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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: WWhiskey on January 30, 2008, 09:48:39 AM
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YAK-3
i was just wandering if it was on the list! i remember it was voted on and i thought it got third place, behid the B-25 and the P-39
4848 were built during the war and it was one of the best fighter's the russians had!
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Yak 3 would be quite the good plane.
Like a more capable Yak 9U - would not attract the masses though because it would retain a "light" armament before the 3P which we wouldn't get unless it was a "perked loadout". This is early-mid 1944 aircraft in service and was substantially produced.
I'd like Yak 3, Yak 1B (late) and a redo of the current 9T and 9U interiors all done in one pass.
(http://www.warbirdsoverwanaka.co.nz/images/2006_yak3.jpg)
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Does anyone have a detailed performance chart for the 3?
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HE-111
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Originally posted by Gabriel
Yak 3 would be quite the good plane.
Like a more capable Yak 9U - would not attract the masses though because it would retain a "light" armament before the 3P which we wouldn't get unless it was a "perked loadout". This is early-mid 1944 aircraft in service and was substantially produced.
I'd like Yak 3, Yak 1B (late) and a redo of the current 9T and 9U interiors all done in one pass.
(http://www.warbirdsoverwanaka.co.nz/images/2006_yak3.jpg)
I still think we are missing gvs. But a new yak would be a nice plane, when i think of it, there arent many "Russian built" planes in the game, alot of planes with the red star are american.
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it would be good as an LA-7 hunter, if nothing else
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Originally posted by angelsandair
I still think we are missing gvs. But a new yak would be a nice plane, when i think of it, there arent many "Russian built" planes in the game, alot of planes with the red star are american.
GVs are just a sideshow. We just got the Sherman. No more bloody GVs until the planeset is padded out a bit more.
:lol
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Originally posted by WWhiskey
it would be good as an LA-7 hunter, if nothing else
And as a Dora killer.
ack-ack
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just thought i would remind any one who cares , this one is still on my list atleast!!! :salute
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La-7 and Fw190D-9 would be no more threatened by a Yak-3 than they are by the Spitfire Mk VIII. The fast Yak-3 with the VK-107 engine was post war. Wartime Yak-3s had the VK-105 and subsequently much lower performance.
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And as a Dora killer.
ack-ack
La7 and Dora's? Yak-9U eats them up as it is. Yak-3 would have to be a perk ride. :D
Forget the Yak-3 just update the 9's to AH2 level, then look at the 3 after that. Of course if this can all be done at once like someone else mentioned then great! :aok
<S>...-Gixer
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If i remember the list went. Im not sure if the way was in 4th or 5th. Im positive on the first three.
B25
P39
HE-111
A26
Yak-3
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...and a redo of the current 9T and 9U interiors all done in one pass.
This would rejuvinate my AH addiction. :cool:
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If i remember the list went. Im not sure if the way was in 4th or 5th. Im positive on the first three.
B25
P39
HE-111
A26
Yak-3
Yes and who are the idiots that wanted the P39? An obvious candidate for hanger queen if ever I saw one. Did anyone actually think about what the aircraft would be like.. Perf,visibility etc before voting for it?
<S>...-Gixer
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The P39 is a great fighter and a fun aircraft to fly. Not many people fly it though... I'm not sure why. Then again, a comparatively small amount of people fly the Yak compared to the La5/7, Spit, 51, 109 etc even though its close in performance. On the couple occasions I took it up in the DA I did really well with it. Not to mention it fills tons of scenario gaps, in both the American and Soviet sets.
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P-39 Fills a huge gap in Early and Mid war, AvA, and FSO. Aces High 2 isn't just about you and your Late War Enviroments.
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P-39 Fills a huge gap in Early and Mid war, AvA, and FSO. Aces High 2 isn't just about you and your Late War Enviroments.
Well unfortunately the game is all about late war arenas. Anything else is a side show, Early and Mid your lucky to see more then 25 people on so that's a non event. FSO one off events for squads. P39 is a hanger queen, was always going to be. I don't mind taking any high eny plane up in late war arena, but the 39 is wrecked by it's non existent rear view. A plane that's likely to get picked on from every direction you at least need excellent visibility for increased SA to make up for it's lack of performance in other areas.
<S>...-Gixer
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FSO is huge dude. I love the P-39, it does it's part in filling a gap in Early, Mid, AvA.... and NO Aces High isn't about the Late War arenas, because that's all we would see instead of Early, Mid AvA arenas. The point of the game is the whole of World War 2, not the late part of it. Mid-war used to attract alot of players IIRC. Before we were "blessed" with 2 Late War arenas.
