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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: swareiam on January 29, 2008, 07:45:31 AM
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HTC,
Would you through the 52 in to consideration for the next member wide election?
(http://www.military-art.com/mall/images/dhm770.jpg)
Opinons?
Cheers:aok
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Possibility but other than in axis vs allies has it a role?
In my opinion next plane should be German or Soviet Bomber, Next gv the cromwell tank with a 75mm cos its fast and we havent got a British tank. A Japanese or Italian tank would just be a joke and how about a cruiser or Battleship task force spawning maybe every 4th time from a port. Fifteen inch shells from 20 miles out each weighing a ton :aok
One broadside equals 2 x a B24 load.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Possibility but other than in axis vs allies has it a role?
Although some what slower than a skytrain. The JU-52 would in a mass drop or even individually have as much chance as a 110, A-20, Boston, or Il-2 to defend itself on its mission. Once spotted the C-47 has one chance, make your persuier auger. It happens occasionally...
Soviet bombers are a fair choice, but german bombers would add nothing but additional fodder to the game. Somewhat like the B-25 is now. The B-25 was not even good enough for the Allied commander to choose for the recent AvA.
British main battle tank.:aok Good choice.
But again the JU-52 adds utility, choice and some defense.
Cheers:aok
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the Russian version of the C47 was armed.
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Originally posted by swareiam
. Somewhat like the B-25 is now. The B-25 was not even good enough for the Allied commander to choose for the recent AvA.
Cheers:aok
Yep B25 has not been a great success but better than the Boston which seems a total waste of time. If we ever get another British Bomber it should be a perked unarmed mosquito with the drones option. This would be a bit like the 234 but with a 4k per plane load and slow enough to catch if you dont time it right.
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DC3/C47 was way superior to the Ju52 but we need it for historical reasons, in events the axis is using the C47...not very realistic.
I've seen one flying recently, I think it was the only one still flying in the world, I'll post pics later.
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Yes!:aok
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+1 on the JU-52. Was surprised it wasn't in the game when i first played, I understand the C-47 is a better option but it just seems funny for the axis to have to fly it for transport.
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I'd love to see another transport. Maybe when we eventually get the HE-111 we will get the transport model.
Faster, able to carry double the troops. Why not? Just perk the ride lightly. We need more ways to spend bomber perks.
Not a bad idea is it? At least "after" we get the TU-2. ;)
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Yep B25 has not been a great success but better than the Boston which seems a total waste of time. If we ever get another British Bomber it should be a perked unarmed mosquito with the drones option. This would be a bit like the 234 but with a 4k per plane load and slow enough to catch if you dont time it right.
So, the mosquito bomber version could haul the equivalent of the B-26 at a much greater rate of speed. Okay, I agree on this for an option, but not perked. It is still too easy to kill. In formation three times over. :(
Cheers:aok
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Whoops!
Misread, the Mosquito could only carry (4) 500 lb. bombs internally. Well, that puts the bomber version in the useless BOSTON class. :cry
But the TU-2 is a good option.:aok
Cheers:aok
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Ju-52 would be good in scenarios, but for any of the MAs I doubt dubious defense of the single 7.92mm machine gun would be worth the loss of 50mph.
The Mosquito B.Mk IV could carry four 500lb bombs at about 380mph, besat speed.
The Mosquito B.Mk XVI could carry six 500lb bombs (two externally) at, probably, about 390mph best speed or a single 4,000lb bomb at about 410mph best speed.
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Originally posted by Karnak
The Mosquito B.Mk XVI could carry six 500lb bombs (two externally) at, probably, about 390mph best speed or a single 4,000lb bomb at about 410mph best speed.
This is what we want but with a bit of perk cos as I said earlier unless your diving from 20k plus you are unlikely to intercept a bit like the 234. The 4k blockbuster I accept and I believe this was shoe horned in with the doors removed. The 6 x500 could do allot of damage particulary where ord and radar were the targets. Could drop six bunkers from 20k or if you were flying in formation with someone else you could quickly shut down a small airfield gettin 3 x fh at 3x3 500lb (9) and vh 2 x 500lb (2) plus 1 x 500 lb (1) for the radar. :D The best bit is you would climb quickly and get there quickly and get back quickly. You could also do noe missions, when these were carried out mossies had to slow down to let the escourts keep up!
