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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: vorticon on November 30, 2007, 10:10:17 PM
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As we revealed a few days ago, the first Dodge Challengers to go on sale will only be 2008 SRT8 models. Today we've learned that those 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8s will carry an MSRP of $37,995 (including $675 for destination) and that dealers will begin taking orders for them as early as December 3rd. That's next Monday, people. If you were expecting to have the whole month of December to convince your domestic partner that a Challenger is much more important than Christmas presents, the deadline for that convincing argument has just been moved up.
The 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 will be available in three colors: Black, Silver and HEMI Orange. All will feature the same carbon fiber hood stripes as the concept vehicle, as well. The iconic muscle car that looks poised to beat the Chevy Camaro to market by a good margin is, of course, powered by a 6.1L HEMI V8 that's available with a 5-speed automatic or six-speed manual (though prior reports state you need to wait for the '09 for the latter). While power figures have yet to be revealed, this engine makes 425 horsepower in other SRT8 vehicles.
Stay tuned to us for more info on the 2008 Dodge Challenger as it becomes available, which we promise will be soon. We expect pricing for the rest of the lineup to be announced sometime around the Detroit Auto Show in January. Also check out the Dodge brand's official blog called Red Letter Dodge, as we find information gets posted there first usually.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEGkmYm6yAY
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/11/challengerloulous.jpg)
anyone have a spare $20,000 and some pants for me?
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Have to wait until '09 for the manual? Bogus.
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Finally, a vehicle that can make my 3 mile commute cost me $40 a week in gas :huh :lol
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The HP rating is interesting... The overall cost of the car seems a bit high but at that price point it doesn't seem unreasonable that the new camaro could utilize the LS6 vette motor and destroy the Hemi for brute power. 425hp was exceeded by the LS series motors quite some time ago without resorting to forced induction or any other weirdness except high quality high performance engine components. Add on cylinder deactivation on the latest LS motors and they're still the best V8s available from a US manufacturer. And for a performance enthusiast, they may be the best factory motors on the planet because of the number of easy bolt-on mods available. Yea the BMW V8s are smooth, but you can't bump hp 20% on a beemer with a $2500 kit from SLP like you can with an LS series motor.
Also, I really want to see if ANY of these cars are worth a crap on the track (not dragstrip, a *real* track with both left and right turns). My '98 trans-am can STILL beat anything in production in the US on a road track except a corvette, even though it's only rated at 305hp and was widely considered "overweight" when it was in production. Compared to the challenger and new camaro, the old camaro and firebird was on a starvation diet. Even the newest mustangs can't hang with a 10 year old camaro on a road course.
Hopefully the next firebird will be a real performance car, not some fat-ass lardball retro couch potato with a big engine. Nothing wrong with the big engines, but damn those cars need to get on slim-fast.
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wow
Nice lookin car, great that it's an SRT-8 with a decent Hemi in it.
I too think the price is a bit high ..they're very close to base Vette price
(which is 430hp ..and.. well ..a Vette)
(check out Kerbeck's specials ..low 40k's will get you into some pretty decent '08 Vettes)
er ... an the Vette's get 30mpg at 70.
Heck I'm gettin 24mpg in the city drivin I do for an average.
-Frank aka GE
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Is this car gonna have Vietnamese suspension technology? If yes, No thanks.
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Yes, but for only $5,000 more, you could instead get a 500 HP Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 Cobra:
(http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/vehicle/pg/mst08_139_ext_enl.jpg)
(http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/vehicle/pg/mst08_140_ext_enl.jpg)
OR, for a whopping $12,000 less, you could instead get a 300 HP Ford Mustang GT Deluxe:
(http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/vehicle/pg/mst08_123_ext_enl.jpg)
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For about $8000 you can get a 2001 camaro Z28 or Firebird with 320ish hp, and it'll blow the doors off of any mustang under $40,000.
The $32,000 you save will go a long way towards cutting off the mullet and making you feel good about giving the finger to any mustang fanbois :)
I wanted a mustang until I saw how badly the post-1998 f-bodies beat them on the track.
Oh yea, I'm beating a dead horse but holy cow those mustangs and other retro boats suck. Every time someone says "yea buy a mustang!" I can't help point out that my '98 f-body with 125k miles STILL beats any production stang on the track.
Just look at any SCCA solo2 nationals results in F-Stock class. The mustangs are either non-existant or get their butts kicked by cars built 8-14 years ago. Even the old LT1 F-body camaros beat the stangs on the track. That's pitiful. And the new round of retro musclecars are even worse.