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This game is FSO/scenarios. The rest of it is practice.
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This game is FSO/scenarios. The rest of it is practice.
Really? Then why doesn't the entire MA empty when the big game is on?
<S>...-Gixer
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FSO is huge dude. I love the P-39, it does it's part in filling a gap in Early, Mid, AvA.... and NO Aces High isn't about the Late War arenas, because that's all we would see instead of Early, Mid AvA arenas. The point of the game is the whole of World War 2, not the late part of it. Mid-war used to attract alot of players IIRC. Before we were "blessed" with 2 Late War arenas.
Early and Mid are just somewhere to fly with more safety. You don't like to go up against late war fighters with your high eny plane. Personally I prefer nothing more then shooting down top tier and perk rides with a Yak T, anything else just seems a bit too easy.
<S>...-Gixer
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This game is FSO/scenarios. The rest of it is practice.
Dantoo I didn't know you had a shade account ! I do agree and I can't wait for the euro time FSO.
I'm in for the Yak3 also, but I thought it was faster than the Yak9u, am I mistaken ?
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faster,smaller,same armarment
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Well unfortunately the game is all about late war arenas. Anything else is a side show, Early and Mid your lucky to see more then 25 people on so that's a non event. FSO one off events for squads. P39 is a hanger queen, was always going to be. I don't mind taking any high eny plane up in late war arena, but the 39 is wrecked by it's non existent rear view. A plane that's likely to get picked on from every direction you at least need excellent visibility for increased SA to make up for it's lack of performance in other areas.
<S>...-Gixer
With all due respect Gixer, the 39 is no where near the hanger queen you describe. Like any of the aircraft in this game it takes time to get a bit of a following behind them. Several pilots love her and several squads use her regularly in missions and fighter sweeps. Check out my post in the general discussion forum. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,237518.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,237518.0.html)
If visibility to the rear is a deciding factor for new planes, we might as well dump just about every American carrier plane we have in the inventory. You factor the good points with the bad, and it really is a great little plane in it's performance envelope. Also of note is the B25. It was being called a hanger queen almost immediately upon it's introduction, now it is not at all uncommon to see them performing their role and performing it well in the LWA's.
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the P39D is in this upcoming FSO tonight. With out that we would only have the F4F as a fighter. And it dose fill a gap in EW more then MW.
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faster,smaller,same armarment
AFAIK Yak-3 isn't faster than Yak-9U. The latter has VK-107 while WWII Yak-3 has VK-105. I don't have access to any primary source material right now but I just don't see how it could be faster considering there is roughly 200hp difference in power. Allthough Yak-3 does have ~2,5 sq m smaller wing area. Wikipedia lists 417mph at altitude for the Yak-9U (which is in agreement with AH Yak-9U) and Yak-3 at 401mph. I would suspect that the difference on the deck is similar or smaller than 16mph. But I really don't see how Yak-3 could really be faster than Yak-9U. The wing loadings and power loadings are also very close to each other. So I really don't see what Yak-3 would bring to the table that Yak-9U doesn't have already. Not that I have anything against it's inclusion either...
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The Yak-3 was a significantly better performer than the Yak -9 in Fighter Ace 1.5, 2.0 & 2.5 as well as in WarBirds.
Though my experience is somewhat limited, I would say that it would be a great addition to Aces High.
According to Wilkipedia it entered service in 1944.
QRS
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Yes and who are the idiots that wanted the P39? An obvious candidate for hanger queen if ever I saw one. Did anyone actually think about what the aircraft would be like.. Perf,visibility etc before voting for it?
<S>...-Gixer
Well unfortunately the game is all about late war arenas. Anything else is a side show, Early and Mid your lucky to see more then 25 people on so that's a non event. FSO one off events for squads. P39 is a hanger queen, was always going to be. I don't mind taking any high eny plane up in late war arena, but the 39 is wrecked by it's non existent rear view. A plane that's likely to get picked on from every direction you at least need excellent visibility for increased SA to make up for it's lack of performance in other areas.
<S>...-Gixer
Early and Mid are just somewhere to fly with more safety. You don't like to go up against late war fighters with your high eny plane. Personally I prefer nothing more then shooting down top tier and perk rides with a Yak T, anything else just seems a bit too easy.
<S>...-Gixer
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Gixer, you really slay me. You complain that they added a hanger queen, but by your own admission your favorite ride is also a hanger queen.
