a year ago, with the caveat that much of the "work" was already in the can.
As for what the current game is about...originally, it was about air combat. These days, the game is more about "capture the flag" w/ airplanes (and for me, it doesn't really do that very well). If WW1 can provide a place for folks that are here for skilled competition (and unskilled targets :))....then :rock more is the better. :D
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Its all about the experiences. The sights and sounds will be new. The flying will probably be VERY new compared to WWII monoplanes that were light years more advanced, even in 1940. The combat will be VERY close. If the gunnery is modeled accurately, 50 yards will be the standard killing distance...the extent to which the opponent is filling your forward view, paint details, flying wires, goggle, scarf and all, will make it different.
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Fortunately, if the survey indicates anything, the nabobs of negativity are outnumbered 3-1.
Results of what survey? The questionaire HTC held via the game a while ago or are you talking about opinions on this and other threads? If HTC published the results of their survey, then I've definately missed that. Personally, I voted "nay" because I wanted to see more rounded out WWII planeset so I guess that makes me "a nanob of negativity" what ever that means. I just find it comical that you BnZs and the likes of you feel the need to run around this BBS calling people names because they don't happen to share your preferences/opinions.
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...And before the other thought polices pile in on me, I'm very very happy that we are getting a new damage model. It has for years been my biggest "complaint" in the features of the game, a small "complaint" at that as the current one has still served its purpose, it just has been quite dated for quite a while now. And I'm sure I'm going to have helluva lot of fun in the WWI-arena. I'm an aviation fan in general, all eras all planes. :)
I just think that with AHII HTC is roughly 20 WWII planes away from having all important aircraft for pretty much all conflicts that are playable as special events. And this is happening "for the first time in the history of mankind" so to speak. :) I really don't count WarBirds to this as it was IMO pretty much ruined after HT and Pyro left. Because of the way Imagic handled things, the realization of this "dream" of having all the important WWII a/c in one MMOG WWII-sim took a big hit as HT had to start from scratch (a lot of good came from it too, of course). Now with AHII we are closer to this than ever before. That's why I would have liked them to focus on making those last 20 "special event WWII a/c" before doing the WWI-era. It's about development decisions, HTC made theirs and I very much respect that.
All in all, I'm very happy with AH, I have my Brewster and soon there's a new damage model and some kites to play with. :)
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After 75% of the community voiced their opinions that they wanted WWI, the rest of the community is now coming out and saying they don't want it, just like the ENY...gotta love it. :rolleyes:
Problem is: we have still a lot of WW2 a/c with ugly 1990 's graphics and you open a WW1 arena?
Great news but .... WORK ON WW2 a/c AS WELL! :mad:
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The Russians and British didn't win?
As an aide once told Patton during a speach in England " the French don't forget the French"
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(See the large number of players voting for the P-39.. and after a few days it wasn't even really used in EW anymore)
The P-39 is used frequently in special events.
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The P-39 is used frequently in special events.
I know, but I'm talking about the place where players fly 90% of the time and actually do take choices ;)
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As for what the current game is about...originally, it was about air combat.
I was wondering when someone would finally point this out. No question that WWII is the most popular period for air combat, but other eras are still providing the same basic opportunities.
- oldman
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"If HTC published the results of their survey.."
Hey! Did you get a chance to see the news on the front page?
We're getting WWI planes!! :)
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"If HTC published the results of their survey.."
Hey! Did you get a chance to see the news on the front page?
We're getting WWI planes!! :)
:rolleyes:
You obviously didn't grasp what I was talking about, did you?
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I absolutely did but my making light of your question having already been
answered (and obviously too) flew right over your head. So I'll elaborate..
Once upon a time there was an online survey. Which was closely followed
by a topic of 13 pages long about it!
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,256883.0.html
Well.
The RESULTS of the survey were announced in the news section the
other day when they stated that they ARE going to ADD WWI aircraft
and an arena to use them in. What more are you looking for?
An email or an actual vote tally?
"Results of what survey?.... If HTC published the results of their survey,
then I've definately missed that."
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Geezus at the people acting like the WWII portion of AHII is a half-finished first draft...
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Isn't this debate moot?
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Insert picture of the Moot Cow here.
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I absolutely did but my making light of your question having already been
answered (and obviously too) flew right over your head. So I'll elaborate..
Once upon a time there was an online survey. Which was closely followed
by a topic of 13 pages long about it!
