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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Urchin on February 13, 2008, 06:32:32 PM
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Well... it worked for the flakpanzie, for cryin out loud :cry
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lol urchin i vote me410 for sure
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Originally posted by Urchin
Well... it worked for the flakpanzie, for cryin out loud :cry
Yes to most of your list. Not so sure about the 410 though. From what I understand it was built to replace and surpass the 110's in it's capabilities. I do not beleive it ever lived up to the 110's success. Might be a dog. Anyone have info on this subject?
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HE-111?:confused:
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Originally posted by Denholm
HE-111?:confused:
:confused:... he's right...
im with ya lil' buddy
give me the he-111 or ill start crying
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
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Originally posted by Gowan
give me the he-111 or ill start crying
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
I've been told scotch works better. :aok
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Originally posted by Gowan
:confused:... he's right...
im with ya lil' buddy
give me the he-111 or ill start crying
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
1pLUs44 wants He-111
WAAAAA!!!!!!
:cry :cry
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Originally posted by AirFlyer
I've been told scotch works better. :aok
No, a case.
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I've noticed with some consternation there is still no set of pictures up on the front page with these new planes on them :confused:
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Ki-43?
Just saying ....
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The Me 210 was built to replace the 110.....
It was a POS. then they made the 410, fixing all the design flaws of the 210
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Originally posted by ridley1
It was a POS. then they made the 410, fixing all the design flaws of the 210
Nope. They made the flaws "less bad". Me410 would be fun, but hardly the war winner people expect.
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Maybe I should have used the word "addressed" the 210 problems
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They addressed the horrible flight instabilities that the 210 exhibited. They redesigned the wing and that seemed to get rid of most of them. The 210 was more dangerous for the crew than the enemy.
Overall the performance is better than a 110, though, and with far more interesting weapons loadouts! :D
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Bump.
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Yes yes yes yes and yes.
Seriously, if you analyse the Japanese planeset, vs the German one. One of the reasons the JP side always has such problems is that they are missing most of their hvy fighters/attack bombers.
Take away the 110 from a Bob, and perhaps the 190 as well, and what do you have?
The ki-43, 44, 45 are MUST have planes for the JP planeset.
And yes I believe the Me-410 is the next plane on the voted list, so hopeing we get that one as well.
After that, Jp bombers, like the Betty, late war carrier attack planes (that would stand a chance unlike poor val)
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Overall the performance is better than a 110, though, and with far more interesting weapons loadouts! :D
Indeed! The 1 tonne (IIRC) of recoil was said to nothing short of terrifying for the crew. I suspect it would be the same for those on the receiving end too :devil
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the 410 all the way!
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410 would be great for missions with the speed of a mossie and the loadout of a 110. :aok
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Also could the Ki-61 get a redone cockpit?
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And a bottle of sake.
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Definitely yes on the Ki's but we need the Betty to go with the set.
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o you forgot the same weight of bombs as an a-20 with 2 1000kg bombs or 10 50kg bombs
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410 would be great for missions with the speed of a mossie and the loadout of a 110. :aok
Me410 was slower than the Mosquito Mk VI at AH combat alts.
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He-111, then yes fill in the IJA plane set because as it is it is anemic at best.
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Yak-3/7 please.
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Ki-43
Armament
Guns: 2x 12.7-mm synchronized Ho-103 machine guns in the cowl with 250 rounds/gun (400 rpm rate each)
Bombs: 2x 250 kg (550 lb) bombs
Ki-44
Performance
Maximum speed: 376 mph
Cruise speed: 249 mph
Stall speed: 93 mph
Rate of climb: 3,940 ft/min
Armament
4 × 12.7 mm Ho-103 machine guns, two synchronized cowl mounted (perhaps 657 rpm rate each), and one in each wing (900 rpm rate of fire each), 760 rounds in all.
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He-111
Crew: 5
Performance
Maximum speed: 250 mph
Rate of climb: 20 minutes to 17,000 ft
Armament
Guns:
up to seven 7.92 mm MG 15 or MG 81 machine guns, some of them replaced or augmented by
1× 20 mm MG FF cannon (central nose mount or forward ventral position)
1× 13 mm MG 131 machine gun (mounted dorsal and/or ventral rear positions)
Bombs:
up to 2,000 kg (4,409 lb) carried internally (eight 250 kg max), or:
up to 2,500 kg (5,512 lb) on two external racks
Yak-3
Performance
Maximum speed: 401 mph
Range: 405 miles
Rate of Climb: 3,645 ft/min
Armament
1x 20 mm ShVAK cannon
2x 12.7 mm Berezin UBS machine guns
G4M Betty
Crew: 7
Performance
Maximum 270 mph
Range: one way, 2,935 mi
Armament
Guns: 2 × 20mm Type 99 cannon, 4 × 7.7 mm Type 92 machine guns
Bombs: Up to 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) of bombs or single Type 91 torpedo. The heaviest single bomb it can hold is 800 kg.
