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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: apcampbell on January 29, 2008, 09:05:14 AM
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Just tought I'd put this up there for those that like to see the actual birds up close. For those travelling to the San Diego area, your first stop should be the Midway Museum (CVA-41) located in downtown San Diego. Lots of static displays of modern jet aircraft, plus the bonus of a TBM and an SBD in the Hangar Bay. There are also simulators in the Hangar as well (They're a hoot!)
While your in San Diego, visit the Air Museum at Balboa Park. They have a very large selection of WWI and WWII aircraft, Including a PBY, F4F, and P-40. This is an indoor museum.
For those closer to Los Angeles, head to March Field, off Interstate 215 just south of Riverside, CA. They have a B-25J, B-17G, P-38J, P-39Q, PBM, and a P-59 as well as a lot of cold war era and modern aircraft. This is well worth the trip.
Finally a note on the B-25. Did you know that army bombers have been flown from Navy Carriers 3 times? The first of course is the Doolittle Raid on 12 April 1942. However, the next two time were 12 April 1992 (50th Anniversary flight) and the last was for the filming of the movie Pearl Harbor.
I had the priveledge of being a crewmember of USS Ranger (CV-61), back in 1992. 2 B-25's, 'Heavenly Body" and "Executive Suite" were craned on board the flight deck of the Ranger on the 11th, and launched from the deck under their own power on the morning of the 12th off of Point Loma. Both aircraft left the deck about half way down the deck.
As for the filming of the movie Pearl Harbor, I believe it was the same two aircraft and crew for the second launch. Only this time, they took off from USS Constellation (CV-64). It was big news in the Navy at the time. I was in Japan stationed on board USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63). Wish i remembered the date the second launch happened!
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Originally posted by apcampbell
As for the filming of the movie Pearl Harbor, I believe it was the same two aircraft and crew for the second launch. Only this time, they took off from USS Constellation (CV-64). It was big news in the Navy at the time. I was in Japan stationed on board USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63). Wish i remembered the date the second launch happened!
One of the aircraft used in the carrier take off sequences for Pearl Harbor was "In the Mood". It has flown off five different carriers. The Hornet, Ranger, Carl Vinson and two others.
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Dude thats awesome, i thought they only did it once, man i always learn newer cooler stuff when i get on the forums
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I stand corrected. I looked at my Ranger Cruisebook, and it was indeed "In the Mood" instead of "Heavenly Body". My mind is getting a bit old....hehehehe. I knew this was wrong week to stop sniffing glue.......
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Here is a picture of "In the Mood's" tail.
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u191/bodhi83/DSC00792.jpg)
The Hornet and Lexington take offs were done for the movie Pearl Harbor. Both carriers are moored in place.
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The Hornet was sunk at the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands on 26 October 1942.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
The Hornet was sunk at the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands on 26 October 1942.
CV 8
The eighth Hornet (CV-12) was launched 30 August 1943 by the Newport News Shipbuilding & Dry Dock Co., Newport News, Va.; sponsored by Mrs. Frank M. Knox, wife of the Secretary of the Navy; and commissioned 29 November 1943, Captain Miles M. Browning in command.
wrngway
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
The Hornet was sunk at the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands on 26 October 1942.
Yea but that wasnt the essex class hornet, the carrier lexington (cv-2) was sunken off the coral sea, they even made a essex class yorktown (cv-15??)
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
The Hornet was sunk at the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands on 26 October 1942.
You should really research before you spout off about stuff you do not know.
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I knew there were more than one Hornet aircraft carriers. But the list above only had one of them, and it was not the one that the Dolittle Raider's launched off of. The Hornet that launched the raiders was CV-8.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I knew there were more than one Hornet aircraft carriers. But the list above only had one of them, and it was not the one that the Dolittle Raider's launched off of. The Hornet that launched the raiders was CV-8.
sure thing.... :rolleyes:
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I live near CV-12 which is now a Museum. I see by some posts there is some confusion. A B-25 may have been on CV-12 but never launched from her which docents at the Museum will let everyone know that fact.