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,256883.0.html
Well.
The RESULTS of the survey were announced in the news section the
other day when they stated that they ARE going to ADD WWI aircraft
and an arena to use them in. What more are you looking for?
An email or an actual vote tally?
"Results of what survey?.... If HTC published the results of their survey,
then I've definately missed that."
Nothing has gone over my head. It's you who has bad problems with reading comprehension.
BnZs said that the people who were "against" WWI-arena were out numbered 3 to 1. So, I asked to what he bases those numbers on and are they perhaps based on the survey HTC did within the game. By *results* I of course meant the % of people who voted "yes" and the ones who voted "no". Is this clear enough for you? It should have been the first time considering the context I used the word "results" initially.
Geezus at the people acting like the WWII portion of AHII is a half-finished first draft...
I haven't seen anyone in this thread saying anything like that. Why don't you start naming names for these shots of yours. Who do you think thinks like that in this thread?
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Oh yeah, look up Bruce Carr. Interesting fellow I got to meet in Orlando in 98. He was flying a P-51 "fighter" on a ground attack mission and was shot down. He returned to his airfield in a FW-190. He was also a triple ace.
SB
Not a true story. No shoot down, no escape and evasion and surely no 'stolen' FW190 in a dramatic escape back to his base.
ack-ack
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It will make a nice change. I am a bit puzzled by those who don't want this arena :headscratch: I guess they should just treat it like a television show they don't like. CHANGE THE CHANNEL you don't have to watch it.
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(http://www.dogmall.co.uk/smile/fighting/fighting0029.gif) (http://www.dogmall.co.uk/dog-toys/indestructible-dog-toys/)
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"It's you who has bad problems with reading comprehension."
I quoted and replied to what you said. Not what you may have tried
to say in-between the lines or thought you inferring. If there's a problem
sunshine it was your fingers failing to type what your brain was trying
to convey.
Nothing "wrong" with being wrong so just accept it, learn from your error
and move on.
And yes, you are a "a nanob of negativity." That is something else you
could work on.
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I quoted and replied to what you said.
...and you obviously didn't take a single look at the statement what I was replying to. Like I said, if you would have read/understood the whole post I posted, including the quote I was replying to, it should have been fairly clear what I was talking about. Either you didn't read the whole thing or didn't understand it.
Regarding the "a nanob of negativity" comment, I see you are like BnZs and just flame people because they don't happen to agree with you.
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Take it to PMs fellas let some others fight it out for awhile
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Oh yeah, look up Bruce Carr. Interesting fellow I got to meet in Orlando in 98. He was flying a P-51 "fighter" on a ground attack mission and was shot down. He returned to his airfield in a FW-190. He was also a triple ace.
SB
Never happened!
He was not shot down. He hitch hiked to the german airfield appropriated a fw190 in flyable condition. He was escorted back to his base by 51Ds where he had to belly land it.
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Never happened!
He was not shot down. He hitch hiked to the german airfield appropriated a fw190 in flyable condition. He was escorted back to his base by 51Ds where he had to belly land it.
Shuff...
He is telling you what Bruce Carr told us. I was there as well. :)
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I absolutely did but my making light of your question having already been
answered (and obviously too) flew right over your head. So I'll elaborate..
Once upon a time there was an online survey. Which was closely followed
by a topic of 13 pages long about it!
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,256883.0.html
Well.
The RESULTS of the survey were announced in the news section the
other day when they stated that they ARE going to ADD WWI aircraft
and an arena to use them in. What more are you looking for?
An email or an actual vote tally?
"Results of what survey?.... If HTC published the results of their survey,
then I've definately missed that."
I think that, for better or for worse (generally for better), HTC doesn't really care what people say they want (perhaps that can be taken the wrong way- they use a lot of salt). HiTech has more or less said this before in 20+ page threads about ENY and arena caps where vast quantities of people complain about how terrible and oppressive these systems are. HTC does what they know will work best for their bottom line and in the end, theoretically for the player base.
To be honest I would imagine that the poll was more or less an afterthought after the decision was made, and that the only way that they would have changed their minds if there was a significant majority in the 'I don't want anything to do with this'- after all, much of what this is intended to do, I would assume, is to expand the player base, not just placate the existing base, and that demographic (those who don't already play) would not be able to vote in the poll.
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Shuff...