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Yes yes yes yes and yes.
Seriously, if you analyse the Japanese planeset, vs the German one.
And lets analyse the French plane set.......................... ..
Bring on the D.520
(http://www.flyandrive.com/images/dewoitine_legloan/poster_legloan.jpg)
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Ki-44
Performance
Maximum speed: 376 mph
Cruise speed: 249 mph
Stall speed: 93 mph
Rate of climb: 3,940 ft/min
Armament
4 × 12.7 mm Ho-103 machine guns, two synchronized cowl mounted (perhaps 657 rpm rate each), and one in each wing (900 rpm rate of fire each), 760 rounds in all.
Have to agree with everone else here in that the Japanese plane set has ALWAYS needed beefing up. Needed much more than the ground vehicles we recently received IMHO. When the FRANK came along was a MAJOR improvement but it still needs a few slots filled. Mainly the Mid to late war slots.
Japanese side needs the KI-44 TOJO & KI-45 NICK for the IJAAF and the late war carrier planes like the JUDY Dive Bomber & JILL or GRACE Torpedo Bomber for the IJN. Somewhere along the line the BETTY, JACK & OSCAR wouldn't be missed either I imagine. ;)
BTY..as to the quote above:
The KI-44 TOJO also came in a late version with 4x 20mm cannons or one with 2x 20mm & 2x 37mm cannons.
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Put my vote down for this one..... KI-44 SHOKI (TOJO) :aok
(http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/559/tojopj2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
SPECS: http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJARG/ki44shoki.html
Be nice to have a version in AH where you could switch between the armament packages of the KI-44-III, IIIa & IIIb
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1) Although far rarer than the Ki-44, I believe you IJAAF fans would be quite impressed with the Ki-100 (only 384 built). Although the validity of combat accounts is questionable (a matter of "we said/they said"), the plane was highly regarded by Japanese pilots. Supposedly it could dive with pony's and not worry about shedding parts or energy. It was also described as having superior maneuverability to the F6F.
(http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1770/ki100wd8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
2) As for the Ki-45, Absolutely :aok
I just wish we had need for the recon models of the Ki-46 Dinah in AH. IMO the prettiest plane the Japanese ever built.
(http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8784/ki46wp1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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1) Although far rarer than the Ki-44, I believe you IJAAF fans would be quite impressed with the Ki-100 (only 384 built). Although the validity of combat accounts is questionable (a matter of "we said/they said"), the plane was highly regarded by Japanese pilots. Supposedly it could dive with pony's and not worry about shedding parts or energy. It was also described as having superior maneuverability to the F6F.
The KI-100 wasn't that a great improvement over the KI-61 model we have now. Each had it's trade-offs - the KI-61 was faster but the KI-100 could climb better and had a higher ceiling.
Performance:
Maximum Speed (Ki-61-I): 348 mph (560 km/h)
Maximum Speed (Ki-61-II): 379 mph (610 km/h)
Maximum Speed (Ki-100): 367 mph (590 km/h)
Initial climb (Ki-61): 2,200 ft./min (675 m/min)
Initial climb (Ki-100): 3,280 ft./min (1000 m/min)
Service Ceiling (Ki-61-I): 32,800 ft. (10,000m)
Service Ceiling (Ki-61-II): 36,089 ft. (11,000m)
Service Ceiling (Ki-100): 37,729 ft. (11,500m)
Range (Ki-61): 990-1,100 Miles (1600-1800 km)
Range (Ki-100): 1,243 Miles (2000 km)
The KI-100's main advantage was the better reliability and MAINLY the availability of the Mitsubishi Ha-112 II radial engine which replaced the Kawasaki Ha-140 inline engine of the KI-61 - the production of which was destroyed by B-29 raids on the factory. (A problem not delt with here in AH2). ;) Also, my sources say only 275 pre-built KI-61's were converted to the KI-100 standard.