We usually have to wait for the Snailusche to get stats, but I couldn't resist . . .
We do not have access to total sorties or time in flight data, but we do have access to total kills and deaths, which can be used as an approximation of use.
Late war arena, tour 100 (i.e. the May 2008 tour just completed)
Ride Kills Deaths Total(use) %use
P-39Q 1507 2270 3777 0.26%
Yak9T 1696 1560 3223 0.22%
So what kind of idiot ever wanted the Yak 9T added?
Oh, and since you said it was your primary ride, I looked your stats up . . . and :eek: you make up about 15% of the Yak 9T's total use. :O
Ride Kills Deaths Total(use) %use
P-39Q 1507 2270 3777 0.26%
Gixer9T 383 107 490 0.03%
Other9T 1280 1453 2733 0.19%
If you use the P-39Q's usage in the late war arena as the standard at which all other planes are teh suk and should never have been added, here are the other planes that should never have been added (in descending order of usage):
P-40E
Ki-61
109G-2
190F-8
M-16
Jeep
Yak9-T
B-25C
P-47-D11
109F-4
Spit XIV
Hurri I
Chute (2326 kills to zero deaths :rofl)
P-38G
Ki-67
Hurri 2D
Spit I
P-39D
JU-87
SBD-5
P-40B
Boston
F4F-4
Gunner (549 kills, 651 deaths :huh)
SdKfz 251
B5N2 (Yes, the plane with no forward firing gun)
Ar 234
110C-4b
109E-4
C202
D3A1
ME-163b
Total "usage" of planes designated as "hanger queens" in the LWA is almost exactly 5%. One of every 20 kills or deaths is by someone having fun with one of these "hanger queen" rides.
And if I wanted to be cute and add the 39Q and 39D together to get a total 39 use of .38%, then other "hanger queens" that would make the list are:
LVTa2
TBM-3
262
109G-6
F4U-1
F4U-4
LA-5
A6M2
Ta-152
P-47-D25
These make up another 3.3% of "use", bringing total hanger queens to 8.3% of all kills and deaths. That is fairly substantial in my book.
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E25280,
I accept the point that your making, and impressed that you took the time to go over the stats for your argument. :aok
Plus Yak T stats are interesting as I've never looked at them before.
Anyway couple points though.
1. Yak T has been in the plane set since the very first days of AH, the subject is about new rides being added after being asked for by the community and then ending up as hanger queens. My main gripe is that people are asking for new planes,buffs,gv's taking time away from the more important task of updating the old set which is left wanting and seriously needs upgrading to AH2 levels. How many years is it now since AH2 as they slowly grind through the plane set at a snails pace doing the upgrades. You can have any plane,buff,gv you want just finish the upgrades first.
2. People over look the yaks because they wrongly think it doesn't have enough ammo to make up for their poor gunnery, which it doesn't so you actually have to take your time and learn to shoot. Then if they do look at Yaks they immediately go for the U and think of the T as an attack plane for base defence killing soft skin GV's. No idea why as I prefer it overall compared to the U especially just for it's armament. So I guess that must make me some kind of freak... :lol
3. From your own stats as they are descending order of usage, you prove that the P39 is a hanger queen, it's the latest aircraft that everyone voted for and it's already down there with the Spit I and gets less kills then chutes. Now imho if everyone is voting for a new plane to be added and vote for it, why aren't they flying it? Except for whats been mentioned about FSO and early arenas, which over a month is a tiny amount of usage.
Lastly don't ever compare perk rides in a list of "real" aircraft! It's insulting to those of us that actually have the skill and balls to take these planes up in the LW and do well in them. Compared to those that lack either and have to use perk rides to make up for it. :D
Good post though enjoyed reading it. :salute
<S>...-Gixer
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YAK-3
i was just wandering if it was on the list! i remember it was voted on and i thought it got third place, behid the B-25 and the P-39
4848 were built during the war and it was one of the best fighter's the russians had!
The A-26 was in 3rd place...still hoping we get it. :rock
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The P-39s are stellar.
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For those arguing about what the Yak-3 would bring to the table compared to the Yak-9. It's a different aircraft.
Yak-1 & 3 are regarding as "lightweights" the Yak-7's and 9's are regarded as "heavies"
Looking at the history of Yak design, one has to take these two different familes into consideration. The Yak-3 was the utimate development of the Yak-1. The Yak-7/9 came into being from a rather desperate need in 1942 for aircraft.