He is telling you what Bruce Carr told us. I was there as well. :)
The story has grown then hasn't it.
Did he capture hitler all by himself? lol Kind of like in Seargent York when the doughboys are marching.
"In response to requests for more details and photos of Bruce Carr's supposed stolen FW-190, here is the real story. AFTER VE-Day the 354th FG was on occupation duty and everyone was bored.
Many of the group's personnel began appropiating captured Luftwaffe equiptment including car, cycles and of course for the pilots a/c for their own enjoyment. Maj. Jim Dalglish CO of the 353rd FG had his own FW-190. Bruce Carr decided to get one for himself and hitchhiked to a German airfield near Linz, Austria where he found a flyable FW-109. Has prearranged, a flight of 353rd FS P-51Ds arrived overhead to escort Carr and his prize back to the 354th FG's homebase at Ansbach. Unfortunately Carr couldn't get the gear down and slide the FW in on it's belly.
After this inclident the practice of flying German aircraft was banned. Sorry no shotdown, evasion or stolen FW just one a post war adventure that turn into a whopper of a story. "
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/fugari/FW-190Carr2.jpg)
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The story has grown then hasn't it.
Did he capture hitler all by himself? lol Kind of like in Seargent York when the doughboys are marching.
"In response to requests for more details and photos of Bruce Carr's supposed stolen FW-190, here is the real story. AFTER VE-Day the 354th FG was on occupation duty and everyone was bored.
Many of the group's personnel began appropiating captured Luftwaffe equiptment including car, cycles and of course for the pilots a/c for their own enjoyment. Maj. Jim Dalglish CO of the 353rd FG had his own FW-190. Bruce Carr decided to get one for himself and hitchhiked to a German airfield near Linz, Austria where he found a flyable FW-109. Has prearranged, a flight of 353rd FS P-51Ds arrived overhead to escort Carr and his prize back to the 354th FG's homebase at Ansbach. Unfortunately Carr couldn't get the gear down and slide the FW in on it's belly.
After this inclident the practice of flying German aircraft was banned. Sorry no shotdown, evasion or stolen FW just one a post war adventure that turn into a whopper of a story. "
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/fugari/FW-190Carr2.jpg)
and your information came from where?
Bruce Carr
Reproduced with permission of Air Force Magazine, copyright protected
Valor, February 1995, Vol. 78, No. 2, by John L. Frisbee, Contributing Editor
Thanks, Luftwaffe
Downed far behind enemy lines, an American P-51 pilot made a dramatic escape with the unintended help of the Luftwaffe.
Bruce Carr ended World War II as a lieutenant with 14 victories confirmed and the Distinguished Service Cross. Despite all that, he denies any claim to heroism--a doubtful assertion--but he can't disclaim his role in a daring experience, to our knowledge unique in the history of that war.
Bruce Carr was a P-51 pilot with the 354th Fighter Group. At the time of this adventure, the group was based in France. In October 1944, while on a mission over Czechoslovakia, he was downed by flak. After days of evading--cold, hungry, and physically exhausted--he decided it was better to turn himself in to the Luftwaffe than to risk capture by the locals. He knew from the surrounding air activity that there was a German airfield not far away.
Lieutenant Carr found his way to the field and hid in the forest outside a fence surrounding a revetment in the woods. An FW-190 was parked there; its ground crew was completing servicing the aircraft. It was full of fuel and ready to go. Carr's plan of surrender took a 180-degree turn to the positive side. Maybe he could "borrow" the enemy fighter and fly back to his base in France. If he were caught tinkering with the bird, things would not go well, but it was worth a shot.
As dusk fell, Carr slipped through the fence and climbed into the FW-190. In the failing light, he did his best to familiarize himself with the cockpit and get ready for a takeoff at dawn. All switches and gauges were labeled in German, hence of no help. Then by the gray light of dawn, the young lieutenant found the switches for gear and flaps. Now to start the engine and get on his way before the ground crew arrived to preflight the bird.
To the right of the seat was a handle that he guessed might have something to do with starting the engine. Already there were sounds of activity on the field, so he didn't have much time for experimenting. Cautiously, Carr pulled the handle. Nothing happened. He tried pushing it. He was rewarded by the sound of an inertial starter winding up. Pulling the handle must engage the starter, he guessed. He cracked the throttle, wound up the starter, and pulled. The engine came to life with a roar. Taxiing through the woods with no parachute, helmet, or radio, he could see a green field ahead and no signs of unfriendly reaction. Carr firewalled the throttle, then roared across the field and into the air, leveling off at treetop altitude. He saw no sign of pursuit as he headed for home. Flying the fighter was no problem. An airplane is an airplane, as they say. He didn't have time to consider what would happen at the field when the Germans discovered one of their planes was missing.