The KI-100 was not a new built plane - but already built KI-61's that had the Ha-112-II radial engine fitted. It had all the structural problems inherant from the KI-61. Though it was slower, it did prove more manuverable and quicker to cimb as you stated.
MAIN QUESTION it is going to come down to, is do we need another late war Japanese plane when we got the N1K2 GEORGE & KI-84 FRANK or do we need another fighter for the mid to late period like the KI-44 TOJO. Would like to have them all but you only get them one at a time. :aok
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MAIN QUESTION it is going to come down to, is do we need another late war Japanese plane when we got the N1K2 GEORGE & KI-84 FRANK or do we need another fighter for the mid to late period like the KI-44 TOJO. Would like to have them all but you only get them one at a time.
No, particularly if it is a fighter.
Early war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get would be the G4M2 'Betty', Ki-43-II 'Oscar' and Ki-45 'Nick'.
Mid war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get are the Ki-44-II 'Tojo', B6N2 'Jill', D4Y 'Judy', J2M3a 'Jack' and H8K2 'Emily'.
The late war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get are the B7A2 'Grace' and Ki-102 'Randy'.
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The KI-100 wasn't that a great improvement over the KI-61 model we have now. Each had it's trade-offs - the KI-61 was faster but the KI-100 could climb better and had a higher ceiling.
I never claimed the Ki-100 was a new design. It was, however a surprisingly effective "Frankenstein" that the Japanese created wholly by accident when forced to substitute the Ha-112 II for the Ha-140. It's true the Ki-61 did had a slight speed advantage over the KI-100, but in the opinion of JAAF pilots it was the most maneuverable of all the late-war Army fighters. And according to your own data, the Ki-100 has a 50% higher initial climb rate (sustained climb rate for the Ki-100 being ~10% higher).
Perhaps most importantly from an AH perspective, it was extremely easy to fly the Ki-100 effectively. Maybe give us another "noob" ride to hate besides LA's? :)
I just threw out the Ki-100 for discussion because it was a rare bird, and one that a lot of guys had probably never heard of. If we're talking the most logical choice for the next Japanese addition, I say the Ki-45 Hei. :aok
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No, particularly if it is a fighter.
Early war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get would be the G4M2 'Betty', Ki-43-II 'Oscar' and Ki-45 'Nick'.
Mid war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get are the Ki-44-II 'Tojo', B6N2 'Jill', D4Y 'Judy', J2M3a 'Jack' and H8K2 'Emily'.
The late war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get are the B7A2 'Grace' and Ki-102 'Randy'.
I have to agree with Karnak - especially his Mid & Late War lists.
While the KI-45 NICK might be "Neat" to have - it performance and armament package isn't even up to par with the early model ME-110's. Got to remember it won't only be used in the AVA. While a few would use it I imagine it would be a regular Hangar Queen.
Others on Karnak's list would be a lot more useful and get more play.
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Hey Cthulhu,
Maybe we should ask for this version of the Mitsubishi KI-46-III DINAH.
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2503/dinah2tu3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Two forward fireing 20mm cannons with a 37mm fireing in an Oblique configuration. Would give a new twist to 'Bomber Hunting." ;)
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Im ready for the Me410
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Little bump.... hope never dies.
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Keep it bumpin my friend :aok
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A massive IJN/IJAAF update with new planes would be bad arse
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Yes to more axis planes.... Including the HE-111. :D
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I would never object to ANY plane being added to this game.
However, I would like to see the KI-84Ib variant added before any of these others.
Considering the vast array of variants we have on some of the other planes, I don't think it would be too much to ask.
Your Buddy,
Boner
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Japanese have some cool paint jobs
Ki-43
(http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto2/anabuki3.jpg)
KI-44
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJARG/images/ki44-1.jpg)
Ki-45
(http://www.airpages.ru/img/lw/ki45.jpg)
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Ki-45 BIG TIME
JAPAN NEEDS A TWIN ENGINE MEDIUM FIGHTER!!
PERIOD!
Heh, sorry for the caps, i just had to yell this out. :salute
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Ki-45 BIG TIME
JAPAN NEEDS A TWIN ENGINE MEDIUM FIGHTER!!
PERIOD!
Heh, sorry for the caps, i just had to yell this out. :salute
You do realize that it was a POS, right? Even the P-38 was able to easily out turn it.
ack-ack
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ME-410 :aok
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In b4 the patch?
I can't be the only one who thinks the Japanese planeset needs some fleshing out.