Adding insult to injury, my TA gets a solid 28 mpg on the highway and 22mpg around town, without driving particularly carefully. Vettes without the optional short rear end gears will get about the same mileage.
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What Frode said..
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That is really nice.
I like the Dodge Charger too.
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And if money's no object.. (http://ninemsn.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2857561.aspx)
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A mustang can be a corvette killer if it's equipped with Roush suspension/brake kit, and of course a 500hp engine from Shelby:aok :aok
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that 08 challenger is one bloated looking car. it looks like it's up-the-duff and about to drop a honda.
even though 500 hp from a blown 5.4 mod motor is nothing to sneaze at the shelby cobra doesn't do it for me either. it's a grunty engine in a chicks car. it, and mustangs in general for a long time now just give me awful visions of "charlies angels"
i'd kill for one of these though, '68 gt 390 fastback
(http://www.rockcountyclassics.com/images/DSC_0520.jpg)
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(http://www.stockmopar.com/wp-content/gallery/2008-dodge-challenger/392-dodge-challenger-1.jpg)
There is also this little beasty to think about. This concept was the 500 hp version. Probably doable with parts from direct connection.
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Originally posted by 1K3
Is this car gonna have Vietnamese suspension technology? If yes, No thanks.
considering US manufacturers still consider a live axle as suitable "suspension technology" for the 21st century this is just hilarious :confused:
not a big fan of the retro thing but the challenger does look cool (it was always my fav muscle car). but no white/cream option? Barry Newman wont be ordering one ;)
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O.P.E.C.
:lol
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It sure looks nice but at this day and age of gas prices, they're not gonna sell as many as Ford has of the new style Mustangs. Hell, the Mustang GT (300hp) gets 23 mpg on the freeway, that's not bad for alittle muscle.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
"Bait & Tackle"
Perfect!
:aok
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/11/challengerloulous.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/P4170173.jpg)
Still liking mine better. And at 60% less cost.
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I am a fan of the old and new Challenger. If I come into some money (by some, I mean a lot), I'd probably get the Challenger. That is, I would pick the challenger over every other car out there, assuming I had the money.
But I wouldn't touch it if it wasn't manual transmission.
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Why? Are your auto-boxes still that bad? (My dad had a 1976 Trans-AM, and the 400 auto-box was a horrid mess. 3 gears of lemon souffle consistency and no-go.)
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Nothing like a sleeper, 2003 Ford Crown Victoria LX Sport...
(http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/0/8/0/Picture174.jpg)
Dyno tuned 504 hp at the wheels (approx 580 crank hp), runs mid 11s, full leather interior w/6-point rollbar, and its my daily driver.
Watch her run...
1/4 mile run video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fIfLOitsHac)
Best ET so far is 11.45 best trap speed was 120.53mph weighing 4400 lbs w/driver.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I am a fan of the old and new Challenger. If I come into some money (by some, I mean a lot), I'd probably get the Challenger. That is, I would pick the challenger over every other car out there, assuming I had the money.
But I wouldn't touch it if it wasn't manual transmission.
there will be manual transmissions available in the R/T and SRT8. not the base, but thats supposedly a v6 anyway...
if a 318 + manual was going to be available, i would be very tempted to do something financially retarded.
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Originally posted by DmdBT
Nothing like a sleeper, 2003 Ford Crown Victoria LX Sport...
(http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/0/8/0/Picture174.jpg)
Dyno tuned 504 hp at the wheels (approx 580 crank hp), runs mid 11s, full leather interior w/6-point rollbar, and its my daily driver.
Watch her run...
1/4 mile run video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fIfLOitsHac)
Best ET so far is 11.45 best trap speed was 120.53mph weighing 4400 lbs w/driver.
man, you were carrying the mail there. Nice:aok
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Originally posted by Viking
Why? Are your auto-boxes still that bad? (My dad had a 1976 Trans-AM, and the 400 auto-box was a horrid mess. 3 gears of lemon souffle consistency and no-go.)
For whatever reason, they want em to shift smoooooootttthhhhhh.
Fortunately, it's relatively cheap to aleviate this problem.
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Originally posted by Viking
Why? Are your auto-boxes still that bad? (My dad had a 1976 Trans-AM, and the 400 auto-box was a horrid mess. 3 gears of lemon souffle consistency and no-go.)
No. There's just something not right and inherently not manly about driving an automatic car.
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Originally posted by DmdBT
Nothing like a sleeper, 2003 Ford Crown Victoria LX Sport...