All went well until he reached the front lines. Every armed Allied soldier in range opened fire on him. There was little Lieutenant Carr could do in the way of evasive action since he was blowing leaves off the tops of trees, but his luck held. No hits.
Another problem lay ahead: the likelihood of being shot down by his own airfield defenses. Without a radio, he had no way of assuring them that this was a friendly FW-190. It was best to get on the ground as fast as possible. He came screaming in on the deck, pulled up, rolled over on his back, reefed it in for a short approach, dropped flaps, and pushed the button he thought would lower the landing gear. There was no reassuring thump of gear coming down. As he pulled up for another try, he could see the AA crews uncovering their 40-mm guns. With no parachute, his only option for avoiding another encounter with flak was to belly in. This he did without injury.
As the FW-190 ground to a stop, Lieutenant Carr was surrounded by MPs, whom he could not convince that he was a 354th pilot on a delayed return from a mission. Things grew more and more tense until the group commander, Col. George Bickell, arrived and stuck his head into the cockpit. His first words were, "Carr, where in hell have you been?"
After his extraordinary experience, Bruce Carr was back on operations in a few days. By April 15, he was credited with 7.5 more victories, five on one mission, putting him among the top 50 World War II AAF fighter aces. Today, retired Colonel Carr flies a P-51 owned by Dr. Joseph Newsome--but, he says, a little more conservatively than in years gone by. And with the consent of the owner.
Sources:
Air Force Magazine, Valor, February 1995, Vol. 78, No. 2, by John L. Frisbee
SB
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back on the idea of a WWI arena... I'm looking forward to the change of pace. :) Slow things down a bit. ;)
One would have to believe that less coding, or less intricate coding would be involved due to the much narrower band of aircraft performances in WWI.
It will be interesting. Lets hope the WWI project doesn't tie up resources that could be used to better the WWII arena. There are some holes left in the aircraft list (He111, P40N, 109G-10, Mig-3, a true Mossi FB Mk IV, D520, Ki45, etc) AND there are some glaring and I suppose debatable "inaccuracies" in a number of WWII aircraft. :(
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I like that pic there Shuffler nice find. :)
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LOL the efforts Shuf is willing to go to derail WWI are epic :noid :cheers:
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Whilst getting my hair cut today I was being entertained with the barber's vacation. Seems he went to the Eagles Museum in Elmira/Corning NY. (Been there in 1998)
His guide was a WWII vet, 85 years old. The guy was a hoot evidently. Called a pair of scottish visiting who didn't want a guide "damned foreigners!"
But anyway, seems he was in the air force in WWII, in the Battle of the Bulge. Seems he was a pilot in the 9th AF who was drafted to DRIVE TANKS in Patton's Army while it was refueling for the drive on Bastogne. They evidently needed the men. Patton told him "If you can fly a plane, you can drive a tank". So he was sent off to drive a tank to Bastogne. He also knew the guy who found the Germans flying that piper cub in the fog. Said that Henry Fonda protrayed him very well.
Now, the guy is 85. Cusses like a banshee evidently, and has every darn right to enjoy himself and show people around his musem and entertain them. More power and a long happy life to him.
However, I have been taking all stories from Vets with a grain of salt since the 80s. Each year the stories grow in the telling as memories get more cloudy.
I was there in 98 (?) when Carr buzzed our buses at the air musem in 'Crazy Horse'. I heard that story and rolled my eyes at the time. The guy was a great pilot, did very well in the war and had no need to stretch the truth.. but that doesn't mean that he didn't and that his memory of what happened might have been fogged by time. If its true, great. But like all stories by vets in their later years I would suggest research and a step back to look at the whole story.
And back on topic, I cannot wait to start skinning WWI aircraft!
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Info & pic from Dan(Corkyjr)
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and your information came from where?
SB
After I read the story of Carr, I was curious to see if there were any German records about the incident. It would have been pretty interesting to read about the affair from the German perspective, especially about their Focke Wulf being stolen. So I posted in the SAPP forums asking Dan if he knew of any German records about the incident and he replied back with the real story of what happened.