Pearl Harbor the movie trivia:
# The takeoff sequence for Doolittle's Raid was filmed onboard the USS Constellation CV-64 off the coast of San Diego, CA, and the USS Lexington Museum CV-16 in Corpus Christi, TX.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0213149/trivia
THE TWO HUNDRED YEAR LEGACY OF HORNET
1775- The first HORNET christened what would become one of the most distinguished names in American naval history with her performance in the Revolutionary War. The first two ships in the new Continental Navy were HORNET and WASP.
1805 - The second HORNET carried Marines to the shores of Tripoli. In a one hour gun battle she silenced the Citadel at Djerna and landed the Marines thus deciding the war with the Barbary Pirates.
1942- The seventh HORNET (CV-8) launched 16 Army B-25s to strike the Japanese home islands in one of the most daring raids in the history of warfare -- the "Doolittle Raid." She went on to fight at the Battle of Midway and was lost to an overwhelming air attack at the Battle of Santa Cruz.
USS HORNET CV-12: THE LEGACY CONTINUES
1943 - The eighth HORNET (CV-12) was commissioned just 16 months after her keel was laid.
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For 16 continuous months she was in action in the forward areas of the Pacific combat zone, sometimes within 40 miles of the Japanese home islands.
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Under air attack 59 times, she was never hit.
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Her aircraft destroyed 1410 Japanese aircraft, only ESSEX exceeded this record.
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Her air groups destroyed or damaged 1,269,710 tons of enemy shipping.
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10 HORNET pilots attained "Ace in a Day" status.
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30 of 42 VF-2 Hellcat pilots were aces.
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72 enemy aircraft shot down in one day.
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255 aircraft shot down in a month.
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Supported nearly every Pacific amphibious landing after March 1944.
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Scored the critical first hits in sinking the super battleship YAMATO.
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In 1945 launched the first strikes against Tokyo since the 1942 Doolittle Raid.
"A HERITAGE OF EXCELLENCE" is the ship's creed:
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Earned 9 battle stars for her service in WWII
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Awarded the Presidential Unit Citation for her WWII operations (only nine carriers so cited).
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Flawlessly recovered the Apollo 11 and Apollo 12 astronauts, the first men on the moon; 1969
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USS HORNET (CVS-12) is designated a National Historic Landmark; 1991
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HORNET opens to the public as an aircraft carrier museum in Alameda; 1998California.
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USS HORNET is designated a State Historic Landmark; 1999.
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The F/A-18 strike fighter carries on the name of HORNET in today's NAVY.
http://uss-hornet.org
CV-8:
The Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands took place 26 October 1942 without contact between surface ships of the opposing forces. That morning Enterprise planes bombed carrier Zuihō. Planes from Hornet severely damaged carrier Shōkaku, and cruiser Chikuma. Two other cruisers were also attacked by Hornet aircraft. Meanwhile, Hornet was attacked by a coordinated dive bombing and torpedo plane attack. In a 15-minute period, Hornet took three bomb hits from Aichi D3A "Val" dive bombers, another bomb hit followed by the "Val" itself crashing into the deck, two torpedo hits from Nakajima B5N "Kate"s, and one more "Val" crashing into the deck. Later in the day, one more B5N scored a torpedo hit, and "abandon ship" was ordered. Captain Charles P. Mason, the last man on board, climbed over the side, and survivors were soon picked up by destroyers.
U.S. forces then attempted to scuttle the abandoned Hornet, which stubbornly absorbed nine torpedoes and more than 400 rounds of 5 inch from destroyers Mustin (DD-413) and Anderson (DD-411). Mustin and Anderson moved off when Japanese naval forces appeared in the area. Japanese destroyers then finished the Hornet with four 24-inch (610 mm) torpedoes. At 01:35, 27 October 1942, she finally sank off the Santa Cruz Islands. She was stricken from the Naval Vessel Register 13 January 1943, but her name was revived.
B25 on Deck (50th anniversary)
http://www.b25.net/pages/b25s-carrier.html
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California has an impressive amount of Air Museums up and down the whole state.