(http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/0/8/0/Picture174.jpg)
Dyno tuned 504 hp at the wheels (approx 580 crank hp), runs mid 11s, full leather interior w/6-point rollbar, and its my daily driver.
Watch her run...
1/4 mile run video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fIfLOitsHac)
Best ET so far is 11.45 best trap speed was 120.53mph weighing 4400 lbs w/driver.
:aok Definitely hauling ***
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Sweet Crown Vic, but nothing much of a sleeper with an idle sounding like that.:aok
The SRT8 is the top of the line. Will see how the base model will be priced at, and if they put a V6 out. I'm guessing along the lines of the price curb of the 300. (V6 at 24K, V8 base 28K, 300C 325HP V8 at 33k, 300 SRT 425 V8 at 38K) ... which would run into mustang territory.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Sweet Crown Vic, but nothing much of a sleeper with an idle sounding like that.:aok
The SRT8 is the top of the line. Will see how the base model will be priced at, and if they put a V6 out. I'm guessing along the lines of the price curb of the 300. (V6 at 24K, V8 base 28K, 300C 325HP V8 at 33k, 300 SRT 425 V8 at 38K) ... which would run into mustang territory.
completely unofficial and of questionable source, but:
Base (auto) 3.5L 4-speed auto 42RLE VLP
Axle Ratio: 3.64
Wheels: 17x7.0 or 18x7.5
Tires: P215/65R17 or P235/55R18 ASP
R/T 5.7L L5-speed* auto
Axle Ratio: 2.82
Wheels: 20x8
Tires: P245/45R20 ASP
R/T 5.7L 6-speed** manual
Axle Ratio: 3.73 LS
Wheels: 20x8
Tires: P245/45R20 ASP
SRT8 6.1L 5-speed auto
Axle Ratio: 3.06
Wheels: 20x9
Tires: P245/45ZR20 ASP
SRT8 6.1L 6-speed** manual
Axle Ratio: 3.92 LS
Wheels: 20x9
Tires: P245/45ZR20 ASP
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BT ..*nice* Crown Vic :)
I would love to cruise with yas on any Friday nite, just to watch the fun :)
Them fart carts just have no idea what fast is most of the time :)
-GE
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A mustang can be a corvette killer if it's equipped with Roush suspension/brake kit, and of course a 500hp engine from Shelby:aok :aok
Not gonna kill my vette w/ that. :devil
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I think the challenger looks cool but... I'd only buy it for nostalgic reasons. As folks have pointed out, you can get more performance for your buck out of other vehicles.
Best ET so far is 11.45 best trap speed was 120.53mph weighing 4400 lbs w/driver.
Sleepers are fun to watch when sneaking up on grocery getters. Imagine what you could have done with the money you spent on your family car had you put it in an F body or some other lightweight.
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Ever notice how the Mustang fans always .. and I mean *always* .. start listing the add-ons they have to add before takin on a stock <insert any other fairly decent ride here>
They just dont seem to 'get' that <any fairly decent ride> can get similar add-ons.
So ya .. dual turbo that stang.
Better get the methanol injection with it too.
And the Nitrous.
That black vette, over there -points- ..has it.
He's pushin just past 1khp, and .. well .. it's a Vette.
Not even a hood scoop showin.
No stickers.
Wider tires in back is not much of a clue.
He *will* frik-kin destroy a Mustang.
-GE -just sayin- (there's at least two I know of here in town ..heck one's for sale, guys askin 50k)
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Ever notice how the Mustang fans always .. and I mean *always* .. start listing the add-ons they have to add before takin on a stock <insert any other fairly decent ride here>
They just dont seem to 'get' that <any fairly decent ride> can get similar add-ons.
So ya .. dual turbo that stang.
Better get the methanol injection with it too.
And the Nitrous.
That black vette, over there -points- ..has it.
He's pushin just past 1khp, and .. well .. it's a Vette.
Not even a hood scoop showin.
No stickers.
Wider tires in back is not much of a clue.
He *will* frik-kin destroy a Mustang.
-GE -just sayin- (there's at least two I know of here in town ..heck one's for sale, guys askin 50k)
Some Road Test Comparisons
From Motor Trend
HP 1/4 Mile ET
67 Camaro SS350 295 15.4
68 Shelby Mustang GT500 360 14.8
69 Mustang Mach I 351 auto 290 15.6
71 Camaro Z28 330 15.4
71 Mustang Mach I 429 370 14.6
82 Camaro Z28 165 17.1
82 Mustang GT 5.0 157 16.7
87 Camaro IROC-Z 230 15.2
87 Mustang GT 5.0 225 15.1
just saying
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He was comparing Corvettes and Mustangs though. My step dad's 98 Z28 got off the line pretty well even with the extra 500 lbs of passengers. Ricers never had a chance.