I consider Dan to a rather good source when it comes to things like this.
ack-ack
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And back on topic, I cannot wait to start skinning WWI aircraft!
But some for Witchcraft first? :pray
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Can't wait :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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"I consider Dan to a rather good source when it comes to things like this."
Absolutely. And he's always handled telling the facts with class and courtesy.
Something Shuffler may want to try and practice to get right someday too..
Fencer, can't wait to see your artistry in action! I have the following in pdf form
if you would like them for reference:
Fokker Dr.I Fokker DR-1 in Detail and Profile Publications No.55 - Fokker Dr.I
Sopwith Camel Profile Publications No.31 - Sopwith Camel
Fokker D.VII Fokker D.VII in Detail and Profile Publications No.25 - Fokker D.VII
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Then I guess I'm curious as to where Dan got his information as I have not found any references to this story being false. I would expect the Airforce Magazine to do proper research before they publish an article.
SB
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"I consider Dan to a rather good source when it comes to things like this."
Absolutely. And he's always handled telling the facts with class and courtesy.
Something Shuffler may want to try and practice to get right someday too..
Fencer, can't wait to see your artistry in action! I have the following in pdf form
if you would like them for reference:
Fokker Dr.I Fokker DR-1 in Detail and Profile Publications No.55 - Fokker Dr.I
Sopwith Camel Profile Publications No.31 - Sopwith Camel
Fokker D.VII Fokker D.VII in Detail and Profile Publications No.25 - Fokker D.VII
Sorry I am so blunt. Maybe you should quit reading my post if you don't like the truth.
Then I guess I'm curious as to where Dan got his information as I have not found any references to this story being false. I would expect the Airforce Magazine to do proper research before they publish an article.
SB
Good question.. I'll see if I can find out or have him post it.
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I have no problem with the truth. Don't try to twist it.
It's your anti-social and juvenile presentation that is the problem.
If there were an ignore feature on this board I would use it as
your posts are like rice cakes - you put them up here but they're
bland and of no real substance..
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I have no problem with the truth. Don't try to twist it.
It's your anti-social and juvenile presentation that is the problem.
If there were an ignore feature on this board I would use it as
your posts are like rice cakes - you put them up here but they're
bland and of no real substance..
Opinions vary :D
Do you just hang out on this BBS or are you actually part of the AH community. I don't recall seeing you in the game I guess.
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Can't wait to fly those ol' planes. Anyone have an E.T.A. on their arrival?
Big :aok
Mano
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Oooops
Found this on the main web page. D'oh.
October 19, 2009
Coming Soon: World War I Air Combat! We are pleased to announce an upcoming expansion to the Aces High plane set that will introduce World War I (WWI) air combat to the skies of Aces High. The initial four plane set will consist of the Fokker Dr.I, Sopwith Camel, Bristol F.2B, and Fokker D.VII.
These new planes will be available in a separate WWI dogfight arena and will also be available for special events. They will be the first planes to use a new damage system with greatly expanded capability.
Release of the WWI planes is expected before the end of the year although it will not be in the next version release.
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"Do you just hang out on this BBS or are you actually part of the AH community.
I don't recall seeing you in the game I guess."
Haven't flown online here in a few years. But I've been here a lot longer than you
and contributed a hell of a lot more too. Are you now a self-appointed usher who
checks ticket stubs to see if patrons belong here or not? Either grow up and
contribute something positive to some discussion somewhere here or just stop
mouthing off like a retard by putting a clamp on it.
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"Do you just hang out on this BBS or are you actually part of the AH community.
I don't recall seeing you in the game I guess."
Haven't flown online here in a few years. But I've been here a lot longer than you
and contributed a hell of a lot more too. Are you now a self-appointed usher who
checks ticket stubs to see if patrons belong here or not? Either grow up and
contribute something positive to some discussion somewhere here or just stop
mouthing off like a retard by putting a clamp on it.
Good thing your gone. we don't need your type here.
You have no idea how long I have been on AH. I was flying here long before I signed on to these boards.
BTW hope your close to the end of your cycle so your attitude improves.
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Dan ever get back to you on his sources for the Bruce Carr story?
SB
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It didn't make it in air warrior, it won't make it here
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Not my thing man, not interested in ww1 planes. Back when I was flying WB's I would go into the ww1 arena, just a big furball all the time, so it was just a ww1 DA. Ok for some, but never had the numbers of the MA.