When bomber command used to bomb Berlin Mossies could get there and back twice for one trip in the sterling which I think is awesome and had a much lower attrition rate than any of the heavies. They consistently flew daylight reckon etc and I beleive generally only fell foul to the 262 in any numbers.
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Yarbles,
No, the doors are not removed. The B.Mk IV Special, B.Mk IX Special and all B.Mk XVIs had a bulged bomb bay to accomodate the 'cookie'. Mosquitos without the bulged bomb bay could not carry a 'cookie'.
Most low alt Mossie raids were done by armed FB.Mk VIs, the ones we already have in AH. Why? They were tuned for low alt performance whereas the bomber and PR mossies were tune for high alt performance. For example, the B.Mk XVI hits those high speeds at 27,000ft, but on the deck it could probably not exceed 330mph. The 424mph NF.Mk 30 could only do 321mph on the deck, slower than our flame dampened FB.VI by 17mph.
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The JU52 could only carry 3x 7.92(?) miniguns I believe. The same to which our JU-88 has, I believe.
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Originally posted by SpikesX
The JU52 could only carry 3x 7.92(?) miniguns I believe. The same to which our JU-88 has, I believe.
I don't think they had significantly overlapping fields of fire, unlike the Ju88A-4's four 7.92mm machine guns.
Would anybody trade 50mph for, functionally, a single 7.92mm machine gun when being attacked by a La-7, Typhoon, P-47, Mosquito or Bf110? I'd take the 230mph aircraft over the 180mph aircraft with the pop gun everytime. Shorter exposure to danger means more than an ineffective defense against it.
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Ju52 pic (http://mapage.noos.fr/rsm/DSCN1610.JPG) taken at the 100th anniversary of Toussu Lenoble airport in 2007
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Originally posted by SpikesX
The JU52 could only carry 3x 7.92(?) miniguns I believe. The same to which our JU-88 has, I believe.
Id be quite fine with it if they were miniguns.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I don't think they had significantly overlapping fields of fire, unlike the Ju88A-4's four 7.92mm machine guns.
Would anybody trade 50mph for, functionally, a single 7.92mm machine gun when being attacked by a La-7, Typhoon, P-47, Mosquito or Bf110? I'd take the 230mph aircraft over the 180mph aircraft with the pop gun everytime. Shorter exposure to danger means more than an ineffective defense against it.
Being as all of the attacking aircraft you mentioned are all capable of over 300 mph. on the deck, 230 mph. isn't as much defense as even a single 7.92mm MG. I think either way you're dead. It's just the C-47 can get the troops' there for a capture a little bit quicker.
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No, it isn't. What that 50mph means is you are out in the danger area for a much shorter time. If you get caught in either you are dead.
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What about Sm. 79 Italian Bomber/Transport, would fill 2 missing roles :aok
http://www.aviation-history.com/savoia-marchetti/sm79.html
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none looked at my pic :cry
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excellent pic :aok
What is the A/C in the foreground? It looks almost like a Beech?
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Originally posted by Redlegs
What about Sm. 79 Italian Bomber/Transport, would fill 2 missing roles :aok
http://www.aviation-history.com/savoia-marchetti/sm79.html
Very clever idea;)
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Originally posted by Redlegs
What about Sm. 79 Italian Bomber/Transport, would fill 2 missing roles :aok
http://www.aviation-history.com/savoia-marchetti/sm79.html
Excellent idea... This definetly has my support. That way the Italians get another aircraft as well. Now that is true utility... :)
Cheers:aok
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Originally posted by SD67
excellent pic :aok
What is the A/C in the foreground? It looks almost like a Beech?
I don't know, I would like to know. I think I have a better pic of it, I'll post it later if nobody found it.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Possibility but other than in axis vs allies has it a role?
In my opinion next plane should be German or Soviet Bomber
I'll take the best of you two guys' worlds...
The FW 200 Condor!!!
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/lrg1809.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/fockewolf200condor-1.jpg)
There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)
Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.
Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)
Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4
Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)
Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)
Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)
Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel
Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)
Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear
Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.
Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.
Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings
Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells
Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar
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Originally posted by swareiam
Excellent idea... This definetly has my support. That way the Italians get another aircraft as well. Now that is true utility... :)
Cheers:aok
What he said and wish I had:aok
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I actually have a thread in the wish list for the Italian planes. :aok
Y'all post there for support :D
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The Ju-52 was also used as a bomber in the SCW. the Fw 200 was a horibbly weak airframe annd I have at least 1 pic of a Condor that's broken in half..