Google air museums and you can find them all. Overall, California has a rich military history and you can find this with all the different museums related to the military.
I live in the Bay Area (Northern Cal) and I just found out there is a guy who rebuilds Tanks of all kinds here that for the time being is not open to the public. That is ok, we have a load of museums and sites to explore if you are into that kind of stuff.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
sure thing.... :rolleyes:
Better watch it old man, I'll drive to Colorado and burn down your single-wide trailer.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Better watch it old man, I'll drive to Colorado and burn down your single-wide trailer.
You'd best be stealthy. A .50 makes an awful big hole coming out.
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The museum of Flight at Boeing Field in Seattle, WA is one of the best in the country. They have a Concorde, a 707 Air Force One, B-47, A-12 (SR-71), and several warbirds from the WW2 era, notably a pristine F4U4 (Goodyear built F2G-1) that is in flight ready condition. This plane was recovered from the bottom of Lake Washington, after it ditched on approach to Sand Point N.A.S during the war. It was lovingly restored by retired Boeing workers to original factory specs, and is perfect in every detail (down to the correct decals on the 4 bladed prop).
Here's the link:
http://www.museumofflight.org/Collection/Aircraft.asp?RecordKey=6A15B017-325E-4A52-A5D7-C12E95AEC233
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Originally posted by Bodhi
You should really research before you spout off about stuff you do not know.
Ditto.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Better watch it old man, I'll drive to Colorado and burn down your single-wide trailer.
You really want to get PNG'd don't you?
Go on a "manly canoeing trip" and burn off some of that drivel.
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I am sure some may agree that we should stay on topic. If you want to trash talk, take it to the skies.
Have any of you been to Hill, AFB in Utah? They have a very impressive Air Museum.
How do I post images on my threads? If I can figure that out, I can post some images of Hill, AFB Air Museum. I am using Firefox browser and when I tried to use that IMG button, it just does not seem to work.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You really want to get PNG'd don't you?
Go on a "manly canoeing trip" and burn off some of that drivel.
Lol, you're such an internet tough guy. Theres a reason you spend so much of your life on this game.
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Originally posted by AWwrgwy
CV 8
The eighth Hornet (CV-12) was launched 30 August 1943 by the Newport News Shipbuilding & Dry Dock Co., Newport News, Va.; sponsored by Mrs. Frank M. Knox, wife of the Secretary of the Navy; and commissioned 29 November 1943, Captain Miles M. Browning in command.
wrngway
Good try... wrong ship sir.
You're both right.
Oct. 26, 1942 - The Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands resulted in a tactical victory for Japan, but a strategic one for the U.S. in that Japan was unable to dislodge American forces off Guadalcanal. While the Japanese suffer no losses, USS Hornet (CV 8) was sunk. That morning USS Enterprise (CV 6) planes bombed the Japanese carrier Zuiho. Planes from USS Hornet (CV 8) severely damaged the carrier Shokaku, and the cruiser Chikuma. Two other cruisers were also attacked by Hornet aircraft. Meanwhile, Hornet, herself, was fighting off a coordinated dive bombing and torpedo plane attack which left her so severely damaged that she had to be abandoned. Commented one sailor, awaiting rescue, when asked if he planned to re-enlist, "Damn it, yes ... on the new Hornet!" The abandoned Hornet, ablaze from stem to stern, was still afloat after receiving nine torpedoes and more than 400 rounds of 5-inch shellfire from destroyers USS Mustin (DD 413) and USS Anderson (DD 411). The two destroyers had to retire from the scene upon the arrival Japanese destroyers. The Japanese administered the coup de grāce to Hornet by firing four 24-inch torpedoes at her blazing hull, sending her to the bottom at 0135, 27 Oct. 1942, off the Santa Cruz Islands.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Lol, you're such an internet tough guy. Theres a reason you spend so much of your life on this game.
You're the one that typed:
Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Better watch it old man, I'll drive to Colorado and burn down your single-wide trailer.
Not me. Nice deflection attempt though.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Better watch it old man, I'll drive to Colorado and burn down your single-wide trailer.