Fix The Film Viewer!
~kc
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Dan ever get back to you on his sources for the Bruce Carr story?
SB
Not yet he will though. He has some real life going on as his son had an operation recently and is recovering. I'll surely post it as soon as I get it <S>
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Thank you HTC. Wishes in the wish list do come true :D
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I think some will find it fun for a while, until the new rubs off ....... I will try it a few times... but will always return to the World War II plane set the most.
I voted for the Korea war plane set and arena. Here are just a short list as of why. Just my 2 cents and a paying customer.
Korean War
(CV = Aircraft Carrier supported)
U.S. aircraft
F9F Panther - jet - CV
F80 - jet
F84 - jet
F86 - jet
F-94 Starfire - jet
F2H Banshee - jet - CV
F-82 Twin Mustang
F4U's - FG -1 Corsair - CV
F7F - Tigercat
F8F - Bearcat - CV
A-1 Skyraider - CV
P47D's thru N models
P-51 Mustang
T-6 Texan
PB4Y-2 Privateer
P-2 Neptune
B-29
A-26 Invader
C-124 Globemaster II
C-119 Flying Boxcar
Helicopters
Sikorsky H-19
Sikorsky H-5
Westland Dragonfly
OH-23 Raven
Britain
Gloster Meteor - jet
Super marine Spitfire - CV
Hawker Sea Fury - CV
Chinese / Russian / North Korean
Ilyushin IL-10
Yak 3
Yak 15 - jet
La-11
LA 160 - jet
Mig9 - jet
Mig15 - jet
Mig 17 - jet
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I think some will find it fun for a while, until the new rubs off ....... I will try it a few times... but will always return to the World War II plane set the most.
I voted for the Korea war plane set and arena. Here are just a short list as of why. Just my 2 cents and a paying customer.
Alert HIJACK attempt :O those of us that like WWI plane set are :aok :neener:
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WWI - Map should be easy to build ...any larger might take 5 hours to get a enemy base, beyond 2 sectors. Be like flying a Cessna 152.
Lets break the speed barrier of 110 MPH. YEEEEAAAA! :banana:
(http://79thfg.low-ping.com/user/59132//HTC - Aces High II BB - BS/wwi_map.jpg)
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I'm a bit of a stick in the mud. I can't say I'm excited at all. I think you may end up with very small player bases in many arenas. Look at early war arena. I saw 5 guys in there the other day while late war had over 300 hundred.
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You are probably right GB... My enthusiasm is bleedin away already, and WWI arena it hasn't even started yet...
:old: Gettin to old for this stuff anyway...
RC
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I'm a bit of a stick in the mud. I can't say I'm excited at all. I think you may end up with very small player bases in many arenas. Look at early war arena. I saw 5 guys in there the other day while late war had over 300 hundred.
Could be. But the folks in the lower-population arenas will presumably be happy enough, and the MAs won't suffer the loss of such few numbers.
- oldman
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WWI is gonna be awsome. I love WWI planes and flying them with a HTC flight model is gonna be alot of fun!!
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Could be. But the folks in the lower-population arenas will presumably be happy enough, and the MAs won't suffer the loss of such few numbers.
- oldman
The only possible loss is timely updates.
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After experiencing the travesty that is Rise of Flight, I have high hopes for HTC's WW1 arena. I look forward to it and hope that it catches on...
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You have to give RoF a break remember that it's a beta that you pay for... oh wait. :devil
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You have to give RoF a break remember that it's a beta that you pay for... oh wait. :devil
Exactly... RoF sucks buttocks... I'm looking forward to whatever HTC presents
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You have to give RoF a break remember that it's a beta that you pay for... oh wait. :devil
:x :rofl :rofl
Jokes apart, lets see how HTC will model the Camel. The real proof of how good is the FM ....
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You have to give RoF a break remember that it's a beta that you pay for... oh wait. :devil
More like alpha.
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I have no question on modeling. If HT is going to do it, I have faith in the accuracy. My issue is elsewhere.
While I might check it out, it is not what I am here for.
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Whats gonna be interesting is to see how WWI works in a large (population wise not combat area) arena game.
My view on WWI planes is that they are much less forgiving then WWII planes. This should mean that WWI is quite dweeb unfriendly. Which in turn should mean that it will be hard to generate a large population.