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He was comparing Corvettes and Mustangs though. My step dad's 98 Z28 got off the line pretty well even with the extra 500 lbs of passengers. Ricers never had a chance.
Why compare a stock 2 seat supposed super car to a 4 seat pony car. Lets match it up to say a viper and the ford GT. Then we can talk bolt-ons.
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Funny. From 0-55mph, my former 83 Jeep CJ7 with a stock 72 AMC 304 could take all comers, off the line. Why? a Detroit Locker and 4:27 gears. It also had 33" BFGoodrich Mud Terrains on it. I miss it. Nothing like seeing a pimple popping squeaker thinking "How in the hell?" at the next red light.
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Why compare a stock 2 seat supposed super car to a 4 seat pony car. Lets match it up to say a viper and the ford GT. Then we can talk bolt-ons.
Ya! :rock
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For about $8000 you can get a 2001 camaro Z28 or Firebird with 320ish hp, and it'll blow the doors off of any mustang under $40,000.
The $32,000 you save will go a long way towards cutting off the mullet and making you feel good about giving the finger to any mustang fanbois :)
I wanted a mustang until I saw how badly the post-1998 f-bodies beat them on the track.
Oh yea, I'm beating a dead horse but holy cow those mustangs and other retro boats suck. Every time someone says "yea buy a mustang!" I can't help point out that my '98 f-body with 125k miles STILL beats any production stang on the track.
Just look at any SCCA solo2 nationals results in F-Stock class. The mustangs are either non-existant or get their butts kicked by cars built 8-14 years ago. Even the old LT1 F-body camaros beat the stangs on the track. That's pitiful. And the new round of retro musclecars are even worse.
Adding insult to injury, my TA gets a solid 28 mpg on the highway and 22mpg around town, without driving particularly carefully. Vettes without the optional short rear end gears will get about the same mileage.
I was at our local SCCA meet this last Sunday and was talking to my buddy Alan, the current ESP class champ. He runs a '98 Trans Am and last year some guy with a brand-spanking new Shelby Mustang made Alan his target for the year. At every meet Alan beat him soundly and it really upset the Shelby owner to no end. '98 Trans Am > '08 Shelby Mustang. Funny stuff.
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A Shelby? no wonder he lost at track race...
He should trade that Shelby for Rousch to get modern suspension.
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And what kind of suspension do you think a '98 Trans Am has?
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Challenger SRT8 is Taking over the Postion of the Viper, cause now they turned the Viper into a Super Car
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Challenger SRT8 is Taking over the Postion of the Viper, cause now they turned the Viper into a Super Car
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no, they stopped viper.
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Not officially they haven't. Rumor is sometime in 2011 they will pull the plug on it.
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Why compare a stock 2 seat supposed super car to a 4 seat pony car. Lets match it up to say a viper and the ford GT. Then we can talk bolt-ons.
Because I constantly run into Mustang drivers who want to 'show me' just how slow their Stang really is.
Then they go into 'bolt-on' mode ..alla neat stuff they can do to go faster than a stock Vette.
Not realizing that .. well .. bolt ons are available for the Vette too.
(club member had a run in with one of the Roush toys the other day .. -shakes head- .. the Stang just had no idea.. that lil Atomic Orange coupe he picked on is runnin about 7lbs of boost on a D1SC unit (supercharger for those who dont know) .. ROFL ..poor guy probably couldnt figure out why that 'stock' lookin Vette pulled his chain so badly.)
-Frank aka GE
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Well, leave it to a Mustang driver not to be able to even hear a supercharger.
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I was at our local SCCA meet this last Sunday and was talking to my buddy Alan, the current ESP class champ. He runs a '98 Trans Am and last year some guy with a brand-spanking new Shelby Mustang made Alan his target for the year. At every meet Alan beat him soundly and it really upset the Shelby owner to no end. '98 Trans Am > '08 Shelby Mustang. Funny stuff.
Nobody brings mustangs to SCCA solo events and expects to win. They are simply not competitive, and haven't been since around 1995. Even in the classes that allow almost unlimited modifications, an equally modified f-body, (even some of the third gen ones!) will still beat the mustangs.
The mustangs just don't work well anywhere but a dragstrip and even there, they are handicapped by the smaller engine displacement in the factory engines.