(http://www.prometheus6.org/images/toughguy1.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Bwahahahaa!!!! Sweet!!!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I have some pictures of an La7 I took in Nizhny Novgorod last fall. Boatloads of T34s all around, too. A couple there, a couple more in Cheboksary. I don't have any good shots of the Il-2 in Samara, but that's only because getting to it is more dangerous than flying one in the war, so I'm stuck with out the window shots.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Better watch it old man, I'll drive to Colorado and burn down your single-wide trailer.
Well i dont think that it makes you cool or the "bigger man" to do that squeaker.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Lol, you're such an internet tough guy. Theres a reason you spend so much of your life on this game.
Then y u talkin to him?? U think u so cool cause u can say u will do stuff, do it then. loser
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I sure wish there was a squelch command for BBS. Great topic taken over by a bunch of noobs, oops, BOOBS.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by aenigma
I sure wish there was a squelch command for BBS. Great topic taken over by a bunch of noobs, oops, BOOBS.
:rolleyes:
There is you noob, or is that boob?;)
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Originally posted by aenigma
I sure wish there was a squelch command for BBS. Great topic taken over by a bunch of noobs, oops, BOOBS.
:rolleyes:
It's called the "ignore" feature. Check it out on your User CP panel.
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Just tought I'd put this up there for those that like to see the actual birds up close. For those travelling to the San Diego area, your first stop should be the Midway Museum (CVA-41) located in downtown San Diego. Lots of static displays of modern jet aircraft, plus the bonus of a TBM and an SBD in the Hangar Bay. There are also simulators in the Hangar as well (They're a hoot!)
While your in San Diego, visit the Air Museum at Balboa Park. They have a very large selection of WWI and WWII aircraft, Including a PBY, F4F, and P-40. This is an indoor museum.
For those closer to Los Angeles, head to March Field, off Interstate 215 just south of Riverside, CA. They have a B-25J, B-17G, P-38J, P-39Q, PBM, and a P-59 as well as a lot of cold war era and modern aircraft. This is well worth the trip.
Finally a note on the B-25. Did you know that army bombers have been flown from Navy Carriers 3 times? The first of course is the Doolittle Raid on 12 April 1942. However, the next two time were 12 April 1992 (50th Anniversary flight) and the last was for the filming of the movie Pearl Harbor.
I had the priveledge of being a crewmember of USS Ranger (CV-61), back in 1992. 2 B-25's, 'Heavenly Body" and "Executive Suite" were craned on board the flight deck of the Ranger on the 11th, and launched from the deck under their own power on the morning of the 12th off of Point Loma. Both aircraft left the deck about half way down the deck.
As for the filming of the movie Pearl Harbor, I believe it was the same two aircraft and crew for the second launch. Only this time, they took off from USS Constellation (CV-64). It was big news in the Navy at the time. I was in Japan stationed on board USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63). Wish i remembered the date the second launch happened!
Actully the best place to see WW2 aircraft is at the Chino air show in California. This yaer it's May 16-17. It's the best flying ww2 air show in the world. I have seen 5 P-47's all flying there one year, 4 P-38's another another year not to mention about 6 different Spits and couple of Hurri's all the Navy planes some 2 or 3 of the same kinds many B-25's a B-17 Migs, F-86 and they have 2 Japanese Zeros, one is the only original powered Zero in the world. The also have a real Sherman tank along with American, British, Russian, German and Japanese reenactors who actually had a couple of German jeeps and a German halftrack. They fly everything and also included in the admission price is a tour through their muesum. They have a He162, Me 163, a nattar ( german manned rocket) a Japanese Jack fighter all perfectly restored. They also have a Japanese Betty bomber wreck in jungle setting to simulate Yamamoto's downed bomber. There is so much more almost worth a trip out from the east coast.
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Yep, Planes of Fame in Chino, CA is very good and definitely worth checking out if you are in the LA area.
I also very much like the Museum of Flight in Seattle -- also an impressive lineup of WWII aircraft (in addition to other aircraft, including of WWI). I like the book store there, too.