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The transport version of the He 111 would be my choice,could carry 16 paratroops and their equipment,also faster than the C47,and the Bomber version is conspicuous by it's absence.
The problem with the Ju 52/3,is speed,or rather lack of it.
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Originally posted by trigger2
I'll take the best of you two guys' worlds...
The FW 200 Condor!!!
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/lrg1809.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/fockewolf200condor-1.jpg)
There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)
Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.
Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)
Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4
Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)
Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)
Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)
Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel
Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)
Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear
Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.
Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.
Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings
Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells
Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar
Now, why would you want a four engine bomber that only carries 4000 lbs. of ord and cruises @ 208 mph? Along with the reported weak landing gear and poor structural integrity. :(
The anti-ship missle is a cool idea.:D
IMO, The Condor doesn't qualify.
Cheers:aok
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Originally posted by swareiam
Although some what slower than a skytrain. The JU-52 would in a mass drop or even individually have as much chance as a 110, A-20, Boston, or Il-2 to defend itself on its mission. Once spotted the C-47 has one chance, make your persuier auger. It happens occasionally...
Soviet bombers are a fair choice, but german bombers would add nothing but additional fodder to the game. Somewhat like the B-25 is now. The B-25 was not even good enough for the Allied commander to choose for the recent AvA.
British main battle tank.:aok Good choice.
But again the JU-52 adds utility, choice and some defense.
Cheers:aok
YES WE NEED THE JU-52!!! I HATE GOONS CAUSE I DONT HAVE A CHANCE IN EM, I WOULD RATHER TAKE A CRUDDY SLOW M-3!!!!!!:noid
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Originally posted by trigger2
I'll take the best of you two guys' worlds...
The FW 200 Condor!!!
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/lrg1809.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/fockewolf200condor-1.jpg)
There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)
Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.
Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)
Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4
Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)
Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)
Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)
Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel
Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)
Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear
Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.
Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.
Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings
Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells
Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar
:]
:lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!! ONLY 208!!!!!!!! MAN HURRICANES COULD CATCH THEM!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!
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Originally posted by trigger2
I'll take the best of you two guys' worlds...
The FW 200 Condor!!!
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/lrg1809.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/fockewolf200condor-1.jpg)
There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)
Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.
Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)
Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4
Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)
Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)
Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)
Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel
Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)
Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear
Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.
Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.
Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings
Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells
Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar
:]
:lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!! ONLY 208!!!!!!!! MAN HURRICANES COULD CATCH THEM!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!
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Originally posted by trigger2
I'll take the best of you two guys' worlds...
The FW 200 Condor!!!
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/lrg1809.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/fockewolf200condor-1.jpg)
There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)
Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.
Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)
Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4
Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)
Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)
Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)
Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel
Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)
Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear
Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.
Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.
Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings
Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells
Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar
:]
:lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!! ONLY 208!!!!!!!! MAN HURRICANES COULD CATCH THEM!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!
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Originally posted by trigger2
I'll take the best of you two guys' worlds...
The FW 200 Condor!!!
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/lrg1809.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/fockewolf200condor-1.jpg)
There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)
Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.
Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)
Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4
Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)
Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)
Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)
Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel
Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)
Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear
Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.
Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.
Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings
Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells
Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar
:]
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!! ONLY 208!!!!!!!! MAN HURRICANES COULD CATCH THEM!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!
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Originally posted by trigger2
I'll take the best of you two guys' worlds...
The FW 200 Condor!!!
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/lrg1809.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/fockewolf200condor-1.jpg)
There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)
Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.
Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)
Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4
Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)
Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)
Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)
Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel
Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)
Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear
Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.
Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.
Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings
Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells
Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar
:]
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!! ONLY 208!!!!!!!! MAN HURRICANES COULD CATCH THEM!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!
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Originally posted by trigger2
I'll take the best of you two guys' worlds...
The FW 200 Condor!!!
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/lrg1809.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/fockewolf200condor-1.jpg)
There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)
Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.
Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)
Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4
Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)
Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)
Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)
Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel
Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)
Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear
Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.
Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.
Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings
Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells
Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar
:]
:lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!! ONLY 208!!!!!!!! MAN HURRICANES COULD CATCH THEM!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!
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Originally posted by trigger2
I'll take the best of you two guys' worlds...
The FW 200 Condor!!!
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/lrg1809.jpg)
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/fockewolf200condor-1.jpg)
There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)
Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.
Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)
Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4
Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)
Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)
Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)
Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel
Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)
Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear
Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.
Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.
Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings
Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells
Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar
:]
:lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!! ONLY 208!!!!!!!! MAN HURRICANES COULD CATCH THEM!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!
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Originally posted by angelsandair
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!! ONLY 208!!!!!!!! MAN HURRICANES COULD CATCH THEM!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!
Yes, but I doubt that a hurricane could withstand the blows of the 20mm cannon turret it's got eh? kukukachew. Plus the C47 maxes out with WEP at I do believe just a little over 200 also, so not much speed difference... little slower but not much...
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Originally posted by angelsandair
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!! ONLY 208!!!!!!!! MAN HURRICANES COULD CATCH THEM!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!
7 times even, or is that 7 Hurricanes catching it once?
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that was WIERD....it froze and it said i press post like 7 times...... :noid
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ehh, if a hurricane can outrun your plane, you need to look at what you are flying again...
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Originally posted by Karnak
Ju-52 would be good in scenarios, but for any of the MAs I doubt dubious defense of the single 7.92mm machine gun would be worth the loss of 50mph.
The least I see quoted online is 3x7.92. For g7e (g8e?) a dorsal 13mm , and 2x7.92 in the sides. That is, the standard from 1941 onwards.
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1× 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in a dorsal position
2× 7.92 mm MG 15 machine guns
up to 455 kg (1,000 lb) of bombs (some variants)
not what id call overpowering but ill take it
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The Fw 200 didn't have a weak structure at all. That's just a popular Discovery Channel quality myth. The Fw 200 was a successful civillian airliner (like the DC-3) that was converted to military use. The Germans just put too much stuff on it and overloaded it with bombs and equipment. This lead to metal fatigue in the structure. Same thing happened to countless allied bombers which were regularly overloaded with bombs and fuel. Btw. the Fw 200 top speed was 224 mph at 15k, and special recce versions carried enough fuel to reach the U.S. coast on their patrols.
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The JU52 could only carry 3x 7.92(?) miniguns I believe. The same to which our JU-88 has, I believe.
A minigun! WOOHOO!!! AJu-52s to go with our AC-47s!
:D
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YES for eine Junkers 52 Tante!
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Possibility but other than in axis vs allies has it a role?
In my opinion next plane should be German or Soviet Bomber, Next gv the cromwell tank with a 75mm cos its fast and we havent got a British tank. A Japanese or Italian tank would just be a joke and how about a cruiser or Battleship task force spawning maybe every 4th time from a port. Fifteen inch shells from 20 miles out each weighing a ton :aok
One broadside equals 2 x a B24 load.
You just changed the whole subject.
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Took these pictures yesterday at the air force museum in Dayton Ohio. It is a Spanish built plane still looks great though. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/cba3556ed3.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/bc1322dd68.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)
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Possibility but other than in axis vs allies has it a role?
In my opinion next plane should be German or Soviet Bomber
Buahahahhaha
I say the FW200 Condor... AGAIN!!! Not only can it bomb, but it has goons! I'm too lazy right now to go look up all the info on it again, but search should turn up results, and I do believe we'd want the C model, as A was civillian and B wasn't so great.
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Buahahahhaha
I say the FW200 Condor... AGAIN!!! Not only can it bomb, but it has goons! I'm too lazy right now to go look up all the info on it again, but search should turn up results, and I do believe we'd want the C model, as A was civillian and B wasn't so great.
Point taken Trigger, But let's consider this. HTC generally models the planes based on their widespread usage throughout the war. Reperesenting the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe on every front from the first to the last day of the war, gives the JU-52 a special place in military avaition history. This is not a comparison but that means that Ju-52 would have been in the game before the B-25 and the P-39 for that matter. Herman G. did have choices or he could have had something produced right from fresh ink. But, he didn't he stuck with the JU-52. Someone saw its longterm potential. I think that we should as well. :salute
BTW, PBY Catalina after that. Transport and Bomber that can launch from Ports CVs, and Airfields :D
Cheers :aok
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I still think this plane is a good addition. But if we are going on historical presence, then yeah He-111 needs in too. :aok
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:aok :aok for the JU-52/3mg5e, could be a float plane option involved in the hangar loadout screen and the HE-111h5 and h6 variants.
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Buahahahhaha
I say the FW200 Condor... AGAIN!!! Not only can it bomb, but it has goons! I'm too lazy right now to go look up all the info on it again, but search should turn up results, and I do believe we'd want the C model, as A was civillian and B wasn't so great.
