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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: tallyho1 on May 07, 2006, 02:44:49 PM
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Can we allow more than one person to join a bomber? Bombers are pretty easy game at the best of times, so more gunners would be more realistic and allow for better survival rates.
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I had sort of wondered if it would be possible to allow all the gunner positions to be manned instead of just one guy jumping around too. They would need to implement a "exclusive" radio function or the chatter between them would clog the range channel.
In my opinion it would make the buffs more vulnerable to fighters because all the guns would not fire in the same direction like they do now with the AI. I'm all for more gunners, I think I could get more buff kills that way:aok
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Death Stars (a human gunner at every gunner position) rocked in AirWarrior, unfortunately HiTech has said that even though Death Stars were very cool in AirWarrior that we wont be seeing them here. /sigh
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That would rock, why wont HT let us have them? If he goes for historicly accurate then gunners in every station deserve to be in the game, it would be a historical flaw without it and if HT is letting that get by he should let us have skins that wernt flown in combat.
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Originally posted by GlacierGirl
That would rock, why wont HT let us have them? If he goes for historicly accurate then gunners in every station deserve to be in the game, it would be a historical flaw without it and if HT is letting that get by he should let us have skins that wernt flown in combat.
search is your friend:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126731&highlight=bomber+gunner
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Originally posted by GlacierGirl
That would rock, why wont HT let us have them? If he goes for historicly accurate then gunners in every station deserve to be in the game, it would be a historical flaw
And one pilot, one bomber. No gunners, no guns. Historically accurate.
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heck actually it is easy to survive in bombers just gotta up with a fellow formation and stay tight now your deadly.:D HEck it is easy for me to RTB with 2 or 3 kills.But then again you have to be a smart bomber pilot and actually touch the clouds instead of coming in at 2k alt and asking for fighter cover in a furball.:lol
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I liked multiple gunners in AW partly because it was like a roadtrip. You would have a craft ful of people foing to the same place. I would like to see multiple gunners in bombers.
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I liked multiple gunners in AW partly because it was like a roadtrip. You would have a craft ful of people foing to the same place. I would like to see multiple gunners in bombers.
Good point, and I would love having multiple gunners per plane, but also you really should check the date of the last post before replying to a thread ;)
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Can we allow more than one person to join a bomber? Bombers are pretty easy game at the best of times, so more gunners would be more realistic and allow for better survival rates.
The only real problem is getting some one to sit back there & wait for something to happen. To often I have had some one join & they decide to go & say nothing. Not a lot of fun when the fighters show up & no one is shooting back at them.
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That would rock, why wont HT let us have them? If he goes for historicly accurate then gunners in every station deserve to be in the game, it would be a historical flaw without it and if HT is letting that get by he should let us have skins that wernt flown in combat.
Depends on what aircraft your talking about not all gun positions on some bombers had a man on each they in fact did have to bounce about to the best gun to shoot back with.
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Depends on what aircraft your talking about not all gun positions on some bombers had a man on each they in fact did have to bounce about to the best gun to shoot back with.
JU-88 had, 3 guns i think? 1 gunner for them all, had to bounce from the two up top and the ventral. In AH if you go into outside view you see a plane full of people, LOL.
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While its a cool concept i find two flaws:
1. How the heck are you going to find enough people willing to fill all the gun positions?
2. would it not make more since to have all the people that where going to be in your guns up their own formation of bombers?
4 sets of bombers is WAY more deadly than 1 with 3 gunners
:airplane:
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I personally don't like when the drones shoot anyway. If HTC could take that off, but keep all guns on your main plane that fire when you do, and have a possibility to have more gunners, I think we would be golden.
OR just make it so when you take off the drones, you can have as many gunners as you want. :aok
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Ahh those selective memories of AW are way off base. Ask yourself 1 question. Of the bombers you shot down and were used for bombing, what % of them had at least 1 gunner? They were so rair that you would be surprised if you were attacking a bomber, and it shot back at you.They are so incorrect in only remembering the fun time they had, they forget all the problems. Traveler even thought you could gun your own, which was never the case.
Also ask yourself what % sorties in AH in a bomber have a gunner?
The real simple FACTS are , all though fully maned bombers where fun. It was very rare to have one, and made bombers used much less because there was no other option. The option of having both in AH has large trade offs in concerning how to control multiple guns, the extra data used in sending the shooting guns, the lag of changing positions in guns.
HiTech
The choices.
1. How often would all stations maned.
2. How important is it to see where the gunners are shooting.
3. How important is it to be able to quickly jump to a position.
4. Would a formation of 7 groups be better and more usefull than 1 full bomber.
5. How much extra band width would be needed to handle each station.
6. How much extra memory to be able to keep track of each gun.
7. How to handled unmanend guns.
8. How complex would a system be to have multiple gunners handleing multiple guns.
9 . How to hand off ammo loads when some one leaves.
10. How long would this system take to write.
In the end I looked at all of these questions, and decided it wasn't worth the few times you actulaly load up a bomber with gunners.
HiTech
wrongway
(searching so you don't have tooooo)
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We wouldnt want to make Nemisis feel bad.
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I would love to be able to fill up the gunner positions. But in order to do that, I would suggest that if you only have 1 gunner, everything the way it is now stays the same. If you have 2 or more gunners, only that gun that is occupied will fire on all 3 bombers. IE: if the top turret and tail is occupied, then only the upper turret will fire on all the formation bombers when he pulls the trigger. The tail gunner will fire when he pulls the trigger. I believe having this setup would bring a happy medium.
As it is now, it is very hard to defend yourself in a bomber when u have 2 or more bogey's attacking you. You can only shot at 1 if your by yourself. If you happen to have a gunner with you, then u can track 2. 3 or more bogey's and it all done.
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I imagine real life gunners had a hard time defending against 2-3 simultaneous bandits
as well.....welcome to HTC realism :aok