Yak-1 was designed as a light weight fighter from the start and the Yak-3 is the evolution of this design. With a new smaller wing design,mixed construction giving it excellent performance at low and med altitudes. Thus completing the Yak-1 family.
Now similar to the Yak-1/3 family major design change came with the Yak-9 in 1944 with the Yak-9U and finally the all metal Yak-9P these aircraft had increased performance by the use of the more powerful VK-107 engine.
The Yak-3 is smaller,lighter and while having the less powerful VK-105 series engines compared to the VK-107 Yak-9U/P is still the more superior of the Yak family given it's from the original plane design for a new light weight fighter.
<S>...-Gixer
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Just about every late war monster there was is already represented in some fashion. Any plane added from this point forward will be a "hanger queen" vs. the better known P-51s, Spitfires, etc. This doesn't make any of the requested rides "less worthy" than what we already have IMO.
When you consider we have 94 total rides to choose from (excluding the chute ;)), and the fact the most used airplane (in May it was the Spixteen) has only 5.1% of "total use" (and how many complaints do you see that it is "overused"?), then I am curious what level of "use" would be worthy of inclusion in your opinion? In other words, if everyone says they want plane X, what level of use would plane X need to have for it to have been "worth it" and not a waste of time?
I do agree with your point that there are many planes in the existing set in need of update, but I disagree that updating the "eye candy" is more important than new airframes. But priorities are always matters of opinion, and obviously ours will continue to differ.
Regarding all the chute kills, it would be nice if the proxy kill you get after bailing was counted toward the plane you were just in rather than "chute", but one could just as easily assume they will be distributed roughly equal to overall "usage" and therefore the numbers wouldn't move.
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Just about every late war monster there was is already represented in some fashion. Any plane added from this point forward will be a "hanger queen" vs. the better known P-51s, Spitfires, etc. This doesn't make any of the requested rides "less worthy" than what we already have IMO. ..
For the MA maybe, but for FSO and other Events we could use quite a few more to choose from.
FSO is getting quite popular, 500+ players. Some people keep their account active just for these type of events.
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I'm fast becoming a Yak- 9 T (for Tater :lol ) fan
That 37mm is pretty good, most planes are a one hit kill job once you resist the urge to hammer away at them.
The key (thanks Gixer :aok ) is to hold off until you're so close you cannot possibly miss, then just tap the pickle button ONCE and their plane disintegrates around them :lol
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I'm fast becoming a Yak- 9 T (for Tater :lol ) fan
That 37mm is pretty good, most planes are a one hit kill job once you resist the urge to hammer away at them.
The key (thanks Gixer :aok ) is to hold off until you're so close you cannot possibly miss, then just tap the pickle button ONCE and their plane disintegrates around them :lol
like it alot as well!!! my best advice with it is when the windscreen is full of bad guy's plane,,, pull the triger :aok
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Yak-3 all the way.
Gives us yak dweebs a little bit more depth. Also opens up some snapshots and FSO's to some variety.
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Hmmm...possibly a good idea.
Another possibility: Instead of another Russian uber-fighter, how about some Russian unter-fighters?
I-16, I-153, MiG perhaps?
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I would love a Yak 1, Yak 7, and Yak 3. The Russian front is my favorite front and the Russian side of the equation is rather thin.
To that point, honestly, there are only two planes I don't think we should have based on (bad) performance; the Swordfish and the MiG 3. The MiG 3 was moderately fast but very un-maneuverable, and it had a light gun package (2 .30 cal ShKAS and a .50 cal). It was a sexy bird, that's for sure, and Pokryshkin liked it, but it was a dog. An I-153 or I-16 would be a much better choice (coupled with the Yak 1). I think the Zeke would be overturned as the best turning plane in the game, by the 153 for sure.
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This game is FSO/scenarios. The rest of it is practice.
Yes.
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For those arguing about what the Yak-3 would bring to the table compared to the Yak-9. It's a different aircraft.
Yak-1 & 3 are regarding as "lightweights" the Yak-7's and 9's are regarded as "heavies"
I'm aware of the development history of these fighters. I know they were essentially different designs. But like I said, their power to weight ratios and wing loadings are very close to each other and that AFAIK Yak-3 is slower than Yak-9U.
The Yak-3 is smaller,lighter and while having the less powerful VK-105 series engines compared to the VK-107 Yak-9U/P is still the more superior of the Yak family given it's from the original plane design for a new light weight fighter.
