JU-52 ARMED Transport. What say you chaps?

[swareiam]

HTC,

Would you through the 52 in to consideration for the next member wide election?



Opinons?

Cheers:aok

[Yarbles]

Possibility but other than in axis vs allies has it a role?

In my opinion next plane should be German or Soviet Bomber, Next gv the cromwell tank with a 75mm cos its fast and we havent got a British tank. A Japanese or Italian tank would just be a joke and how about a cruiser or Battleship task force spawning maybe every 4th time from a port. Fifteen inch shells from 20 miles out each weighing a ton  

One broadside equals 2 x a B24 load.

[swareiam]

Originally posted by Yarbles
Possibility but other than in axis vs allies has it a role?

Although some what slower than a skytrain. The JU-52 would in a mass drop or even individually have as much chance as a 110, A-20, Boston, or Il-2 to defend itself on its mission. Once spotted the C-47 has one chance, make your persuier auger. It happens occasionally...

Soviet bombers are a fair choice, but german bombers would add nothing but additional fodder to the game. Somewhat like the B-25 is now. The B-25 was not even good enough for the Allied commander to choose for the recent AvA.

British main battle tank.  Good choice.

But again the JU-52 adds utility, choice and some defense.

Cheers:aok

[john9001]

the Russian version of the C47 was armed.

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by swareiam
. Somewhat like the B-25 is now. The B-25 was not even good enough for the Allied commander to choose for the recent AvA.

Cheers:aok

Yep B25 has not been a great success but better than the Boston which seems a total waste of time. If we ever get another British Bomber it should be a perked unarmed mosquito with the drones option. This would be a bit like the 234 but with a 4k per plane load and slow enough to catch if you dont time it right.

[Noir]

DC3/C47 was way superior to the Ju52 but we need it for historical reasons, in events the axis is using the C47...not very realistic.

I've seen one flying recently, I think it was the only one still flying in the world, I'll post pics later.

[waystin2]

Yes!:aok

[whiteman]

+1 on the JU-52. Was surprised it wasn't in the game when i first played, I understand the C-47 is a better option but it just seems funny for the axis to have to fly it for transport.

[Rich46yo]

I'd love to see another transport. Maybe when we eventually get the HE-111 we will get the transport model.

                        Faster, able to carry double the troops. Why not? Just perk the ride lightly. We need more ways to spend bomber perks.

                         Not a bad idea is it? At least "after" we get the TU-2.

[swareiam]

Originally posted by Yarbles
Yep B25 has not been a great success but better than the Boston which seems a total waste of time. If we ever get another British Bomber it should be a perked unarmed mosquito with the drones option. This would be a bit like the 234 but with a 4k per plane load and slow enough to catch if you dont time it right.

So, the mosquito bomber version could haul the equivalent of the B-26 at a much greater rate of speed. Okay, I agree on this for an option, but not perked. It is still too easy to kill. In formation three times over.

Cheers:aok

[swareiam]

Whoops!

Misread, the Mosquito could only carry (4) 500 lb. bombs internally. Well, that puts the bomber version in the useless BOSTON class.

But the TU-2 is a good option.

Cheers:aok

[Karnak]

Ju-52 would be good in scenarios, but for any of the MAs I doubt dubious defense of the single 7.92mm machine gun would be worth the loss of 50mph.


The Mosquito B.Mk IV could carry four 500lb bombs at about 380mph, besat speed.

The Mosquito B.Mk XVI could carry six 500lb bombs (two externally) at, probably, about 390mph best speed or a single 4,000lb bomb at about 410mph best speed.

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by Karnak


The Mosquito B.Mk XVI could carry six 500lb bombs (two externally) at, probably, about 390mph best speed or a single 4,000lb bomb at about 410mph best speed.

This is what we want but with a bit of perk cos as I said earlier unless your diving from 20k plus you are unlikely to intercept a bit like the 234. The 4k blockbuster I accept and I believe this was shoe horned in with the doors removed. The 6 x500 could do allot of damage particulary where ord and radar were the targets. Could drop six bunkers from 20k or if you were flying in formation with someone else you could quickly shut down a small airfield gettin 3 x fh at 3x3 500lb (9) and vh  2 x 500lb (2) plus 1 x 500 lb (1) for the radar.     The best bit is you would climb quickly and get there quickly and get back quickly. You could also do noe missions, when these were carried out mossies had to slow down to let the escourts keep up!

When bomber command used to bomb Berlin Mossies could get there and back twice for one trip in the sterling which I think is awesome and had a much lower attrition rate than any of the heavies. They consistently flew daylight reckon etc and I beleive generally only fell foul to the 262 in any numbers.

[Karnak]

Yarbles,

No, the doors are not removed.  The B.Mk IV Special, B.Mk IX Special and all B.Mk XVIs had a bulged bomb bay to accomodate the 'cookie'.  Mosquitos without the bulged bomb bay could not carry a 'cookie'.


Most low alt Mossie raids were done by armed FB.Mk VIs, the ones we already have in AH.  Why?  They were tuned for low alt performance whereas the bomber and PR mossies were tune for high alt performance.  For example, the B.Mk XVI hits those high speeds at 27,000ft, but on the deck it could probably not exceed 330mph.  The 424mph NF.Mk 30 could only do 321mph on the deck, slower than our flame dampened FB.VI by 17mph.

[Spikes]

The JU52 could only carry 3x 7.92(?) miniguns I believe. The same to which our JU-88 has, I believe.