Tex
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Whats gonna be interesting is to see how WWI works in a large (population wise not combat area) arena game.
My view on WWI planes is that they are much less forgiving then WWII planes. This should mean that WWI is quite dweeb unfriendly. Which in turn should mean that it will be hard to generate a large population.
Tex
Hmmmm conservative estimates put RoF at 40,000 copies, if we get 10% of the RoF guys who are disappointed (like me) then population will be the least of our worries, and the guys that bought RoF have no "puter" problems to deal with in AHII.
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I haven't been keeping track of it since the RoF forums turned into the Fanboy club of love, but how many people are still upset about the state of the game.
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Alot but as you say the SimHQ forms have been beating down anyone who complains, they are supposed to put out a patch this week but time will tell if it fixs anything.
They will also release the Camel and DRI for sale ;)
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Every game has fanboys, they are sad people.
(http://playoverdrive.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/destructoid-dot-com-fanboy-anatomy.jpg)
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Every game has fanboys, they are sad people.
(http://playoverdrive.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/destructoid-dot-com-fanboy-anatomy.jpg)
The same can be said for wanks.
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The same can be said for bananas.
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This arena will be more fun than you can imagine. I cannot wait to fly it. And see the expansion of aircraft into the early WWII birds, futher with the new DM. Much Appreciated :salute
<<S>> HTC
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This arena will be more fun than you can imagine. I cannot wait to fly it. And see the expansion of aircraft into the early WWII birds, futher with the new DM. Much Appreciated :salute
<<S>> HTC
:aok
I will jump in that sopwith and see what she can do about killing all those Fokkers! :D
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What will be very interesting is to see how HTC handles trim.. will there be auto trim on the trimless wwi planes, fully manual compensation or some kind of trim even though there wasnt trim...
Flying without any trim is such a pita since you cant let go of your stick at all.
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Oh you can let go of the stick if you want. But your :airplane: will impact the ground at a high rate of speed. Which will result in your conversion into an :angel: instead of becoming an :old:.
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So what do you guys think of this? :aok
it's going to be sweeeet! I imagine I may be in there more then anywhere else
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What people dont seem to realize is that this update will bring many new players into the game. There was a huge following around games like "Red Baron"
The new "Rise of Flight" (which I own) is a very pretty sim, but limited in terms of multiplayer and the greed of the developer around introducing new planes into the set is obnoxious. This is going to bring those who want to fly a squad based WW1 flight sim back to their roots and I don't think it will thin AH2s current player base that much after a few months.
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What people dont seem to realize is that this update will bring many new players into the game. There was a huge following around games like "Red Baron"
The new "Rise of Flight" (which I own) is a very pretty sim, but limited in terms of multiplayer and the greed of the developer around introducing new planes into the set is obnoxious. This is going to bring those who want to fly a squad based WW1 flight sim back to their roots and I don't think it will thin AH2s current player base that much after a few months.
It'll have use when it is new then when that wears off...... another EW arena. My guess anyway. Hope it does not hurt updates to AHII.
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I don't think HTC intends this to be a "main" portion of the game.. I see it as more of a fun alternative to do once in a while... Just my 2 cents.
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:aok
I will jump in that sopwith and see what she can do about killing all those Fokkers! :D
But those Fokkers were flying Messerschmitts! :D
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It'll have use when it is new then when that wears off...... another EW arena. My guess anyway. Hope it does not hurt updates to AHII.
Come on Shff you don't know that, your just speculating :D My guess is that it will do as well as the time put into to it, DoA was great when HT and Pyro were running it and I think this can be too :rock.
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It's going to be alot of fun :aok :cheers:
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What will be very interesting is to see how HTC handles trim.. will there be auto trim on the trimless wwi planes, fully manual compensation or some kind of trim even though there wasnt trim...
Flying without any trim is such a pita since you cant let go of your stick at all.
That was the approach in DoA. They could allow trim adjustments before take off to simulate rigging the aircraft for hands-off flight at a certain airspeed. It would be nice if trim once disabled once off the ground, but I doubt it will happen.
Vlas
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But those Fokkers were flying Messerschmitts! :D
:rofl
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Wow. I mean...WOW. I guess I should pay attention to the main page more. I never really thought I'd see this.
I'll be re-opening my account the day its up and running.
:saluteHTC!
Regards,
Wab