All the Fw200 has going for it is range, and a notoriously weak structure. I want something that catches on fire with little or no warning. :D How about the He 177? Maybe with Hs293's or Fritz X as perk ordinance. :O Give us that and CV's would be in real trouble.
Do217 would be cool too.
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The only good thing about the FW200 is that its the only Luftwaffe bomber that is decently armed. It carries less ordnance than the Ju88 and is slower. The He111, on the other hand, is only a bit slower than the 88, carries close to the same bombload, and has a half-decent defensive armament.
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Calling the Fw200 a "bomber" is really a stretch. Maritime patrol plane is much more accurate. Noone would ever call a P-3C a bomber would they?
The only good thing about the FW200 is that its the only Luftwaffe bomber that is decently armed. It carries less ordnance than the Ju88 and is slower. The He111, on the other hand, is only a bit slower than the 88, carries close to the same bombload, and has a half-decent defensive armament.
Motherland, I'll go way out on a limb and assume you're not familiar with the He177. Once you get past the annoying "burst into flame" thing (which was reduced quite a bit as the war progressed), it eclipses the He111 in every category. It's plenty fast, has respectable defensive firepower, a pressurized cabin (I think), and a very healthy payload (over 12,000 lbs demonstated operationally during the war). Throw in the ability to carry precision guided ordinance, and you've got a very survival bomber with sufficient payload to do real damage.
In many ways, it's similar to the B-29, with a long, painful development period which eventually produced a very sophisticated airplane. Besides, it's a very cool looking airplane (if you subscribe to the weird is cool school of thought :D).
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My first reply wasn't really a response to your post, just the thread in general.
But, no, I'm not familiar with the 177. But, I do know that the 111 was produced in greater numbers and played a larger part in the war. Plus, honestly, I think the 177 is smurfy whereas the 111 is among the coolest bombers out there (the engine cowlings are awesome!).
The He111 was used to launch guided anti-ship missiles too, by the way :aok
I knew I was going to run into trouble with the 'decently armed' statement. What I meant was, out of the Luftwaffes highly produced, main bombers (Ju88, He111, Ju52,.... erm... yeah) the He111 was a bit more cut out for the job defensive-armament wise.
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i say absolutly, we need a different goon for the game
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didnt they also arm this aircraft with a larg anti tank gun?
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,The Hienkel 111 should have been in the game from the start,but with a 1945 plane set in the main arena their are other bombers that would lead to it having only limited use as a bomber/torpedo Bomber.If we had the transport option which carried 16 paratroops and their equipment,we would have an axis transport that was faster than the c47 and had at least some defensive armament,and would in no way be a hanger Queen only seen in S.E.A.
I would like the ju52/3,but it's slow,very slow compared with the c47 and would not be first choice for troops,and as a bomber it had a poor performance in the Spanish civil war.
FW Condor found it's best role as long range Maritime Patrol,But many were lost at Stalingrad collapsing on landing when trying to transport the heavy loads needed to supply the Sixth army.Not a tough Aircraft.
The Hienkel 177 Was described by a Postwar test pilot as the only German aircraft he did not enjoy Flying.He descibed it as "flying an aircraft made of glass".
Hienkel 111 H20/R1 + Hienkel 111 H6 Please ;)
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The Hienkel 111 should have been in the game from the start,
No argument here. IMO the 111 is the definitive LW bomber ( the Ju88 being more of a "jack of all trades" plane).
The Hienkel 177 Was described by a Postwar test pilot as the only German aircraft he did not enjoy Flying.He descibed it as "flying an aircraft made of glass".
Again, no argument. The He177 had horrible reliability during it's early days, but these problems were greatly reduced as the war progressed. For the purposes of AH though, I think this is a moot point. Reliability isn't modeled. If it were, we'd see 262's and 234's catching fire because the pilot did something stupid with the throttles. Or Tempest's aborting because of engine problems. I suggested the He177 because it's a heavy bomber, it's not Allied (plenty of those already... anybody want the Stiring?), and because frankly it's a little weird.:)
Peace :rock
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+1 on the JU-52. Was surprised it wasn't in the game when i first played, I understand the C-47 is a better option but it just seems funny for the axis to have to fly it for transport.
The Japanese produced a version of the DC3/C-47. The allied code name was Tabby.
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The Japanese produced a version of the DC3/C-47. The allied code name was Tabby.
Check your C-47 skins and you'll find it.