You keep saying that Yak-3 is smaller and lighter, it is. But it also has smaller wing area and less power. Gixer, have you actually compared the key figures of these planes? HTC can't model planes based on how they are described in a subjective manner. HTC has to use actual facts and figures to make a flight model. Words like "agile" are vague and won't really provide any usable information flight model wise. Yak-9U maybe isn't as famous as the Yak-3 but that doesn't necessarily make it any worse than Yak-3 either. My guess is that Yak-3 is more famous because its totally new designation compared to Yak-9U which gives the impression of being a subvariant.
Here are the figures I've used. Weights vary a bit between different sources but they are still usually very close to these figures:
Yak-3:
Power: 1290hp
Weight: 2692kg
Wing area: 14,85 m²
Yak-9U:
Power: 1650hp
Weight: 3198kg (HTC)
Wing area: 17.2 m²
Power to weight:
Yak-3: 2,09 kg/hp
Yak-9U: 1,94 kg/hp
Wingloading:
Yak-3: 181 kg/m²
Yak-9U: 186 kg/m²
Considering their overall similar geometry and airfoils I just can't see how Yak-3 could be radically more agile, better and so on. Yak-9U is faster which OTOH weights a lot in combat...
Yak-1b for example would add a lot more depth to the VVS-planeset than Yak-3 ever will.
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HTC can't model planes based on how they are described in a subjective manner. HTC has to use actual facts and figures to make a flight model. Words like "agile" are vague and won't really provide any usable information flight model wise.
Key figures? I wasn't researching to provide HTC data for building the frig'n model! Hence the description in a subjective manner.
Not sure how you can come to such a certain conclusion that the Yak-3 wasn't more agile just based on some figures you googled out of wiki. When every historical source say that the Yak-3 was one of the lightest and nimblest fighters of WWII. Engine power isn't everything and the Yak-3 would certainly out climb,out roll and out maneuver the bigger and heavier Yak-9U. Even the Yak-1 was preferred by some top aces to the late model Yak-9s simply because it was more agile, now imagine what they thought when they were handed the Yak-3.
Now your point of interest regarding adding the Yak-1 instead. Yes, but I'd still rather see the Yak-3 simply because it's the evolution of the Yak-1 just like the 9u is of it's series.
<S>...-Gixer
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since we have the 9-T and the 9-U why not do the 1 and the 3 and make it a full set??
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When every historical source say that the Yak-3 was one of the lightest and nimblest fighters of WWII.
<sigh> Well, let me quote myself...
HTC can't model planes based on how they are described in a subjective manner. HTC has to use actual facts and figures to make a flight model. Words like "agile" are vague and won't really provide any usable information flight model wise.
One of the nimblest fighters? So what does that mean? How do you define nimble? When you type "nimble" into HTC's FM-code you come up with Yak-3's flight model? :D Is Yak-3 more or less "nimble" than, say I-16? What about the Gloster Gladiator? Yak-3 certainly outruns and out rolls it but it won't out turn the Gladiator, so which is more "nimble"?
There are many accounts about Yak-3's agility but they usually compare it with the German fighters, not with the plane we are comparing it here (Yak-9U). You seem to rather ignore some of the most elemental parameters defining aircraft performance and go with the "historical sources" just because "they said so" without really giving much thought to what actually makes an aircraft to perform the way it does.
Well, if your mind is already made up don't let silly things like physics get in the way. :)
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Engine power isn't everything and the Yak-3 would certainly out climb,out roll and out maneuver the bigger and heavier Yak-9U.
It isn't the power and weight alone, but their relation with each other. Climb rate depends largely on the power loading and they are very close to each other with Yak-9U having a slight edge.
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OK the variance between the Yaks depends upon exactly which model you take for comparison.
Full Name: Yakovlev Yak-1 and Yak-3
Variants: Yak-1M and -3
Type: Single-seat fighter
Country of Origin: USSR
Manufacturer: Yakovlev
First Flight: (Yak-1M) 1942; (Yak-3) Spring 1943
Engine(s): (Yak-1M) one 1,260 hp Klimov VK-105PF vee-12 liquid-cooled; (Yak-3) 1,225 hp VK-105PF-2; (final series) 1,650 hp VK-107A
Wingspan: 30 ft 2.25 in (9.20 m)
Length: 27 ft 10.25 in (8.50 m)
Height: 7 ft 10 in (2.39 m)
Weights: Empty: (VK-105) 4,960 lb (2,250 kg); Loaded: (VK-105) 5,864 lb (2,660 kg)
Maximum Speed: (VK-105) 404 mph (650 km/h); (VK-107) 447 mph (720 km/h)
Initial Climb: (VK-105) 4,265 ft (1,300 m)/min
Service Ceiling: (VK-105) 35,450 ft (10,800 m)
Range: (VK-105) 506 miles (815 km
Armament: One 20 mm ShVAK, with 120 rounds, and two 0.5 in (12.7 mm) UBS machine guns, each with 250 rounds
As you can see the later models were equipped with the same 1600HP Klimov as the Yak-9's.
It's interesting to note that the Yak 3 was actually developed after the Yak-9 series, the 9 being a descendant of the 7 series tandem trainer which was developed as a result of research into a heavy fighter variant which was actually first produced as the Yakovlev I-27 in 1939 and presented alongside the I-26 in 1940 as the UTI26. Yakovlev actually presented FOUR aircraft prototypes to Stalin at the same time including the I-26, UTI-26 (I-27), I-28, and I-30.
Another side point is that the Yak-9U was also equipped with hardpoints for two bombs of 100kg each, something our U's cannot do.
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I think I laid out the data that I used for the comparison pretty clearly.
As you can see the later models were equipped with the same 1600HP Klimov as the Yak-9's.
It has been mentioned (in this thread) that the VK-107 engined Yak-3U was a post war plane.
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The VK107 Yak 3 was produced in 1945 though the records for serial production of the Yak 3 show production starting in 1944 continuing through to 1946 with no reference to the actual variants.
It's worth noting that I am currently attempting to build accurate 3D models of the Yaks 9 and 3 and If anyone has some information I would be eternally grateful.
I am missing some critical wing data such as accurate chord and washout (I have approximate chord for both root and tip, but I'd like something harder).
I am currently waiting on some professional cutaways to arrive in the mail, but I may not get the data I need from them either.
I'm also waiting on a reply from the factory, but I'm not sure if they will be willing to supply the data I require. I will contact them again regarding this issue and see if they will be willing to supply me with some more concrete information regarding the evolution of the series. :aok
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The VK107 Yak 3 was produced in 1945 though the records for serial production of the Yak 3 show production starting in 1944 continuing through to 1946 with no reference to the actual variants.
I noticed there actually is a mention about VK-107 engined Yak-3's use in the WWII:
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/yak3/yak3vk107/yak3vk107.html (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/yak3/yak3vk107/yak3vk107.html)
About operative use during the Great Patrioctic War: the book "porsev'ye istrebitel YAK 1941-1945" shows a profile about an operative Yak-3 VK-107A. Yellow 32 was the personal aircraft of Pavel Petrovic Karavay from March 1945 till Oct. 1946. He was the commander of 897 IAP. Karavay and some other pilots went to Zavod no.31 at Tbilisi for planes and they found some new models of Yak fighters.
They took possession of them and brought to the unit by evading the usual procedures. Karavay used the plane in fights above Hungary. He shot down one Bf-109 on 23.03.1945 above Mór and one more above lake Balaton on 22.04.1945 while flying this machine.
So they went and took the planes without a permission. :D Hard to say how many of them actually saw action etc. Hardly Aces High -material IMO.
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Pyro briefly introduced each plane that was up for the last public vote, and IIRC he qualified the Yak3 as a "small sports car", or something like that.. Hearing from the authors of the AH model (supposing they had done some BOE calculations) ought to point towards what the FM would be like, and what the plane would bring to the planeset. His exact comment/description is somewhere in one of the threads about that vote.
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Here's that quote from pyro:
Yak 3 – I put this in here because I don’t believe we can make this as a Yak 9 variant. Although it looks the same, its fuselage is dimensionally quite different IIRC. This is a really fun plane. It’s like a little sports car roadster.
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I've had word back from the Yakovlev Design Bureau and they have given me an excellent reference to follow up and they are sending me some detailed drawings via snail mail. :rock
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yak 3 in fa was a stunt plane in every sense.
Used to love going down the runway pulling straight up vertical into an immelmann :)
The ammo/fuel loadout gives it little time to do the killing but it was really fun to fly. I believe it would make the yak series much more popular because it has that turnable edge that you have to squeeze out of the 9u.
Always like watching the yak's at airshows they seem spitfire like in their ease of handling and graceful.
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wondered why this plane wasn't in the game. Luftwaffe issued an order to all thier pilots not to engage a yak without the oil cooler under the nose ;)
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I've had word back from the Yakovlev Design Bureau and they have given me an excellent reference to follow up and they are sending me some detailed drawings via snail mail. :rock
NICE :aok